HOW to TERMINATE WINTER RYE Before Straw Stage
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- HOW to TERMINATE WINTER RYE Before Straw Stage. Simple and Easy
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Cool! I've also found that using a hori hori with a serrated edge is really useful for cutting plants below the crown to terminate them as well. Just pull it up slightly and bunch it together, then saw it with the hori hori
That's a great idea! THANK YOU for sharing
Mark. Love the cover crop method of growing soil. To help terminating in the spring lay out where you want to plant your vegetables in the fall , place a brick or block in the area you will want a vegetable, then sow the cover crop. Leaving a dirt area for your spring vegetable crop
YES, great idea. But you can not do that with winter rye due to that it can grow 5 to 7 feet tall. Thanks
@@iamorganicgardening I plant rye, and yes I have to cut it , but I have a dirt only area to plug my plant into. I use the rye as early season wind shelter for tender new plants.
Sounds like that would be mostly appropriate for big plants like zucchini and tomatoes then? For a lot of other vegetables like greens, root vegetables and beans, I only space them 1-6 inches apart.
I'm still looking to see if annual rye is as allelopathic as perennial rye. At any rate, termination by zero water & zero light is so much easier. Yes, I met Ruth Stout early on.
@@judithmcdonald9001 yes there is an allopathic issue with the rye with seeds for sure and certain transplants. I have had to hoe out the crowns close to the planting area for success.
Great video Mark. I find just crimping it over with a heavy roller, then silage tarp it for a couple of weeks, remove tarp, and drill plant into the hay cover, leaving the dead grass to mat out weeds all season. This for me, is super easy and the only time the soil is disturbed is when I plant my veggies. its
always great to get other points of view and other ways of doing it and as always appreciate and respect you and your videos thank you
So, you fold it over and then block the sun from it? That’s it? Then, the dead grass becomes your mulch?
@@joybrown8644 exactly. It will keep the weeds down. You just transplant into the ground.
It is nice to hear Chickweed is beneficial to gardens but boy it is invasive in my area and hard to get rid of! I think this coming spring I will try weed wacking my winter rye cover crop, leave the green parts on soil top, add a tarp to kill the cover crop then plant around the dying roots of the rye. Thanks for a good video.
THANK YOU.
Great video Mark. By weed wacking close I have not had any issue with grow back of winter rye. I weed wack, rake it up, plant and then use the rye for mulch.
Hello There. THANK YOU for sharing your experience with winter rye.
Good to see things greening up. Your flowers are beautiful. Have a great week, Mark.
YES, so nice to se green again. THANKS
OMG! I was just coming to your page to find this out!!!
No way! Great mines think alike.
Thanks to your video last year, I'm leaving the purple dead nettle in this year for as long as possible. I have a bunch growing between two of my raised beds also that I'm not going to mow...
Awesome to hear. THANK YOU.
Ah yes, cover crop management! Any tips on the clovers, vetches, legumes, and other soil building grains Mark?
Most legumes you can keep growling in the garden as long as it does not block light or climb to much . You can say cut to the ground where you are planting also. But great to leave in pathway and between rows.
Your box bed is beautiful! I can’t wait to get mine looking that great! Beautiful spring flowers too!
Thank you! 🤗
@@iamorganicgardening I have a question. What would happen in my box beds if I opted to leave my cover crops growing and planted around them? Maybe cut them shorter if they are preventing my plants from getting light, but leaving them in and growing?
Thank you Mark Always love you videos.
That is so very kind of you to say. Many Blessing & THANK YOU.
Another interesting video. I am In central jersey. This fall was my first try at winter rye, i used it in 2 areas and It is amazing.
One area I am working on correcting the soil.
The other area is my garden. It is over run by mugwort and that purple nettle. I tried the winter rye hoping it would help fight the battle vs the mugwort.
I’m hoping to mow it down low, and cover with cardboard in the garden.
The other area, can I just leave it for the season?
I have problem with mugwort also. Hard to get rid of. Yes, you can leave it for the season. The winter rye will die off on it own after going to seed making grain again. The taller it grows the healthy the soil is. Over 4 feet tall is a good start. thanks
u vid about worm castings to stop damping off problem's was news to me. Ive used peat moss in the past with good results as well. i like u idea better because of the feeding of the plants better but casting are not so available and costly to buy if u don't raise u own worms Love u channel and always happy to see u posts. NC area here and im getting my hands dirty daily...love this time of year
THANK YOU, I understand. And YES, great time of the year. Enjoy.
What I like to do is tarp my garden a month before last frost date. That will kill my cover crop which has winter rye in it plus a bunch of other plants. After a month you will have dead plant material that you just rake to the side and plant your plants. Depending what I'm growing I will leave it to side or use it to cover my soil. BTW I don't till and I don't use chemical.
The fact that you in a z6 and I in a z3/4 have the same sorts of last frost dates (mid-late May) really, I think, puts the lie to using zones for annual gardening. You and I would plant summer small grains at around the same time, and maize at about the same time as well (end-May), despite our vastly different winter nadirs (here only the hardiest trees and shrubs are viable, you could easily grow some more tender roses).
Mark, your videos are always informative and to the point. Thank you! After watching your videos, I've used rye cover crops in my beds for three years in my no till garden. I have found that, after cutting it down, difficult to plant in. It's as if I am planting my grocery crop directly into a tightly seeded lawn. Am I broadcasting the seed too close together? Now I broadcast the seed by hand because I'm thinking I only want cover crops in my 3' wide beds. Am I going wrong in my thinking here? Should I broadcast seed in my whole garden including the walks?
Yes, use less seeds. You do not have to do the walk ways. Enjoy.
My rye is a bit taller, being in zone 7a.. Mine will be 2 ft high by mid May, so I crimp kill and plant in my tomatoes and peppers..
You can only crimp kill when it get to the stage that is in this video: ruclips.net/video/7cQMmwuAfaE/видео.html .
Hairy Fetch how hardy is it zone 6a .I understand I can use it as a ground cover near my tomatoes 🍅
Having not seen you lately glad you are back.
Thanks for helping me
Hairy Fetch is hardy up to zone 4. Your are good at 6 a
Mark, I did not terminate all of the Crimson clover in my small bed (22x18). Will the Summer Heat in zone 8 kill it off? Or do I need to go back and kill all of it Sort like the living root still scattered around.
It will die off on it own after it flowers. You might get some new clover this fall from the seeds which is great for a living root over winter.
A Kama Sickle will cut much closer to the ground, much faster. I cut the weeds in all my gardens like that, year long. Best tool for the job. And lasts for years. No need for power, no noise, you just need to develop a good technique. What you showed is a no-go for sure...
Good to know! THANK YOU.
Hi Mark, I did not read all the comments for your post as my question may have been answered. Could a silage trap be used to terminate the cover crop?
I will be doing both in a future video to fine out. THANKS for asking.
Does the winter rye die off eventually if you don't cut it back? I'm considering using it for an area to prep for the next year to loosen the soil a bit more.
Yes, When it goes to seed. Here is a video on it> ruclips.net/video/7cQMmwuAfaE/видео.html .
absolutely great idea to do cover crops and variety something to consider. yet😆😅🤣make work stuff this. for garden areas, put a tarp over it and be done with it. you will have preserved all the carbon...blessings
Very go advice, Thanks
I have old hand powered grass shears with a spring loaded squeeze handle.
Nice.. that will cut it down. Thanks
Yeah, and my hand-powered grass sheers are getting to new hands. Time to change it up. Cheers ☕
You have a great heart for helping others Mark. After watching quite a few videos on this subject, here's my plan. (We will see if it works in '23) I have planted my cover crops, including winter rye in my beds only. When it gets to 12-15" tall in the spring, I will weed whack it down to the soil level. Then I will rake the leaves back onto the beds and then cover my whole garden in 12' wide sections of landscape fabric. The landscape fabric will stop the rye from growing again and I'm left with a garden I can plant directly into in about 30 days. Another youtuber cuts it down and covers it with tarps for a month to keep the rye from coming back. In the past, it's been tough to plant through the rye. Next year, I will use a 3" drill bit on a rechargeable drill to get the job done. How is that for a Mark type experiment? We will see if it works but I'm counting on it. LOL Either way, thanks for all that you do for us. Blessings to you and your family!
Great Information. I am new at this idea of using a cover crop, I am in zone 5b. My question is what do you do with the winter rye when you cut it down?
Use it as mulch to protect the soil on top. Also see i this video: ruclips.net/video/NjE9HXEhvV4/видео.html .
Thanks a Million, that video was just what I needed. I am looking forwarded to the next planting season.
Hey question, can you cover with tarp or something like that until it does?
*dies?
Winter rye is very strong grower it will still live when green under a trap.
@@iamorganicgardening even clear plastic that kind of cooks what’s underneath?
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I’ve seen videos saying that covering it works. It just takes several weeks. 😀
Mark is there something I can cover my raised beds with besides growing and mowing? It’s too difficult for me. Wood chips?
The key is you must have a living root in the ground over winter. You can plant strawberries, herbs etc to keep this living root to grow mycorrhizal fungi to build/grow soil.
@@iamorganicgardening I get it now, thank you!
Thanks appreciate your videos
So nice of you to say, Have a great week ahead. THANK YOU.
How about weed whacking it good then cover it with black cloth to smother the green ?
Yes, that is fine. 30 days prior to planting. The black cloth only works if it is warn enough.
Good morning Mark,
If you heat it with a flame weeder will the roots die?
Have you tried that option?
Thank you, -KJ
I do not think it will kill the roots which is OK but you just have the kill off the top green growth. Yes, have tried it. Thanks.
How will you replant your Rye in the fall ? Do you till or just put the seeds over the old rye ?
Yes, I till only 1/2 inch deep no more, that is what I do. Thanks
Mark I’d just cut the grass place it on top of the bed and tarp the whole box for a month and all that grass and roots would become compost, easy? If some root stock remained you could mulch around the transplants.
Thanks for sharing.
Two questions - are you using rye the grain or rye grass (same thing?). Would tarping do as good 30 days prior?
I am using rye the grain. Not the same. I am looking into covering with tarp or cardboard. Thanks for asking
Mark,
I just terminated my winter rye on my raised beds as per this video. I then put a thin layer of finished compost then a layer of finished leaf mould on top, maybe 2 inches total. i prob wont plant for 2 to 4 weeks from now. is it ok to just leave the bed like that until i plant?
thx
Dean
Yes, all OK. Happy Planting
Wouldn’t it be better to put black plastic on top so that the grass decompose in the soil?
That only work's well at certain times of the year when it has hotter temps day and night.
Why wouldn’t you just till it under?
Mark, I think the easiest way is to drive not deep the tiller after the cut ?
Yes, I agree that 1/2 inch will not hurt . Thanks
What if you miss this stage and it’s already into ‘straw’ terminate the same? I’ve got some robust stems out the ground
Yes, if straw already cut down and us it as free mulch. Enjoy.
Oh my.....
QUESTION: Going into my 3rd season 2023. What I'm doing instead of cover crops is covering my beds with 2-3 inches of shredded leaves. Is this just as affective??? I have unlimited access to leaves and I use them all season to balance my compost bins as I add greens. Thank You.
Growing a cover crop is the best Way to build/grow soil. It makes soil aggerates ( open spaces in your soil ). I did a video on this comparing mulch to cover crops.. Click on this link: ruclips.net/video/xAovAhmZoWQ/видео.html .
That's great. I'll check it out tonight.
Thanks
Q. I am in SE Michigan. Why are you terminating the rye so soon? My winter rye is about 18-24" tall and I was going to wait until mid-May to crimp like in your June 4 2020 video. The math is tricky: maximize rye biomass, getting the transplants in on time. What are you planting in the beds? perhaps your transplants would grow well with additional biomass.
I will be direct seeding carrots and beets soon so need to cut it down now. I do wait longer for crimping time for some tomatoes variety's, peppers, eggplants ,melons, butternut. Okra. etc .
I was wondering who bought all the tulip seeds from Johnny's.......lololol couldn't you use cardboard over the crop? mine actually all die on their own. Lately I have planted like just a section of the raised bed and left open other areas for food., have you tried that? BTW I have been finding some funky looking black large square bugs on my sunflowers, do you get these?
I planted the two years ago and the tulips and daffs are still doing good. Leaving a space for plants is a great idea in winter rye. Yes, do it before. This raised bed I needed all the help from winter rye that I could get because it is new.
I live in Maine zone 5, would the winter rye die on its own in the winter?
No, it will make it through. It survives in the winter even in North Dakota. Thanks
Thank you.
So, why not just use a hand tiller to turn the winter rye into the soil?
You will undo all the work the winter rye did by growing it. It grows soils. Which means it grows microbes and air gaps. If you till you kill the microbes and destroy the air gaps an all the fungi also.
@@iamorganicgardening Ahhh, I got it. Makes sense, thanks!
I've made myself a Asian hoe ( the half moon shaped like quarter of the moon shaped from a old shovel so expect it to be sharp and tuff.I expect to cut my winter wheat below the crown and harvest as I'm killing it about a month before tomato seedlings goes into ground.
Thanks
That is going to work great. VERY NICE. thanks
10:04 Purple dead nettle. Don't pull it up. Leave for the bees.
YES, Thanks
Why not till it?
You can . BUT only 1 inch deep. You what the roots to die in the soil in place. The roots are your tillage and grow fungi which is very helpful. Thanks
@I AM ORGANIC GARDENING thank you
I am going to cover the rye with black plastic.
Thanks for sharing
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Why not just put a trap top for a few weeks To kill off
I found the traps do not work on winter rye. It will just regrow underneath and push the tarp off.
Looks like too much work. I lay unbleached cardboard over uncut cover crop then mulch heavily. Plant straight through mulch 6 to 8 weeks later. This way you retain all nutrients and maintain an undisturbed soil. It's also quick.
So GREAT to hear. THANK YOU for this.
Rye is not ready until the seed heads show up.
After watching the WHOLE video all methods are too much hard work for me. Looks like I’ll stick to hairy vetch.
If it works for you that 100% stay with it. Thanks
Dang..I'd better get busy
This was really helpful, Mark. Question: I just planted our fall cover crop -- a combination of vetch, peas, beans, and clover -- in a bed similar to yours. Here in hot, dry Zone 10A, the suggestion was to cut the tops (as you did) prior to the cover crop's flowering (to prevent re-seeding) and to simply stop irrigating. Does that sound right to you or would you suggest your approach (further weed-whacking, hoeing, pulling by hand), assuming that I don't need to plant immediately and that, like you, I don't want to till it in? Apologies if this was already asked below.
Some covers will survive drought for quite some time, but if you think drought will kill it (and I have every reason to believe it will), that might be a valid method
I suppose it's a stupid question but why not use a cover crop that is killed by the cold? In the alternate, we use the garden waste bags (the paper ones) that the leaves came in, to cover the beds. The paper kills every thing and leaves the dead plants to rot in the soil
When it's time to plant, take the bags off and voila, you got a clean bed
Great question. Keeping a living root in the soil as long as you can prior to planting seeds or transplant will give you a heathy crop. This is due to the roots growing deep in the soil, feeding microbes . letting air and water in . A living root also grows mycorrhizal fungi which is a large help to 95% plants on this planet. It increase roots by 300%. No living root , no mycorrhizal fungi that grows in side the plant root cells as a host.
instead of removing, what about just adding a inch or two of compost on top and covering it? Wouldn't this smother it out? Another option would be to cover it with a black tarp for a week
I use winter wheat in my 5a growing zone. No need to remove it. Here in North East Wisconsin we have Short Springs (great lake effect). It just dies off naturally. And you could just let the chickens and bunnies out to have 'a field day'.
VERY NICE,, Great to hear. THANKS
I alive in 7a. I have 12 raised beds. I planted a mixed cover crop in the fall everything except the rye winter killed. I cut it down and it came right back. I used my hand clippers to cut underneath the plants holding them up so I could cut underneath the soil. I left it all on top of the soil and it looks like it is dead. My beds need a couple of inches of well rotted compost to fill where it has settled so I will top off the beds on top of the decomposing rye and plant into that mostly plants because I read that rye has an allopathic effect on seeds.
Farmers plant millions of acres of winter rye each each as a cover crop. Then crimp it and plant corn and soybean seeds into it and have no problem at all. Here is a video of a Tennessee Farmer with winter rye> Click on the link : ruclips.net/video/ve5VJsNCSKo/видео.html
Cutworms are having a party in my garden this year. Extension offices recommend fall cultivation so the moths don't have living vegetation to lay eggs on, and larva have nothing to eat. I don't like bare soil , so I'm wondering if you know which cool season cover crops cutworms like the least.
To stop them their are beneficial nematodes you can buy online and put in your garden
I just use my Hula Hoe to chop and drop the cover crop, here in Arizona and thank you for sharing.
That's a great idea! Another great tip. THANK YOU.
I'd like to try a cover crop, but your suggestions for getting rid of it does not seem practical to me. I'm all about the string trimmer, but I'd be tempted to do a burn down with the remaing grass using a propane tourch and 20 gallon propane tank. Do you think that would do the job? I have over 500 sq feet of raised bed space.
First, I would do ONLY on small area to see if you can do what you say. And also you may choose a winter kill cover crop if you have winter temps. That's - 32 for at least 2 weeks.. If not use a winter kill cover crop, just do not use to many seeds at first. Seed very thin.
I planted a fall cover crop mix, last fall for the first time. I watched your other videos on how to terminate winter rye. Im in zone 4 and i was hoping it would be ready by end of May. My garden is 15x20. I need to get the winter rye out so i can get my tomatoes and other stuff in by end of May beginning of June. Im thinking about taking a hoe and chop the rye just under the soil. Its about 2 feet tall now, do you think i could also just pull it out? would that kill it?
Please cop it. If you pull it out all the work the roots did will be lost and you will hurt the soil microbes. Can you use a hedge trimer to start
Well you convinced me not to use Winter Rye. Thanks
We always have to choose what is correct for our own garden. Thanks
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I reckon you could dig it in if you have small garden beds, thats what I do with my cover crops...
i hear ya, this is simply not worth it. Natures puts weeds in my garden in the winter time, those are living roots and are MUCH easier to get rid of than winter rye sod.
Can you just put cardboard over the cut winter rye?
I am going to try cardboard and a tarp to see what happens in a up coming video. THANKS for asking
Can't use shovels if you have earthworms...don't murder your workers
Yes, No shovels. Love earthworms.
Mark, I watched another one of your videos from 5 years ago (how to plant this into that) where you cut the cover crop down, left all the trimmings and just planted a kale start directly into the soil in a small hole. Do you still utilize that method? I have 2 raised (roof tin & wood) 4’x8’ with roughly 4 yards of soil in them. I just cut my cover crop down for the 2nd time and am looking to plant my starters here in Oregon. Also, do you add any compost or fertilizer to the hole when you plant? This is my 3rd year gardening but first no till. Thanks for the great videos!
Yes, still do plant direct into the cover crop roots area. I use winter rye in those areas because the roots die back also. It is important the roots die back when planting into the soil. If not the transplant will not do well. I will add a small hand full of worm casting to the hole. But use what you have , no chemical fertilizer
@@iamorganicgardening appreciate the prompt reply, my friend. And the beds are 100% organic, so no worries there! I just bought a handheld grass trimmer (hard to get the weed whacker up and in the beds) which gave it the perfect shave I think it needed. Thanks again!
hey sharpen that shovel mark! lol just kidding love your vids :)
Cool, thanks! This is true.
just trim it to the soil and then cover it with a tarp for the month and let the grass die.
Great, Thanks for sharing.
Aha, this info is what I have been looking for. Thanks Mark.
Awesome. Thanks
You have 30 days bfore planting. why not cover with cardboard or plastic cover so rye dies from lack of light?
I have tried that before but with it not working. But will make a video on it trying again. Thanks
How hard is it to plant in and could those roots compete with seedlings or young plants?
Not hard at all. You cut down the winter rye to soil level 30 days prior to planting seeds or trans plants. The roots will die off. Or wait until the winter rye has a seed head and cut down making straw into it. Like in this video. ruclips.net/video/NjE9HXEhvV4/видео.html .
Your weight loss looks amazing bro! Well done! Have you made a video on it?
No, It was simple . Lost 90lbs in a year by no sugar in my diet and drink 2 to 3 gallons of water a day.
If you raise chickens, they'd love that rye grass. What a treat for them.
Yes, 100% Thanks