I wouldn’t buy a new EV, no chance whatsoever that I’d even consider buying one second hand! My son was given an electric van for work, it died on him the same day with 126 miles on the clock - currently waiting for a new battery!
I wouldn't touch either a new or used EV with the proverbial barge pole. I'd even be wary of a used hybrid. I've done some sums comparing my 2013 1.6 petrol CMAX which averages 38.5mpg in mixed driving with a 2017 RAV4 hybrid with a consumer reported average (honest john real mpg) mpg of 44.0. Over five years, by which time the hybrid battery would be 12 years old, the fuel saving would be just under £1300 - probably half of what a new hybrid battery would cost. Sad to say, but the total cost of ownership is still going to be lowest with either a naturally aspirated petrol or one of the better diesels (DPF, EGR DMF issues notwithstanding). Indeed, a 2018 onwards Dacia Duster 1.5dci would cost me £600 less in fuel per annum compared with my CMAX based on real life mpg.
When I was in the trade the Renault Agent Pulled- out of the Franchise as the tooling to look- After these ":Milk Floats" would have been a Financial disaster ... Pissing in the Wind ...
Just buy a 5 year old Toyota Yaris, Suzuki Swift or Honda Jazz instead of this EV rubbish Zoe and you will never be faced with an £11k repair bill. More EV madness!!
How much is a Zoe worth ? He should have selected one of your choices (there are other good cars available) and then got a friend to accompany him in the friend's car, him in the Zoe, to a cliff, rolled the EV over the edge and got a lift back with his mate ..... and then started enjoying driving again. Trying it on with the insurance would, of course, be fraud and not recommended but simply disposing of the Zoe over the cliff would have taken a weight off of his mind. I imagine that a Zoe with an £11,000 bill hanging over it would be hard to get rid of in any other way.
Will the last person to leave Renault UK please turn the lights off, we are trying to save the Earth after all! Another short sighted marketing disaster for an EV manufacturer. The more stories that emerge like this, the more we, the public will never buy EVs new or second hand! The tech as it stands is not good enough!
I’m 76 & have been driving ICE vehicles for 59 years, 41 of those professionally for a living, & I must admit I could well be considering going electric in the next 10 years…but only an electric mobility scooter!!
Although a family member has one of the more popular EVs , and I have driven it B on occasion, I still think they are rubbish, I’d rather drive my big ICE powered 7 year old Toyota family sedan , other than basic servicing and putting a few spanners on it to fit a tow bar , it hasn’t missed a beat , so expect that trend to continue for years to come , 7 years on it still drives like a beauty. I would not touch an Ev brand new or second hand. Imagine buying a second hand EV and then not many years later having to replace that massively expensive battery, why would anyone do that to themselves ?
Enjoy it while you can because the "evs are bad" gravy train is probably only got about another three years in it. I heard about a petrol car once that cost £20,000 to fix so I wouldn't go near rubbish like that stick to the old good old-fashioned electric.
I wouldn't risk buying a new EV, nevermind a used example. Case in point: my friend has a BMW 330E. Full charge gives a range of approx 130 miles. Add in the repair costs, the battery fires, the cost of making the batteries including transportation, & the lack of charging points (plus cost & time). My BMW 435D GT X-Drive achieves 35 mpg urban, & around the 50 mpg mark on a motorway or similar. It's also £180 to tax & £303 to insure. For a diesel it's very clean & best of all it will do approx 500 miles on a tank. The whole EV / PHEV is a disaster. And the cost of these planet savers is a joke.
No one in their right mind would buy an EV but you’d have to be nucking futs to buy a used one especially a Renault. The electrics on their ice cars are poor (been a victim of those) so buying a fully electric one? Never.
People are so jealous of EV drivers lol. My husband and I bought a 2010 Nissan Leaf last month and we love it. Silent motoring, it hardly costs anything per mile and charging up has allowed us to go for a bite to eat or a few coffees. People have criticised it saying if we use the heater in winter the range will drop to something like 5 miles because our battery is only showing 1 bar when charged. This is utter nonsense. These people are just jealous because they are paying through the nose for petrol.
I bought a used EV and it’s one of the best cars I’ve ever driven. The only car I’d say was marginally better was a 2020 Mercedes S350, but for much less I have a car that rides as smooth and moves as quick. Imagine my surprise when I found the fuel for it comes out of my f’kin wall. And it’s more than 10 times cheaper than petrol. Amazing.
Can anyone explain how a minor component malfunctioning on an otherwise useable car making that car uneconomical to keep, and hence written off, is good for the environment. How does the prospective over production of these cars needed to fill that gap of premature scrapping suggest that this is good for the environment? It’s a total joke. Even if your EV made it to 12 years old and needs a new set of batteries and is scrapped then. Many people have internal combustion engine cars that are well over 12 years old and totally serviceable.
the heat pump is used to cool and heat the battery. the heat pump failure is a common fault on the zoe. renault couldnt do my heat pump, i used a local HEVRA speciailist and they repiared the problem and a lot less cost.
It’s interesting how you have framed the question, because you have highlighted a major problem experienced by one owner of an EV. Example; only recently when my car was being serviced by my local garage. The owner told me that they had a car that wasn’t even 2 years old and it had never been serviced. This was a non-EV car by the way. The owner of the car never thought to have it serviced and only bought it into the garage because the display was lighting up like a Christmas tree. So the real question is would you buy an EV if there is a complete service record?
@thecentralscrutinizer1758 last over 200k.... Thats nothing.... When You get near 3 million miles.... That will be something...... Volvo P1800..... Google that
I was previously looking at a hybrid however I was told that if there is a problem with the battery or it’s system the car wouldn’t move because the ECU would stop the IC engine from starting to protect the battery system etc to prevent any potential damage . So a no go !
I had one of the first Zoe’s over 10 years ago. It spent 3 months in a dealership whilst they worked out a ˋDanger. Do not drive. High voltage“ error. Now drive a BMW i3 range extender which has not missed a beat. I do love the drive of an EV, as well as an Alfa Busso 3.6 mind. Not good PR for Renault but not for VW with Diesel gate or Ford leaving customers with a dud engine due to their wet belt ecoboost scandal.
Never will I buy a second hand EV. All they're going to be are expensive drive ornaments. Completely unusable, as the video describes, even within warranty.
We own 2 EVs (ID3 and Ioniq 5) which are over 2 years old and have around 30k and 40k km on the clock. I'd buy those 2nd hand any day. They are just great. I think there are a few older models I would just not get anymore like the Zoe or an old Kona or so. But I think the cars from 2020 on like the ID3 will be great used cars. We're just not yet in the used car market that offers those.
@@brucemitchell5637 why would I want to resell them now? I'll keep them for a few years and then we'll see. While owning them the costs are very low and that'll make up for depreciation. My electricity comes from my roof so 🤷♂️
No way l have never replaced a heater core an air-conditioning compressor the ones that had air-conditioning in all the vehicles l have owned and my 1997 Toyota Hilux has its original compressor and the air conditioning and heating work why did this happen well Toyota build there vehicles really well better than a lot of other manufacturers and that is why they are number one in Australia
I would love to be able to afford to buy a used EV, preferably one like the Zoe or Leaf. I am keen to try a conversion for an old vintage car, so one with a broken heater would be ideal. I'd need to learn a lot for the wiring first of course and get pals to help with manufacturing brackets etc.
Im not familiar on Renault zoe heating circuit, even if it uses a heat pump for heating cooling, why was it necessary to remove the battery. The refrigerant circuit is a closed system. and has no direct connection to battery. Can any one from Renault explain what I'm missing.
I'd not buy a second-hand EV; it'd be like buying a second-hand dinner. 🤢 I can only afford to ride a bike these days [£130 from Halfords]; my sophisticated HVAC [heating, ventilation, air-conditioning] 'solution' consists of the buttons on the neck of my blouse. Cold, wet weather: fasten both buttons. Cold weather: undo top button. Warmer weather: undo both. The warmer weather option doesn't get much use here in the gloomy north of England, which is probably just as well; you don't know the true meaning of 'panic' till you've had a wasp disappear into your cleavage.😲 Ask me how I know...
Many petrol or diesel cars are also written off due to uneconomic repairs. Most EV haters are too poor to afford one - judging by the comments here. EVs will soon be cheaper than dinosaur cars then you will learn. (Note: you do need to be a competent planner to own an EV - if your phone keeps running out of charge, please dont buy an EV as you sob story will make me laugh too much.)
Never been convinced of EVs, they are going to flop and people are going to be stuck with them. I love seeing these stuck up pretentious people who think they are better than everyone else because they have an EV or specifically a Tesla. I am a petrol head, i always will be and i wont ever by buying an EV i would rather Cycle! and i dont cycle right now!.
I wouldn’t buy a new EV, no chance whatsoever that I’d even consider buying one second hand! My son was given an electric van for work, it died on him the same day with 126 miles on the clock - currently waiting for a new battery!
I wouldn't touch either a new or used EV with the proverbial barge pole. I'd even be wary of a used hybrid. I've done some sums comparing my 2013 1.6 petrol CMAX which averages 38.5mpg in mixed driving with a 2017 RAV4 hybrid with a consumer reported average (honest john real mpg) mpg of 44.0. Over five years, by which time the hybrid battery would be 12 years old, the fuel saving would be just under £1300 - probably half of what a new hybrid battery would cost. Sad to say, but the total cost of ownership is still going to be lowest with either a naturally aspirated petrol or one of the better diesels (DPF, EGR DMF issues notwithstanding). Indeed, a 2018 onwards Dacia Duster 1.5dci would cost me £600 less in fuel per annum compared with my CMAX based on real life mpg.
I would rather walk than buy an EV 🚙💣..they are terrible 😂😂
This is scandalous! Where the bloody heck is trading standards!!!
When I was in the trade the Renault Agent Pulled- out of the Franchise as the tooling to look- After these ":Milk Floats" would have been a Financial disaster ...
Pissing in the Wind ...
Just buy a 5 year old Toyota Yaris, Suzuki Swift or Honda Jazz instead of this EV rubbish Zoe and you will never be faced with an £11k repair bill. More EV madness!!
How much is a Zoe worth ? He should have selected one of your choices (there are other good cars available) and then got a friend to accompany him in the friend's car, him in the Zoe, to a cliff, rolled the EV over the edge and got a lift back with his mate ..... and then started enjoying driving again. Trying it on with the insurance would, of course, be fraud and not recommended but simply disposing of the Zoe over the cliff would have taken a weight off of his mind. I imagine that a Zoe with an £11,000 bill hanging over it would be hard to get rid of in any other way.
Will the last person to leave Renault UK please turn the lights off, we are trying to save the Earth after all! Another short sighted marketing disaster for an EV manufacturer. The more stories that emerge like this, the more we, the public will never buy EVs new or second hand! The tech as it stands is not good enough!
Not gonna buy an EV for at least ten years. Wait for that promised new battery tech to appear. DOH!
Don't hold your breath lol
They have been making batteries for over a 150 years
Still haven't changed much
They are promised every year, never mind Rodney, next year we will all have million mile range batteries on a single charge.
I’m 76 & have been driving ICE vehicles for 59 years, 41 of those professionally for a living, & I must admit I could well be considering going electric in the next 10 years…but only an electric mobility scooter!!
@@Ewhurstlane yes, me too. :-)
No EV for me and certainly not a second hand one.
Specifically "bull shit"!
I would never buy an electric vehicle anyway. Save the planet, yeah right.
If cars had a smell, an EV would smell like shit.
Electric cars..best avoided😮
Although a family member has one of the more popular EVs , and I have driven it B on occasion, I still think they are rubbish, I’d rather drive my big ICE powered 7 year old Toyota family sedan , other than basic servicing and putting a few spanners on it to fit a tow bar , it hasn’t missed a beat , so expect that trend to continue for years to come , 7 years on it still drives like a beauty.
I would not touch an Ev brand new or second hand.
Imagine buying a second hand EV and then not many years later having to replace that massively expensive battery, why would anyone do that to themselves ?
Enjoy it while you can because the "evs are bad" gravy train is probably only got about another three years in it.
I heard about a petrol car once that cost £20,000 to fix so I wouldn't go near rubbish like that stick to the old good old-fashioned electric.
I have brought a second hand EV, no problems with it, Vehicle Score of 999 - happy with that for a 21 reg car :-)
What's the resale value of your EV, little fella? 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@brucemitchell5637 Sorry Mr Flintstone, but we don't care about the resale value, we keep our cars for years :-)
Stay safe. Say no to drugs and EVs.
I wouldn't risk buying a new EV, nevermind a used example. Case in point: my friend has a BMW 330E. Full charge gives a range of approx 130 miles.
Add in the repair costs, the battery fires, the cost of making the batteries including transportation, & the lack of charging points (plus cost & time).
My BMW 435D GT X-Drive achieves 35 mpg urban, & around the 50 mpg mark on a motorway or similar. It's also £180 to tax & £303 to insure. For a diesel it's very clean & best of all it will do approx 500 miles on a tank.
The whole EV / PHEV is a disaster. And the cost of these planet savers is a joke.
No one in their right mind would buy an EV but you’d have to be nucking futs to buy a used one especially a Renault. The electrics on their ice cars are poor (been a victim of those) so buying a fully electric one? Never.
People are so jealous of EV drivers lol. My husband and I bought a 2010 Nissan Leaf last month and we love it. Silent motoring, it hardly costs anything per mile and charging up has allowed us to go for a bite to eat or a few coffees. People have criticised it saying if we use the heater in winter the range will drop to something like 5 miles because our battery is only showing 1 bar when charged. This is utter nonsense. These people are just jealous because they are paying through the nose for petrol.
I bought a used EV and it’s one of the best cars I’ve ever driven. The only car I’d say was marginally better was a 2020 Mercedes S350, but for much less I have a car that rides as smooth and moves as quick.
Imagine my surprise when I found the fuel for it comes out of my f’kin wall. And it’s more than 10 times cheaper than petrol. Amazing.
Not a f@@king chance mate .
Thanks for the good advice, I will keep this in mind.
The heater heatpump comressor also provides battery cooling.
If metal dust is in the system that battery coolant cirquit also needs an proper check
The same problem has just occured on my son-in-law’s Zoe and it too was an uneconomical repair. Car has now been replaced by a Kia.
Can anyone explain how a minor component malfunctioning on an otherwise useable car making that car uneconomical to keep, and hence written off, is good for the environment. How does the prospective over production of these cars needed to fill that gap of premature scrapping suggest that this is good for the environment? It’s a total joke. Even if your EV made it to 12 years old and needs a new set of batteries and is scrapped then. Many people have internal combustion engine cars that are well over 12 years old and totally serviceable.
i paid 3500 battery owned zoe. this was my first EV after 10 years that i had to spend any money
the heat pump is used to cool and heat the battery. the heat pump failure is a common fault on the zoe. renault couldnt do my heat pump, i used a local HEVRA speciailist and they repiared the problem and a lot less cost.
It’s interesting how you have framed the question, because you have highlighted a major problem experienced by one owner of an EV.
Example; only recently when my car was being serviced by my local garage. The owner told me that they had a car that wasn’t even 2 years old and it had never been serviced. This was a non-EV car by the way. The owner of the car never thought to have it serviced and only bought it into the garage because the display was lighting up like a Christmas tree.
So the real question is would you buy an EV if there is a complete service record?
EV.... Never buy an EV or Hybrid.
Nothing wrong with hybrids depending on the model.
@@jdmguy44 Lithium battery....... Just like an EV.
@thecentralscrutinizer1758 last over 200k.... Thats nothing....
When You get near 3 million miles.... That will be something......
Volvo P1800..... Google that
I wouldnt buy a second hand EV. But then I wouldnt buy a new EV either!
I was previously looking at a hybrid however I was told that if there is a problem with the battery or it’s system the car wouldn’t move because the ECU would stop the IC engine from starting to protect the battery system etc to prevent any potential damage . So a no go !
I had one of the first Zoe’s over 10 years ago. It spent 3 months in a dealership whilst they worked out a ˋDanger. Do not drive. High voltage“ error. Now drive a BMW i3 range extender which has not missed a beat. I do love the drive of an EV, as well as an Alfa Busso 3.6 mind. Not good PR for Renault but not for VW with Diesel gate or Ford leaving customers with a dud engine due to their wet belt ecoboost scandal.
Never will I buy a second hand EV. All they're going to be are expensive drive ornaments. Completely unusable, as the video describes, even within warranty.
We own 2 EVs (ID3 and Ioniq 5) which are over 2 years old and have around 30k and 40k km on the clock. I'd buy those 2nd hand any day. They are just great.
I think there are a few older models I would just not get anymore like the Zoe or an old Kona or so. But I think the cars from 2020 on like the ID3 will be great used cars. We're just not yet in the used car market that offers those.
What's the resale value of your EV, little fella? 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@brucemitchell5637 why would I want to resell them now? I'll keep them for a few years and then we'll see. While owning them the costs are very low and that'll make up for depreciation. My electricity comes from my roof so 🤷♂️
i have a 10 year old zoe with 91000 miles and battery is still at 92% state of health so they do last
No way l have never replaced a heater core an air-conditioning compressor the ones that had air-conditioning in all the vehicles l have owned and my 1997 Toyota Hilux has its original compressor and the air conditioning and heating work why did this happen well Toyota build there vehicles really well better than a lot of other manufacturers and that is why they are number one in Australia
How much energy does someone consume working to earn£11000. And this is to save the planet. Need some more testing/ review vlogs please
No!
Before buying a Zoe or any other EV you must make sure it's tested. Your mental health that is!!
I would love to be able to afford to buy a used EV, preferably one like the Zoe or Leaf. I am keen to try a conversion for an old vintage car, so one with a broken heater would be ideal. I'd need to learn a lot for the wiring first of course and get pals to help with manufacturing brackets etc.
Im not familiar on Renault zoe heating circuit, even if it uses a heat pump for heating cooling, why was it necessary to remove the battery. The refrigerant circuit is a closed system. and has no direct connection to battery. Can any one from Renault explain what I'm missing.
Insanity
i wouldnt even buy a new ev..
No, I would never buy an EV, new or used.
would never buy a ev to many problems
Would not buy a secondhand ev let alone a new one.
I'd not buy a second-hand EV; it'd be like buying a second-hand dinner. 🤢
I can only afford to ride a bike these days [£130 from Halfords]; my sophisticated HVAC [heating, ventilation, air-conditioning] 'solution' consists of the buttons on the neck of my blouse.
Cold, wet weather: fasten both buttons.
Cold weather: undo top button.
Warmer weather: undo both.
The warmer weather option doesn't get much use here in the gloomy north of England, which is probably just as well; you don't know the true meaning of 'panic' till you've had a wasp disappear into your cleavage.😲 Ask me how I know...
I'l go to the bus
I’ll wave.
Same is true for ICE vehicles. KevTee picks the garbage ICE cars up every day
Many petrol or diesel cars are also written off due to uneconomic repairs. Most EV haters are too poor to afford one - judging by the comments here. EVs will soon be cheaper than dinosaur cars then you will learn. (Note: you do need to be a competent planner to own an EV - if your phone keeps running out of charge, please dont buy an EV as you sob story will make me laugh too much.)
EV'S SUCK!!!
As a rd car I would buy a tesla for fun
Nope. Not new or used
i like your face
Noooppe
Never been convinced of EVs, they are going to flop and people are going to be stuck with them. I love seeing these stuck up pretentious people who think they are better than everyone else because they have an EV or specifically a Tesla. I am a petrol head, i always will be and i wont ever by buying an EV i would rather Cycle! and i dont cycle right now!.
Never ever been interested in either new or used ev's. They are just right off commodities
You should give them a go. I'm sure some people didn't like petrol cars and wanted to stick to horses
I'm retired now and when I can no longer obtain an ice car it will be public transport for me.
When you buy an EV you're really buying a giant battery with a flashy toy car built around it.
The heater is nowhere near the battery