Croatian Coalition Talks Begin: What Next?
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
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In today’s episode, we run through the results from the Croatian general elections. Also, we discuss the German lawmaker on trial for using a Nazi slogan; Germany’s calls for more Ukraine aid defence; & yet another Tory MP has whip suspended.
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Further reading:
✍️ Croatia Election Results
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www.euractiv.com/section/elec...
✍️ German Lawmaker On Trial For Nazi Slogan
apnews.com/article/germany-fa...
www.reuters.com/world/europe/...
✍️ Germany Calls for More Ukraine Air Defence
www.ft.com/content/6db9f905-2...
✍️ Another Tory MP Has Whip Suspended
theguardian.com/politics/2024...
www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/...
✍️ TLDR Good News
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00:00 Intro
00:19 Croatia Election Results
03:20 German Lawmaker On Trial For Nazi Slogan
04:25 Germany Calls for More Ukraine Air Defence
05:35 Another Tory MP Has Whip Suspended
06:40 TLDR Good News
07:47 Sponsor
As a Croatian, finally someone who pronounces our names correctly
This is probably the right moment to point out that you're legally allowed to call Björn Höcke a fascist, as ruled by a german court in 2019
Refusing to work with a party ELECTED by the people is a democracy, that sure sounds like autocratic rule resisting democracy.
Germany is being destroyed by one simple line: "youre racist". Crazy how that little phrase controls politics.
You should be aloud to call anyone that by free speech doesn't mean you should though
For those who don't know, Björn Höcke studied history and worked as a history teacher for years. Combined with his extreme right wing position (and corrolated interest in nazi history) he definitely knew exactly what he was saying.
I didn’t know that, thanks
Bernd Höcke pls :)
For the same reasons one can surmise that he knew what to avoid to say but tripped over overreaching german laws (Gummiparagraph) anyways. "Everything for X" is such a broad and non-offensive patriotic phrase that used literally anywhere else regarding to anything else wouldn't be a problem, those laws there are nonsensical and are borderline newspeak laws. The three first letters of that "problematic phrase" coincide with the party letters "AfD", so that's maybe the reason he chose the phrase in the first place. But of course depending on where one stands on the political spectrum everyone has their own immovable opinion and their own "truth" about these events, so this is just food for thought.
Nein der Slogan wurde erst ziemlich spät verboten
@@Jerry-vg2zreinfach ein heute Show NPC
1:40 - 151 seated* sabor.
not 101
Thanks I was confused lol
That’s for clearing that up, I was so confused
I wondered how winning 76, 42, 14 and others would be totalling 101... and explains how 76 is the majority 😅
really good pronunciation of Croatian names thank you
Good pronunciation on Croatian names and verbs!
She is Croatian
@@jakespiller9584 Is that a joke? I didn't catch her name, but I read somewhere in the comments it's Georgina
@@jakespiller9584kaj stvarno?
6:36 bro really answered corruption allegations with "my lawyers have advised me to not end this statement" 💀
Hopefully this new RNA vaccine strategy would be the key to finally eliminate HIV/AIDS for good.
You can already bet the republicans are going to kill that, because republicans never want anything that's good for society.
Expect a goverment that creates problems to create solutions is disilusional
@@florisbuliga180 stupid generalities
Thanks for the video
So why was Milanović allowed to run for Prime Minister despite being the President exactly? You outright said he technically wasn't allowed to so...why was he allowed to?
He just ignored the judges and enforcement was to slow to stop him. Absolute egomaniac, but unfortunately Plenković isn't much better either.
no. He can't be both the prime minister AND president in the same time but he technically CAN run for prime minister while being a president. He would have to resign his presidency to become the prime minister though.
And it's not the first time this was done. Franjo Tuđman did the same.
And besides Croatian constitution isn't worth the toilet paper it's written while a convicted criminal organization is running in the ellections
@@PeoplecallmeLucifer I don't think even running is constitutional, but as you said, no one cares anyway ...
@@starlight137yt it is constitutional. Running doesn't mean holding both positions at once.
and as I said. if he actually wanted to be Prime minister he would have to resign from being the president
He technically isn't running. He isn't on any list for any party, but it's widely understood that if SDP were to form a government he would resign from the presidency and become the prime minister as an unelected official.
Unless some context is missing, "Monument of shame" sounds exactly like what it is.
Great video as usual, but note that the Scottish name "Menzies" is pronounced like "MING-is"
5:10 the building in the photo was damaged the year before. you should read articles from which you get photos or read stock description better
Finally someone on TLDR with a normal voice
Cuz it ain't Bri'ish!😂
Good job on your pronunciations, most people do an extremely poor job trying to read Croatian
She is Croatian lol
@@Srbenda126Georgina Findlay a Croat? 🤔
@@soundscape26 Think it's Nadia Lovadinov
@@Srbenda126I think she's Ukrainian with british decent
@@soundscape26no
3:15 I would absolutely consider a paid membership as I like some of that TLDR does, but only if you work to move out of "leans left" and into the unbiased range on media watchdog sites.
Good video.
Ugh, my friend told me about all this. It's sad the non HDZ parties didn't get even a couple more seats...
hey at one point HDZ was slated to have 65 seats .... THAT would have been a nightmare. It still isn't great but there is a CHANCE to get them out!
also Milanović MIGHT be the personality to actually form a coalition but it'd have to work quickly to dismantle HDZ
What is really happening is literally everyone from left to right, except HDZ voters want Andrej Plenković dethroned. HDZ can realistically only form government in coalition with DP (Domovinski Pokret/Homeland Movement) BUT on the condition that Andrej Plenković is not prime minister, and some other conditions as well but that one is an absolute.
What Croatian people clearlly expressed on these elections is they do not want the left wing. DP is the real success story here, they're sovereignists who will not accept the woke, they're clearly against mass migration, they are not against EU cooperation but they do not wish for further integration (federalization). And HDZ will realistically have to respect that if they want to form government. Either way, all this spells the end for Andrej Plenković, we will have to see how that will reflect on the long term popularity of HDZ.
@@PeoplecallmeLucifer milanovic was already a prime minister and got the title for "worst prime minister in croatian history"
@@ggeronimo4412 It blows my mind there are people out there who would support him as a premier, it's like there's a collective amnesia. Apparently everyone forgot he got us into massive debt and had nothing to show for it, dude rid us of money like Houdini rids himselfs of chains.
It's unbelievable. To be fair, as a president, in some aspects he has done a good job, but he's still an embarassment and he is way too vocal about global issues, he frankly needs to shut his trap, as we stand to gain nothing at all from asserting our position so quickly and loudly, and we stand to lose a lot. Dude is a menace.
@@joschmo4497 yes people also seem to forget or pretend to forget that he is a leftist. But now as president he acts like he is with right wing... one day he says something leftists like, then next day he says something rightists will like and everyone just claps...
You should've mentionned Höcke is a history teacher. Thus he definitely knows what he's doing.
Fighting for free speech? "Everything for my country" is something any politician should say
@@jonasastrom7422 In other countries sure, but if you say it in german in Germany than it's an obvious reference to Hitler. (kinda like how politicians in the US strive to make the US better but they don't all use Trump's MAGA slogan, and if they do say MAGA it's an obvious reference to Trump)
@@Liamg1999 "Everything for Germany" is three words about doing everything you can for your country. It means what it says, whther or not nazis used the phrase 90 years ago
@@jonasastrom7422 It was 79 years ago, and nazis still use the phrase today, same how you can't say "sieg heil"(hail victory) as it was a slogan of the nazis and is still used today by neo-nazis. Like how if a politician said MAGA, that would be an obvious reference to trump. Also similarly, if someone said "white power" that would would be an obvious reference to the KKK.
@@jonasastrom7422 It means what it means AND is a reference to Hitler
Georgina, drop your mic a bit. It's covering a big chunk of your face which doesn't look right.
man you guys are fast with Croatia
Yes, because we have the best President in the world - Zoran Milanović 😊
What is variety?
Croatian here, let me tell you what will happen, couple possible scenarios:
The ruling party, HDZ(Hrvatska Demokratska Zajednica/Croatian Democratic Party) can only form government if they make a coalition with the DP (Domovinski Pokret/Homeland Movement) who are adamant that they will not accept such a coalition if the current prime minister remains, that is one of their condition, their campaign banked on it. They will also be demanding to have their way in terms of migration and a bit more euroskepticism. Basically they see the prime minister as a traitor because of his concessions to Serb minority which helped him form the government. They would likely accept a coalition where Ivan Anušić, the current vicepresident (who enjoys great political support more broadly in Croatia, through his whole career), is a prime minister.
The other way that a government is formed is a union of all minority vote parties, which is so incredibly unlikely that it might as well not be an option. They would have to bring in polar opposites who already stated it's not going to happen. DP says under no circumstances will they be a part of any government with Možemo (which is a woke party all about feminism, LGBT and such, socialists). So that is out of question. It would be one Frankeinstein's monster of a government where they can't agree on much.
Finally, a real possibility is that we go to elections again, and then I don't know what happens. Either way, this is not good for the prime minister Andrej Plenković, the whole opposition from both the left and the right was based around having him gone. Pretty much all of them see as a hurdle, whereas some parties would form a coalition with HDZ (which are only nominally demochristian, in practice they've supported many leftist resolutions which are unacceptable to DP).
Here's the problem, HDZ recovered its popularity largely on the back of one person, and that's Andrej Plenković, the current prime minister, who already won 2 terms before.
EDIT: As for steering Croatia away from supporting Ukraine? Not gonna happen, that'd be wildly unpopular, and HDZ will absolutely not form a coalition with SDP. HDZ has no reason to do so, they would have to make much smaller concessions to DP to form a government.
ther eis a possibility here ... although unlikely (but this is balkans so don't rule it out)
give DP minsitry of defense, ministry of defenders and maybe something else (agriculture or foreign affairs)
give možemo Minsitry of health or culture
Most gets industry and tourism
... These are jsut fro mthe top of my head but Milanović is smart. he can offer these parties things they find important which might get them to tolerate each other fora t least a year or two in which they can dismantle HDZ (who, as a criminally convicted organization SHOULD HAVE been dismantled when they were convicted)
One can hope for your first described scenario, also this fearmongering about "abandoning Ukraine" in regards to every party being right of the current overton window is the same nonsense as anywhere else in Europe and should be disregarded.
@@PeoplecallmeLucifer Well, if DP doesn't hold their word, that will be their political demise, and they know it. Everywhere in the world, politicians go back on certain promises, but this is the core of the party, so I don't see it happening.
As for "This is Balkans", I don't appreciate that sentiment, especially considering we've never had such Frankenstein governments here in Croatia. Negotiations and compromises are normal and necessary in multi-party systems, otherwise you never form a government.
This is perfectly normal part of democracy people have to learn to be pragmatic. It's a democracy, you can't satisfy everyone, no matter what you said in your election campaign, those are ideals, it's up to the people to say what is an absolute non negotiable core they voted for.
As for Milanović, he's not a wizard. He would have to get SDP, DP, Možemo and Most in a coalition. There's cynicism, and there's just a next level of not gonna happen. Just DP and Možemo have their hearts set on same issues, expecting radically different outcomes. Basically only SDP wants to work with them.
@@yourneighbourhooddoomer Yeah and it's getting tiring. Not everything is about Ukraine, not everything is about Israel, it's just pushing bias for foreigners who are too lazy to think or care.
I do hope for the first scenario, I voted for DP, and I'm realistic so I always knew this was gonna happen, HDZ winning most mandates, but not enough to form majority. I absolutely won't hold it against them if they form coalition with HDZ, you gotta be pragmatic and say it's better that they get some of what they want than none.
The last thing I want to see is the Polish scenario where majority of people do not want the left wing, but they win because of the fractured right wing. (Although calling HDZ right wing is so absurd, there's nothing right about them)
Can Zoran Milanović say no to any coalition that Plenković reated? Also guy is Honestly crazy they beat Orbán in this regard.Good well to your neighbours Slovenians
Whoever forms the government, we're fucked.
All in all a good video but I think you made one little mistake the afd cheff of Thüringen is called Bernd höcke not Björn höcke
Wooow PRONUNCIATION!!! Možemo and German words pronounced correctly.
0:39 Yeah naw, *only* 1240€ average...... here its like 600€ average
I definitely want to read more about that vaccine. That's absolutely fascinating! I hope to see this translated to other viruses with smaller genomes. I'd imagine it would probably be a bit easier to do with less genetic mutations to deal with.
Great job on the pronunciations. You should coach the other guys.
What happened to the other video: 'Is America running out of friends?'
Does anyone else always think about "I Am Legend" when new stories about awesome vaccines come out?
Now all bets are on: Who will first to align themselves with HDZ and betray their anti-HDZ policy (last time was HNS, now question remains on Možemo and Domovinski pokret)
Excellent pronounciation for a non-speaker. Kudos
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3:19 min for a croatian video that is 10 mon long...
Thank you soo much for including our election, much love from Croatia! Awesome work TLDR❤🤍💙
I'm confused, why does a british politician have a whip? Does that mean something other than a literal whip like indiana jones?
It's a term linked to a member of parliament's party affiliation. Losing the whip is being expelled from the party.
Not unique to the UK.
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It strikes me that it should be a monument of shame, regardless of if that was the initial intent for building it. That's kind of the point though.
I can see a path to taking down such monuments however, the United States is removing monuments of people and events they find shameful, why not other countries?
Because he meant it as "Other countries are shaming us with those monuments".
First of all, thanks for covering the Croatian parliamentary elections results, albeit briefly, and for mentioning the monthly wage of €1240, one of the lowest in the EU, the and voting turnout of 60%, way above the 47% in 2020.
Now, Milanovic is popular indeed, but mostly in an ambiguous way: not only he has behaved poorly towards Ukraine and Finland, but on January he also publicly outed a member of the HDZ - on April, Zagreb Pride outed the very same person along with two more of the same party. Grbin condemed ZP's shameful action, but the damage was already done. This is not a minor event: if the HDZ did the same, the uproar would've been tremendous - as it should be... but it wasn't. Such attitudes speaks volumes of the hypocrisy of the progressivism in Croatia.
You mention HDZ lost 6 seats, but do not mention that SDP won barely 2 seats -too few for such a big party.
Anyway, thanks for the video. Cheers.
Well, the biggest advance from last elections was for Možemo, they went from 4 to 10 seats, along being the biggest losers to the d'Hondt method (they had just a bit less total votes than DP and more htan Most, but lower number of seats). So I consider them the party that won the most in these 2024. elections.
Oh, please, Milanović never outed anyone, since everyone already new about it from Index!!!!! 😮
As an American taxpayer, I really do hope that the aid to Ukraine passes. Slava Ukraine! 🇺🇦 ❤🇺🇸
the government already made the decision that ukranian soldiers wont be trained on croatian lands 2 years ago.
Is that the Tory MP who's name has a defunct letter "zog" or something in it so it's not "menzeez" but something like "ming-is"?
Or am I confusing him with someone else?
"Zog" heh
Zog - Albanian king during the interwar period
@@PatagoniaAries You're not clever.
Unfortunately it's a very difficult situation. Both sides will need to make impossible coalitions. I think it will end in another election. Maybe with an sdp-možemo coalition results end different?
What you consider uplifting news is some of the most depressing on this entire episode
Croatia is poor compared to the West, but it's actually wealthy for an Eastern European country,
yeah so wealthy no one wants to live here
@@CroatianUltraNationalist Far from a unique Croatian problem.
@@CroatianUltraNationalist That tends to happen when you have wealthy neighbors. Western Europe was rebuilt with Marshal Plan, while the rest of Europe didn't have anything like that. Plus they didn't have another war ravage their country.
They're not moving to Poland, are they?
@@CroatianUltraNationalistza dom spremni
4:10 need more context on why these are bad. "Monument of Shame" could easily mean it's a monument showing something shameful about the country's past. I'm not saying he did or did not mean it that way, I have little context beyond this report, but it's irresponsible journalism to act like that phrase or that they need to do a "180" on how they teach history is automatically bad without more context on what he did mean.
Do you actually look at you videos when editing? In the majority of episodes the microphone covers the chin and mouth of the presenters.
That's the point? it's how that microphone works. also why do you care if you cant see their mouth? XD
Big deal…
Germans: Hey Arabs, can you please send some air defence to Ukraine?
Arabs: How about you stop sending weapons to Israel?
5:22 that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Apparently mike pense said something similar. Ukrainians need to stop being so hawkish and try to make peace already
0:33 theyre pretty swell compared to Bulgaria, Romania and the Baltic countries when it comes to QoL for most people
Ive been to croatia 10s if not 100s of times, and i can definitely report that quality of life isnt higher than in baltics
Bro you on some mad copium
Imagine jailing someone for saying "everything for Germany". Sad!
Just keep in mind that Milanovic meddling participating in election, and taking part in assembling SDP coalition is deeply unconstitutional. By constitution he should be independent of any party, and in practice he is trying to give mandate to assemble government to himself.
9 seconds, Rapid
0:38
monthly "average" wage of 1240 euros = poor nation?
also it is said that croatia has one of lowest inequality.
Poor by EU standards is squarely middle income by any other standards.
"one of the lowest inequality" yeah that is a lie, there are a bunch of people who openly hate on serbs,gay people,romas and no one gives a damn.
From watching this, Slavic politics seems a little bit backwards to how it is over here in Canada. After learning about the Slovakian election, and now the Croatian election, it seems that the right over there is in support of Ukraine, while the left wants back out of the conflict. In Canada, our liberals and NDP tend to back Ukraine, while our conservatives tend to be very hesitant to support Ukraine, especially under Pierre Polivre, our representative of the far right movement sweeping the West. Anyone from a country where the right is more pro Ukraine than the left mind explaining why Eastern Europe seems to have their roles reversed compared to Canada on this issue?
Because most Eastern European left-wing parties have a history with the actual communist and working class movement, therefore residual sympathies towards what the Soviet Union stood for, and a propensity for cultural pro-Russia sentiments.
Its not really the case
Its just that us Croats at least happen to have a lunatic in the presidential seat
That enjoys spewing meaningless wank for shock value alone
And its not so black and white
I have many more colleagues who are voting right wing but also are extremely pro russia than left wingers
If you want to go into deep
technicality...
I reckon its mostly
Religion and Relationship with russia for the most part
Right wing governments from poland to Slovakia to Croatia are often catering to the Catholic majorities of their countries
And if you know anything about Catholics...
Youll know a decent chunk of them arent a fan Orthodox Russia and seek to inconvenience it as much as possible
Theres also a general distain for russia itself present across the east and for good reason
Since Russia has been a nuisance at best and a genocidal world ender at worst for most of the people of eastern Europe
In polish and slovak case
Quite literally
In the case of Croatia less so directly
But since they see Russia was(and still is) supporting neighbouring Serbs, Croatia isn't a big fan
And the Russian invasion of Ukraine in Croatian eyes looks painfully familiar to when the Serbs invaded.
Dont take my word for it im no expert
These are just educated guesses
Universal vaccine. That is good news .
On my first elections I had opportunity to be in electoral committee for controlling elections and counting votes. My focus is to maintain a fairness in my unit. Nice experience overall, but I will be hugely disappointed if HDZ creates a majority government. I voted for sdp primarily in hope of crushing monopoly of HDZ. Many people had unreal opinions about elections, but at least they can signal a change and possible to prevent one party rule or domination over long term.
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In America, the republican party's future slogan is "work shall make you free".
Sounds like Milanovich's bank account has had some transfers from Putin.
Probably not. Milanović can just be an idiot sometimes.
@@doraspoljar697 I tend to agree with you, people are quick to pull the Putin gun, never underestimate a fool and powerful opiates.
nah, he's just under influence ;)
@@z000ey He's just got a perpetual cold bro, trust me bro, even in August
@@joschmo4497 honestly I kinda feel bad, because I do have a perpetual cold. So I actually wouldn't exclude the possibility.
aie aie aie, why is it so hard for humanity to rally behind defending beleaguered innocent people and countries. Also great news about the vaccine but terrible explanation in the script.
Anything slightly nationalistic is considered "nazi" in Germany, it is pathetic.
All countries have slogans like that.
goes on trial for using a symbol… it’s like you German’s can’t learn.
We have learned, that's the reason why we condemn NS dogwhistles
ya friend, the Nazi’s did the exact same thing. Disgusting how you people never stop infringing upon the natural sovereignty of the individual. Let me ask you, your people don’t have freedom of physical expression or literal speech right? Your people can and are prosecuted for thought crimes right? What does that make your people… just thralls imo. Turned your own selves into modern peasants.
@@_jpg Clearly you didn't, because you're turning to fascism again, just in the other direction. Shutting down free speech is becoming the norm. I'm reading about proposals to ban AfD, ah so democratic of you. Just ban the opposition, so different than Russia.
Please Germans, for the love of god, there are no Nazis, Nazism is dead. You are not your ancestors, get a grip, and realise we all need to be pregmatic and invest in self defense. What drove Germans to war in WW2 is simply gone, there's no incentive. You guys are stuck in the past and creating a self fulfilling prophecy.
Ich wünsche dem verehrten Herrn Höcke viel Glück bei der kommenden Landtagswahl.Möge er unser Vaterland retten
Follow your leader 😂😂😂
Ich wittere braunes Gedankengut
Presenting Croatia as poorest in EU and HDZ as ruling party is fallacy. All graphs show progress in the right direction from GDP to PPP to birth rates and corruption during HDZ rule. Yes we are still one of the poorest but we are growing in the right direction and considering geopolitical situation in the world I would say we are doing amazing. That is why HDZ won with big support. Only reason why they didn't get votes from far right as well is their illegal immigration policy that is similar to (EPP in EU).
I knew you had leftist bias from the start. I do watch you only because I need to hear both sides. But I have the duty to correct you when you are speaking lies about my country. Have a nice day.
Honestly all that growth is pointless
a growing economy doesn't mean cost of life is lowering ... and besides HDZ destroyed Slavonia (the African swine flue fiasco being just the latest example) but for some reason those nitwits keep voting for them!
😂😂😂, and you are just going to ignore all of HDZ affairs and scandals in last 12 years. How many minister had to step down just in last 4 years? Our economy is getting better not because of HDZ but despite them.
@@nikolavukadinovic1055 I said it before on this comment ... but my comment seems to be hidden .... HDZ was, as an organization, convicted for corruption. HDZ should not exist.
now the economic growth? Well of course it's growing, there was nothing left to destroy after all. + cost of living is going up.
Also HDZ destroyed Slavonia but Slavonians still vote for them ... GOOD JOB!!!
@@PeoplecallmeLucifer It didn't grow during SDP rule so tell me what excuse do you have for them, your argument that GDP is growing because it can't be worse is ignorant and wrong. If HDZ should not exist why are they here. Acts of individuals are not the acts of the political party. SDP had its fair share of scandals, they even had one during the elections. Eurostat shows that Croatia advanced from most corrupt country in the EU to be better than Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary. So that is the progress achieved during HDZ right there. Nothing comes over night.
Slavonia as a farmland is not going to work in the EU with much bigger players all around it that can outcompete it with no problem. But there are tech giants coming there now that will need huge workforce soon. Slavonia just has to adapt. People left, sure that was expected when we voted to join EU. Why complain about it now? Didn't you know at the time that is what would happen? But they will come back once living standards are up to pair with wester nations. We are already comparable to Baltics on paper.
@@PeoplecallmeLucifer My comments are getting deleted as well for some reason.
It didn't grow during SDP rule so tell me what excuse do you have for them, your argument that GDP is growing because it can't be worse is ignorant and wrong. If HDZ should not exist why are they here. Acts of individuals are not the acts of the political party. SDP had its fair share of scandals, they even had one during the elections. Eurostat shows that Croatia advanced from most corrupt country in the EU to be better than Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary. So that is the progress achieved during HDZ right there. Nothing comes over night.
Slavonia as a farmland is not going to work in the EU with much bigger players all around it that can outcompete it with no problem. But there are tech giants coming there now that will need huge workforce soon. Slavonia just has to adapt. People left, sure that was expected when we voted to join EU. Why complain about it now? Didn't you know at the time that is what would happen? But they will come back once living standards are up to pair with wester nations. We are already comparable to Baltics on paper.
I’m Croatian.
I absolutely hate Možemo, HDZ and SDP. Ruined my beautiful homeland
If only HSP came back….
Za dom spremni
Živio Katolička crkva
Papa sveti Ivan Pavao II, moli za nas!
Komunjare, komunjare...
tldr… weekly
Common Parliamentary democratic L.
Man all i gotta say is Croatian President is based asf and has very based opinions, God bless him
He's unstable and an embarrassment. He's not really based, he's a toned down socialist that's a bit less woke than the western woke.