Tom Taylor Still Doesn’t Get Why Gay Superman Failed
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Superman Son of Kal finally finished after being cancelled early this year. Writer Tom Taylor made the rounds talking about the series but still doesn't get why Superman Son of Kal El failed. It appears Tom Taylor is still clueless despite the abundance of information that explains why sales tanked and DC Comics fans stopped supporting the book. Wes and Jim from Weird Science talk about Superman Son of Kal El, Tom Taylor and where it all went wring. Clueless Tom Taylor still doesn't get why gay Superman failed.
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Listen, the problem with Jon is not him being gay, it’s that without any real character development or struggle, nothing feels like it’s real or earned. Jon was aged up before we got any really meaningful stories that solidified his character in people’s minds. Super Sons was fun, but it wasn’t character defining. He was kidnapped and abused in a volcano by an evil version of his dad, but the only thing we get from it was he thought Nightwing would save him (?) Instead of showing Jon struggle filling his father’s shoes (which might of endeared him to the readers), Tom Taylor and DC took the modern approach by having him nearly flawless which makes it feel like a forced agenda. So many heroes are loved because of their flaws since their struggles to overcome them is a lot of what makes them a hero in the first place.
Whata worse is supersons was probably the best thing for Jon and Damian characters since it was the first thing having both of them really explore not only who they are as individuals but both having a legacy they are having to live up to.
Their adventures were cute and layed ground work for bigger potential stories. But it all just kind of fell to the way side.
The problem as I brought up before is that we never ever got to see my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and develop naturally.
That may be true, but if you're being completely honest with yourself, you KNOW it's mostly because people these days can't seem to stand it whenever anything is perceived as "woke."
@@Shadowkey392 personally i am just tired of the word woke because it means nothing now of days but despite the point, why can't we just admit its just bad writing.
Nah Nigguh, that is tha Problem.
Tom should never be allowed to write anything in-canon ever again.
his Nightwing is kinda fun tho
@@seijiren5115 nightwing was always fun. Tom taylor has no idea what fun is that's y he writes a superman who proudly doesn't punch anything even if it's necessary
My sentiment exactly
@@bigboss4425 New 52 and Rebirth Nightwing were not fun, they were mostly terrible and peaked at "it's alright, I guess". Taylor's Nightwing run has been fantastic
@@truthinator5429 Only because you have no intellectual integrity or good taste.
That "inspirational" excuse from Tom Taylor is ridiculous. Kal-El aka the real Superman "punched people" for decades and is still the most inspirational superhero in history because he was still well written (with a few exceptions of course) and well developed as a character overall since day one. Doesn't matter if Jon didn't punch people if he was still poorly written all this time.
Plus...
A SUPERHERO PUNCH VILLAINS NO MATTER HIS OR HER SEXUALITY...
Thats the show, The epic battles, The powers and of course the Values the Hero defend and the Villain wants to attack.
Seriously, i'm a comicbook reader since many years who is debating if he is bi or not, and this is one of the most offensive arguments i ever heard...specially From a writter.
“…overall since day one.” This, exactly. Writers nowadays want to act like they’re the first ones to talk about issues and “speak for the little guys”, but Superman was doing all that back in the 1930s and ‘40s. There are early Superman stories dealing with subjects such as war profiteering, exploitation of miners (Not a typo; I literally mean people who work in mines), reckless drivers, juvenile delinquency, and abuse in orphanages. Plus the people Superman helped were actually victims, unlike supposed victims in stories today who whine and rave, yet seem to be doing perfectly well for themselves. Superman has always cared about people, so the critics making claims like, “Superman just punches things! He’s never helped anybody!” are just plain wrong.
@@karaoconnoraliasraidra The people who criticize "punching supervillains" are intentionally ignoring the part where fighting evil is the active part of protecting good. If an evil alien dictator wants to conquer the Earth, the best way to deal with that is for Superman to break his weapons, defeat his armies and punch him in the face to send him packing. Would it be the "greater good" to allow said dictator to conquer and enslave the Earth? Of course not.
But these critics don't even know what good and evil are, the truth is THEY want to be the dictators controlling people and forcing them to behave the way they see is good. They want to lecture and shame people into obeying them. They are vile and petty little people.
I still say … de-age Jon… restart
the Supersons. Let’s pretend none of what has happened… happened !
Who’s with me?!🙋🏿♂️
me🙋🏻♀️🙋🏻♀️
make the adult Jon clone
and the real young Jon in prison in space or earth 3
@@missmeme3946 great idea
Let’s Bobby Ewing the shit out of this character!!
Of course Taylor loves John's and Jay's relationship. He was the one who wrote it. That guy is so full of himself...
Why are there so many LGBTQ writers in comics? They all seem unhinged and need to add their own mental health struggles to the storylines.
Tom is not out of the closet yet, so he is using comics to work up the courage it seems.
It's partially out of pity and partially out of the higher-ups need to purge their own liberal guilt by hiring incompetent, unqualified people who tick boxes and work cheap in an industry where no one actually reads the product. DC/Marvel now almost entirely survives by completionists, collectors and speculators who don't even open the comics they buy.
Here are some hypothesis:
1) It's an art form. For centuries, queer people have been present at a high level at a surprisingly high amount in numerous art forms (fashion, makeup, music, literature, dancing, etc.)compared to other sectors. They are a minority of the population, yet a lot of them have been super present and recognized as masters of their craft.
2) The government-issued Diversity Equity and Inclusion incentives and obligations.
3) The youth asked for representation and companies either jumped on the train too late to profit from their despair or they thought that customers would be satisfied with mediocre-to-terrible stories as long as some boxes were checked. As a result, they produced mediocre stories that felt like pandering, alienated their base by ruining beloved characters, and the woke base they were pandering to because the characters sucked and series where the main character or author was "diverse" got cancelled.
Tom Taylor --- A legend in his own mind.
Are you sure you used the righr pronoun for Tom Taylor?
Legend? More like bellend.
@@romaricogalvez1024 Pronouns on Infinite Earths is Taylor's next DC project as Jon Kent marches in the streets of Metropolis advocating for gender neutral washrooms in Smallville's gas stations. Every panel will redefine the DCU for decades to come!
I agree the Jon Kent run hasn't been any good and that it exists mostly to pander, but Taylor has one of, if not the best resumes in comics over the last decade. Injustice, DCeased, Dark Ages, Spidey and Nightwing were all fantastic comics.
@@knocklesnaryeah he should just stick to writing au stories, it’s clear that he is more in his element when he can do whatever he wants not constraint by the character
Not seeing Jon grow up meant not seeing Clark & Lois raise him - equally tragic!
Queer heroes don’t sell. There’s not enough queer fans in comics to float those books. The “ Gayer” the books get,the harder they flop because that’s NOT THE AUDIENCE. They keep trying to sell vegan food to carnivores. It’s not going to work.Superheroes are male power fantasies and no straight man fantasizes about kissing another dude,” Boo”ing up with another man. Just is what it is.Whether it’s Superman,Iceman,Robin,X-Men,or Midnighter.It’s the literal Kiss of Death to your book.
I agree but Midnighter was actually a good character and his sexual preference never defined his character. Jon Kent, Robin, Iceman, etc are definitively defined by their sexuality which makes them unappealing. In fact, most gay superheroes who existed before 2012 weren't defined by their sexuality either
Movies too. Look at the boxoffice failures "Bros" and "Spoiler Alert".
@@theblueoctopus4494 And Strange World.
I don't agree
Jon costantine is pretty popular just for sayng
@@theblueoctopus4494 bros fail ed because people don't watch anymore rom comedy at cinema
And is a mediocre movie
"Sheer F***ing Hubris." 🤦🏻♂️ Tom Taylor's, that is.
It's so weird that he brags about not punching telling how out of touch he is. Just ask any superhero fan what they like in comics and most will say "love them just to see the hero's punching bad guys". But that guy lives in a fantasy world, does he still post screenshots online that say he's No 1 on Amazon and then you look on the site and he's like 20th in gay YA books only
Nobody asked for a Superman replacement, less a woke one. It also didn't help calling Superman in interviews a "white saviour" to bring people on board.
Exactly.
It wasn’t bad during the Reign of the Supermen. Each character was unique and it was FUN.
The latter being the most important part!
This "run" was never about telling the story of Jon Kent coming into his own as a son of Superman, it was a series of events to grab news headlines.
*Jon is bisexual*
*Jon comes out to his parents*
*Jon comes out to the JLA*
*Jon comes out to the world*
*Jon comes out to a hedge vaguely shaped like the Dahli Lama*
Tom Taylor gets a headline and back pats for how progressive he is, gets a brief high off his own farts, then the hubbub quiets down, rinse and repeat.
Like 3 or 5 percent of the population but media would have believe that its like 40 percent.
To be fair there are a lot of things Tom Taylor doesn't get.
Man, it feels like freaking yesterday when Jon Kent was presented to us as part of DC Rebirth (memba that?) and he was an instant hit with readers.
Then Bendis came along (**thunder crashes horses whinny**) and decided a Super character that everyone likes is a bridge too far and decided to age him up in a storyline that no one asked for, shoved Jon onto the Legion (well, HIS version of the Legion that re-introduced us to an even older Rogul Zaar) then after he left the Superman franchise in a worse place than before, Taylor comes along and.......ugh.
I made a comment on another video about how WB and DC Comics seemed to want us fans to stay away, and this just reminds me of more of the same.
Finally. The nightmare is over.
Till next year that is.
Honestly I think the 90s Superboy was better. You could say be was a product of his times but he was entertaining for his times too.
Same thing with the pre-Crisis Superboy.
Sorry Wes Jon Kent coming out as gay or bi ABSOLUTELY RUINED THE CHARACTERS.
The S on Jon's chest was Sexualityman not Superman.
All the readers knew it was PANDERING. The customers responded accordingly.
Also the fact, El family bloodline requires children. XD LOL
We know Bi in comics actually means gay
@@PaulSmith-nb6md yeah Bi is a way to try to create some plausible deniability amongst non-gay non-woke fans. It's not working. Tim & Jon haven't been bi at all. Plus bi is exceptionally rare on sexuality spectrum.
@@FantomKat True. And I say that as a bisexual male. I still vastly prefer women as it is more of a even the men I have been attracted to were feminine looking.
@@FantomKat Which is pretty impressive, given that the entire alphabet community composes only 3.8% of the population, AT MOST. I personally think that figure is a bit high.
Letting Bendis age up Jon Kent was DC’s worst mistake since Jon was conceived as a character. Who was even asking for that, anyway?
Really? You can't think of a single worst mistake in the last 7 years? Not one?
@@knocklesnar
Don’t worry, I was only talking about mistakes directly related to Jon Kent as a character. When it comes to DC as a whole, I’m well aware of Heroes In Crisis, The New 52, and all the other crap they’ve been doing over the years.
Tom Taylor doesn’t understand Superman or Jon Kent. I’m going to say this and stick to my guts. Characters like Jon and Tim Drake who got the BMB Iceman treatment got their characters destroyed because their sexuality is the focus and they can’t struggle.
Now if Editorial team and Jim Lee with co-Publisher did their job. Jon could have been something special because he could have struggled with saving the world. Jon and Yara possibly relationship could have been expanded on, his friendship with Damian. I don’t blame Tom Taylor.. I blame the Editors. Jon Kent didn’t need the sexual orientation swap.
Jon Kent in DCeased is just awesome. Whatever it was that Tom tried to push wasn’t Jon Kent.
Yeah he felt like a superman in training
Jon Kent in DCeased is also written by Taylor
Oh, he gets it. He understands why he failed. It's games to avoid taking accountability for his failure. He's not ignorant, he's furious.
It failed because his modern audience didn't exist...
These people are never capable of admitting that people don't like their work.
When the audience that Tom Taylor is trying cater to doesn't buy the book, that should tell DC that you don't push agenda on superheroes.
There are so many lgbt characters and to make Jon Kent bi just to make the news is insulting. It's disrespectful to the legacy of Superman. Jon Kent should've stayed a little kid so we can see that bond between father and child. I loved seeing Clark be a doting father.
Literal Principal Skinner meme
Wasn't this the run where they had Superman's son protest rather than fixing the problem, which was very well possible with his powers and abilities? You know in the super hero genre which is normally full of action. Which relationships are nothing new for superheroes but normally you know. They are part of the story, like Spider-man struggling to deal with his personal life and life as a superhero. Not just a romance novel. For I believe most who read a superhero story want a bit of actions, heroes being heroes, fighting villains. If you want to focus on romance and nothing else. The romance genre might be more fitting than the superhero genre. Along with not needing to worry about action. For if a writer going to write in a genre known for action, they shouldn't be surprise when people want a bit of action. Can someone explain to me how pros you know professionals can't understand simple logic?
Which yeah the video sums up the issues with passing down the torch stories in the comic industry. The character who is meant to take up the old heroes name, is just off the bat better, doesn';t really struggle or learn. There is no real challenge. No need to do stuff to live up to the name. That or they do the whole had the power they needed all along in the worst way possible. Which yeah the whole doesn't punch people, is Tom aware he is writing a superhero story? I mean sure you can stop bad guys without punching them, with heat vision or if this character was a mage with magic but that would be creative. Only I don't think that was the intention behind these words.
Someone pointed out one of the protesters (I forget if it were Jon, the boyfriend, or someone else in the scene) had a sign reading, “There is no Earth 2 [or maybe it was “Earth B”]!” That slogan is meaningful in the real world, but not in DC Comics which has dozens of occupied/life-sustaining planets as well as a myriad of other universes which also have an untold number of occupied/life-sustaining planets (including a myriad of other Earths). 🌎 🌍 🌏
The crazy thing about hype is...that it can died easily. Tom Taylor had the chance. And he had the hype but he told the wrong story. Which ultimately failed, instead telling what could have been a great story. He's fighting with people online.
He writes him any other character (Harley being one) like shit.
Injustice jumped the shark in year 3 when Harley Quinn became a main character. She did typical modern Harley where she pretends to be stupid and illiterate to be "cute" then snapping into strong brilliant phd whammin at a moments notice. Which is textbook borderline personality behavior but Ton Taylor and the supposed heroic characters don't notice. And her role as an accomplice in the murder of Lois Lane is completely ignored.
@@jbbrolic exactly👍it's such a mess now
Who would have thought that pandering to the smallest demographic in society wouldn't equal big sales?...
Thank you, I've been saying that for months now, the LGTBWMNOP does not equal sales of any kind, it does the opposite
I think Connor Kent would have done better for Tom’s storyline. I wish they could have kept Jon as a Super Son.
Just no
Wtf ask for gay superheros is the real question?
Tom tell us something about your superman
- he gay!!!
Ok but what else ?
- he gay!!!
Ok but the plo...
- he also bi!!!
Exactly, he can do something intesting
But hè can't
He’s also clueless about his fashion sense 😅
He did not forget anything,there is no way this was not planned to be awful...
Also, any opportunity to use an aged up Jon Kent, unless is a story about him going back to being a kid again, is a completely missed opportunity, and I will never stop being right!
It's another failed attempt to emasculate male heroes and men in general because testosterone is supposedly "toxic". Superhero comics began as a male dominated genre with the basic formula being heroes and villains having epic fights. Manga and video games are filling that void while comics are dying due to pandering to a very small percentage of society. The law of diminishing returns in action. Tom Taylor and his puppet masters don't want to admit the experiment has failed because they are going to try again at a later date. Never count them out because they play the long game.
Agreed it seems like that's all the industry wants to do is just emasculate men
Where do we start why it failed? 1. No action. Superman doesn’t throw a punch. 2. Unlikeable poorly written characters. 3. Every issue was like a propaganda piece or a focus on his sexuality. 4. Tom Taylor does not have any talent for writing.
If Son of Kal-El was someone's only exposure to Tom Taylor, they would never know that he can actually tell compelling Superhero stories when he wants to.
Well the bottom line is DC is definitely keeping Tom Taylor and that is not a good thing.
Honestly the "its Gay now" stunt on Jhon felt like defiling a coprse to me, like bendis killed Jhon and replaced him by an stranger from there he was just dead to me, and this version of him will stay dead for me or many.
Just like Tim Drakes Robin. Had a very long relationship with Stephanie Brown then one day BAM! He likes dick now. Then Stephanie is all fine and dandy with the new boy toy. Then the artwork that went into those stories. Ugh, I actually think I'm going to throw up my lunch just remembering.
Some fans support him & when other fans criticize his writing they get pissed off. I was asked"do you even read his stuff?" I have three worlds to them:Heroes In Crisis".
I am one of the few that liked most of Heroes in Crisis.lmao Emphasis on MOST
Tom Taylor- No one wrote Superman before me
Crowd- Amen
Comic readers- what the heck u talking about
To fix Jon Kent entirely, I would have him be born in the year 2001, or 14 years before Dark Crisis. His birth would happen nine years in real time (or six years in sliding time) after the death of Superman in 1992 (or 20 years before Dark Crisis), eight years in real time (or seven years in sliding time) after Reign of Supermen in 1993 (or 19 years before Dark Crisis), and five years in real time (or four years in sliding time) after Superman’s marriage to Lois Lane in 1996 (or 18 years before Dark Crisis).
He would spend the next 15 years in real time (or ten years in sliding time) - from 2001 to 2016 (or 14 to four years before Dark Crisis) - growing up in Metropolis (for the first ten years in real time, or the first five years in sliding time) from 2001 to 2011 (or 14 to nine years before Dark Crisis) and Hamilton County (for the next five years in real time) from 2011 to 2016 (or nine to four years before Dark Crisis) having a good childhood. This includes him learning about his origins from his parents, the Superman family, and the entries superhero community; and learning about his dad’s adventures from him being born on Krypton in 1928 (or 65 years before Dark Crisis) to him being raised by the Kent’s since 1931 (or 62 years before Dark Crisis) to becoming the original Superboy in 1939 (or 54 years before Dark Crisis) up to the present.
By 2016 (or four years before Dark Crisis), Jon would discover his powers, and his parents would be shocked and impressed by his powers. This would lead to him becoming the fourth Superboy (after Clark Kent Superman, Conner Kent Superman, and the New 52 version).
That same year, he would meet and team up with Damian Wayne Robin (who was 18 by this point) and would form the Supersons, which I described as the fourth generation of the World’s Finest (after Clark Kent Superman and Bruce Wayne Batman, Dick Grayson Nightwing and Kara Zoe-El Supergirl, and Conner Kent Superman and Tim Drake Red Robin). His adventures from the Rebirth Superman and Action Comics (except the Bendis run) would still happen, including his befriending Kathy Brandeen Beacon and spending time with Damian Wayne Robin and his Young Titans.
By 2017 (or three years before Dark Crisis), Jon would join Damian Wayne’s Young Titans (a combination of Young Justice and Teen Titans) because Damian believes that Jon has the potential to become a hero. That, and Damian and Jon are best friends. That same year, he, Clark, and Jon would move back to Metropolis to settle down in the city.
By 2021 (or one year before Dark Crisis), he would be in a romantic relationship with Kathy Brandeen Beacon, after years of buildup. By the time Clark Kent left Earth to be in the Warworld Saga, he told Jon and the Superman Family to try to do his best at becoming a superhero as Superboy and to keep Metropolis safe.
By Dark Crisis in the year 2022, Clark Kent would return to Earth and catch up with the entire superhero community, including meeting with his best friend Bruce Wayne Batman, the JLA, the Superman family, and his son Jon. During this, Jon would tell his dad about what he [Jon] has been doing since he [Clark] went to Warworld, including protecting Metropolis and him having Kathy as his girlfriend.
A few years after Dark Crisis (specifically between 2028 and 2033), Jon would become Earth-One’s/New Earth’s/Prime Earth’s fourth Superman (after Clark Kent, Conner Kent, and Lex Luthor (who reformed in 2016 and used LexCorp to benefit humanity and help people after finally learning Superman’s purpose and meaning)). He would try to live in his dad’s footsteps and would do his best to live up to his dad’s legacy while forging his own path.
After 2033, Jon would marry Kathy Brandeen and would have children and grandchildren (whom I assume are the same grandchildren from the Supersons comics), whose legacy would continue a lifetime into the future.
That is what I believe DC should do to fix Jon Kent.
The thumbnail is perfect😂👍
09:30 they sort of already messed with the timeline they were going to build. In the entier Super Sons run of the stories it's set up in a "old man Jon reading to his grandkids" way. And in there the implication is that the future more or less mellows out. (Especially since him and Damian are still pretty close in old age)
But the way things have gone so far sort of says that future is more or less gone. Jon is meant to be the New Superman but Damian was supposed to be the New Batman of the future. The way current writing is going sort of is pulling him away from his father's mantle.
first of all jon is not superman. i never took jon serious as superman. he still looks like a superboy. conner looks older than him.
I will say this again John Kent's Superman is bisexual who is in a gay relationship that has focused on his sexual identity and their relationship. Rather than focusing on his growth, strength, weaknesses, fears, character direction etc.etc. And if they did that then it wouldn't be such a failiure. And I'm still defending the fact that he should be more of an gritty tacticle antihero with kryptonian abilities while using combat weapons then another superman clone.
Exactly, John is just uninteresting like this
The idea lf a pacifist hero is not boring, you could do something in golden Age style
But is used just to make him do everything expect fighting evil
We don't need another generic anti-hero
@@zemox2534 And super heroes aren't? Anti-heroes can be good if written well. Explain Punisher, Deadpool, Electra, Red hood etc. Before current marvel & dc ruined them.
@@grambo4436 Deadpool always sucked.Elektra too.Comics anti-heroes can be more generic and boring than actual superheroes because almost all them behave in the same way.
@@EvandroACruz deadpool is one of the most known anti heroes and marvel characters he even got 2 movies and one is coming now is that because he sucks?
I'm looking forward to see the financial downfall of DC
This is why Tom Taylor is on Santa's naughty list
Everyone even remotely associated with turning Jon Kent into a coming of age gay romance story should be fired, flayed, publicly shamed, and never allowed anywhere near the entertainment industry ever again.
Boring Writing = Why It Failed. Taylor doesn't seem to grasp why comic readers like the Superman mythos, and failed to make his additions engaging.
Majority of the human race ia straight. So even most normes wouldn't accept a gay Superman. Nor would they buy the comic. Once people found out that it isnt Kal El Superman the buzz didn't last long. Comic book collectors and speculators bought the first issue but that was it.
Even if the writing was really good the book still wouldn't crack the top 30 books sold.
How could anyone be a fan of the guy who ruined Superman?
The whole gay Superman thing was little more than a clickbate driven PR stunt, and now its backfired. Taylor should go back to writing Zombie superhero stuff he's actually quite good at that.
What's going inside the perversed & twisted mind of Tom Taylor?
The problem here is that Jon Kent is a one dimensional, shallowly written character. The only thing that seems to stand out about him is that he likes men. They didn't take the time to develop him and give the public a chance to know him as a person.
ATT bought the DC characters (I assume) because they were recognizable brands, world-wide. But do they now own a Superman that is a paragon of virtue, the embodiment of truth and justice? Do they now own a Batman who has the resources and intelligence and determination and skill to bring SUPERvillians to justice? Do they now own a Justice League that will face any obstacle, no matter how big, and find a way to prevail? If the superhero characters have been allowed to become unrecognizable---willingly, intentionally----then the owners don't have the IP that they think they have because it has been changed, significantly.
Tom Taylor is a typical narcissist with a huge ego They feel whatever they do has purpose and it can't be criticized.
As long as they get paid for their BS then any criticism will just slide of off them like water on a duck.
Tom Taylor's SuperMan didn't sell cuz Dudes are not into tha Weird shyt when it comes to their Heroes. It's just *Not* Wholesome or *"Family Friendly."*
The problem with the non application of violence by John is that the super villains do can and will use violence in the advancement of their plans. That's part of what makes them villains. Heroes use violence in turn because of this, not because they want too. And think the audience knows this, but apparently the writer doesn't. Suoerman, Spider-Man, Daredevil, etc don't want to use violence, but they aren't gonna talk their adversaries into surrendering. And ITS ACTION/ADVENTURE for gods sake, or course the fucking audience wants to see pound the hell out of each other. Sheesh! So to punctuate it for Tom Taylor....Jon Kent is NOT Jesus Christ despite what he may think. Im glad this failed. Someone might learn a lesson but don't hold your breathe. WTF20
People bailed because it's not Clark Kent, they don't care about anyone else with the same name. They don't like mantle 'swaps'.
A superboy title went from 1993 to 2002. Like any woke mantle swap the readership will be 5 ladies all with blue hair a 5 middle aged men in dresses with a thing for teenage boys. Represenration is important to them.
@@theragoooverlord5021 Superboy is not Superman. People didn't like Jason Todd, and Tim Drake had a bit (Although not as bad as Todd) of a hard time getting accepted as Robin, for a better example. Depending how the writing is, it can take a lot for fans to accept a new character under the mask.
@@Slitheringpeanut well accepting a 10 year old boy who they aged into a teen and turned ghey is not it. Very creepy stuff
@@theragoooverlord5021 No argument there.
@@Slitheringpeanut some fans have suggested the Tom Taylor/bendis character is not the rebirth character. It could be an earth 3 version that came back from space after being tortured for 7 years by earth 3 look alikes of superman and lois.
And so ends the tale of Pacifist TMI superman, who's cryptonite is not being able to read the room or know his audience. And his audience is the yayoi booth at a comic con next to the soy lattes
I don't particularly buy comics to see Superman as an activists
No one would have a problem with Jon Kent being Bi if Dc didn’t market their whole book series around that. The ass writing to the blatant messaging about climate change and other shit, this book failed because Tom Taylor’s view of heroism is saying to your father, who’s legacy is large and impactful, that he didn’t do enough in his time on earth, and having a cape with the pride flag on it.
The saddest thing is in the right circumstances (being confined to a mini seems to be one) Tom can write a good story, because Batman the Detective was solid
The entire 5G initiative, including this one, failed due to an exceptionally poor management that went with cost cutting measures that brought in inexperienced writers that were not prepared. As a result, DC is a fading giant. Sad.
The fact that Superman kissed a guy is pointless since 7.5 million-ish gay Americans did not bother reading it either
Because NOBODY asked for there to be a gay Superman.
Now I don’t read the book but from what I can tell he just hung out with his self insert boyfriend, who just happens to be “invincible.?” What the fu*k? So there just happens to be a pink haired guy who is invincible, and Superman falls for him? Riiiight…
So the thing is Superman’s boyfriend will never have to be rescued by Superman because nobody can harm him? That is the tale you want to tell? What is interesting about that?
What kind of superhero book is that? I guess one that gets canceled.
I really enjoyed Tom Taylor's Dark Ages book over at Marvel and that's the only work he's put out that I've enjoyed.
Tom Taylor had change and tokenized a character’s sexuality for publicity stunt is literally 5 minutes of Fame.
If Taylor wants the fame back he retcon Teen Jon to be a different character and bring Kid Jon Back. But Tom Taylor can’t handle that kind of Fame from the twitter mob with his thin skin.
Writers and editors don’t want their characters to struggle unless they fight artificial bigots or imagery toxic fans labeled with Buzzwords.
In Dial H for Hero Superman literally Say these words to Miguel Montez who is grieving about the death of his parents, Clark said “I am sorry I wasn’t there. I can’t be everywhere. And Superman hugs Miguel. Miguel is sad but he doesn’t blame or hate Superman, Miguel Understand. And the nerve of Jon Kent said to his own dad, Jon himself is better than him and Clark is not doing enough. Tom Taylor get your head out your butt.
I said this before When Clark returned to earth in Son of Kal-El issue 16 Jon Kent should’ve Apologized to his Dad after understands the struggles and responsibility of being Superman.
Oh God why kind of hero joins with Terrorists?
Connor Kent would Step up to be hero to the world if Flashpoint and New 52 Never Happened. And I trust Kenny Porter’s Superboy is better than Tom Taylor’s Son of Kal-El
I might misremembering but didn’t Christoper Priest’s Black Adam sold more than Son of Kal-El?
While Tom Taylor is clueless DC is Clueless themselves. Because DC March 2023 announced they Expanded Megan Fitzmartin’s Tim Drake series into Ongoing series. Dang it, I won’t see Perch’s Tim Drake Sales Analysis anytime soon. And even rational criticism can’t stop Fitzmartin’s Karen Privilege. DC I love you but you are losing money by pushing and enabling these hacks and I can’t help you if that happens.
Don't buy new comics anymore (prices mostly) but I will pay devil's advocate on one thing. The best part about the Superman: The Movie is how he's more concerned with rescuing people than punching them. Even when he is forced to fight in the second one, he's rescuing other people on the street at the same time.
Tom know exactly why the book was cancelled for.
We are not letting him play the “goo goo gar gar” Brain as yo boi would say.
Only a complete idiot would believe that any of these so called pros don’t get why they are failing or why the customers where angry with what had been done.
Just off the top of my head, I think it would have been cool to see Jon going up against superman rogues, trying to be everywhere at once and saving people. And having a hard time with it, thinking "dad, how do you do this. Then maybe have a legacy character come in and mentor him. Maybe martian manhunter (because where the hell has he been?) Or someone. Maybe team up with damien again. But show Jon struggling with it and eventually overcome these challenges and live up to his father's legacy. And see him actually become the hero he needs to be if he's going to walk in his father's shoes. Just a quick thought, and it's pretty standard simple comic book stuff, but I think that would have been a lot better than what we got.
I have a very bad feeling about the upcoming black version of Superman movie by J.J. Abrams and Ta-Nehisi Coates. I have a feeling that he will not only make Clark Kent/Kal-El a black man instead of a white man, but he will also make him a bi-sexual, too.
Furthermore, I even think that not only will Sandra Calle be hired again to play a Latin-American version of Supergirl, but she will also be a bi-sexual version of Kara Zhor-El just as well. They will make her much more powerful and stronger than Supergirl and they will make them both a lot more dangerous, and deadlier than the way that they actually are in the DC Comics comic books. These two super-hero characters will be shown as violent extremists who are fighting for civil rights, L.G.B.T.Q. + rights and women's rights by using their god-like super-human powers in order to wage a politically zealous war on homophobia, racism, and sexism.
Warner Bros./Discovery Pictures and DC Studios are both going to work with Bad Robot Productions, and David Zaslav and James Gunn will approve of it. DC Comics will still be soy and woke S.J.W. crap. None of the changes that they made will matter if they are still going to push this agenda.
Aging up a child character just to change his sexuality is extraordinarily weird and speaks volumes to the mainstreams obsession with child sexuality. The last 2 words in that last sentence should never even be together or be a thing anyone focuses on. Jon Kent superman as he is rn is a nothing burger of a character and will remain that way until someone with sense blows the last 7 years of DC garbage apart in yet another massive crossover retcon. I remember when those used to actually feel like special events
Gay SuperMan would have sold a billion copies worldwide if the punchline had been Doomsday killing Jon in the last panel of the last issue.
Taylor has no questions about why this sucked. Bending had no questions about why his comics sucked. Does that mean the editorial team made assurances that this would succeed?
Tom Taylor
is a woke joke*!??!! Superman is never going to be the same . Someone is going to go back in time t I make hos gay son just go away like it never happened! Like 2022 was a bad dream . Same with Tim Drake
One of my favorite Batfamily comics is Batman Annual #6 by Tom Taylor. It’s sweet, stands alone, and it’s got great character. Taylor is capable of good character work, but I wonder if he can write a plot-driven story…
One point DC, and all these companies don't get is, a lot of us don't want a replacement Superman, a replacement Batman, Spider-Man, etc. Even if Jonathan was a good character, Clark is who brought us to the dance. Does that mean there's no place for your gay, fanfic, superpowered teen? Not really. He could've chosen not to adopt his dad's identity, been a completely non violent type of crusader, worn a mask, something. And that's true of all the classics. Stealing the gimmick of the more famous hero will almost always flop, unless you alter it enough and give said character some unique depth (Hal, Barry, Ted, Jaime). Just being gay won't cut it. In fact, it drives people away. Not because they're istaphobes, but because it's poorly written, and the sole focus of a lot of these stories. If a comic reader wanted to read a gay love story, or a straight up love story starring super people, those exist, in other books. YA graphic novels, novels, fanfics, keep it there.
Bottom line, we never asked you to replace Superman, Captain America, Batman, Iron Man, etc. If you can't be original, and must ride the coattails of the main eventers, maybe you shouldn't be writing comics,
People want the original, genuine Superman, not some cheap imitation created solely for political propaganda.
Clark Kent is tender, prone to physical approach in showing affection, is a good listener and all that's good in a person and a friend of spouse. Jon Kent would have been the simmilar, being the difference that he knows he is the son of The Superman. Tom didn't knew how to right him. You could have Jon start like the more outgoing superman, supporting political causes etc. But he will grew out of it and turn into a More imparcial figure. He is not like Diana or the titans or Green Arrow or Aquaman. He is in the top 5 most strong heroes with the abbility to protect THE World. That Aldo would have impacted how is his partners profile: a guy or a gal independent enough to not rely on him that much, that understands the hurtles of the double life and it's prepare to not have a family and knows that he maybe will die in action one day. Having him going of dates as a subplot with that in mind would maybe gave us a good new gal or guy character. But no, being with the Superman familu is like being in the crown: do not exposed anything, do not get in danger, the heroes are protectors and leaders not political rulers, the heroes may die and their villains will hunt you, do not give them that chance.
Accidentally punches someone... to bad Tom Taylor couldn't Accidentally write a semi decent story.
They complain that if the introduce a diversity character, people aren't interested and the characters don't sell. But that's what they did here, even if they called him Superman. And he didn't sell.
He really could’ve made it great if he had Jon struggled with his power and his own identity. As an lgbtq youth it makes a great struggle in life and would make a story like this feel real and relatable.
Tom should see how people like his Nightwing and Suicide Squad. The problem with Jon wasn't being bi, it was that EVERY ISSUE was about that first, story second. It was all the character was, everything was driven around it. look at him in Dark Crisis, he's had awesome moments without having to "come out" every fourth page. It was used as a cudgel and a stunt, it was never organic, it was never handled like Midnighter or Apollo or any number of other no straight characters, it's become the sole identifying characteristic of the character, making him one dimensional and flat. Don't hide him being bi, there's nothing wrong with that, but make him more than JUST that. The issues like the annual versus Luthor? That was great. His appearances in Nightwing? Awesome. When he's a mopey woe is me all I need is this random guy who literally just showed up, it's boring. He like Tim Drake not only had to come out but then immediately dive into a relationship. My daughter is bi, same age as Jon. She's not dating anyone, because she doesn't need to or feel the need to "prove" her street cred.
In the movie Superman Returns, a guy I knows only criticism was HE DIDNT THROW ONE PUICN THE WHOLE MOVIE! When I told someone that, they were like, wait what? Not one punch?
He gets it, liberals just refuse to bend
Aging Jon and then making him bisexual seems like low-key grooming.
He proudly posted on his Twitter page that he signed an exclusive deal with DC Comic. I tweeted a reply asking him which characters he was going to ruin in the coming year. I expect to be blocked within the next 24 hours if not already, lmao.
Yeah, let's start calling Jon what he actually is now. Gay. He's never going to date another woman.
99% of us are straight. Thats why. Most people dont like gay stuff they just dont say so publicly. Someones sexuality isnt a plot to a story. Comics are for kids. When you try to push gay stuff on kids people dont like that. Theres dozens of more reasons but those are the main ones.
Its all billboard. There is no character outside THE MESSAGE. SO that's why so many Deadstream characters fail nowadays.
Repeat after me: The comic failed because noone with a vested interest in Jon Kent as a character wanted him turned into a card-carrying member of the Peter-Puffer Brigade.
So they forgot the action in Action Comics? That book that Superman came out of?
You know, in all fairness, Jon Kent doesn't need to struggle with being bi. I get that. But did Taylor forget that CK struggled with his life--like for 80 years? He couldn't have a singular identity. He couldn't have an open relationship with Lois. He had weaknesses.
If you wanted a bi Superman, give him something that people can identify with. Sanctimoniousness is not something I want to identify with.
I'll never buy another superman comic due to the jon nonsense. I'm not reading any gay fan fic nonsense ...ever
Superboy is more Supergirl than Supergirl 😊
Taylor and bendis and DC all failed superman and comicbook fans. That kiss was a goddamn hypocrisy shitshow firecracker because its just to sell the comicbook artificially. There was no genuine love and labor of love from the creators...meaning tom/dc editor in charge/dc decision- makers. Be safe. Mabuhay!
Who could have ever forseen this 🤣🤦♂️