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"Sylvanas, who hurt you." .... well .... Arthas
"Arthas" is exactly right. She wants her revenge on the humans for what their prince did to her and her people. The fact that the Alliance stands in the way of her goal makes them targets as well. The humans (Arthas) made her what she is.
@@konyadake1602 you dont get it, Arthas chased after the sword and armor of the LK after he was warned on what it will do, he didn't care, and cause he didn't care it lead to millions of deaths. thats her Hate, thats her pain, she protected humans and elves and was betrayed by the human race cause they didn't stand against Arthas and stop him from going after what cursed him.
My own reaction:
"WHAT.
MAGES CAN DO THAT!?
...CAN I DO THAT!?"
"This is the most Sylvanas thing ive seen since the B U R N I N G O F T E L D R A S S I L
That was precious.
"who hurt you sylvanas"... well now that you mention it i do recall a magical sword being thrust into her chest
"I'm not even Alliance and that was really cool!" My exact sentiment... Arcane cannons? Yeah, she's bad ass.
A perk of being Arch-mage is not having to pick a spec it looks like :)
Sylvanas:*attempts to kill every man, woman, and child in Gilneas*
Everyone: oh, that Sylvanas!
Sylvanas:*burns teldrassil*
Everyone: this is too far!!!
Ye and also Horde burned Stormwind during previous war and everybody was like ''Oh it's ok thats why it's called Warcraft '' and when Sylvanas burns Teldrassil everybody like ''Omg she is pure evil and moral grey''
White Lee Ross she was under the orders of Garrosh in that attack i think
she was under orders to attack but not to use the plague. she was ordered not to use it but did so anyways.
People always want to bring up Gilneas, but they forget three important things. First, she was under orders to attack it. Second, she allowed non-combatants to escape. Third, "salting the Earth" aka plaguing the city was the Forsaken's revenge for Gilneas doing nothing and hiding behind their wall when Arthas took Lordaeron. Sylvanas DID NOT attempt to kill every man, woman, and child in Gilneas, she let tons of them escape. This is different... it's like she's gone full crazy/stupid, because there was nothing to really gain from burning the tree. What I do like is that both Saurfang and Baine had words with her about the dishonor of it all... what I dislike is that Lor'themar has said nothing, and frankly he should hate it the most because the exact same thing was done to the blood elves, just by Arthas and later Garithos and even Jaina in the purge of Dalaran.
The orcs did worse things to the Alliance during the first and second wars, than Sylvanas has done in her undeath. The orcs pillaged entire villages, burned stormwind and had the intention of taking Lordaeron. When Sylvanas was told to take Gilneas, she subtly told Garrosh that she take it for the Horde, saying it would be a great out post for maritime warfare. Garrosh agreed, tasking her with the siege of Gilneas, but to not use the plague. She did so anyway. But now with Teldrassil, that is the same thing as the plague in Gilneas except the people would be burned to death instead of void of life.
WoW 2004: yo lemme kill this dragon
WoW 2018: flying ships, bork bork, Sylvanas almost kisses Manduin
Woah, what a turn of events i'd say.
bcz legion had no literal spaceships with deflector shields and main laser beams, not at all... oh and wormhole+hyperspace drives, sadly we didn't get an xwing mount heh
"Your home..you desecrate that throne wiTH YOUR FILTH!" this part shook me up so much. As a Warcraft player from the beginning, if there is one kingdom that I feel strongly to..its Lordaeron. And the fact that Genn feels that strongly towards the throne of Lordaeron really signals a massive shift in his character. Genn always felt Gilneas was the strongest human nation, and that they were doing Lordaeron and the others a charity for helping when the Orcs invaded, reluctantly. Even further, he sealed his kingdom off while Lordaeron was ravished with undeath, to the screams of civilians shouting for refuge at the Greymane wall. His ego is gone, he is showing regret for his actions, its nice to see him passionate towards a destroyed monument of human civilization, that isn't his own.
"Who hurt you Sylvanas?"
Well... Arthas.
Arthas is long dead.
Ailee Georsua That's the most retarded thing i've ever read. I know she died and all but you trying to explain it just made it look so childish lmao. In fact that was one of the reasons why she now cares for the forsaken if not fully then a little when garrosh went for gilneas she denied garrosh to use the forsaken as fodders
Lol i was gonna say "How do you want that list, alphabetical, chronological, or numbered from least to worst?"
This is the most Sylvanas thing I have seen since...the last time I saw her....
I loved Sylvanas' dialog and voice acting here.
Same! I am Alliance and I will do what I can to put that banshee in the ground where she belongs, but she is SO GOOD at being bad. There's really no character like her.
He talks bitchy.
I would like to point out the following.
Sylvanas: At the start of the battle she evacuated her people even when she was sure they would win. When things went south she was the LAST to leave the UC.
Tyrande: When the battle of Darkshore started decided that they were so powerful they would win and didn't evacuate anyone. At the first sign of trouble (Malfurion's injury) turned tail and hearthed the Stormwind.
The Night Elves had plenty of time to evacuate that tree, but decided to let their egos prevent them from thinking they could lose. The people who died in the fire, their blood is on Tyrande's hands.
The plot is based on the fact that she predicted the siege of lordaeron when she burned the tree on a whim to snuff out hope (after Saurfang failed his duty). That is why the entire Horde side is basically one big evacuation of the city. The plague trap at the end is not really that horrible, its scorched earth tactics that has been used several times during warfare. She is giving up her home willingly, but she is not going to let anyone else have it either.
To be fair, she's also dead-set on getting her revenge on the humans for what their prince did to her and her people. If it means killing a few allies and civillians, she won't think twice. Her end-goal is to put Stormwind to the torch and turn the humans into Forsaken - part of her might even call it a mercy, being reunited with their fallen kin in undeath.
Yeah, good tactic for a sore loser.
So just letting her enemy take it and gain a foothold is a better option? You dumbass.
i love how anduins entrance is reflective of arthas!!
just because they both entered the same room once ? omg voljin is garrosh because he sat on the same throne
Fant Frei are you serious? They even used same music. Its Easter.
Fant Frei A golden haired boy clad in armor wielding a magic sword coming to take out the ruler of lorderon...yeah definaly not a call back at all
hellfire2615 Right? Even Anduin is being accompanied by the other leaders. Just like how Arthas was accompanied by subordinates.
hellfire2615 not to mention how he looked up to the sky, just as Arthas did as well. I actually loved that little call back.
She's following her character development since Cataclysm. She blighted Gilneas and took much pleasure in it, attempting to find survival and a place for the Forsaken. Same with the Stormheim storyline, where she trapped Eyir was was going to steal what I can only assume was immortality or some form of life. Everything she is doing is to save her people, to find their place in the world.
"Honor means nothing to a corpse."
The whole plot is a hole!!!!! LMAO!! I LOVE your voice you are so adorable when angry I am so glad I came across your channel!
The Flying Dutchwoman.
LEEDLE LEEDLE LEEDLE LEE
Besides that it seems like Hook’s ship, when it’s carried by the fairy dust
You heard of the flying Dutchman? Well now we give you the Flying Dutchess!
Eastern Kingdom? I thought you said Weestern Kingdom?!?
The Flying doucheman would be correct here.
"Who hurt you Sylvanas?" Umm... Could probably put that one on Arthas... Or her sister's betrayal.. Or her people refusing to take her back when she died to protect them.... Or any number of other reasons from her lore..
VeganMachine Alleria had a good reason for betraying Sylvanas.
Rex The Mighty Not Alleria! He means Vareesa in the War Crimes book
Okay but right??? She has her right to be a cold bitch to just about everyone.
Rex The Mighty betrayal is the betryal no matter what the reason.
I feel people with the most ammount of wow things in their room is the one who knows less about the lore
That's awesome. I remember watching this cinematic in one of your streams.
sylvanas just went full cersei lannister
Did anyone notice how Baine stared at Sylvanas? 5:15. He did not seem pleased.
Pretty much all of the Horde leaders know that what Sylvanas is doing is wrong, but they stay loyal to her out of respect for tradition as well as Vol'jin's choice.
Yup, Jens, pretty much. It is a nice little detail added to the cinematic.
Yup. Looks like he's... (/sunglasses) ...sick of her bull.
ShinKyou918 *queues music* YEAAAAAAAAH
baine is kind of a spineless leader. He acts tough at times, but in the end, he excused the humans attack on Taurajo, he bowed to garrosh, he bows to sylvanas. He never takes initiative when he sees an injustice. he waits for someone else to stand up for what he believes in, then he follows them. he isnt a leader. he is a follower.
So after Old Soldier every horde player made a male troll shaman now every alliance player is gonna be making a female human mage
How many will be names "zappy boi"?
i have leveled a worgen hunter in 3 days just cus i wanted to see the starting zone again, and most cus of Gen need a old wolf cinematic to counter the old solider one, love that old dog =D
AsapKarma they are the only Warriors as cool Gnome Warriors
My Alliance main is already a human female mage
Wentworth
I've always had a Frost Mage since TBC because of Jaina in WC3. You're just now catching on?
Jaina: I BROUGHT A BOAT, WHAT UP.
Everyone else: That is both hot and terrifying.
Just a quick recap here. Sylvanas was driven, but not devoid of empathy, while she was seeking to destroy Arthas. She actually cared for the undead as she identified with their plight (as it was the same as hers). She even became obsessed with finding a way to have the undead "procreate". After the fall of Arthas she felt there was no longer any reason to continue her cursed existence. She threw herself off the Frozen Throne and landed on saronite(the blood of the old god made metal). As she died(again) she saw nothing but horror and darkness awaiting her (perhaps a false vision from the old gods). She was approached by Valkyrie who offered to save her before she succumbed completely to death. She is now driven to stay alive at any costs and has become bitter as her existence has become what it is: bleak and pointless beyond staying alive(at least this is what she has come to believe). This has led her to a rather bleak view that the the only purpose to be found is through strife, by creating or overcoming it. How much the old gods play into this whole situation is unclear, but I guarantee they will be making an appearance as the story-line progresses.
I know a lot of people were worried that Jaina was going crazy like Sylvannas.
Just remember, her youth had been spent abandoning her friends and home by running away from the fight. First she fled to Kalimdor, abandoning Lordaeron and leaving Arthas to continue down the path that led to him becoming the Lich King. Then, when her father's fleet waged war against the Horde, rather than pick a side, she ran again and her father died.
Now, the doubts of whether or not she could have made a difference give her clarity in with these new battles.
Now, she's done running away.
First time she "ran away" into fight against the burning legion and protected the world tree. Her father was a ptsd maniak who had to be put down. Theramor was destroyed only because it became an alliance invasion point into the barrens, not because "lol dumb human helped us once - lets screw her over".
Problem is when it came to her father, she was right. Daelin was consumed by hatred and was willing to grind his forces to dust trying to eradicate them. He outright usurped Theramore from Jaina to do this.
Dearie, Sylvanas is not crazy. The policy of the alliance is crazy. When they began to attack the mining sites of Azerit. This is very similar to modern politics, when one state intervenes in the affairs of the second, and when the response measures follow, it screams for justice.But Silvana has "balls" to give a hard answer. I'm an alliance player and I'm sick of rats alliance policy. I'll transfer my main caracter for the horde. For the horde! And for the my new queen!
You're right it does reflect modern politics. Thanks for proving that you're nothing but a Putin lap dog.
Needless to say, you're completely wrong, and contradicted not only by the in-game, but by the written material too. Sylvanas wanted this war. She wanted to capture Teldrassil, but she thought she was too smart for her own good, and thought she could break both the nightelves AND Saurfang AND the Alliance at the same time. Too many traps at once, too many goals, and she accomplished nothing of what she set out to do. Now she's sitting on a barely supressed civil war (Saurfang is keeping the lid on it for now), granted the Alliance a revanchist cassus beli, and severely misjudged even the Horde's willingness to go through with war crimes. Your new queen will be deposed soon. By your own new people. Hope you'll help them, or get blighted by Sylvanas when she gets tired of your uselessness.
Can we talk about the fact the Horde has lost 5 Major leaders where as the Alliance has only lost 1?
Blaide A116 actually, the horde has lost 5 leaders, you are correct, but the alliance has lost 7, one for each of the original kingdoms of the Alliance. Most of them were lost before the 3rd war except Genn Greymane, and Terenas Menethil who was the start of the 3rd war, then king Varian Wrynn died in Legion
and old horde?
Kyle Kane Yes while that is true that is pre- world of warcraft, if we are talking that the horde has still lost a whole lot more
Kyle Kane I was specifically talking about in game representation, where the alliance leaders have heavy plot armor where the Horde leaders don't.
Enough already. It's your rabid faction leaders that kill each other anyway.
''muzzle your dog... your majesty'' this line was just gold!
Sylvanas's story is a pretty common story-type, its a cycle of trauma that began with Arthas. Arthas made the same compromises to save his own and that led to his fall. Along the way, Sylvanas was one of his many victims. Her way of overcoming that trauma has tragically led her down the same path as Arthas, it didn't have to, but her path was one of the ways that characters can act in that situation.
Cersei Windrunner thought she had The Alliance with that wildfire but she didn't expect winter to come when the daughter of the sea, Elsa Proudmoore showed up to save the day.
El Jefe oh, I'm loving this plot titty twist here
Haha she really looked like elsa
Yeah, at least jaina saved genn, alleria and anduin... so sad for the rest of the soldiers that died inside the keep
This reference to GOT is priceless!!
She was prepared to loose, that's why the second cinematic.
Can we get "Welcome to the Jungle" playing when Jaina shows up?
it fits so well. I have just played it and when there was "very sexy lady" there was Anduin xD
Immigrant Song!
YES
I would love to see that
Someones seen Megamind :D
when Panser laughs as they hearth away...LOL classic! made me laugh too
"She's never been this evil"
Yeah, she has
She’s not even evil, sorry you’re too naive to see the truth
@@ShaneshaS LMAO, you cant be serious
Long life my Queen Sylvanas ,, Best leader ever >> Burrrrnt it hell yea For the horde
Yeah genocide sure is fun!
BURN IT
"She never seemed to relish in torture."
Aside from when she blighted Southshore.
And when she blighted the entire city of Gilneas against the orders of her Warchief (even Garrosh didn't want to go that far).
And the time she tried to enslave an entire race of titan keepers.
Sylvanas has always been a villain, its not exactly a secret. That's not to say shes not a great character. But let's not pretend like shes always been "morally grey".
She's making the humans - and by extension, the Alliance - pay for everything that Arthas did to her. She feels it's within her right; the humans made her what she is.
Jens Nielson One the most pathetic defense of Sylvanas i seen.
And trust me, these days, every defense of Sylvanas is pathetic.
Lukas Opalka I don't understand what's wrong with people like you. I'm merely explaining the reason for her actions because people like you act like there's no logic to any of Sylvanas's actions.
Nobody here is defending her actions in this **fictional story** . But by all means, keep being an idiot.
The "morally grey" thing needs to stop. Blizzard never once said Sylvanas or her actions were morally grey. Ion said Warcraft was a world of more greys than absolute black or white. It's the fandom that pinned the whole "morally grey" thing on Sylvanas and claiming Blizzard doesn't know how to do their job.
Jens Nielson
Reasons ?! These are nothing more than pathetic excuses.
Moreover, if we go with your logic, she should hate orcs and Blood elves too.
Ner'zhul was a orc shaman. And Dar'Khan Drathir let Arthas into Quel'Thalas.
And don't we forget she should hate forsaken too. Bacause many of them was Arthas army at that time.
That your logic.
Great reaction :) an LOVE seeing Sylvanas for whom she has ALWAYS BEEN. Evil and Selfish. AN yes the Jana boat was wtf omg amazing.
I don't care what anyone else say's she's still MY Warchief.
a shit Warchief
she may be the warchief now, but she will be everyone loot pinata in the end.
I love my Dark Lady, although Jaina was pretty badass coming in on that boat. I can't wait for next week.
FOR THE HORDE
Sylvanas has no interest in the Horde, you could all die and she wouldn't care.
For the forsaken ,nice try Edwin ,nice try
U horde bitches have no honour. Except Saurfang
Says the Alliance who burned all of Tirisfal Glades. Yes thats so honorable...
Yuri
Take your real life morals and honor out of the game you role playing nut
For the dark lady! Lolz
Sylvanas has always been like this, the only difference now is that she has nobody to hold her back, she doesn't have to be calculated like she was when going against the wishes of the warchief.
Wowhead has a nifty collection of lore bits from the novels, including an argument between her and Saurfang that hints at the motivation being, "Make the world one kingdom, and make it Undead." While I don't do it justice, if that's what they're aiming at here, then I can definitely see the "morally grey" bit.
In the book about Arthas, it has a chapter in it were Sylvanas is watching them test the blight on a human girl they have captive and she is all smiles pretty much licking her lips at what she is watching. they test it on a one of her people as well but she does not get off to it as much as she does watching the human girl's fear and suffering.
"Why is she like this." She has always been like this.
Navhkrin what about this wasn’t calculated? Or do you have a better way to calculate for a magic plot armor ship? Redo ALL the Forsaken quests and come back. She has always been crazy, the only difference is now she has the resources to do this on a global scale being the warchief
Navhkrin what are you talking about? She purged greymanes city just like the tree, but no fan boys have their eyes closed
Navhkrin she's 'simply' making the humans pay for what their prince and king did to her and the people she was sworn to protect. Sylvanas's entire existence is practically nothing but torment, and the only afterlife that awaits her is filled with more of the same. Her end goal is more or less to destroy Stormwind and turn its inhabitants into Forsaken. Only when the humans all share her tormented existence will the scales be balanced.
Sylvanas doesn't really care about the Horde and only allied with it out of convenience and necessity to ensure that she and her Forsaken followers could live in relative peace after the Alliance wanted little or nothing to do with them. She only remotely cares about the Forsaken - who share her existence - and the Blood Elves, her old people. She'll happily sacrifice Horde forces and civilian lives if it hurts the humans and those who would help defend their capital.
The only reason she has any claim to the position as Warchief is because Vol'jin chose her. This is also pretty much the only reason why the other Horde faction leaders haven't turned against Sylvanas yet - because they respect Vol'jin's decision. But so far, Sylvanas has done nothing but prove everyone's worst doubts and fears, and this to the point where even old soldier Saurfang is starting to doubt his warchief.
to be fair, if Jaina hadn't shown up out of nowhere, this move would have wiped out the symbol of hope for the alliance (Simba), and killed greymane, who basically ruined her hope of a lasting future for her people's long term survival.
@Navhkrin SHE WAS ALWAYS LIKE THIS SINCE DAY 1...THE FORSEKEN JUST WANT TO DESTROY ALL THE LIVING IN AZEROTH
I wonder how many capital cities Sylvanas will destroy? 2 down..
As we know that the Horde will control Kalimdor and Alliance wil control The Eastern Kingdoms everything that regards to the other faction will fall in those places.
except for Silvermoon/The Exodar because y'know... software limitations
3 actually, Gilneas, Teldrassil, and Lordaeron
you beat me to it
yup plague and worgen all gilneas fault lol
I love your style missy and will sub. keep up the good work and enjoy I was horde in vanilla but changed when the Lich king came.
Sylvanas just used some actual war tactic, called 'scorched earth' . If you can't win destroy everything the enemy could somehow use for themself. Her trap failed, but she left the Alliance leaders with nothing but dead people and nothing to gain. I think she played her cards better than in the burning of Teldrasil event^^
Sylvanas will do whatever it takes to get her revenge on the humans - and by the extension, the Alliance - for what Arthas did to her and her people. She has no interest in being Warchief save using the Horde army as a means to further her plans of destroying Stormwind. That she was chosen by Vol'jin is extremely interesting since, so far, she has only proven everyone's doubts and fears about her taking the position. Many of the other horde leaders do not like where she is leading them, but they stay loyal solely out of respect for Vol'jin's choice as well as tradition.
Everything Sylvanas has done so far has been entirely within character. Now that she finally has her revenge within grasping range, she's taking joy in what she does.
It will become apparent that she is a necessary evil, because being dead gives her certain immunities from control.
So it looks like the Night Elves, Worgen and Forsaken are looking for a new city to call home. I get the feeling that Gilneas might become a focal point in BfA at some point. A bit of speculation on my part.
Looking forward to getting off of work and running that scenario.
Well theres been map markers and locations alluding to a Silverpine Forest Warfront so its definitely very likely that Gilneas will be relevant.
Stormwind for the new Forsaken capital city.
RMHansen
*Gilneas is TIGHT!*
i hope we go there
Could be.. I wonder if Dalaran will return to its original location - it is not needed over on Broken Isles anymore.
Would be strange if they didn't do anything with Gilneas now. The big issue was that Undercity and by extension the horde was right next door and since that's not a problem anymore now would be the perfect time to reclaim it and rebuild it. It's a very good spot with great access to the sea which is more relevant now than ever before since we're going to kul tiras. It would also just be really cool to see the Gilneans now return the favor to the night elves and take them in during their time of need!
"Sylvanas has never been like a cat toying with a mouse." How quickly you forget the way she poisoned arthas with a paralyzing arrow purely so she can relish in his slow death back in TFT.
I agree with you, Sylvanas was different before this expansion. She always did awful things, but they had purpose. It was an elaborate plan, now she’s being wicked for wicked sake. Which also means that she is being careless. Someone so active to avoid death seems to be baiting it on.
I must say though, replaying WC3 lately Sylvanas is kinda snarky even before she became a banshee :) I think one of Blizzards biggest mistakes with Sylvanas in general is that she didn't have much screen time before now, I hear alot of people calling her cold and calculated yet in all the side media that was never really an image that got portrayed, I for one atleast see no cold calculations in her suicide when she jumps off of Icecrown performing a Saruman dive onto spikes :P I am glad that the direction the story has taken has spurred such hot feelings in the player base, even if I personally would've loved seeing Sylvanas going a different route, all she has done sofar to me atleast feels very much in line of the character she was portrayed as in all the media outside WoW (again that's an issue) love the vid though and am looking forward to BfA :D
When you say "all the media outside WoW," are you thinking of _War Crimes_ and _Before the Storm?_ Because they were both written by Christie Golden, who is the only one who writes Sylvanas as an overemotional hot mess prone to temper tantrums.
I have no idea what happened at the end of this video lmaoooooooo. I am so good at this.
I thought I had a stroke lol Thank god
TradeChat 😂😂😂
I only watch tradechat like once a year, perhaps because these cinematic reaction videos pop up in my feed, and every time she has a totally different hair. She's either full of energy or has issues. Idk, this is just what first came to mind.
I can't help but wonder if you've been watching the same Sylvanas as the rest of us. She's always been snarky. One of my favorite lines in all of her storyline was when Garrosh told her to watch her clever mouth. This all seems to me to be in true Sylvanas style. Did we forget what happened at the Wrathgate? She is a villain, even among the Horde. I love her so much and I am absolutely tickled to see her in the spotlight.
Sylvanas is such a badass, Best Warchief so far. Then again, I main an undead. Hehehe
best Warchief? so making the Horde tthe obvious bad guys makes her the best Warchief to u? or is it simply cuz "undead boobies"?
People call her a villain but how often are the undead ever seen as hero’s? What other race can say their existence was originally started purely out of evil? What “good” way is there for us to exist? We cannot have children. Each and every member of the Forsaken had a life amongst a the living at some point and passed on. We were then raised and given a choice to stay within the fold and follow our Dark Lady or venture out on our own into a world that will hate us purely for existing.
We tried to join the Alliance but were seen as abominations no different than the creatures controlled by the lich king. Amongst the Horde we are allowed to exist, but are often used as front line cannon fodder because we are already dead. Our number are not infinite, we are not immortal, or immune from being wounded. You tell us to do what is honorable but our existence isn’t that simple because no one would choose to exist like this. To keep from extinction we must rip new souls from the grave and put them on the path of damnation. It is not pleasant, it is not joyful, it is a fact of life for us.
We are the Forsaken. You see our Dark Lady’s action and vile and villainous. We see them as those of a leader who’s grown tired of having hers and her people existence objected too. We are the Forsaken and we will keep moving forward.
Alright so if you read this and are getting ready to write about everything I got wrong
1. I intentionally left stuff out, I wrote this as more of a propaganda piece then one of facts.
2. I wrote this for fun and I feel so-so about it. So please be kind.
That’s all. Go nuts
Alec Vall it fits for the Forsaken, they are a dying race that is hated by one faction and barely tolerated by most of the other
I don't understand the idea that Forsaken even need to "procreate". If the life of the undead is an accursed one of damnation, then why would you put other people unwillingly on that path? Why not just live if you want to live, for as long as you can, and then if your "people" eventually die out, then all the better - because it means no more people have to suffer what you did?
"We need more of us" isn't an explanation, it's an action. Forsaken are essentially sentient zombies, who already lived lives as other races, then died. There's no reason they need to make more, and no moral justification for doing so. "It's a fact of life for us" is an epic dodge of responsibility for what they are doing to people who have died and are at rest.
I completely understand why current Forsaken don't want to just kill themselves - go and live for as long as you can live - but it makes no sense why they need to create more. Humans procreate because we age and die.
If you're a Forsaken of sound mind and moral grounding, you should WANT to see your "race" eventually die out, because it means no one else has to go through what you've gone through. By raising more, you're just expanding the suffering for selfish ends.
This just reinforces the utterly immoral, indefensible position of Sylvanas and the Forsaken. "I need more arrows for my quiver" is not a moral position. Creating more eternally cursed, damned zombies for strategic reasons, is not a moral position. It's evil. You're taking people peacefully at rest, and not only forcefully conscripting them into an army they never chose, but essentially damning their souls for all time in the process. I can think of nothing more evil.
That was a great video! Loved your reaction.
Jaina's face when he mentioned Teldrassil. It's all going through her head, poor girl didn't even know Teldrassil was gone.
Bubble Hearth FTW! haha
jaina has become the mother of dragons.
James Mcgown more like mother of boats.
U mean mother of pigs
Void Walker nah mother of my children
I mean, if she and Kalec can get around the species barrier....
If you think that toying with her prey is new, you didn't see her in WC3 when she wanted to torture Arthas with a paralyzing poison arrow as revenge for what he did for her.
It was Sylvanas's plan to lure the Alliance to Lordaeron where she could eliminate Anduin and Genn. Saurfang evacuated the entire city, unlike Teldrassil. 1 resounding victory for Sylvanas, 1 Pyrrhic victory for the Alliance.
When Anduin and his followers made entrance to Lordaeron, that moment was so iconic, it gave me shivers and goosebumps. As if it was a deja-vu of the downing of Lordaeron in Warcraft III
I like this plot.
Sylvanas sounds like azhara anyone notice that
Josh Coleman Maybe this Sylvanas is Queen Azshara in disguise 🤔
Eiji Shinjo I agree plus aszhara is incredibly powerful in the ways of magic and illusion... No doubt after the fall of sargeras she noticed and decided to make some moves
That's what I'm hoping.
I've played that quest on both sides. I like to see both stories. Well done!
It’s not about “if I can’t have it no one can” it’s about bleeding even more alliance forces. They had their entire army their and opportunity missed if sylvanas didn’t kill as many as possible. The warchief is thinking the long term survival of the horde and that means tough decisions have to be made.
For lady Jaina ^^
For the Arch Mage!
For The Alliance, now and forever!
Sylvanas sure don't like cities.
I will give it to Sylvanas, when she commits to a path she damn well commits. I certainly don't like that she blighted her own living troops, but it was turning into a route either way. Also, she's not crazy - she planned for every contingency and even when everything went pear shaped due to Jaina's brilliant intro she still had a proper retreat planned. The fact that the retreat was pulled off by risking her life makes it even more commendable.
Anyone remembers the exchange between Sylvanas and Garrosh in silverpine, where she says the only way her people can survive is by creating more forsaken and Garrosh tells her she is becoming just like Arthas? She is waging a war against the living, she doesn’t care about the living. Even the Void says “She is the true enemy” ...
I am the only one who likes more this silvanas
I love this sylvanas
Same. I love Dark characters being...dark and not giving any shits.
I know a lot of people are screaming "Garrosh 2.0" right now, but I don't think even Blizzard is that short sighted as to see why it'd make a terrible plot line. There are too many reasons NOT to kill her off as a raid boss, or even boot her from the Horde as Warchief.
Blizzard has something planned for Sylvannas and the Horde. She will never be "good", but I highly doubt she will be evil.
Only time will tell.
I would love to see her in a badass role like they did with illidan during legion.
She's already evil. Burning down a tree that only held civilians is evil. There's nothing morally grey about that.
I did the quests on the alli side, and Genn was in Teldrassil, along with a few others. Saying only civilians is fake news.
mattyone78 Genn only showed up towards the end to get his wife out of there. But yes, there were a few key people and soldiers there - at most 20. Compared to the near 1000 civilians Alliance players try to save. Doesn't make a difference if there was still a small contingent of the military held up in there, it's still an evil act to burn it down with all those civilians.
Which means not only civilians, my initial comment stands.
It all started in cataclysm when she sacked Gilneas. Even Hartley noted she was going "Lich King"
I was in the Beta, so I never saw these cinematics until I ran the Scenario today. Not gonna lie, Jaina's entrance was friggin' AWESOME! Like, someone edit it so "Shoot to Thrill" just plays full blast when the ship appears, that needs to be a thing. xD
The throne room scene I was thinking Sylvanas was giving her bow to Nathanos to snipe Anduin or even Genn, just to give them some reason to retreat; no, blighting the entirety of Lordaeron makes more sense, it forces the Alliance back and denies them a foothold to stage an advance on Quel'Thalas. Whether that was ultimately the plan or not, I have no idea, but it was a smart move in any case. She and Alleria and (Crap, I forgot the third sister's name, I know there were three Windrunner, I can't name the third!) all came from Quel'Thalas, so it'd be no surprise if Sylvanas felt some deep connection to her home city still, even with her resentment for the living dominating her common sense.
It's called scorched earth.
the scorched earth tactic is the military equivalent of licking all the cookies because you couldnt have any. the act of a desperate and petulant child.
Sylvanas is amazing
nah, she's a nutjob/undead Hilary Clinton
KazuHiashi Nope not in anyway amazing, just annoying.
Sounds like a bunch of babies but okay
She didn't see Sylvanas say how she valued the lives of the horde when talking with Saurfang? "Honor means nothing to a corpse" "Maybe you don't care if your people die as long as it is honorable. But to me the horde is worth saving. Anyone who disagrees does not deserve to stand among us." That's my warchief!
God, girl! Why are you so emotionally invested in this. Go out into the world. Have your own REAL LIFE adventures! Fall in love, or don't! Start a career! Go to graduate school! Start a company! And remember that this is only a diversionary FANTASY game!!
I still waiting for Vol'jin's words "no one will understand" to make sense
JPGard
- Oh please, too much faith in Blizzards writing. They just invent lore as they go. In Cata they promised Garrosh as leader of the Horde would make sense to the players. Nope. Just insane.
look Jaina face on this part 4:09 little secret !? :-\
Just found out what happened, was busy singing on the sea.
idle animations dont find their way into cutscenes...
Yeah, she found out about the tree in that moment, cause before she was busy singing on the sea and levitating the flying dutchwoman out of the sea lul. So thats why she was surprised
So then... how did she know to just show up at UC if she was JUST learning about the burning...?
She looked confused.
Sylvanas is a mere pawn, the moment she fell of icecrown and was impaled by saronite her mind was not her's anymore saronite the blood of yogg saron not only tears the body apart but corrupts the the soul as well, she constantly gets whispers like "They are coming for you..." and "Kill them all... before they kill you..." the battle for Azeroth is probably between two old gods
"You can't dent what Jaina did was really cool because it was really, really, really cool."
-Panser, 2018
i love sylvannas so much i hope they won't pull a garrosh 2.0
So... What kind of mount do you think she'll drop during the raid?
I would jump on a sylvanas mount if u know what I mean
It's coming. Sylvanas is going very rapidly from sinister protagonist to massive, massive antagonist.
razvan tudor
I am so glad we are ridding the horde of the dead!
They had it comming from day 1.
::glares in Forsaken:: You aren't gonna get rid of an entire player race, dude.
... she isn't BECOMING anything. This is how she has been since WC3 and Classic WoW. Go rewatch the Undead character intro cinematic from Classic WoW. This isn't something new.
Nice of Jaina to show up after everything in Legion was taken care of in her discount goblin zeppelin and shoot at an already broken wall.
You have to admit that that Sylvanas move was really smart she almost smash the enemy king whit a single blow. Touche Sylvanas, well played
4:11 But why Jaina looking around when Anduin is saying that Sylvanas burned Teldrassil? Is Jaina hiding something or it's just me false hoping...
She didn't know about it. She was just like.... WHAT?
Jo Pro First comes shock, then anger
Jo Pro she most likely just found out just now and she was just processing it
Probably just found out. She wasn't there.
She just found out, but knew to go to UC? She heard about the invasion but not the reason why? Seems legit.
I love Sylvanas more and more every day and the Alliance keeps walking into trap after trap FOR THE HORDE!!!!!!!!
For The Forsaken! :)
Did you notice at the end when the faction leaders are on the ships staring at each other Bane’s eyes are filled with anger and hatred but they are firmly on Sylvanus in the beginning.
IDK, this is totally what Sylvanas should do, this fits here character. And she does enjoy toying with her enemies. In warcraft 3 instead of killing Arthas when she ambushed him, she decided to poison him to give him a slow an painful death such as hers(as she described it) and then she toyed with the dread lord and that human general, I forgot his name.
To me this is awesome and totally in character for her. She was being still and chill when the world threats were threatening the world, but now without any threats she is back to being herself.
Are you missing the fact she said she is about the horde and the living she wants a long term peace not some peace cause the boy king wants it now.
The "Horde and the Living" ... interesting choice of words. It didn't escape my notice which Horde races she primarily put on the front-lines ... then blighted and rezzed ... Long term peace, even if the Alliance falls, can that really happen within a faction that's held together primarily through a common enemy? I don't think she's so short-sighted as to overlook that issue. "We've payed the price for sharing this world" ... and the Forsaken will not share it with anyone. Down with the Living! For the Forsaken...
rj Me i mean if Anduin wants peace now it is because the biggest baddie and the source of like 80% of the bad stuff on Warcraft was just beaten and there is not major reason to fight anymore, aside from the discovery of Azerite, and Anduin has always been about peace, so much so he is the only Alliance member to have been welcomed to Thunder Bluff
Yes... Peace by genocide. That reminds me of someone infamous from real history.
I mean... no. No she doesn’t, she doesn’t care for peace at all, she has said as much and shown as much. I’m not sure if your just blinded by faction love or the love of the ass of an undead elf but either way she’s a genocidal maniac who has proven as much, time and time again, at this point your just fabricating things about her to make her look good.
Johnathon Raleigh it is a war there is going to be death. She hasn’t burned storm wind down no she burned a tree that is on the same area as the hordes capital. All countries has established borders. The alliance can stay on their side.
Awesome reaction
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Anyone noticed that when someone say "Lets end this now!" or "We will END this now!" in wow cinematics they usually get killed or walk in a trap.
Moral of the story: Dont try to end it now...?
"You put the torch to Teldrassil" - Anduin / "Five Keys to open our way. Five torches to light our path" - Ilgynoth
I'm waiting for the day nathanos just once in his goddamn life says no to sylvanas!
Haha, I know. He's such a door mat.
he's gettin that sylvanas booty, no way he will say no
I don't think that's ever going to happen. His current human body is the body of his cherished little cousin, who Sylvanas presented to him as a replacement for his crumbling form and he willingly accepted for the ritual.
Oh, and his cousin was alive when he made this decision, by the way.
Why? All is going according to plan?
Breeana Brazel oh wow...I've always hated that douchebag Nathanos!
Sylvanas was cringey, Genn was triggered boi, Anduin is being an angel as always, and Baine.. Baine was beautiful.
agreed
And Alleria was bae. *
And Jaina was the badass bitch that saved their asses
Dubba fuk u
4:09 "You put the torch to Teldrassil" watch Jaina's eyes. She wasn't even aware Teldrassil had fallen.
Also note...including that moment in before the storm, that brief moment of hesitation when she handed him her bow was the third time we've seen Nathanos hesitate over her orders. It would be an interesting parallel...Alleria and Turalyon's relationship is becoming strained, and now it seems Nathanos and Sylvanas aren't quite as perfectly in tune either.
Jaina did look badass in this cinematic, but I still trust on whatever my Queen has planned. Lok'tar Ogar!
I play horde, always have, but I freaking love JAINA!!! Always have... xD
I love how all this is happening with the horde and alliance, meanwhile, the lich king is probably laughing at us all.
The void is afraid of Sylvanas. She's not turning into Garrosh 2.0. She's not turning evil. She's the HERO we need to fight the void and old gods.