Self Portrait: What Is This S----? | Discovering Bob Dylan, Ep. 13

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  • Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
  • As Greil Marcus famously put it in his review of Self Portrait, Bob Dylan's 10th album, and first of the 1970s, "What is this shit?"
    What it is, is Bob Dylan playfully zigging left and turning the expectations of critics and Dylan fans (same thing --ed.) on their head. Full of standards and covers and Dylan in crooner mode, it stunned listeners at the time of its release, but was moderately popular anyway.
    Joe and co-host Dylan Sevey do their best to make lemonade from the lemons of Self Portrait. Is there anything nice to say about it at all? Is it an elaborate troll by Bob Dylan just to get people off his back?
    You'll have to watch the video to find out if one of (Bob) Dylan's least acclaimed albums is worth spinning at all.
    What are your thoughts on Self Portrait? Leave your comments in the comments.
    Thanks for watching!

Комментарии • 130

  • @edwardsighamony
    @edwardsighamony 7 месяцев назад +31

    Am I the only one who doesn't hate this album? Not his best, but I quite enjoy it.

    • @dylanseveymusic
      @dylanseveymusic 7 месяцев назад +5

      I definitely don’t hate it.

    • @edwardsighamony
      @edwardsighamony 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@dylanseveymusic I just meant the general critical consensus that I grew up with. It put me off from even listening to the album, for a while. I'm definitely not in the camp that it's a masterpiece.

    • @MrUnclesean
      @MrUnclesean 7 месяцев назад +2

      like it a LOT more than JWH

    • @curly_wyn
      @curly_wyn 7 месяцев назад +3

      It’s awful, and the only four tolerable songs are just ok.

    • @zacharylegault5784
      @zacharylegault5784 7 месяцев назад +6

      I adore this album. I even lost my virginity on it

  • @anthonysablan8650
    @anthonysablan8650 7 месяцев назад +14

    Really enjoying this series and I just gotta say, Dylan would be an excellent 3rd chair on TLM

  • @RobertHunley-u5q
    @RobertHunley-u5q 7 дней назад +2

    I like Self Portrait bootleg better than his 80s albums , but I’m more of a Dylan from 1963- 1966. The stripped down versions better than Basement Tapes , it just depends on the individual.

  • @RobertHunley-u5q
    @RobertHunley-u5q 7 дней назад +2

    It’s the bootleg Self Portrait that good songs are hidden stripped from the dressing. I think he admitted it was deliberate. I like classic rock , but I like depth and weight to songs. That say something . I’m a big Doors fan , but not like I used to. I know people who detest The Doors. I was a big Zep fan in the 1970s I knew people who hated Zeppelin. And on it goes. I used to hate Bowie until I I heard The Man Who Sold The World when Bowie rocked. Everyone is different. Dylan once said “ how can I dig people who dig me when I don’t dig me “ I think in 1965 or 66. So oh well.

  • @TrekBeatTK
    @TrekBeatTK Месяц назад +2

    I unironically love his version of “The Boxer”. The only track where he sings with himself.

  • @davidgagen9856
    @davidgagen9856 7 месяцев назад +2

    The bootleg Self Portrait box set is remarkable. It forced me to reconsider this album. Pretty Saro is remarkable. The 3 or 4 live songs however shouldnt be here...they are very out of place.

  • @179rich
    @179rich 7 месяцев назад +6

    The Self Portrait "The Boxer" is just awful. 1 star.

  • @georgedantz3617
    @georgedantz3617 7 месяцев назад +6

    Belle Isle might be my favorite song from the album. It kind of reminds me of I Thew it all Away from Nashville Skyline. Bob's romantic poetry is top notch in these two songs.

  • @jamesegan2742
    @jamesegan2742 7 месяцев назад +3

    Self-Portrait is the emergence of a Dylan we will unfortunately encounter again: uninspired, lazy, in a hurry. There are some good moments on the album, but what is such a shame is that many of these tracks sound like first-run throw-together/throw-offs. Days of ‘49 is a great song lazily presented; Dylan seems to be reading it off a notepad. In Search of Little Sadie is just an amateur mess; on this and other tracks, Dylan couldn’t be bothered to go back and give a better performance. The live tracks are haphazardly spread throughout, and are not strong. The whole album seems sad to me; Dylan’s heart is broken or his head is elsewhere…that sense of indifference to his own recording is what comes through. But Dylan is so good that at times even these lazy approaches bring forward something good, such as Copper Kettle, as Mr. Sevey notes (the version on Another Side is even better), as is Living the Blues, and Early Morning Rain from our Gord. The best song from the whole session is Pretty Saro, featured on the excellent Another Self Portrait which, I agree with Mr. Sevey is terrific and much better than the official release. Can’t believe my rating of a Dylan album would be lower than that of Joe, but here we are: it’s a 2.5 star album. But so much better will come, and soon. Cheers, JPE

    • @dylanseveymusic
      @dylanseveymusic 7 месяцев назад +1

      I agree with most of this, except I don’t find the experience sad. I picture Dylan listening to the final playback and laughing his ass off. There are other releases I will feel that way about, just not this one in particular. Thanks for another insightful comment, James!

  • @aronpolasek4506
    @aronpolasek4506 7 месяцев назад +5

    Pleasantly surprised by Joe's take. I thought the bat shit craziness of the tracklist would be too much for him to stomach. Unsurprisingly, Dylan S. had a great observation about the over-correction of the critical assessment of the official "Self Portrait" release in the wake of the Bootleg Series Vol. 10. Personally...I still don't love "Self Portrait", and rarely ever listen to it. But...I love the Bootleg Series Vol. 10. So whenever I want to revisit this period, that's what I reach for. 'Pretty Saro' from that set is really wonderful.
    It's also great to hear Joe becoming more in tune with Dylan's penchant for going against the grain, and choosing to zig when everyone expects/wants him to zag. It's one of the things I love most about Bob.

  • @davidellis5141
    @davidellis5141 7 месяцев назад +7

    Bob has said the cover only took 5 minutes to draw & it looks like it.

  • @martinlarsson5254
    @martinlarsson5254 7 месяцев назад +4

    This is, believe it or not, my most listened album ever on Spotify. And I use Spotify every day. My vinyl copy is also on high rotation on the turntable. Maybe it's because of the imperfections I love it so much. Let it be me, Blue moon and Copper Kettle are my go to tracks.

  • @ShaneJamesBordas
    @ShaneJamesBordas 7 месяцев назад +5

    Totally with Dylan here and his assessment of Copper Kettle, it's a fantastic track. Self Portrait is a conceptual masterstroke for sure, it's the anti Blonde On Blonde. It was never meant to be a masterpiece but a way of shedding that Voice Of A Generation mantle Bob was straddled with. It's the sound of him pressing the reset button. And as Joe pointed out, it's not a completely cynical exercise either as it contains some genuinely lovely moments.

  • @qroqqle
    @qroqqle 7 месяцев назад +2

    wigwam is until today, dylan's biggest hit in the netherlands. it got to no 3.

  • @Bizzle65
    @Bizzle65 7 месяцев назад +5

    Fucking love this record. Fabulous.

    • @prangbro
      @prangbro 6 месяцев назад

      Legend, couldn’t agree more 👍

  • @LarsPop-Tartus
    @LarsPop-Tartus 7 месяцев назад +8

    Love Days of ‘49

    • @dylanseveymusic
      @dylanseveymusic 7 месяцев назад

      Forgot to mention it in the episode, but I like it as well. I prefer the underdubbed version on the Bootleg Series.

    • @prangbro
      @prangbro 6 месяцев назад

      ruclips.net/video/g_2mdswcWDM/видео.htmlsi=N-FdRHptpAtWeaiT

    • @TrekBeatTK
      @TrekBeatTK Месяц назад

      @@dylanseveymusicoh but the harmonicas are the best part of “Days of ‘49”!

  • @archieleechjb
    @archieleechjb 7 месяцев назад +3

    The REAL Dylan Self-Portrait is Greatest Hits, Vol. II. It was conceived to present Dylan as a song-writer, and is impeccably sequenced, with a half-dozen previously unreleased tracks.

  • @AJP-thoughts
    @AJP-thoughts 7 месяцев назад +1

    Anyone willing to join me in venom-shaming the critical reaction at the time? If we agree his legend was weighing on him then surely Bowie's subsequent appeal to the mortal Robert Zimmerman about how much THE(e) BOB DYLAN can personally mean to someone is an infinitely more productive means of reinvigorating artistic enthusiasm. Assuming of course that GAME does indeed recognize GAME!

  • @johnlefsky8731
    @johnlefsky8731 7 месяцев назад +2

    3 stars is fair. For all of it's flaws I can count, at least, 6 Dylan LPs I think are worse. The Bootleg version is, of course , far superior. And, yeah, Dylan is right on when he says All The Tired Horses is cinematic; it's like the old fashioned overtures you'd hear at the beginning of a David Lean movie. There is a great cover, by Lisa O'Neill, at the end of the final episode of Peaky Blinders.

  • @MikeVernonProd
    @MikeVernonProd 7 месяцев назад +1

    The bootleg series version of “All The Tired Horses” is beautiful and haunting. Unfortunately the album version is just too cluttered and overwhelmed by the string arrangement. Copper Kettle also suffers from the string arrangement, the “under dubbed” mix is much better.
    I think Dylan is right in that a genuinely good album can be found amidst the sessions of Self Portrait. Remove the substandard and unnecessary live tracks, replace some songs with their stripped down versions, and add songs like “Pretty Saro, Railroad Bill, Tattle O Day, This Evening So Soon, and Bring A Little Water” from the Bootleg series and you’ll find a genuinely compelling and enjoyable listen.

  • @HeyFella
    @HeyFella 7 месяцев назад +1

    Not sure why this has such an odd reputation. It’s obvious what he’s doing. Letting go of the weighty pretenses about himself and just laying him and his influences out there. Let It Be Me is probably my biggest highlight. His take on The Boxer is really interesting because he’s harmonizing with his older self. Like as his crooning country style layered on top of what he used to sound like-or at least something closer to that. It’s not touching the original, but none of the covers are a real attempt to. Other gems for me were Alberta #1, Copper Kettle Blue Moon, and Take a Message to Mary.

  • @terrybnad2959
    @terrybnad2959 7 месяцев назад +1

    I don't think Dylan was all that invested in Self Portrait as tends to be the case when sessions drag out this long (Empire Burlesque, Knocked Out Loaded and Down I'm The Groove suffer the same malaise). His normal MO is working in short, intense bursts whereas Self Portrait is just lackadaisical meanderings spanning a whole year. Once you get over it, it's quite an entertaining listen, and the Another Self Portrait Bootleg Series set is actually one of my personal favourites, loads of lovely material perversely left off SP, or sounding so much better without the intrusive production.

  • @seanjockel43
    @seanjockel43 3 месяца назад +1

    I have gone back to this album many time and each time I play it I like it less. I would give it 1 star that's due to the one and only decent track snd that's Days of 49. This Was the only track that received consistent FM airplay

  • @da1215
    @da1215 5 месяцев назад +1

    My Favorite Dylan Album. The guy on the left looks like Dylan's Violin Player on self portrait

  • @MrUnclesean
    @MrUnclesean 7 месяцев назад +3

    and the big girls... Joni, Carole king, Carly Simon, ..

  • @stefano.b65stef77
    @stefano.b65stef77 7 месяцев назад +1

    Hi joe and Dylan, i give some credit to self portrait just because i'm a Bob Dylan fan through and through but i must admit it is not a great album, it's average. I'm very fond of another self portrait instead, one of my favourite among bootleg series

  • @kevinjoseph517
    @kevinjoseph517 7 месяцев назад +1

    Bobs artistic decline..he coulda released the real basement tapes..130 songs.

  • @DeanJonasson
    @DeanJonasson 7 месяцев назад +2

    "Easy, breezy"? How about "lazy, crazy"?
    There are a few cool songs buried under the half-baked and/or over-cooked material. The best thing about this double is that it's the original home to the punky, live version of "Quinn the Eskimo" (from the Isle of Wight Festival). Fortunately, it can also be found on GREATEST HITS Vol. 2.
    Check out the BOOTLEG #10 versions for a clearer picture of what Dylan could have achieved. (Note: his idea for "Self Portrait #2" got shelved after the critical lambasting and public indifference. Some of those songs ended up on DYLAN, Columbia's kiss-off after Bob (temporarily) jumped to Asylum.
    This is the beginning of his "amnesia" period.

  • @DavidHarrison-pv9lt
    @DavidHarrison-pv9lt 7 месяцев назад +2

    ha, neither one of you mentioned Days of 49? i remember having a girl friend who was really into Dylan but hadnt heard this album. When i got a cassette of SP i put it on and asked her guess who it was.... pissing myself laughing all the way though ATTH, and waiting to see her face when Alberta came on. Notable also that there are some who this the subject of the Boxer IS Dylan, and although Paul Simon sort of said it was about himself that was much later and at the time Bob had reason to think it WAS about him, and his harmony with himself is hilarious. He always has had a good sense of humour (except when he caught religion).Notable also that in LARS not only is it an atrocious version he actually FORGETS the words, further reinforcing the conceptual F.U. of this album... Hey Jack better beware of New Morning,,, it has 2 of the bottom 5 worst songs Bob ever wrote on it.

    • @dylanseveymusic
      @dylanseveymusic 7 месяцев назад +2

      Just about every episode, I walk away realizing I forgot to name check a song. “Days of 49” was the big idiotic moment for me this time. I do like it, though I prefer the less arranged Another Self Portrait version. Completely disagree with you on what I assume the songs you’re talking about on New Morning, but that is coming up soon enough. Thanks for watching!

    • @DavidHarrison-pv9lt
      @DavidHarrison-pv9lt 7 месяцев назад

      @@dylanseveymusic If jack likes Dogs run free and/or 3 angels i'll voluntarily listen to 1 X Elton john album as penance.

  • @1feloniouspunk
    @1feloniouspunk 7 месяцев назад +3

    Yes! Copper Kettle is the gem! The Boxer could have been left off.

    • @1feloniouspunk
      @1feloniouspunk 7 месяцев назад +1

      Oh, and Early Mornin' Rain.

    • @1feloniouspunk
      @1feloniouspunk 7 месяцев назад +1

      One of my favorite Bob Dylan albums.

  • @davidgagen9856
    @davidgagen9856 7 месяцев назад +1

    Swap riding for writing. How can I get any writing done. Wouldnt surprise me if thats what he meant.

  • @KnialPiper
    @KnialPiper 4 месяца назад +2

    My FAVORITE Dylan album. This CD has been in my car for six years. It’s not leaving.

  • @DavysFlicks
    @DavysFlicks 7 месяцев назад +2

    Coming up for my fave underrated Dylan album, Planet Waves. I try and drop it on Sea Of Tranquility when I'm on...and Dylan is not flavour of the month (or year..or decade...) there.

  • @AndThatsaChinson
    @AndThatsaChinson 7 месяцев назад +1

    I don't know if it was mentioned but a lot of early 70's Dylan were most likely contractly obligated albums

  • @johnlefsky8731
    @johnlefsky8731 7 месяцев назад +2

    Are you going to cover "Pat Garrett and Billy The Kid"? It might be a good idea to fold "Dylan" and "Pat Garrett" into one episode. I've been meaning to revisit the film and this presents the perfect reason to do so. Dylan is also a film fan and it would be interesting, to me anyway, so discuss some of the film quotes and references in his songs. I'm almost a big a film fan as I am a music fan.

    • @TastesLikeMusic
      @TastesLikeMusic  7 месяцев назад +3

      That is what we are doing. - joe

    • @TrekBeatTK
      @TrekBeatTK Месяц назад

      If you’re still planning to revisit the film, there’s a new Blu-ray coming from Criterion this year

  • @chrisdelisle3954
    @chrisdelisle3954 7 месяцев назад +3

    New Morning is a step in the right direction. I don't imagine it will knock you out. Like Dylan said, it's not Highway 61. But, if I'm a betting man, you'll definitely like it more than Self Portrait and John Wesley Harding.
    I seem to recall enjoying the "Another Self Portrait" bootleg series record. I don't know that I have listened to Self Portrait all the way through, yet.

  • @djtforever1414
    @djtforever1414 7 месяцев назад +3

    I've always liked Days Of 49 - please Joe, don't tell me I'm wrong

  • @grunntalll
    @grunntalll 7 месяцев назад +2

    i love this show! thanks guys! cant wait for you to get to Empire Burlesque and World Gone Wrong

  • @jeffw.england
    @jeffw.england 7 месяцев назад +1

    I like tired horses and wigwam now. It gives the album character as an intro and outro.

  • @daarfa
    @daarfa 7 месяцев назад +1

    Bob Dylan - Pretty Saro outtake best recording voice ever

  • @spencerdobkin9479
    @spencerdobkin9479 3 месяца назад +1

    A good album for Dylan fans. I like it. Let it be me is beautiful.

  • @johnwilliams4658
    @johnwilliams4658 7 месяцев назад +2

    Another Self Portrait is very enjoyable. I don't mind this period even if it's all a bit low key.

  • @AnnoyingCritic-is7rp
    @AnnoyingCritic-is7rp Месяц назад +1

    Lots of bad songs on this album. The bootleg has lots of really good songs.

  • @kenkaplan3654
    @kenkaplan3654 7 месяцев назад +2

    Well both of you nailed it. The ultimate FU album. One can I suppose admire the stance and why he felt that way but at the time it didn't feel that way. Only someone of Dylan's stature and impact could get away with it. In the end he could not maintain this because it wasn't his nature.
    I did listen to some of the bootleg versions and was quite surprised how much "there" was there. Through this whole period (JWH-New Morning) I took a vacation from Dylan although I did buy Nashville Skyline. Blood on the Tracks revived my interest.

  • @edward8597
    @edward8597 7 месяцев назад +2

    Dylan's own contradictory claims about this album are, I think, illustrative. I think he *started* the project sincerely -- nobody is recording Days of 49 or Copper Kettle with the aim of self-sabotage. I think toward the end, though, when he realised his vision for the album wasn't coming through, I think he went the self-sabotage route.

  • @francisanosissi1
    @francisanosissi1 7 месяцев назад +1

    He was trying to avoid the exact thing you guys are doing..:)

  • @chillepalmerz
    @chillepalmerz 7 месяцев назад +2

    I understand why this was hated when it came out, but I enjoy it both as a curiosity taken in context of Bob's life and career at the time, and as a listening experience in a vacuum. I used to hate in Search of Little Sadie but I kind of like it now. To me it transcends its own awfulness and goes into charming outsider music territory. The way it goes from being completely out of tune and nonsensically structured to eventually finding a rhythm and melody by the end is weirdly enticing to me. This is the first time I've ever heard someone rag on Wigwam, I thought everyone loved that one haha. I heard a theory about that song that it was meant to be an instrumental and the "da da da da"s by Bob were just meant to be guide vocals for the brass section but he decided to leave them in the final mix.

  • @thetrevorosborne
    @thetrevorosborne 3 месяца назад +1

    Agree with you it could have been a decent single album

  • @ClubCatJohnKite
    @ClubCatJohnKite 7 месяцев назад +2

    The deeper story is, “How am I supposed to get any ‘writing’ done?”

  • @SamNitzberg
    @SamNitzberg 7 месяцев назад +2

    At the time, with Self Portrait, Dylan introduced us to a to a lot of great material by other artists. And Another Self Portrait is I think my favorite bootleg series album. He is a singular interpreter of other people's (and trad) material.

  • @kensilverstone1656
    @kensilverstone1656 7 месяцев назад +2

    As a Dylan fan, this is his worst album. Only, "Dylan," comes close.

    • @dylanseveymusic
      @dylanseveymusic 7 месяцев назад +1

      That’s fascinating to me. There’s a “redeemable” album in here, which is more than I can say about certain albums coming down the line. But, I’ll have my say in that soon enough. Thanks for watching!

    • @kensilverstone1656
      @kensilverstone1656 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@dylanseveymusic I didn't include some of the stranger of the "new albums," like the Christmas album and maybe the old time standard covers. But I remember when Self Portrait came out, it seemed an incredible drop from Highway 61, Blonde on Blond, or in fact every album up to that time. You have fresh ears so I always respect your views.

  • @Yakaru1
    @Yakaru1 7 месяцев назад +2

    Just like last time, I'm genuinely surprised by Joe's rating. Was expecting something in a lower region than that!
    First time I've heard this album -- I'd always avoided it because I'd heard it was crap. But, I'm along for the ride, so I listened to it on You Tube. Can't really get a clear impression of it as an album, but some good songs. I like All the Tired Horses -- a good opener too, as the admission fee for an oddball album.... (I don't think it would have been improved if Dylan suddenly started singing along with it!)
    Definitely some not particularly good songs on here though, but enough good ones to make a good single album. agree -- Copper Kettle is really good. Could hear The Band doing it.
    Thanks for this great series! Dylan is probably my second favourite rock pop musician, and it's stupid that I mostly only know his early stuff.

  • @xvx5872
    @xvx5872 7 месяцев назад +1

    I like this album... equally as any other dylan album.
    In other words I don't dislike it more than them. However I aint a bob dylan fan.
    Also, I couldn't tell you how his best release is in any way better than this one. I can't tell the difference between a good dylan song and a bad one.
    I couldn't tell you how the best dylan song is any better than some songs sung by yoko one on double fantasy.
    Actually, some of those songs by her are not bad. I don't like yoko, but I'll be damned if some of those songs aren't catchy.

  • @TrekBeatTK
    @TrekBeatTK Месяц назад +1

    Oh yeah, forgot to warn you this is the “la la la” era.

  • @painless465
    @painless465 7 месяцев назад +2

    I always liked Copper Kettle, but that’s really it. The next album from 1970, which got way less fanfare upon release, is probably his most overlooked album, and I love it. Are you guys doing Greatest Hits Vol 2 from 1971? Or commenting on his Bangladesh set?

  • @michaelbenz8092
    @michaelbenz8092 7 месяцев назад +2

    If he hadn't done this, he may never have been artistically free enough to open his heart as he does on Blood on the Tracks.

  • @rockingbirdey
    @rockingbirdey 7 месяцев назад +2

    If this wasn't a double album, it'd be quite tolerable. As it is...oof.

  • @collinmurr3207
    @collinmurr3207 7 месяцев назад +2

    I don't have any strong feelings about Self Portrait either way. It just doesn't really feel like an album in the way that the albums before or after do. It's a collection of songs from the time, and some are fine to listen to. I agree with Dylan about Copper Kettle, which is great, and I enjoy the old country covers with his crooning voice. Take Me As I Am (Or Let Me Go) feels particularly pointed. The history behind it is probably more interesting than the music itself. Great discussion as always! I'm really looking forward to New Morning, which I think is one of his most consistent albums.

  • @Logan_Irrelevant
    @Logan_Irrelevant 7 месяцев назад +3

    I only got properly into Bob Dylan early this year, and it’s only February, but as I have been going in chronological order of each and every one of his Albums and researching the shit out of everything Dylan in chronological order, I have analyzed the shit out of all the Albums up until this one and that’s when I found you guys.
    Went back to your first videos because I love that feeling of a shared journey from skeptic to absolute obsessed maniac, sadly I don’t think you exactly became obsessed but I sure as hell have and it’s great to follow along with you guys in the future.
    You guys, especially Dylan who acts as me in this situation lol, have such insightful takes and viewpoints on each of these Albums and individual songs and it’s amazing to see just how interesting the stuff Dylan did is. Also dude, to see you go from straight up detractor of Dylan to a somewhat fan has been great because you get to experience the growth of Bob Dylan as an artist as it happens (kind of) and having done that myself and still with this and the rest of his Albums to go, I’m glad to have found this channel/series, you’ve got a subscriber, don’t give up on this series guys!

  • @shane.b.
    @shane.b. 7 месяцев назад +2

    All the tired Sevey's in the sun
    How am I s'pose to get any rankin' done?

  • @JimBrink-ko1zk
    @JimBrink-ko1zk 7 месяцев назад +1

    Honestly Bob never made a bad album

  • @grunntalll
    @grunntalll 7 месяцев назад +1

    i like the opening melody!

  • @awrogers3013
    @awrogers3013 7 месяцев назад +3

    Love the series and the journey…

  • @NormHiscock-j3z
    @NormHiscock-j3z 7 месяцев назад +2

    Loving the deep dive into the Dylan discography series. This double album is an odd but droll recap of his 60's journey. It's sort of a fun house mirror of an album. I'm excited about your New Morning review. It's one of my favorite Dylan albums.

  • @michaelfendrich1864
    @michaelfendrich1864 7 месяцев назад +2

    Joe, I'm right with you. I can listen to "Self-Portrait" but what I am not is challenged. Not bored but not challenged. But what I will never know is the weight of being "the poet of a generation" and the pressure, the expectation that comes with that. When interviewed by Cameron Crowe for the 1985 compilation "Biograph", Dylan said about this album, "Also, I wasn't going to be anybody's puppet and I figured this record would put an end to that...I was just so fed up with all that 'who people thought I was' nonsense."
    Dylan gives a good defense of the album, things I hadn't thought about. But maybe didn't I think about it because I'm living in "Blonde on Blonde" or "Highway 61 Revisited". So I need to give it a more thoughtful listening.
    I do wrestle with his output from 1970 - 1973 but again, this is from 20/20 hindsight of this being between the 1960's masterpieces and "Blood on the Tracks" and beyond. Perhaps I have been unfair. But realistically, I'm going no more than 3 stars. Maybe I just don't wander around that well when I know what he can do.
    Great episode, love the interplay between you both.

    • @dylanseveymusic
      @dylanseveymusic 7 месяцев назад +3

      Nice, thoughtful response, Michael. I totally understand your feelings about this time period, though I do hope you’ll potentially give New Morning a listen ahead of (or in conjunction with) our next episode. I do think it’s beneficial to not just consider his studio albums when evaluating the early 70’s. If you look beyond them, there’s a bit of a clearer picture:
      - Self Portrait (w/ outtakes from Bootleg Vol. 10)
      - New Morning (same as above)
      - “Watching the River Flow” b/w “When I Paint My Masterpiece” (June 1971 single)
      - The Concert for Bangla Desh appearance
      - “George Jackson” single (November 1971)
      - Greatest Hits Vol. II, featuring new recordings of “Down in the Flood”, “You Ain’t Goin’ Nowhere”, and “I Shall Be Released”
      - Appearance with the Band NYE 1971, as captured on their Live at the Academy of Music 1971
      - Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid
      And, of course, the 1973 Dylan album, which you can either listen to after all of this or in conjunction with the Self Portrait/New Morning sessions they came from.
      Thanks for watching!

    • @michaelfendrich1864
      @michaelfendrich1864 7 месяцев назад

      @@dylanseveymusic Thanks Dylan. I will do that.

  • @maggiebryan2355
    @maggiebryan2355 7 месяцев назад +2

    I like quite a few on self portrait

  • @Vanessa.P
    @Vanessa.P 7 месяцев назад +2

    Been really looking forward to Joe's reaction to this one. I didn't hate it but I didn't love it either. Definitely some interesting stuff here though.

  • @walterjanaro42
    @walterjanaro42 7 месяцев назад +1

    Back in 1970, I can see why fans would be disappointed but, with the perspective of so much time having passed, it is an interestingly quirky nugget in the catalogue (3 stars for me).

  • @1rwjwith
    @1rwjwith 7 месяцев назад +1

    Hey JOE, I don’t feel you should have to “get it” …your opinion is valid either way. As far as TIRED HORSES…its kind of an artists decision to do what he did here…he wrote it and had these singers perform it! Interpreting it …anybody doing that is just putting their own spin on it.. For me it is what it is…! It is kind of intriguing at first but goes on way too long thats my review on the song. The rest of the album seems like he just wanted to go into a studio and cut tunes! Simple as that….why read more into it. I give the whole thing a C+ …overall it rates low on my Dylan hierarchy of albums. Its cool at points and then you want to move on for certain tunes… I am not a fan of that oddball crooner voice! Thats it….

  • @Bizzle65
    @Bizzle65 7 месяцев назад +2

    All The Tired Horses. What a tune. Haunting.

  • @suartgilmour4540
    @suartgilmour4540 7 месяцев назад +1

    Y'all forgot about Days Of '49 ("Oh My Goodness!"). SP is confusing, as on one hand Dylan was sending a F' you to all the hippies that saw him as a prophet, but he was also reportedly taken aback by the level of hostility that the album received. It's an enjoyable listen imo, especially if you remove the worst tracks, and yes, Copper Kettle is beautiful. The Bootleg Series volume - Another S P, is a treasure trove - a wonderful collection that's just full of great alternative version and previously, unreleased songs. Stuart

  • @Shah-of-the-Shinebox
    @Shah-of-the-Shinebox 7 месяцев назад +1

    The Self-Portrait album is the one album that i unequvically call Dylan's worst (just my opinion). A murky collection of poorly recorded live cuts, lazy covers and uninspired originals. Not an album i revisit. The album that came after was considerably better.

  • @timothybyrne5640
    @timothybyrne5640 7 месяцев назад +1

    Let dŕuinm😊

  • @MarkusKamau
    @MarkusKamau 7 месяцев назад +1

    Dylans move to upstate New York (at the advice of manager Grossman) evidently ended badly. Sessions in Big Pink with The Band probably were great. But Woodstock happened and how many of those lost hippies ended up at Dylans doorstep? It must have been hard. I accept that he said fuck it and slapped out Self Portrait. But this is not something that I want to listen to.

  • @ronreynolds1610
    @ronreynolds1610 7 месяцев назад +1

    ''Think Different'' as Steve Jobs said of his admiration of Dylan .... and Led Zeppelin 3 goes ''acoustic '' in the same year and some thought they were getting soft. In retrospect the music industry will get heavy with ''country rock'' bands ...The Eagles have not put an album out at this time yet ....

  • @jeffderwin2330
    @jeffderwin2330 7 месяцев назад +1

    This Dylan fanatic doesn't hate this album, but I don't share some of the critical re-evaluation about this. I like it to an extent, but it is bottom tier Dylan. I love "Days of 49 - a traditional song that shows Dylan had his heart into this project. I also appreciate some of the other covers, but there are moments of absurdity on this album. Only 8 originals - including four live tracks (many not great, although "The Mighty Quinn" delivers). The other four include the opener where Dylan doesn't sing, and "Wigwam" which is almost a parody of his voice. I did find some charm here - certainly if one compares this to the unauthorized outtake album "Dylan."

  • @rochdale33
    @rochdale33 7 месяцев назад +1

    I am new to most Dylan, like Joe. I created a playlist on Amazon Music of the songs in exact chronological order for these sessions. I used the Another Self Portrait versions that had no overdubs and avoided the overdubbed versions. Those were overdubbed months later! I quite enjoyed almost all of the songs, so it must be the overdubbed versions that are bad?? I was pleasantly surprised.

  • @pisongsea
    @pisongsea 7 месяцев назад +2

    For those that might be unaware, Bootleg Series 10 : Another Self Portrait is absolutely fantastic and far superior to Self Portrait.

    • @dylanseveymusic
      @dylanseveymusic 7 месяцев назад +2

      Yup, I mention it about 26 times in the episode.

    • @pisongsea
      @pisongsea 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@dylanseveymusic I posted this before watching 🤦‍♂️

    • @ronreynolds1610
      @ronreynolds1610 7 месяцев назад

      Greil Marcus reconsidered his original opinion when the Bootleg Series 10 was released ...@@dylanseveymusic

  • @PabloReyesVelasco
    @PabloReyesVelasco 7 месяцев назад +1

    I love Alberta #1 and enjoy The boxer for the two dylan voices harmonicing.

  • @danielpattison3422
    @danielpattison3422 7 месяцев назад +1

    For me.. the whole self portrait project was sweetened with the Bootleg series and in a way should be taken all together as a whole... to see the full clear image.

  • @patrickshawl7189
    @patrickshawl7189 7 месяцев назад +1

    I once heard from a classical musician that All The Tired Horses reminded her of the prelude to a play to settle the audience into a mood

  • @neiltheblaze
    @neiltheblaze 7 месяцев назад +6

    I was 17 years old when this record came out, and I had to mow lawns (with hay fever) to earn LP money - and subsequently paid twice the normal asking price for what turned out to be a first-class turd - one which no amount of posthumous polishing can turn into a good album. At the time, I felt ripped off - I felt spit on by someone I admired. Years later, it's still a snooze but I don't care anymore. It's just music, and I'm not so prone to being a fan of anybody at this point.
    But I gotta say: this deep freeze turkey of a record could be obliterated from all human consciousness and posterity would be missing nothing.

    • @dylanseveymusic
      @dylanseveymusic 7 месяцев назад +2

      “Deep freeze turkey of a record” is my new favorite phrase.

  • @dtchinacat3973
    @dtchinacat3973 7 месяцев назад +1

    Self Portrait is pretty bad, you will like the next album a lot more?

  • @monster900900
    @monster900900 7 месяцев назад +1

    would be fair to say bobs lowest point in what otherwise is a great new decade for bob ,, got to number 1 in the uk ,, so some people really liked it !!

    • @Bizzle65
      @Bizzle65 7 месяцев назад

      No, they didn’t like it. They bought it because it was the new Bob Dylan album. He was so huge at the time it was always going to sell loads. Very few people actually liked it. (I did and still do!)

  • @MartinLindnerDigital
    @MartinLindnerDigital 7 месяцев назад

    Not much to discuss here, it is not as awful as I remember it from my early fandom days ... What I really miss is the "lost album" that could have been, collecting in-between-songs like "When I Paint My Masterpiece" (a favorite) and "Watching the River Flow". "More Greatest Hits" (1971) was the record that turned me in a real follower when I was 13 (in 1974), and it had these two favorites (and "Mighty Quinn", which I like). There were some other nice ones like "George Jackson", "Wallflower" etc. And I really love the atmosphere of "New Morning", of the whole album. (Not sure when I did hear it first, though, probably after "Blood On the Tracks", which just blew me away right from the start. Only then I bought all his records one after a another.)

  • @chrisdelisle3954
    @chrisdelisle3954 7 месяцев назад +2

    Joe, please don't feel bad about not liking John Wesley Harding. It's not that great. There are so many other albums worth your attention.

  • @xvx5872
    @xvx5872 7 месяцев назад +1

    So here's the thing I just noticed about Dylan lyrics...
    Do you think they make sense? Well, check out brian eno's album before and after science.
    Which has lyrics that don't make sense.
    Then tell me if you're average dylan song makes any more sense than that.
    Give you one example. One random ass lyric on that: 'what to do , what to do on a tiny canoe.'
    One more alright? 'splish splash we were raking in the cash.'

  • @prangbro
    @prangbro 6 месяцев назад +1

    There is no bad Bob, good and bad is for mortals. If you don’t think this record is great you are severely lacking in jokermen mindset

    • @TastesLikeMusic
      @TastesLikeMusic  6 месяцев назад

      You’re not a serious person. - Joe

    • @prangbro
      @prangbro 6 месяцев назад

      @@TastesLikeMusicI am a jokerman

    • @prangbro
      @prangbro 6 месяцев назад

      @@TastesLikeMusic and you are a walking antique

  • @SpaceCattttt
    @SpaceCattttt 7 месяцев назад +2

    What is this shit? 😂

  • @curly_wyn
    @curly_wyn 7 месяцев назад +3

    Yep. It’s a dead horse that been driven into the ground deeper than the digging at the Russian Kola peninsula, but it’s true!
    Self-Portrait is god-awful! 😚🤗🩶