My favorite part was when you were breaking out; watching you take a glance up, then back down on the gauges, gradually transitioning back to visual scans, was a great example of what my CFII taught me.
Awesome. I flew the A-model as a student in 1992. At that time, we had supreme confidence in the instrumentation, and we regularly flew dual in some low weather, so I hate to hear that things went downhill. As a funny aside, on our solo out-n-back (Reese to Tinker), we were thoroughly briefed to not do any actual instrument flying. Well, I was near the end of the string and, 15 minutes out, Tinker goes IFR and they begin advertising the ILS. I tell the controller I would like to maintain VMC and he clears me to go looking for a spot to descend. I spend a few minutes ripping around the north side of Ok City at 300 knots, looking for a way down in order to not bust the ROE. It was fruitless and I began accepting vectors to the approach; it looked an awful lot like your video. Training kicked in and it worked out fine. Once on the ground, we all winked and shrugged with each other. The IPs (one in the #1 jet, and one in the caboose) just said, "Good job everyone" and nothing else. Thanks for reminding me of that formative day.
@@kstark2298 I'm actually the descendant of a Wild Weasel vet who flew the F-4G in Gulf War. That's amazing he flew F-105 Thuds. My grandfather worked on the Thunderchiefs and F-4 Phantoms as mechanic in the ANG. He liked the jet and had nothing but nice things to say about the pilots that flew the F-105. I love the Century Series fighters.
Was a pharmacist in Bellevue, NE across the street from Offutt AFB. The T--38 was the jet that inspired me to become a pilot. Learned to fly at the Aero Club there in a Piper Tomahawk. Forty years later I'm flying my Bonanza and Super Cub and having tons of fun. Not a T-38, but .... Keep the videos coming, love your channel.
Living in Houston, I frequently hear and see NASA's Talons zooming overhead, and it often reminds me of being much, much younger and stopping near Randolph Aux to watch the training flights.
That's a Déjà vu moment, just watched the AIB review from Mover about the T38 mishap, where 2 people unfortunately seized, a few years ago. Thank you for your service, Sir.
Don’t sell yourself short here, a T-38 is approaching substantially faster than any private or commercial aircraft, and therefore much twitchier on the same approach (apples to apples comparison).
I like the way you have the camera set up to show the flight instruments. stable descent 500 fpm with the airspeed pegged. Yeah. similar to a 172. except approach speed is a little more. lol.
This year I finally got to see an actual RNAV approach. It’s quite dramatic when you break out and the runway is right where it is supposed to be. I wish I’d thought of videoing it.
Catching a Gonky upload on Friday just made my night! Absolutely love to see the training Gonky references with mover and guests in action. Flying an old stram guage T-38 IFR through weather likes this is precarious in the best case.
I just subscribed because you flew into Eglin. My Mom is from Crestview and my Dad was stationed at Eglin. Lot's of memories from there! Thx for the video!
Knew it was Eglin as soon as you popped out. Was this recent? I don't recall any 38 transients coming through last week. That is unless you're flying the F-5's here
What's the significance of the "ticks" around the airspeed indicator at (looks like) 220, 160, 120 knots? Are those fixed "ticks" or adjustable? Thanks! PS I bet "Rook" subscribed to this channel in the last couple of days ;)
I wasn't a military pilot, but I was flying since I was a teenager, and bought my own plane at 19 years old. That was decades ago though and I hadn't flown in a long time. I live nearby Sheppard AFB and had a buddy who was an F-15C guy turned T-38 IP. He was stationed there for about a decade. He couldn't ever get me into a real T-38 of course, but he did get me into the sim building during exodus one year, about 10 years ago, and let me play in the full cockpit T-38C simulator. The one that's basically the whole cockpit of the jet, with seat, canopy bow, etc. That was a blast. I took Go Pro of that. 😆 In the video, that's my friend early on giving me V1 and all that. He asked if I wanted safeties on to prevent "breaking the jet", and I said "no". If I'd break the jet in real life, then allow it in the sim. Just give me unlimited fuel, that's all. Full realism otherwise. Later in the vid, that's him in the other jet zooming under me, etc. We didn't do any BFM or anything. I mean, I'm sure I could beat the crap out of the average guy in one of those dude ranch dogfight schools, but this guy was a "C-model" guy and I didn't feel like being embarrassed on camera. Apparently, I don't like the centerline much. And I tried some high alpha, low transition stuff, pushovers after some fails at getting the jet to do much vertical work. I legit got near destroying the engines with a couple of oil starvation warnings on the neg G stuff. I did get it to loop a couple of times. The most telling thing for me, coming from light single engine piston in the real world, was that the hardest thing to do in this jet...is LAND it. In the beginning, my buddy told me "point the nose where you want the jet to go". Yeah, yeah. I know. But, I didn't take that literally when it came to landing the thing!! I expected this thing to fly like every other plane I flew, where on approach I'm using elevator = airspeed and throttles = altitude. NOPE! WRONG! I start pulling back on the throttles trying to lose altitude and expecting to maintain AoA and airspeed with the stick, and all that happened was he starts warning me I'm getting real slow and about to stall the thing on final. I mean, it wasn't pitching nose down or anything with reduced throttle like I am used to. This thing is just a dart with wings, and it just wants to keep flying, even when you pull back the power. All that ever got me was getting slow, not shedding altitude, as would be expected in a Cessna. So, that was a big shock and learning curve for me over the 2-3hrs I was in this sim. It's easy to take off. It's easy to fly. Even for someone with real pilot experience like me, it was hard to land. And he told me that was the way the real jet is. I had to learn during my time in the sim that you did actually have to take that stick, push the nose over, and point the jet it at the runway until you got to transitioning and getting ready for flare. On a couple of those landings I knew I dropped it in kinda hard and lost energy a little too high, and you can almost see me cringe about it, because I know this is dainty Air Force main gear, not an F/A-18. I guess I didn't break the gear or the sim would have told me if I reached that stress on it, but I'm sure I might have bent something and heard about it from a maintainer before I could get to the parking lot. 😆 But I'm lucky, I get to watch these guys fly over almost every day, and it doesn't get old looking at T-38s go overhead. Especially when they do a break with afterburner. It gets loud. ruclips.net/video/iPg0jMBOVGc/видео.html
@@RedTail1-1 A gamer D-bag who has never flown anything in real life, and who just has to say something because he's jealous. 🙄"Advertise"? It's a 10 yr old video some might find interesting and relevant given the subject matter. It's called a suggestion. GFY
@@mary_mildred Did I say that? I said he was stationed there about a decade. And he was in command position. And a sim instructor later. And he had previously been deployed around and was stationed at Lakenheath before this. YES, about a decade here. Because if you've been paying attention to Mover it's not like they have postings everywhere to keep people flying who get all the flight hours they really need, so they tend to keep experienced people here and NATO keeps a lot of their instructors here a long time too. And again, he was close to retirement and chose to stay here when he could have gone.
Garmin seem to like spending their advertising budget sponsoring youtubers. How much publicity could they get out of Gonky & Mover offering an upgrade service? Clearly, each jet would require test flying to check that they're working under BFM conditions...
My favorite part was when you were breaking out; watching you take a glance up, then back down on the gauges, gradually transitioning back to visual scans, was a great example of what my CFII taught me.
Awesome. I flew the A-model as a student in 1992. At that time, we had supreme confidence in the instrumentation, and we regularly flew dual in some low weather, so I hate to hear that things went downhill. As a funny aside, on our solo out-n-back (Reese to Tinker), we were thoroughly briefed to not do any actual instrument flying. Well, I was near the end of the string and, 15 minutes out, Tinker goes IFR and they begin advertising the ILS. I tell the controller I would like to maintain VMC and he clears me to go looking for a spot to descend. I spend a few minutes ripping around the north side of Ok City at 300 knots, looking for a way down in order to not bust the ROE. It was fruitless and I began accepting vectors to the approach; it looked an awful lot like your video. Training kicked in and it worked out fine. Once on the ground, we all winked and shrugged with each other. The IPs (one in the #1 jet, and one in the caboose) just said, "Good job everyone" and nothing else. Thanks for reminding me of that formative day.
It’s great how you talk us through what’s going on in the video, but also include the raw footage. Much appreciated!
Good old stick and rudder techniques.
What a great way to start a Friday morning.
Nice to see a Wild Weasel commenting here! I was raised by a F-105 Vietnam Wild Weasel vet.
@@kstark2298 I'm actually the descendant of a Wild Weasel vet who flew the F-4G in Gulf War. That's amazing he flew F-105 Thuds. My grandfather worked on the Thunderchiefs and F-4 Phantoms as mechanic in the ANG. He liked the jet and had nothing but nice things to say about the pilots that flew the F-105. I love the Century Series fighters.
Great video, thank you for sharing. Happy Friday sir!!!💥💥💥
Was a pharmacist in Bellevue, NE across the street from Offutt AFB. The T--38 was the jet that inspired me to become a pilot. Learned to fly at the Aero Club there in a Piper Tomahawk. Forty years later I'm flying my Bonanza and Super Cub and having tons of fun. Not a T-38, but .... Keep the videos coming, love your channel.
Wow the sound of those J31 engines are awesome : )
Great way to sip some coffee on this early Friday morning -thank you Gonky. 🇺🇸
You mean J-85's?
@ Negative. Was joking about the age : ) 🇺🇸
Tremendous video. Thank you!!🇺🇸🍀🇺🇸
Wow, I love this view! Thank you Gonky for sharing this and to let us fly with you for a moment...
Awesome planes, T-38, F-4 Phantom!
Very nice! I used to watch T-38's all day, every day for 3 years in the early 70's. Thanks..
Living in Houston, I frequently hear and see NASA's Talons zooming overhead, and it often reminds me of being much, much younger and stopping near Randolph Aux to watch the training flights.
That's a Déjà vu moment, just watched the AIB review from Mover about the T38 mishap, where 2 people unfortunately seized, a few years ago. Thank you for your service, Sir.
Don’t sell yourself short here, a T-38 is approaching substantially faster than any private or commercial aircraft, and therefore much twitchier on the same approach (apples to apples comparison).
I like the way you have the camera set up to show the flight instruments. stable descent 500 fpm with the airspeed pegged. Yeah. similar to a 172. except approach speed is a little more. lol.
Thanks for the ride - gauges and all, never gets old. Looked like an okay 3-wire to me.
This year I finally got to see an actual RNAV approach. It’s quite dramatic when you break out and the runway is right where it is supposed to be. I wish I’d thought of videoing it.
Catching a Gonky upload on Friday just made my night! Absolutely love to see the training Gonky references with mover and guests in action. Flying an old stram guage T-38 IFR through weather likes this is precarious in the best case.
It might be precarious now if that equipment is worn out but back in the day I would let my good students fly the ILS to touchdown under the bag.
Fuck yea, I love this kinda content.
I just subscribed because you flew into Eglin. My Mom is from Crestview and my Dad was stationed at Eglin. Lot's of memories from there! Thx for the video!
Loving this >!!! Great job
Good stuff
Knew it was Eglin as soon as you popped out. Was this recent? I don't recall any 38 transients coming through last week. That is unless you're flying the F-5's here
Needles approach. 👍
Thanks Gonky! All of you fighter pilots, should you need a cpap later in life, most of you will have no problem getting used to it.
You have a flight director in the T-38 though......right? You don't trust the instruments...wha, wha.....what?!
Did you happen to fly over eastern NC yesterday? 11/25/24
Going for that f-18 handle at 06:48 i see
I bet it’s scary when you can’t see the horizon in IMC conditions and only using your instruments
You made a new RUclips channel?...
Great video, Gonky. QQ: At 6:48 did your right hand reach up to grab the hand-hold that's on the F-18? 🙂
Like "Pail" in his Growler, Gonky was attempting his "signature move".
@@mary_mildred Signature move, no big deal.
Are you doing the Tacan approach?
Short on skill, he says 🙄😂
Sorry, but I’m behind the times with following you, Gonky. I thought you were a Navy pilot. If you are, why do you (or used to fly) an AF plane?
What's the significance of the "ticks" around the airspeed indicator at (looks like) 220, 160, 120 knots? Are those fixed "ticks" or adjustable? Thanks!
PS I bet "Rook" subscribed to this channel in the last couple of days ;)
I wasn't a military pilot, but I was flying since I was a teenager, and bought my own plane at 19 years old. That was decades ago though and I hadn't flown in a long time. I live nearby Sheppard AFB and had a buddy who was an F-15C guy turned T-38 IP. He was stationed there for about a decade. He couldn't ever get me into a real T-38 of course, but he did get me into the sim building during exodus one year, about 10 years ago, and let me play in the full cockpit T-38C simulator. The one that's basically the whole cockpit of the jet, with seat, canopy bow, etc. That was a blast. I took Go Pro of that. 😆
In the video, that's my friend early on giving me V1 and all that. He asked if I wanted safeties on to prevent "breaking the jet", and I said "no". If I'd break the jet in real life, then allow it in the sim. Just give me unlimited fuel, that's all. Full realism otherwise. Later in the vid, that's him in the other jet zooming under me, etc. We didn't do any BFM or anything. I mean, I'm sure I could beat the crap out of the average guy in one of those dude ranch dogfight schools, but this guy was a "C-model" guy and I didn't feel like being embarrassed on camera.
Apparently, I don't like the centerline much. And I tried some high alpha, low transition stuff, pushovers after some fails at getting the jet to do much vertical work. I legit got near destroying the engines with a couple of oil starvation warnings on the neg G stuff. I did get it to loop a couple of times. The most telling thing for me, coming from light single engine piston in the real world, was that the hardest thing to do in this jet...is LAND it. In the beginning, my buddy told me "point the nose where you want the jet to go". Yeah, yeah. I know. But, I didn't take that literally when it came to landing the thing!! I expected this thing to fly like every other plane I flew, where on approach I'm using elevator = airspeed and throttles = altitude. NOPE! WRONG! I start pulling back on the throttles trying to lose altitude and expecting to maintain AoA and airspeed with the stick, and all that happened was he starts warning me I'm getting real slow and about to stall the thing on final. I mean, it wasn't pitching nose down or anything with reduced throttle like I am used to. This thing is just a dart with wings, and it just wants to keep flying, even when you pull back the power. All that ever got me was getting slow, not shedding altitude, as would be expected in a Cessna. So, that was a big shock and learning curve for me over the 2-3hrs I was in this sim. It's easy to take off. It's easy to fly. Even for someone with real pilot experience like me, it was hard to land. And he told me that was the way the real jet is. I had to learn during my time in the sim that you did actually have to take that stick, push the nose over, and point the jet it at the runway until you got to transitioning and getting ready for flare. On a couple of those landings I knew I dropped it in kinda hard and lost energy a little too high, and you can almost see me cringe about it, because I know this is dainty Air Force main gear, not an F/A-18. I guess I didn't break the gear or the sim would have told me if I reached that stress on it, but I'm sure I might have bent something and heard about it from a maintainer before I could get to the parking lot. 😆 But I'm lucky, I get to watch these guys fly over almost every day, and it doesn't get old looking at T-38s go overhead. Especially when they do a break with afterburner. It gets loud.
ruclips.net/video/iPg0jMBOVGc/видео.html
Not really cool to advertise on other's channels.
@@RedTail1-1 A gamer D-bag who has never flown anything in real life, and who just has to say something because he's jealous. 🙄"Advertise"? It's a 10 yr old video some might find interesting and relevant given the subject matter. It's called a suggestion. GFY
A decade as an IP?
@@mary_mildred Did I say that? I said he was stationed there about a decade. And he was in command position. And a sim instructor later. And he had previously been deployed around and was stationed at Lakenheath before this. YES, about a decade here. Because if you've been paying attention to Mover it's not like they have postings everywhere to keep people flying who get all the flight hours they really need, so they tend to keep experienced people here and NATO keeps a lot of their instructors here a long time too. And again, he was close to retirement and chose to stay here when he could have gone.
155kt plus one kt for each 100 pounds of gas.
Didn’t trust the instruments… 😳😳
We need to get Gonky back in a Hornet, and Mover back in a Viper so we can see REAL-WORLD BFM and not DCS. 🤷🏼♂️😂
Garmin seem to like spending their advertising budget sponsoring youtubers. How much publicity could they get out of Gonky & Mover offering an upgrade service? Clearly, each jet would require test flying to check that they're working under BFM conditions...