Here's How Your Old Smart Products Get Matter!
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- As the smart home industry transitions to Matter, the biggest question for most of us is how do we get our old smart devices to upgrade to Matter? Sadly, no one's talking about it...so I did. Here's how your old smart home devices get updates or upgrades to become Matter smart home compatible. Everything from Zigbee, to Z-Wave, to WiFi, and Thread, and everything in between could eventually become Matter ready, and today I'm showing you how.
The first big piece of news is Zigbee Direct, which is finally available. Zigbee Direct adds Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) to the specification and this means a single Zigbee Direct device added to your home will expose your entire Zigbee network to BLE hubs, speakers, and more! Learn more about this in today's video.
Timecodes for today's video:
00:00 - Matter Smart Home Is Coming
0:50 - Zigbee into Matter
2:00 - What is Zigbee?
4:20 - What is Zigbee Direct?
6:46 - Z-Wave into Matter
7:55 - What is a Matter Bridge?
9:49 - Thread Into Matter
12:11 - What About WiFi?
12:30 - Tuya Into Matter
14:32 - WiFi Into Matter
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Nice! Thanks for the update on Matter devices 👍
Thanks!
This all sounds very promising.. cant wait to see it in action in real life! I hope matter enables me to make devices that dont like each other right now.. be better friends.
Be better friends is exactly the right term!
Thanks again for the helpful insights, Brian.
Oh thank you!
Thank you so Much for your videos, you are genious in you clear and easy understanding comments, making so complicated things so easy to understand.
I'm trying! Glad they're working for ya!
This a blue-tooth back door. Luv it!
Great video ! The news man! You holding that wyze camera was a perfect metaphor for my thoughts . I sell wyze to people who are just understanding technology. They come from a time when home upgrades lasted 3 decades rather than 3 years. To sell them I use the longevity play. But that's becoming more difficult now.
I think you'll be ok! Wyze has been pretty good at maintaining old products in their system and app. So Matter or not, original purpose should be fine. We shall see though
Thanks Brian. I feel better now. 😉
Yesssssss! ;)
The nice thing is Hue's Matter bridge is available now if you cant wait, and you shouldn't. If you have a zigbee product that the Hue Bridge will recognize, then you can have it Matterified right now.
Yeah!? Are you finding a lot of products to put in there?
@@AutomateYourLife My original Cree Connected bulbs. Cheap Seedan branded plugs and bulbs, almost any IKEA of course, Sonoff S40 plugs, Sengled RGBW candle bulbs (the classic elements and BR30 bulbs wont pair yet.
@@Bigglare What happens to your Ikea lights used with hue bridge in case of power outage ? Do you have ability to set up a stay off option After electricity is back ? Thx
Is the hue matter bridge new or an update? Where can I get it?
Home Assistant SkyConnect for the win 🤘🏼
As of the next update, 2023.3, it will be a Matter Bridge AND a Thread border router
It'll be a big help! I think tuya will still be trouble and some of the wifi gear. We shall see!
Great and informative as always!
Samsung is definitely doing what they can to create a walled garden around their products and ecosystem. They're making their TVs Matter controllers but not Matter devices, obviously to lure (or rather force) people into SmartThings. I'm guessing it's the same reason they haven't updated their V3/Aeotec hubs to be Matter bridges yet. My fingers are crossed for updates that changes that (TV and Matter bridge) 🤞
That's actually shifting right now for both items you're concerned about, but we still gotta see it in action!
Great video... I'm currently using Tuya WIFI smart switches and I'm helping a friend whose house is being constructed. Do you think it's better to move him to Zigbee or we also use the same as mine which is WIFI? Which one will be future proof as Matter becomes standard?
Thanks for the input.
Tuya has a smart home hub coming that will be Matter compatible, but I'm not sure which Tuya products will get the update. Right now, your guess is as good as mine. Neither technology is necessarily more future proof, but I think both have the opportunity to fall out of favor.
It's more about the brand themselves and what they're going to do with the older products.
Great video, Brian. Having Zigbee devices connect w/o a manufacturer's hub seems a bit problematic when it comes to firmware upgrades. Simple devices might not really need the upgrades, but others will. I have, for example, 16 Hue bulbs that all receive firmware updates from time to time and of course Hue handles them all. Even though Hue might support Matter, it isn't really needed now as Hue already works with everything. For me, Matter "doesn't" anytime in the next few months. IMHO Matter will really only be useful for the relatively expensive devices/systems that won't currently be accessible by your chosen ecosystem. For example, folks with Nest cameras, doorbells, will want it to use them with Homekit. I have a Ring Alarm System and have it working in Homekit with Homebridge, but it would be nice to bring it in the "front door" via Matter.. Aqara already works with everybody, but Eve doesn't. For the handful of folks who might want to use their Eve sensor with something in addition to Homekit it might be good. Anyway,, keep doing these kinds of videos, Brian as folks are going to be awfully confused in 2023 while this all sorts out.
Thanks Hugh! I think you're totally right that people are going to be confused for this whole year so I'm hoping to clarify things as much as is possible.
As for matter, it definitely doesn't right now and I'll have a video out next week about how bad that experience is currently
Hubitat needs to announce this….
Agreed!
Great video, very informative 👏
I need your help, I'm renovating my bedroom and looking at putting a recessed LED strip around the ceiling. Can you recommend an LED strip that works with Alexa/Smartthings but all the family can control without my phone being in the house? 🤔
Sure! Get a ZigBee LED strip that states compatibility with Smartthings and then you can share that to Alexa.
I have one called GideaLED that was simple, easy to install, and nice
@@AutomateYourLife Thx, was having the same project and looked at Gidealed. However, i can't figure out how to connect strips together, as the zigbee 3.0 gidealed strip is only 5m, and I need 12 m. Thx
@Automate Your Life thanks I'll check them out, hopefully they are available in the UK 🇬🇧
Thank you for constantly delivering great content, I rarely comment but rest assured every Saturday I sit down in the morning and watch your latest video 👍
@The Attorney might need soldering, but usually, anything past 10m needs to be split at the controller, I'm guessing that's because of the drop in power/too much on one strip.
So far Matter is just about holding back from becoming a like for like repeat of the Zigbee Alliance, I hope it’ll continue to be a unifying force that benefits consumers more than it does the device makers
We can all dream Gaz. Will that dream pay off? Well....
Great Video with Clarity. Thanks. I have about 42 Zigbee devices (Majority Aqara and some Ikea , Sonoff ) and another 40 on WiFi integrated to HA with the Sonoff Zigbee USB P Coordinator. Zigbee Devices on Zigbee2MQTT , HA is on a RPi4 with SSD . All in a 95+% stable condition !! Does it make sense to move the Aqara devices to an Aqara Hub with the Xiaomi Gateway (Aqara) HA Integration ? Will there be any benefits ? Appreciate your inputs.
No! Leave it there. HA should create a Matter bridge feature and you'd be done for the most part. 😃
@@AutomateYourLife 👋 👋
About matter bridges. I have the smartthings V3 hub. It has the option to add matter stuff to it. So does it even "matter" if it's a matter bridge or not? If I add a matter switch, can't I control my lights and smart plugs with it? It's all connected to the hub.
Well that depends on what you want to do! You're right that you could bridge things yourself, but I do think that it'll be nice for all the integrations you have to work in the same "Matter" way.
Well done! Now how does matter function in the Home Assistant world?
Not well so far
I bought my first Smarthub - the Aeotec - in early 2022. At the time, it seemed like most things I read / watched suggested that Z-Wave was preferred over Zigbee because it used less energy. The exception was if you needed farther range or faster speeds then Zigbee would be best.
So, if I can find the same quality / priced solution in both Z-Wave and Zigbee then I’ve been picking Z-Wave.
Now, it seems like people are preparing a burial shroud for Z-Wave. The idea of Matter allowing many devices to talk to it instead of just a single hub is awesome, but it seems like I will still need a hub of some sort to run my automations / routines.
If I need a hub anyway, and if Z-Wave use less energy and hence has better battery life, and if all other things are equal (like Schlage Connect Z-Wave vs Zigbee) then why wouldn’t I want to go with Z-Wave?
The only argument I can see is that companies *might* drop support for Z-Wave - which I doubt will happen as long as Z-Wave has a power advantage and people keep buying Z-Wave products.
Do you see it differently?
Sadly, I do see things a bit differently.
One thing you said...if you need range, go Z-Wave, not ZigBee. 😀
Anyways, Z-Wave has been in trouble since Thread. Thread and ZigBee are relatively the same when it comes to power use, Thread can travel as far as Z-Wave, and includes tech to stop it from being interfered with.
And it's as fast as ZigBee and IP based.
It's taking out Z-Wave, not Wifi or ZigBee.
That's where Matter comes in, because it uses Thread and therefore has a low power solution. Z-Wave is dying right now, unless they do something dramatic.
It'll still work though! So don't throw out your stuff.
That would be incredible if all my Zigbee stuff could be on one network. I have like FOUR Zigbee hubs that are just sitting there not doing anything because of the branding thing. Meanwhile in the next room will be a Zigbee device that has a poor signal to the hub it IS willing to talk to. It's almost insulting, haha. That said, I'm still pretty salty that all my Leviton Wifi switches will become paper weights when the app goes away. And I feel that Mr. Negative Sassy Pants needs to be a regular contributor on your channel, haha!
Ahahahaha but Mr Negative Sassy Pants is a jerk!
Now I have a new problem. It used to be when anyone said ALEXA on a video people's echo speakers would wake up. Every time you said ZIGBEE my echo would respond. Kinda funny really.
Ohhhhh noooo, that's Ziggy!
Don't forget Matter is the standard
But if all does are using BLE isnt that a security issue ? unless they use some kind off security digits to use them that is. or maybe iam missing something ?
Yep! There's absolutely a process of getting it on the network and then keys are exchanged for access to the network. It'll be similar to Matter as far as I can tell
The way I understood Matter from the start, I believed Zigbee was going to be part of Matter anyway. Zigbee being an underlying protocol, and Matter sitting on top of it, same as Bluetooth, WiFi and Thread were sitting underneath Matter.
So existing Zigbee devices that do not have BLE would still not be able to be Zigbee Direct, so is Zigbee Direct now a competitor for Matter? So again, is the Alliance is fragmenting the market?
Hey Brendan, I agree that Zigbee will eventually end up in Matter so I think you had it right from the start.
Existing Zigbee devices won't have that BLE connection that Zigbee Direct has, but all existing Zigbee devices (Direct, or not) are exposed to BLE Hubs/Etc. through a single Zigbee Direct Device.
So you need one, and then it acts just like Matter and I think like you said, the underlying technology is there with Zigbee 3.0 and DotDot.
@@AutomateYourLife One is probably a little too little, especially for larger homes since BLE reach is not that large, once hubs like google home hub or apple tv or whatever talk could talk to ZigBee direct devices though, it would remove that problem mostly.
Also interesting is that many ZigBee devices already contain chips which could potentially talk in BLE, and the newer hue lamps also already contain Bluetooth support right now, so it could be that those devices will be updated to ZigBee direct (and therefore start forwarding other devices in their ZigBee network)
I don't see it. CSA created Zigbee so if it was ever going to happen it would be from the start. Thread won the mesh...
I have a lot of Treatlife wifi switches and bulbs. I didn't bother with their app and am using the Smart Life app. I messaged them a few days ago about Matter and they said they don't plan on updating existing devices 😭
Not gonna try to replace all of them. But I do plan on replacing every bulb and switch that uses a sensor or smart button to run a automation. I want to move towards having more local control from now on.
The good news is maybe one hub will deal with this for you. The Tuya Matter Hub 😃👍
@@AutomateYourLife Wait, I thought when you were talking about that you only meant their ZigBee devices. But they could or are planning to make a hub to connect wifi devices which then connects to a router?
You might need another watch of the video. 😜
@@AutomateYourLife okay, will give it another watch. It's just that I haven't heard about a bridge for wifi devices. It's either a bridge for other protocols like ZigBee or the wifi device itself gets an OTA update.
Wait a sec - 4:48 - am I to assume that when the internet is down (using Alexa for local control is @$$) that I could employ this standard for future local control?
Yep!
Most of my accessories are Wyze. I heard I am SOL but they will work as they do now. My SH is all built out now. I don't expect to change my stuff until my Wyze stuff stops working.
I just think Wyze will be a bit late in announcing a lot of this because most of their products are cameras. As I'm sure you know Dave, cameras won't be added to the standard until later this year.
@@AutomateYourLife Somewhere I read that Wyze wasn't going to upgrade the old sutff, just make new stuff to sell. I hope I'm wrong. No problem with the cameras. I have one but it just sits outside and does almost nothing. Kind of like me.
@@daveschmarder-1950 I don't think I've seen any announcements there.
My guess is a few will get updated, but older stuff won't. They don't have a lot of room on those older devices
I just want to use my nest products with HomeKit . Is this happening?
Most Nest products will have to wait for Cameras to come into the standard. No word from Google on if they will adopt it.
Right now the path would still be with the Starling Hub I think. I've had great success with that
Just use the Homey pro, and get rid of all those hubs and just use 1 :D
Lol do you get a commission!?😀
@@AutomateYourLife nope, i just really like this thing and what it can do. No more diffrent hubs needed. Just the homey and done
I agree many zigbee products will be brought into Matter with bridges. However I am afraid many zigbee bridges will only bridge their own brand zigbee devices and will have less functionality in Matter than in their own app.
I really hope that's not the case! I do think I've seen some newer hub options coming that will bring your ZigBee network together. Might just take a bit of time to see that happen
some articles saying aqara and hue promised they will be supporting other brands as well as their hubs becoming the matter bridge.
I don't know, I have a couple of ZigBee devices and they suck. Always going offline etc etc. If I have to use a bridge for zwave I rather go that route.
If your Zigbee stuff sucks, there may be interference. Zigbee is rock solid when it's working right!
The only problem with Matter and ST is... Smartthings Home Connect and Smartthings Wifi still not Matter compatible. Samsung is just ignoring these users. It appears that no ST specialist is asking Samsung why these users were abandoned.
I don't know where those two come in. Seems like a lot of the testing is going on with the others and it'll just come out for those late in the year. That's my sense.
I'm almost all tuya zigbee stuff, but unfortunately it's mostly bolted to a Hubitat and that doesn't have BLE so the only way I can see of updating is drop everything into tuya and then reconnect it to Hubitat.
Sadly despite it being a great hub I think it's going to fail epicly.
I have two zigbee hubs, the Hubitat and the Tuya Zigbee. Hopefully the Smartlife Hub will be updated and no real issues.
Kind of academic since I've knocked chemo on the head.
It'll ALL be fine. I couldn't talk about a few things I know are happening and you'll kick all the ass personally!😃👍
@@AutomateYourLife Not very likely. Aggressive cancer plus a cancer causing autoimmune syndrome isn't a good mix and to be fair, so ill and exhausted, given up caring. Although some good news, I have a gravid Western Hognose female already in blue for her pre lay shed. Make that two Western Hognose and a Cornsnake as well..
"Smart" is confusing.
I am building a new home and will be closing on it in mid-June. I want to add automation to the home once we get moved in. I know the industry is in transition with Matter and there may be more stability in the market after I move in. The question I have is how to start with a new system today. What to automate first (lighting with Lutron?), what to hold off on, what home automation platform to be working towards, etc.
I really haven't seen a "Getting started in 2023 with Automation" video. All the videos I find seem to assume that there is already smart products in the environment, not trying to build the best from scratch. Is there a starting from scratch guide out there?
Cheapest way of doing it would be tuya zigbee stuff, a lot available and plus it's upgradable into Hubitat or (mostly) SmartThings later on if you want to go local - but be aware tuya zigbee itself will need a good stable internet connection. Good luck with it, and have a look at grey water processing and other stuff, can really save money but it's pricey to add afterwards. Also clear solar window films..
This is the start of our How to Build a Smart Home 101 series. You'll find them all on our channel page.
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They're intended to guide you from start to finish
I'm in need of a Android water leak sensor that would work with smart things or Google Home. Any recommendations?
Moes Zigbee Tuya water sensors are ok for that I think.. But I don't think google will address them directly (it certainly won't from Hubitat), you might have to get it to trigger a Google visible bridging device - ie a sensor triggers a bulb that'll trigger a Google routine.
Third reality is cheap and great into any ZigBee hub (Smartthings)
Or Aeotec ZigBee leak
So what happens to all of the Z-wave stuffs?
:(
That's kinda part 2 of the video. Check the time codes :)
All I want is a motion sensor that can connect directly to google or alexa without a hub. I just want it to turn on one of my govee bulbs. Really hoping that matter can make this happen.
Why do you need a motion sensor to connect to Alexa or Google ? Isn't its function only to trigger the lights ?
This can happen today I think. Keep watching the channel and our next unboxing should have something you can use.
@@theattorney6072 Because they control the lights, the lights connect directly to them. I could also use routines to set the color or brightness based on the time of day that they are triggered.
@@AutomateYourLife Thanks, I'll be watching
Just use home assistant
That won't necessarily do all this. Tuya has been a pretty big pain point for that platform!
will Matter switch to something else in 5-7years.....ploy to get you to buy new stuff?
Tough to answer that for sure but it looks pretty good to me
I wish there was more POE smarthome devices rather than wireless.
PoE would be nice. I'm with ya, and it's in the spec for Matter
X-10 has been around 50 years.
@@Bigglare x-10 isn't POE
Loxone ;)
This standard is taking way too long to roll out. I feel like I'll be 65 by the time this is all connected the way I was hoping it would be by now. I'm losing interest in this space because it's just taking forever to roll out.
Are you 64? ;)
Hubitat?
I think something is happening there, but nothing announced yet
Unfortunately the majority of my smart home is Z-Wave devices.
Worst case, bridge!😃👍
My grandma can set up a matter device 🤣
Go granny!
I'm first forever
1st to be 3rd... 😆
Although convenient, it sounds like hundreds of more ways to hack a system.
Where’s the iOS app?
For what??