I find these tier lists fun ngl. Rdruid is the best pug healer and 99% of people play pug or with friends who are on pug level skillwise. People look at the top 1% and don't even play in the same universe as these guys. People don't even understand what makes the class S tier and how to utilize it and that the class being played the way they play it, is not S tier and then the doom loop begins^^
I can only agree, once you utilize and coordinate everything 5 specs have combined correctly, everything can become viable and even top players are discovering potential synergies during the season of specs that have not seen as meta before. What I was missing a bit was someone looking at the data and not base a Tier list on what they feel, think or experienced during meta. Couldn't imagine I was the only one so threw it out here. Thanks for watching!
@@ShouldBeGrim That's the thing everyone is ONLY looking at the data (wcl and rio), even tho Growl is making "pug tier list" and "top tier player tier list", his take is still off and weird, he just can't understand how pug works for 99% of people. He is playing his own game that he already forgot what the majority is actually playing.
@@tbone8358 Sorry friend, that's wrong. Why? Simple. Shaman has to be played totemic, otherwise not enough throughput in high keys. Pugs don't play like pre-made, they will leave the totem, move a lot, fail a lot, pop defensives too late. Now you could think that's great because shaman is exactly build for this kind of scenarios and has CDs. Yes, you are right. The issue is that the healing outside of the CDs is not enough. Rdruid does not require CDs and has MUCH higher throughput outside of CDs, which is exactly what pugs need. MW... I have absolutely no idea who made fun of you with that choice. FW has to be in melee, which can be often brutal, on top of that 1 CD (chi-ji) is completely useless if you have to play a mechanic that does not let you go melee. The hero talent has melee range, which again requires everyone who needs the heal to be close enough to you, without getting hit by a mechanic. These CDs are NOT well designed for many pug scenarios. Revival is ok but not good enough and has too high CD. Caster MW simply lacks aoe healing on demand. SG is nice but once you used it, you are in trouble. If it's only 2-3 people who need heal then MW is doing fun but this is not the damage pattern we have right now. For my reference, I was top 10k player worldwide in M+ pre dungeons nerfs and I have 98% raid logs on my Rdruid, Shaman and MW. Where is your experience coming from if I may ask?
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I find these tier lists fun ngl. Rdruid is the best pug healer and 99% of people play pug or with friends who are on pug level skillwise.
People look at the top 1% and don't even play in the same universe as these guys. People don't even understand what makes the class S tier and how to utilize it and that the class being played the way they play it, is not S tier and then the doom loop begins^^
I can only agree, once you utilize and coordinate everything 5 specs have combined correctly, everything can become viable and even top players are discovering potential synergies during the season of specs that have not seen as meta before.
What I was missing a bit was someone looking at the data and not base a Tier list on what they feel, think or experienced during meta. Couldn't imagine I was the only one so threw it out here. Thanks for watching!
@@ShouldBeGrim That's the thing everyone is ONLY looking at the data (wcl and rio), even tho Growl is making "pug tier list" and "top tier player tier list", his take is still off and weird, he just can't understand how pug works for 99% of people. He is playing his own game that he already forgot what the majority is actually playing.
RDruid is not the best pug healer.
Resto Shaman or Mistweaver are currently the best pug healers.
@@tbone8358 Sorry friend, that's wrong. Why? Simple. Shaman has to be played totemic, otherwise not enough throughput in high keys. Pugs don't play like pre-made, they will leave the totem, move a lot, fail a lot, pop defensives too late. Now you could think that's great because shaman is exactly build for this kind of scenarios and has CDs. Yes, you are right. The issue is that the healing outside of the CDs is not enough. Rdruid does not require CDs and has MUCH higher throughput outside of CDs, which is exactly what pugs need.
MW... I have absolutely no idea who made fun of you with that choice. FW has to be in melee, which can be often brutal, on top of that 1 CD (chi-ji) is completely useless if you have to play a mechanic that does not let you go melee. The hero talent has melee range, which again requires everyone who needs the heal to be close enough to you, without getting hit by a mechanic. These CDs are NOT well designed for many pug scenarios. Revival is ok but not good enough and has too high CD. Caster MW simply lacks aoe healing on demand. SG is nice but once you used it, you are in trouble. If it's only 2-3 people who need heal then MW is doing fun but this is not the damage pattern we have right now.
For my reference, I was top 10k player worldwide in M+ pre dungeons nerfs and I have 98% raid logs on my Rdruid, Shaman and MW. Where is your experience coming from if I may ask?