Arrogance, it gets people killed, PERIOD. This is crazy, just bring the building down, pay settlements and do whatever, common sense basically should tell everyone to do that but no.
@@forthefunofit3230 oh if it fell it would b national or international it's SF so it makes headlines. Esp in fault line area. Let's hope if a quake hits it stays??😵😵😂😲😲 The laugh is for ' it prob won't stand a quake
In America we live by the philosophy that it's better to impose untold suffering and misery on millions than let a single capitalist miss out on a single molecule of potential profit.
@@DrJL-cw3jd Bull. It only occurs in your fantasyland. Those people you look down on are the ones who pay for people like you to spend all this time online whining about the most obvious fact: Life sucks and is not fair. You're welcome.
@@DrJL-cw3jd Yes, we need the much better quality construction like buildings in Communist China. LOL! Besides, this is in San Francisco, the nation doesn't get more blue than here.
In America we live by the philosophy that it's better to impose untold suffering and misery on millions than let a single capitalist miss out on a single molecule of potential profit.
Like a future episode of engineering disasters. I dont forsee a fix for this other than immediate Demolition of this disgrace refunding all past and present tennants and revoking the Engineering Contractors license. City planners and Engineers should be FIRED! Any supervisor that drags their feet or votes against full transparency should be impeached.
he is one of the city supervisors. first, he made a public safety statement.... and he is going to base his statement on the city building inspector, who cannot be held liable ...... in the end, he did wonder about the "point of no return" ..... :-)
The building foundation is made of concrete, and the concrete is crumbling...... but you have nothing to worry about ...... you are either very brave or clueless..... :-)
Landill from cable car turnaround to Ferry Building to Fishermans Wharf. No officials live there. Mob money and officials just scamming people. Why u think officials live in Orinda, Marin etc anywhere but San Francisco?!?
@@zqpcydbfoqbdiehdj There are lots of high end fixtures like sinks, toilets and tubs that can be removed from the condo units and sold. However I'm wondering of the building's electrical and mechanical equipment would have salvage value. The elevators are Mitsubishi which are state of the art that could be sold for spare parts.
@@kansasthunderman1 Hi, I appreciate your enthusiasm for recycling but sadly this stuff is probably ten cents on the dollar. You’re looking at a piece of real estate worth hundreds of millions of dollars, at least when it was sold.
Sure does and then this soon to be failure would be considered premeditated negligent homicides. On a busy afternoon thousands of lives could be at stake. People are far more valuable than things or money. I wish they would do the right thing before the inevitability of this engineering disaster. We get another 89 rolling quake and this building will likely fail.
@@fatmooseknuckle I know. They need to take it down, implode it, start over. Spend the extra 4mil. It would have cost originally to build into bedrock. Short cuts tsk tsk tsk with so many at risk. Shame
im a Contractor and a Piledriver. I cannot believe that a Union Piledriving Contractor would bid on let alone take on a project like this on landfill, bay mud, over an active fault line. That Contractor would no longer be signatory if I had my way. But I no longer see unions doing the right thing anymore. Hell they told their members to vote for brandon who killed over 2k union jobs his first day in office for one very wealthy warren buffet.Heaven forbid that tycoon lose money on his railroad. Thats why we are paying over 5 fricken dollars a gallon. Time for me to retire!
The tenants' trouble(s) is more that they really need that 1.8mill back for any hope of finding other housing in or around SF (or sometimes there just is none), but no one wants to buy a leaning sinking condo. He may have just had the funds to cut his losses and bail, which is respectable. Or some brave soul bought it from him, which is questionable. o-o;
In America we live by the philosophy that it's better to impose untold suffering and misery on millions than let a single capitalist miss out on a single molecule of potential profit.
@@DrJL-cw3jd We DO NOT have capitalism. Your communist dreams should be directed at Bankers who constructed a totally controlled economic system that only serves them. We have banker-crony capitalism in its worst form. Communism has killed over 100 million people. Between Stalin and Mao, that estimate is likely “low”.
@@michaelpagsanhan9376 There are strong disclosure laws relating to property sales in CA. I don't see how they could avoid being held liable for non - disclosure. Something fishy there.
God have mercy!!! All it takes is a nice 5.5 shaking and it is going to be a absolute disaster it's right in the middle of downtown as well that is crazy. For the love of God people get out
This tower is built on top of the rubble from the 1906 earthquake. The rubble was used for land fill into the bay. The soil of this area will liquify in a earthquake. Dumb!
Pure greed-stop the repairs, someone is going to get hurt. The contractors wants the job and the tenants want to fix their property value. What about the workers under the building? The cars/pedestrians if it fails?
Not to mention the restaurants on its ground floor, neighboring buildings, and that very busy intersection at Mission & Fremont? And you are right, W.D.: unsuspecting cars, pedestrians, buses next door at the Transbay Terminal--if another Florida happens it would be that catastrophe times 20.
Yes, that's what I'm curious about. What is the developer's liability to owners of the surrounding buildings, not just if it collapses, but even now. Do people really want to lease office or buy a condo in a nearby building? This has probably affected the value of those properties.
@@rottingravensblood9106 And spending millions to make it worse, chasing away the wealthy, by being a threat to everything around it, being super expensive with its foundations rotting, etc
With all those other sky scrappers right next to it, I can't even imagine the domino effect the destruction of this building would cause for the other buildings. It's not just about this one building, but about the chaos from the destruction that would cause if the other buildings also go down with it.
Now day's they can disassemble a building, without disturbing surrounding buildings. Check that building in Las Vegas, unconstructed the building, no problem.
great! list your skin colour, sexual orientation, political affiliation, and gentials (or lack thereof). if you're a match, we'll hire you a ten times the private sector rate, with lavish benefits, calpers pension, etc. you'll never be sacked, either.
@@sheiladikshit5110 huh that’s wierd, as a brown guy I get paid as shitty as anyone else. Where can I apply to these lucrative jobs that you speak of as a my-no-ready?
The Designers had no clue the Millennium Tower was going to lean and tilt - you would have to be completely insane to live in that building , completely insane to believe anything that the engineers , that have Absolutely No Clue what the building will do , design going forward whereas anchoring just one side of the building into bedrock will put more Force onto the Bearing Load supports while anchoring into bedrock now will cost more than the entire building . The column support concrete and rebar system is shattering, spalling , and water in that location is a huge issue .
Thank you KPIX Ch 5, you have the only pictures of the foundation that I've seen, the spalling and deterioration of the concrete plus the exposed rebar is very serious, this is the same condition that occurred at the condominiums in Florida. Public opinion is that the building should be dismantled, before we have an earthquake, which will certainly bring the building down. This is an opportunity to save lives, not only the people that lived there, but the innocent people on the street and sidewalks below the building.
I've followed the news about this sporadically since it first hit the papers, but I had never seen the spalling of the concrete before. That is frightening.
First decent quake and that thing is coming down for sure if it doesnt fall before then. The thing being as far off plumb as it is is putting a massive weight force in a bad direction laterally, and the more it tilts the worse and fast it will tilt further
@@HobbyOrganist Yes the fix is uneven and lopsided, strong on one side weak on the other side. Even if they say the bulbing is safe, most people they talked to said, they would not work or live there. 😝😁
The engineer, David, has a stunning Craftsman home with those warm wood clad walls and coffered ceilings. Comfortably low and anchored to the ground as it should be. He knows how we should live.
@@verngoossen3628 They are drilling to bedrock on the settling/leaning Northwest side, connecting that to the foundation and hoping the high Southeast side will settle after 10-20 years, leveling the building.
"We know it's illegal to do this, but they got away with it." DON'T THEY ALWAYS? I can't recall any of the engineers of these flawed buildings ever being held actually being held criminally accountable for the losses that occur.
It is disgusting. People engineer buildings that collapse and cause deaths; authorities slap the engineer on the wrist and put their heads back in the sand.
@@eckankar7756 too bad the victims have either not disclosed or had to sell for pennies on the dollar. And I doublt the latter was the issue. Those condos start at 3 mil dollars. OUTRAGEOUS!
@@kansasthunderman1 Likely more than just one block's radius, in fact. Toppling materials will gain velocity and reach farther than one block. Very anxiety-provoking. You've got the Transbay Terminal and Salesforce buildings there, Joe & The Juice and International Smoke restaurants underneath. Extremely busy streets all around there. Yikes.
This building is leaning toward Market Street, downtown's main artery, and the tower is tall enough to affect every building between it and Market. Evacuate the building and then dismantle it. It's the only way.
There are plenty of drug kingpins who will buy a condo in that pile of junk building just to launder drug money. In fact, the whole real estate boom in the U.S. is being funded through dirty money of some sort.
@@ronk9830 The unit is ensured. The common areas are covered by the insurance policy of the homeowners associated which is paid from the fees collected from all the condo owners.
I didn't say it wasn't insured, I said it wasn't insured in the same manner. Of course it's insured. But they're at the mercy of the homeowners association for compensation in that case. Not very advantageous.
"Resident learns his condo is broken by losing his marbles." No need to state his financial status. Makes it less relatable to everyone that lives in the city. This really takes a toll on everyone, not just the owners. It was a great hook though!
When there's that much money involved, lives and safety are a secondary concern. I hope there's some kind of warning event so people can get out before it falls.
The problem: --if it falls it may take surrounding structures and people with it. Let's hope this fix really stabilizes the building. It should have been built correctly in the beginning. Profit seems to trump human safety in today's world. Designer and Contractor at fault.
Don't forget the neighboring buildings residents that this will topple on to are staring out their windows every 12 minutes to see if the Millennium tower is looking any closer.
@@eckankar7756 That's a good point I hadn't thought of. The collateral damage could take out the whole area. The people in the neighboring buildings must be terrified as they look out the window and listen to all the well paid engineers trying to convince them that that there's nothing to be concerned about.
@@philblane5752 So true----I certainly would not be able to sleep in that building knowing I'm inching closer to street level every day. I would think upper floors would be slanted to the point of effort to walk around and keep one's balance.
Public officials who gave the approval not to have foundation pinned unto bedrock should all be locked up! Residents working and living around the building is in real danger…the spalding in the garage is incredible! What is SF officials waiting for now? And earthquake? People’s lives are in danger….what will City do?
Dead people still vote Democrat. What's the danger? There's no downside in this situation. The status quo will be maintained, regardless if there's a disaster. It's bidness as usual.
Yep, and at the current tilt it would probably only take a 3.0-4.0 quake to do it. 25 inches might not be a lot but that's 25 inches of building hanging over the balance point for the entire structure...
Absolutely. The sandy soil the building is sitting in ( with no bedrock pilings ) in an earthquake turns to liquid. And when that happens that building IS falling over. Period. Could happen any day now
@@BelleOmbreGrey And they’re only going to install this support on 2 sides of the foundation, and wait before supporting the other 2 sides. That gives the earthquakes plenty of time.
@@BelleOmbreGrey No. Mechanically it might fall, (might not fall). The building will be continue to be a money pit of continued repairs AND the owners will default, walk away. The units will have no resale value and any remnant of an HOA will be burdened by increasing financial liability. Monthly HOA dues will skyrocket. Property insurance for both the HOA and individuals will be ever more expensive, or become unavailable all together. Windows will continue to crack. And the hazard of falling glass will not go away. Bankruptcies all around. Vacancies and worthless AND continued escalating repair/maintenance. It’ll look like your worst dead shopping mall with leaking roof AT BEST. IMO
This project was stared before the Great Recession and built during the worst of part of the recession. I’m sure all kinds of changes and corners were cut during the build.
When the building was first built, I was very close to placing a deposit on a two bedroom condo in that building. I decided not to move ahead. My main reason was that the 1.75 million dollar condo did not come with a deeded parking space. You paid a monthly valet parking fee but could not pull your car into your own private spot. There were not enough parking spaces for the over 400 condos so there would be a chance that you would have to find parking elsewhere. I guess another reason I decided no was the angel whispering into my ear to "run."
That is now the trend. Build a 60 unit apt building with 40 unassigned spaces, under the belief many residents will use public transportation. I never would have guessed they could sell that concept to high end condo buyers.
@@CallMeAdam2023 one small match, and THE WHOLE THING IS A GLOWING FIRESTICK.......i can't imagine, how/what people can do ....for VANITY EGO AND STATUS. i , for one, just like to mow my OWN LAWN, with raspberries and trees......ya'all can have your 686,000,000 pound 'building' built on basically a swamp....the whole BAY AREA sank 3 inches allready......so far, so good. GOOD FOR SANFRAN MAYOR AND COUNCIL.........mother earth, and millenium tower, are SPEAKING TO YOU......BUT, ALAS, ya'all are NOT HEEDING AND LISTENING. see my extended comment , above on this tipping dominoe...
It is near, not on, the San Andreas Fault. The source of the sinking problem is that the builders did not drive the pilings all the way down to bedrock.
@@RaymondHng Doesn't have to be on it to be severely impacted, severe seismic activity on the dangerous Hayward fault that traverses much of the EastBay would effectively topple it.People walking, living, working anywhere near this travesty, are in eminent danger. Dismantle it.
When a homeowner sells their Condo, they must disclose any defects such as current or past mold issues, foundation issues, etc. and if corrected, what steps were taken etc. I certainly hope the new purchasers of these Condos are made aware of leaning issues, plumbing defects, crumbling concrete, and steps being taken to correct these problems and possible future HOA increases.
@@elwoodblues9613 In my opinion, no honest realtor would take this on although, I'm sure there are investors that need a "tax loss write-off" to balance their investment portfolio. They purchase this as a rental rent it a few times and then write-off the months/years it sits vacant. Thus, balancing their other money-making investments.
You forget the HOA documents that are also, by law, given to any buyer during escrow which includes minutes, cash reserves, meeting agenda and so forth. All of this would be in those records and most buyer never read them. However, something this big would have to be disclosed by the seller too and in writing to the buyer. If this particular buyer didn't get any notice during his escrow...the seller, their agent and the HOA would have a legal problem. Its likely any escrow company in the area would also have known anything to do with this building of condo's have structure disclosures that need to be addressed and stipulate they be included with any transaction they might handle.
I can't blame that tenant for moving out of the Millennium Tower. Hopefully, other ones will follow his example and do the same thing. Still the building eventually will have to come down floor by floor. This is out of safety concerns.
Who's going to buy any vacant condos there now? Knowing what the problem is? It's definitely going to fall despite the Fixes, It's like putting a band - Aid on bleeding arteries . Lot's of people are going to die when it falls, And other businesses and buildings and car's will be destroyed.
@@wonderglory It definitely matters. Tenants who rent a condo unit cannot sell the unit. Only the owner can. Furthermore, owners pay the homeowners association dues and the special assessment fees for the lawsuit.
The city should immediately make the building's owner eat the loss and start taking that building down as large a task as that is. This can't be fixed and that is a gigantic hazard to every person within 1/2 a mile of that site.
the building is owned by it's residents. They have an HOA to manage the building and repairs. They might have recourse against the developer and the engineer, but good luck with that - they usually bankrupt when faced with claims if you ever can collect - litigation takes many years.
@@wincrasher2007 Yes the legal ramifications are galactic but the legal ramifications if it falls and kills 1,000 people will dwarf that number by a universal magnitude.
Most important thing for us to realize and understand is that The construction company and builders of this need to not lose money. Regardless of the loss of life or damage to anything else around that building or in that building. The real crime would be rich people being slightly less rich.
That's not entirely fair, they probably can't sell, and may not be able to afford to move. Given the choice of a comfortable, warm, secure apartment which may or may not collapse, OR a cold, wet, vulnerable park bench where you may or may not be arrested, attacked or killed, which would you choose?
@@reachandler3655 best of both worlds, Move the Homeless to the tower and have a nice place to stay and when the building collapses...No more homeless!! win/win.
Moving story: “San Francisco has just weathered a giant 7.8 earthquake! Incredibly, all the buildings looked sound - except for Millennium Tower, as it collapsed on itself…”
A building will likely not collapse in an earthquake unless if the shockwaves resonate with the building's natural frequency. When that happens, the building will list to one side, then to the other, getting pushed more and more by these shockwaves, until collapse. Remember that Millennium Tower is built on reclaimed land from the SF bay, and the bay mud is much less firm and more prone to liquefaction and strong vibrations than the solid bedrock below.
Don’t they realize that even if they do “fix” it, most people won’t trust it enough to live there? I would imagine the real estate around the property will also be affected if it stays, with fears of eventual collapse. It would probably be cheaper and in everyone’s best interest to just dismantle it and take a loss.
they can sell the units to the rich who don't plan to live there but only to hold the asset on their books. we'll call it an imaginary investment. now someone give me a raise and a bonus for thinking of that!
As a pedestrian I would walk at least 2 blocks away from that structure in all directions and live in fear if my building was any where near those2. In my city I zigzag across streets when I see poorly maintain old buildings with lots of cement decoration that could fall away easily. Those streets should be cordoned off.
They need to evacuate that whole building and all the buildings around it, today. What is going on?! It was leaning when I lived in San Francisco ages ago. So glad to get out of there. What a joke of a city.
"The Italians have their own leaning building and are making a mint on tourism. SF should wise up and do the same. Make it a tourist trap." Cheapest rooms in town! Don't worry, it'll NEVER happen!
Thanks for catching up. I asked the question about the point of no return long ago. Twenty-five inches seams a lot for any structure to lean. So, what the building has to lean eighty inches before the point of no return?? How much concrete has to deteriorate? How much dishing has to happen on the foundation slab of concert, for engineers to go, it is time to pull up stakes??
@@sanfranciscobay At my last count the tower is leaning at twenty-seven inches. So, where do they stop and make a decision, at twenty-nine inches. The limit or thirty inches?? Because if the other side of the tower has not moved and does not move. Then what?? I think the decision is going to be made soon. It does not look good.
I'll bet they got bought off and paid someone under the table to change and manipulate design and construction plans to save money and pocketed the profits.
Who in their right mind would buy into a disaster. The sell would have to disclose all this info. The buyer would have had to check for Liens and other shit. Zillow as of today has a 1 bed room condo selling for $775k.
“The building today is not in any imminent threat of structural failure”….really, do you really think that? There are cracks in the foundation and it’s lifting the sidewalk on the side and there’s such an imbalance that marbles are rolling around on the floor like as if on a sinking ship.
wonder if that couple had to sell their condo at a loss because of these issues? can't imagine people buying this property at market values. if so, likely some lawsuit could address that hopefully
the edited interview is very telling 'and we know that's illegal, BUT they got away from it'. Notice the interview question was left out, for all we know the interviewer asked your question.
If you really want to know... Way back in the day before construction even started Treadwell & Rollo, the geotechnical engineer for Millennium Tower just had a 52-story skyscraper at nearby 80 Natoma with the same heavy cast in place concrete construction and shallow foundation as Millennium Tower rejected by the city's Department of Building Inspections so they simply skipped that part of getting the Department of Building Inspections approval and went ahead with the construction of Millennium Towers "they knew" was defective and "they knew" would have been rejected had it been submitted for peer review. This is what happened everything else is interference meant to create doubt and confusion Any further questions can be answered with one word "Money" PERIOD It is beyond my understanding why Engineering Firms are even allowed to decide what plans are submitted and what are not
that sounds correct, it seems by 2017 everyone knew of the issues with the building, so it would have to have been disclosed in the sales contract even though the word was already out
@@mikeifyouplease yes but i was replying to Kirby's comment about the buyers of the condo in 2017. Those buyers in that year would have to have know of the issues w/ building and it would have been disclosed. However the original buyers 2009 and forward (first owners of each condo) did not know, nor did anyone else. First time i heard of the issue was probably late 2015 because i know a RE broker and and she told me her office was informed not to sell to any clients there because the info was coming out...then like 6 months later it was released to public. Its really a shame all around for everyone, however the city and or development dept of the city should have made them drill to bedrock...if anyone is to blame its that dept and how the builders/developers got by without drilling to bedrock
@@kazee502being built upon a landfill, this tower was always going to be a shitshow from the start. How were they able to get away with not drilling to the bedrock? Who thought that was okay?🤔
We Need to see a Dismantling now, followed by a Class action lawsuit. Could you imagine going to sleep at night in this thing ? How many were duped by the spectacular views, but not told "we wanted to save and pocket about $4 million, so we anchored the building in mud,rather than bedrock ".Oh, and ah,forget the ah seismic activity history of San Francisco, and pay no attention to that building in Surfside, Florida.(The Salesperson/Wizard of Oz,"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!)
Class Action lawsuits never never ever help the damaged people. The ones who come out with the most money are the law firms who represent the "Class" and the courts. Stay away from class action and persu on your own.
What happens if it tips to the north when it starts its fall before the weakest level crashes downward then there will be other structures hit as it wavers into and across the street to any adjacent towers,,, like a domino effect all of S.F. could end up a jumbled tangled wreck of collapsed buildings
the city only talks about sinking--- but for every inch of sinking the building is tilting 10 inches at the top the question i have not figured out is HOW OUT OF PLUM IS THAT FARKING BUILDING?? 2- 3- 10 FEET?
That's a lot of lean. The current amount of lean is not affecting the elevators, but if the leaning continues, the guide rails will become out of plumb to the point where the elevators will no longer function.
This isn’t going to end well for a lot of people. If that thing starts to collapse, it’s going to affect everyone inside it, as well as anyone in a several block radius from its collapse. If it falls like a tree cut in the forest, the damage radius is going to be absolutely massive and so is the body count. I can foresee even a small magnitude earthquake being enough to send this thing over… the top floor is already leaning over 2 feet beyond its footprint, and that is a hell of a lot of weight now being supported my a foundation and walls that weren’t designed to handle that now offset weight. Lever-physics will soon take over, and when it does, it’s going to be a very bad day for a lot of people.
They didn’t think that building that fell in Florida was in imminent danger either.
Seriously, why the hell should anybody believe these guys?
Arrogance, it gets people killed, PERIOD. This is crazy, just bring the building down, pay settlements and do whatever, common sense basically should tell everyone to do that but no.
physics is pretty good at predicting things unless there are mistakes or other motives involved.
Exactly what I was thinking as well.
@@rpurdy4821 people who lack common sense are the only ones that dont think this
They need to demolish this building before it becomes a national tragedy
And seize *ALL* assets of those who signed off on its contruction. EVERY F__KING PENNY.
national?...local silly
@@xaenon yep
This whole country is a tragedy
@@forthefunofit3230 oh if it fell it would b national or international it's SF so it makes headlines. Esp in fault line area. Let's hope if a quake hits it stays??😵😵😂😲😲 The laugh is for ' it prob won't stand a quake
Imagine paying top dollar and high taxes just for some low quality half assed construction.
In America we live by the philosophy that it's better to impose untold suffering and misery on millions than let a single capitalist miss out on a single molecule of potential profit.
@@DrJL-cw3jd
Bull.
It only occurs in your fantasyland.
Those people you look down on are the ones who pay for people like you to spend all this time online whining about the most obvious fact: Life sucks and is not fair.
You're welcome.
Democrats.... Not even once.
@@DrJL-cw3jd Yes, we need the much better quality construction like buildings in Communist China. LOL! Besides, this is in San Francisco, the nation doesn't get more blue than here.
In an earthquake zone
The only question is when are they going to admit that the building has to be demolished.
That’s easy. After the earthquake.
In America we live by the philosophy that it's better to impose untold suffering and misery on millions than let a single capitalist miss out on a single molecule of potential profit.
A year after it falls.
Ryte before another deadly collapse like Florida
Don't destroy the building, just put more dirt under it.
OK I am NOT a building engineer! However this tower has all the signs of a disaster in the making.
A moderately severe earthquake will set off liquifaction and the building will fall over. It happened in China during an earthquake.
@@kansasthunderman1 I never even thought about that, and San Francisco is notorious for earthquakes
@@moosefactory133 My friend Mousey quit his job at Salesforce due to this
TIMBER !!!!!!
Like a future episode of engineering disasters. I dont forsee a fix for this other than immediate Demolition of this disgrace refunding all past and present tennants and revoking the Engineering Contractors license.
City planners and Engineers should be FIRED! Any supervisor that drags their feet or votes against full transparency should be impeached.
That's extremely concerning being a seismic zone
I bet their neighbors to the side of the building that's sinking are not sleeping well, either.
one bad earthquake and its a wrap for that building holy shit
@@PrometheuzReturns and the neighboring buildings it falls on to.
@@eckankar7756 downtown gonna be fucked up
@@PrometheuzReturns for sure
The guy saying there’s no imminent problems is hoping he retires before it falls over.
he is one of the city supervisors. first, he made a public safety statement.... and he is going to base his statement on the city building inspector, who cannot be held liable ...... in the end, he did wonder about the "point of no return" ..... :-)
yep
I think you're right. Me smells a massive cover up.
@@Nanakanisurra ...and greased palms.
@@jntj3007 Indeed. San Francisco politics as usual.
It never poses "an immediate life-safety concern" until the moment it does.
ok just seeing that crumbling concrete wall is enough to just run out of that building.
The building foundation is made of concrete, and the concrete is crumbling...... but you have nothing to worry about ...... you are either very brave or clueless..... :-)
That's correct.
@@rottingravensblood9106 this is how you are going to bring your money along when you die.......
@@jonathanthink5830 You'll be buried under it.
The concrete spalling in the garage, shown in the video, looks worse than was present in the former Surfside condo.
And that is the sign of imminent collapse! You don't want to be anywhere NEAR that building! It's coming DOWN! SOON!
They were lucky to get out. May have lost money but they have peace of mind now.
I was thinking the same thing
@@johnbrowneyes7534 Whoever bought their condo gets up 4 times a night to roll marbles to see if it's safe to go back to bed, though.
yeah its very bad
The sad thing is this building was tilting before it was complete. They knew there was a problem and continued with construction.
The city should condemn the building, unless the owners are paying off the building inspectors???
Landill from cable car turnaround to Ferry Building to Fishermans Wharf. No officials live there. Mob money and officials just scamming people. Why u think officials live in Orinda, Marin etc anywhere but San Francisco?!?
@@TOONMAN200 greed = lubricant running modern 'societies rich ' business (thieves) persons'.....
Yep. My company worked on it and we were well aware of it leaning as it was going up.
@@michaelcollins8684Wow…that’s typical sadly…money over lives.
Put all the city inspectors in the tower to live, see how long that tower stays up.
Nice idea!
Perfect....and they can make monthly payments to feel the status.
they'll have to hire an OUTSIDE ENGINEER to level their 50 th floor, pool tables......
We will soon see a skyscraper being dismantled.
sad to say...but you are probably correct...its probably the safest and best thing to do at this point
My idea is to salvage everything that has value then demolish the building one floor at a time
@@kansasthunderman1 right.. like keeping the glass of the structure. And recycle the metal..
@@zqpcydbfoqbdiehdj There are lots of high end fixtures like sinks, toilets and tubs that can be removed from the condo units and sold. However I'm wondering of the building's electrical and mechanical equipment would have salvage value. The elevators are Mitsubishi which are state of the art that could be sold for spare parts.
@@kansasthunderman1 Hi, I appreciate your enthusiasm for recycling but sadly this stuff is probably ten cents on the dollar. You’re looking at a piece of real estate worth hundreds of millions of dollars, at least when it was sold.
Garage looks worse than the one in Florida that crumbled few months ago.
Sure does and then this soon to be failure would be considered premeditated negligent homicides. On a busy afternoon thousands of lives could be at stake. People are far more valuable than things or money.
I wish they would do the right thing before the inevitability of this engineering disaster. We get another 89 rolling quake and this building will likely fail.
I thought of the same one. I would definitely be uncomfortable living in a building that had that kind of deterioration. 2' lean sounds crazy too.
It’s an eerily similar situation, and monumental disaster waiting to happen
@@fatmooseknuckle I know. They need to take it down, implode it, start over. Spend the extra 4mil. It would have cost originally to build into bedrock. Short cuts tsk tsk tsk with so many at risk. Shame
im a Contractor and a Piledriver. I cannot believe that a Union Piledriving Contractor would bid on let alone take on a project like this on landfill, bay mud, over an active fault line. That Contractor would no longer be signatory if I had my way. But I no longer see unions doing the right thing anymore. Hell they told their members to vote for brandon who killed over 2k union jobs his first day in office for one very wealthy warren buffet.Heaven forbid that tycoon lose money on his railroad. Thats why we are paying over 5 fricken dollars a gallon. Time for me to retire!
The tenant that got out seems like the only smart person so far.
The tenants' trouble(s) is more that they really need that 1.8mill back for any hope of finding other housing in or around SF (or sometimes there just is none), but no one wants to buy a leaning sinking condo. He may have just had the funds to cut his losses and bail, which is respectable. Or some brave soul bought it from him, which is questionable. o-o;
Lessons that people need to know.
Everyone lies and your lives are meaningless to to people. Do not trust anyone.
In America we live by the philosophy that it's better to impose untold suffering and misery on millions than let a single capitalist miss out on a single molecule of potential profit.
Never more true words.
@@DrJL-cw3jd We DO NOT have capitalism. Your communist dreams should be directed at Bankers who constructed a totally controlled economic system that only serves them. We have banker-crony capitalism in its worst form. Communism has killed over 100 million people. Between Stalin and Mao, that estimate is likely “low”.
It is built on land fill, what did you expect.
Oh pshaw! You’re a pessimistic soul.
At this point, why should anyone ever believe ANYMORE statements from the developer, the builder, or the HOA?
I had trouble reading this
Exactly, they're worried about the money they'll be losing.
ANY statements from ANY developer, builder or HOA.....EVER!
@@lewisbale1 Yep.
They would never lie! The same goes for the city's politicians.
People need to be arrested for this.
Gotta wait till it falls, don’t worry, it’s coming
for sure....but the HiV doctor said it is illegal that they did not disclose and got away from it.😒
Why……?
@@michaelpagsanhan9376 There are strong disclosure laws relating to property sales in CA. I don't see how they could avoid being held liable for non - disclosure. Something fishy there.
Nazi Newsom says “It’s fine. Don’t worry. Get the jab. The jab will save this!!”
"Lack of transparency" my eye. They were flat out lying.
‘My eye’. I think you meant another opposite body part that starts with an a…
I hate the term, "transparency." Another euphemism used to cloud truth.
@@yosemitepark8803 George Orwell would appreciate this.
Much China made look at this 🤭🤭🤭🤣🤣
When is the city going to condemn the building, and evict the tenants?
I thought the city won't tell people what to do cuz of f E eeEe L i N g z 💩 👀🤭
God have mercy!!!
All it takes is a nice 5.5 shaking and it is going to be a absolute disaster it's right in the middle of downtown as well that is crazy.
For the love of God people get out
Put it like this if there’s an earthquake that tower is going down with or without these new fixes
I think so too
Structural engineering has come along way but it’s hard to say that you’re wrong
This has already failed.
The "fix" is just a bandaid on a cancer.
This tower is built on top of the rubble from the 1906 earthquake. The rubble was used for land fill into the bay. The soil of this area will liquify in a earthquake. Dumb!
Pure greed-stop the repairs, someone is going to get hurt. The contractors wants the job and the tenants want to fix their property value. What about the workers under the building? The cars/pedestrians if it fails?
Not to mention the restaurants on its ground floor, neighboring buildings, and that very busy intersection at Mission & Fremont? And you are right, W.D.: unsuspecting cars, pedestrians, buses next door at the Transbay Terminal--if another Florida happens it would be that catastrophe times 20.
Hell yeah dawgs. My best advice is for you and yo loved ones to steer clear of that area dawgs it may topple when least expected dawgs
Exactly. It's just a matter of time. These people who are responsible don't care about the risk. All they care about are more high rise for high rent.
The love of money is the root of all evil.
Yes, that's what I'm curious about. What is the developer's liability to owners of the surrounding buildings, not just if it collapses, but even now. Do people really want to lease office or buy a condo in a nearby building? This has probably affected the value of those properties.
What a perfect miserable metaphor for what is happening to the city as a whole.
@@rottingravensblood9106 And spending millions to make it worse, chasing away the wealthy, by being a threat to everything around it, being super expensive with its foundations rotting, etc
With all those other sky scrappers right next to it, I can't even imagine the domino effect the destruction of this building would cause for the other buildings. It's not just about this one building, but about the chaos from the destruction that would cause if the other buildings also go down with it.
The demolition won't effect the other buildings, because the other buildings were built properly.
@@TOONMAN200how can we ever know for certain
Now day's they can disassemble a building, without disturbing surrounding buildings. Check that building in Las Vegas, unconstructed the building, no problem.
Super scary knowing that this big huge tower is leaning sounds like it’s a time bomb to me🤔
I'm a retired Hot Dog Chef, who do I talk to if I want to become a city inspector in the Bay Area?
great! list your skin colour, sexual orientation, political affiliation, and gentials (or lack thereof). if you're a match, we'll hire you a ten times the private sector rate, with lavish benefits, calpers pension, etc. you'll never be sacked, either.
HAHAHA
If you're willing to kill people I would say the governor ( Gavin notsonewsome)
You might be overqualified being able to recognize a leaning wiener.
@@sheiladikshit5110 huh that’s wierd, as a brown guy I get paid as shitty as anyone else. Where can I apply to these lucrative jobs that you speak of as a my-no-ready?
The Designers had no clue the Millennium Tower was going to lean and tilt - you would have to be completely insane to live in that building , completely insane to believe anything that the engineers , that have Absolutely No Clue what the building will do , design going forward whereas anchoring just one side of the building into bedrock will put more Force onto the Bearing Load supports while anchoring into bedrock now will cost more than the entire building .
The column support concrete and rebar system is shattering, spalling , and water in that location is a huge issue .
they said they expected a 5in settling max..its already 15inches
@@KunoMochi i seen on another video its at like 19inches sunk since it's been built
place is sinking and leaning. there should definitely be recourse to get out
It was sinking & leaning during construction; oh! they knew… & continued anyway
Yep, the people who didn't see this coming, are telling you to trust them about what they say is going to happen, next.
Thank you KPIX Ch 5, you have the only pictures of the foundation that I've seen, the spalling and deterioration of the concrete plus the exposed rebar is very serious, this is the same condition that occurred at the condominiums in Florida. Public opinion is that the building should be dismantled, before we have an earthquake, which will certainly bring the building down. This is an opportunity to save lives, not only the people that lived there, but the innocent people on the street and sidewalks below the building.
I've followed the news about this sporadically since it first hit the papers, but I had never seen the spalling of the concrete before. That is frightening.
First decent quake and that thing is coming down for sure if it doesnt fall before then. The thing being as far off plumb as it is is putting a massive weight force in a bad direction laterally, and the more it tilts the worse and fast it will tilt further
@@HobbyOrganist Yes the fix is uneven and lopsided, strong on one side weak on the other side. Even if they say the bulbing is safe, most people they talked to said, they would not work or live there. 😝😁
The engineer, David, has a stunning Craftsman home with those warm wood clad walls and coffered ceilings. Comfortably low and anchored to the ground as it should be. He knows how we should live.
How do you know it's anchored to the ground?
Leaning 25 inches??? It's going to be a SPECTACULAR disaster, and horrible tragedy when (not IF, but WHEN) this building collapses!
The earthquake activity in the Bay Area has been very quiet, however if there's a swarm, the building will probably sink below the point of no return.
they said 70 mm=====28 inches in the books I read===
they are drilling on the WRONG SIDE==========================
And people will be in it and lives will die! We can do something now, but the courts take long? So who's fault? Built by evergrande? Jk.
@@verngoossen3628 They are drilling to bedrock on the settling/leaning Northwest side, connecting that to the foundation and hoping the high Southeast side will settle after 10-20 years, leveling the building.
"We know it's illegal to do this, but they got away with it."
DON'T THEY ALWAYS? I can't recall any of the engineers of these flawed buildings ever being held actually being held criminally accountable for the losses that occur.
The Engineer would probably shift the blame to the contractors who are made up of blue collar workers.
It is disgusting. People engineer buildings that collapse and cause deaths; authorities slap the engineer on the wrist and put their heads back in the sand.
@@grumfeldvanderspooijwanker1627 yes, statistically speaking, very few collapse. So on a macro scale, it's acceptable.
because they are white. A minority engineer would have the book thrown at them.
@@henripan9584 must you bring race into everything, it gets tiring. We need to grow up at some point.
When you go to a sinking ship eveyday, and the only solution management has is to bail the water out then its time to get out! Who could blame him.
Who in their right mind buy here now that this has been disclosed?
@@eckankar7756 too bad the victims have either not disclosed or had to sell for pennies on the dollar. And I doublt the latter was the issue. Those condos start at 3 mil dollars. OUTRAGEOUS!
I truly hope that this is not going to be a replay of what happened to the Florida Surfside condo. It sure seems like it.
Of course it will!!
The building in Surfside was only 14 stories, but Millennium is over 50. If it falls over, it will take out everything withing a block radius.
@@kansasthunderman1 Unlike the Millennium Tower, the Surfside condominium is 40 years old.
@@kansasthunderman1 Likely more than just one block's radius, in fact. Toppling materials will gain velocity and reach farther than one block. Very anxiety-provoking. You've got the Transbay Terminal and Salesforce buildings there, Joe & The Juice and International Smoke restaurants underneath. Extremely busy streets all around there. Yikes.
This building is leaning toward Market Street, downtown's main artery, and the tower is tall enough to affect every building between it and Market.
Evacuate the building and then dismantle it. It's the only way.
Imagine owning a condo in this fiasco. You’d never be able to sell it.
And I understand you can't insure condominiums in the same manner as other buildings. Just the contents can be insured.
There are plenty of drug kingpins who will buy a condo in that pile of junk building just to launder drug money. In fact, the whole real estate boom in the U.S. is being funded through dirty money of some sort.
The owner will have to sell at a loss.
@@ronk9830 The unit is ensured. The common areas are covered by the insurance policy of the homeowners associated which is paid from the fees collected from all the condo owners.
I didn't say it wasn't insured, I said it wasn't insured in the same manner. Of course it's insured. But they're at the mercy of the homeowners association for compensation in that case. Not very advantageous.
Breaking story: Rich resident learns his condo is broken by losing his marbles.
I didn't think the Alfa - Bitz Rolled That Way 😂 🙂🙃🙂🙃🙂🙃🙂🙃 🤣😂🤭
"Resident learns his condo is broken by losing his marbles." No need to state his financial status. Makes it less relatable to everyone that lives in the city. This really takes a toll on everyone, not just the owners. It was a great hook though!
LOL!
😂
And then uses an interview to plug his book!!!!
When there's that much money involved, lives and safety are a secondary concern. I hope there's some kind of warning event so people can get out before it falls.
The problem: --if it falls it may take surrounding structures and people with it. Let's hope this fix really stabilizes the building. It should have been built correctly in the beginning. Profit seems to trump human safety in today's world. Designer and Contractor at fault.
@@larrybruce4856 How can anyone who lives in this building pull the covers over their head an actually fall asleep?
Don't forget the neighboring buildings residents that this will topple on to are staring out their windows every 12 minutes to see if the Millennium tower is looking any closer.
@@eckankar7756 That's a good point I hadn't thought of. The collateral damage could take out the whole area. The people in the neighboring buildings must be terrified as they look out the window and listen to all the well paid engineers trying to convince them that that there's nothing to be concerned about.
@@philblane5752 So true----I certainly would not be able to sleep in that building knowing I'm inching closer to street level every day. I would think upper floors would be slanted to the point of effort to walk around and keep one's balance.
Public officials who gave the approval not to have foundation pinned unto bedrock should all be locked up! Residents working and living around the building is in real danger…the spalding in the garage is incredible! What is SF officials waiting for now? And earthquake? People’s lives are in danger….what will City do?
Dead people still vote Democrat. What's the danger? There's no downside in this situation. The status quo will be maintained, regardless if there's a disaster. It's bidness as usual.
If they're playing around in the sand outside a massive skyscraper you better not walk but run...this fix is a joke.
Two words: earthquake and liquefaction.
‘Aye captain. She’s a goner.’
Yep, and at the current tilt it would probably only take a 3.0-4.0 quake to do it. 25 inches might not be a lot but that's 25 inches of building hanging over the balance point for the entire structure...
Absolutely. The sandy soil the building is sitting in ( with no bedrock pilings ) in an earthquake turns to liquid. And when that happens that building IS falling over. Period. Could happen any day now
@@BelleOmbreGrey
And they’re only going to install this support on 2 sides of the foundation, and wait before supporting the other 2 sides.
That gives the earthquakes plenty of time.
@@larryscott3982 I sense you're well informed here. Do you believe their "solution" - even barring an earthquake before completion - will work?
@@BelleOmbreGrey
No.
Mechanically it might fall, (might not fall). The building will be continue to be a money pit of continued repairs AND the owners will default, walk away. The units will have no resale value and any remnant of an HOA will be burdened by increasing financial liability. Monthly HOA dues will skyrocket. Property insurance for both the HOA and individuals will be ever more expensive, or become unavailable all together.
Windows will continue to crack. And the hazard of falling glass will not go away.
Bankruptcies all around. Vacancies and worthless AND continued escalating repair/maintenance. It’ll look like your worst dead shopping mall with leaking roof AT BEST.
IMO
This project was stared before the Great Recession and built during the worst of part of the recession. I’m sure all kinds of changes and corners were cut during the build.
When the building was first built, I was very close to placing a deposit on a two bedroom condo in that building. I decided not to move ahead. My main reason was that the 1.75 million dollar condo did not come with a deeded parking space. You paid a monthly valet parking fee but could not pull your car into your own private spot. There were not enough parking spaces for the over 400 condos so there would be a chance that you would have to find parking elsewhere. I guess another reason I decided no was the angel whispering into my ear to "run."
That is now the trend. Build a 60 unit apt building with 40 unassigned spaces, under the belief many residents will use public transportation. I never would have guessed they could sell that concept to high end condo buyers.
Who would want to live 10+ floors up anyway? Imagine having to carry groceries or move furniture.
@@CallMeAdam2023 one small match, and THE WHOLE THING IS A GLOWING FIRESTICK.......i can't imagine, how/what people can do ....for VANITY EGO AND STATUS. i , for one, just like to mow my OWN LAWN, with raspberries and trees......ya'all can have your 686,000,000 pound 'building' built on basically a swamp....the whole BAY AREA sank 3 inches allready......so far, so good. GOOD FOR SANFRAN MAYOR AND COUNCIL.........mother earth, and millenium tower, are SPEAKING TO YOU......BUT, ALAS, ya'all are NOT HEEDING AND LISTENING. see my extended comment , above on this tipping dominoe...
one of your best financial decisions.
Thank God for angels!
It’s asinine to construct buildings that tall atop an earthquake fault.
Earthquakes are racist, therefore not allowed. All is well!
@@Gfysimpletons 😂😂😂😂😂
It is near, not on, the San Andreas Fault. The source of the sinking problem is that the builders did not drive the pilings all the way down to bedrock.
@@RaymondHng Doesn't have to be on it to be severely impacted, severe seismic activity on the dangerous Hayward fault that traverses much of the EastBay would effectively topple it.People walking, living, working anywhere near this travesty, are in eminent danger. Dismantle it.
Gotta put people somewhere. Maybe we should build down
When a homeowner sells their Condo, they must disclose any defects such as current or past mold issues, foundation issues, etc. and if corrected, what steps were taken etc. I certainly hope the new purchasers of these Condos are made aware of leaning issues, plumbing defects, crumbling concrete, and steps being taken to correct these problems and possible future HOA increases.
Who will buy it? What realtor would take this listing with a clear conscience?
@@elwoodblues9613 In my opinion, no honest realtor would take this on although, I'm sure there are investors that need a "tax loss write-off" to balance their investment portfolio. They purchase this as a rental rent it a few times and then write-off the months/years it sits vacant. Thus, balancing their other money-making investments.
Speculator, angling for settlement.
Sorry about the pun
Well done, @@whazzat8015.
You forget the HOA documents that are also, by law, given to any buyer during escrow which includes minutes, cash reserves, meeting agenda and so forth. All of this would be in those records and most buyer never read them. However, something this big would have to be disclosed by the seller too and in writing to the buyer. If this particular buyer didn't get any notice during his escrow...the seller, their agent and the HOA would have a legal problem. Its likely any escrow company in the area would also have known anything to do with this building of condo's have structure disclosures that need to be addressed and stipulate they be included with any transaction they might handle.
Such a luxurious death trap!
Good lord that’s spalling which ultimately led to the Surfside collapse.
I can't blame that tenant for moving out of the Millennium Tower. Hopefully, other ones will follow his example and do the same thing. Still the building eventually will have to come down floor by floor. This is out of safety concerns.
Tenants are renters. He was never a tenant. He was a condominium owner.
@@RaymondHng That doesn't matter.
Who's going to buy any vacant condos there now? Knowing what the problem is? It's definitely going to fall despite the Fixes, It's like putting a band - Aid on bleeding arteries . Lot's of people are going to die when it falls, And other businesses and buildings and car's will be destroyed.
@@andrewanderson3572 Why was the Millennium Tower built in the first place then? That might be a good question.🤔
@@wonderglory It definitely matters. Tenants who rent a condo unit cannot sell the unit. Only the owner can. Furthermore, owners pay the homeowners association dues and the special assessment fees for the lawsuit.
The city should immediately make the building's owner eat the loss and start taking that building down as large a task as that is. This can't be fixed and that is a gigantic hazard to every person within 1/2 a mile of that site.
the building is owned by it's residents. They have an HOA to manage the building and repairs. They might have recourse against the developer and the engineer, but good luck with that - they usually bankrupt when faced with claims if you ever can collect - litigation takes many years.
@@wincrasher2007 Yes the legal ramifications are galactic but the legal ramifications if it falls and kills 1,000 people will dwarf that number by a universal magnitude.
Most important thing for us to realize and understand is that The construction company and builders of this need to not lose money. Regardless of the loss of life or damage to anything else around that building or in that building. The real crime would be rich people being slightly less rich.
Obviously we can't have that!
well said sir, well said. for it is the law of the land even if it isn't written down anywhere!
Built where shoreline was in 1850. Look at old maps.
There's nothing but mud and water underneath it.
It's worse than that. Long before the 1700's it was March land, bedrock is down 2500 feet or more, the pier's are only down 600 feet
Puts my rain gutter problems in perspective.
Don't forget to consider the soil grade. Many think gutters are the solution but soil grade gets it away from the structure.
Anyone still living in that when it collapses has been warned, they're choosing their demise
It's cause they can't sell their condo. Nobody wants it.
Usually, when things start leaning the tend to pick up momentum leaning faster.
That's not entirely fair, they probably can't sell, and may not be able to afford to move. Given the choice of a comfortable, warm, secure apartment which may or may not collapse, OR a cold, wet, vulnerable park bench where you may or may not be arrested, attacked or killed, which would you choose?
@@reachandler3655 best of both worlds, Move the Homeless to the tower and have a nice place to stay and when the building collapses...No more homeless!! win/win.
@@eckankar7756 Seriously? You're effectively suggesting genocide of the homeless?!
Moving story: “San Francisco has just weathered a giant 7.8 earthquake! Incredibly, all the buildings looked sound - except for Millennium Tower, as it collapsed on itself…”
A building will likely not collapse in an earthquake unless if the shockwaves resonate with the building's natural frequency. When that happens, the building will list to one side, then to the other, getting pushed more and more by these shockwaves, until collapse. Remember that Millennium Tower is built on reclaimed land from the SF bay, and the bay mud is much less firm and more prone to liquefaction and strong vibrations than the solid bedrock below.
@@Awesome_Aasim I don’t think that the Surfside condos had a resonant frequency to drop them!
@@TomPauls007 that’s because it didn’t go down because of an earthquake
@@jorgefaleromazziotti1174 exactly.
@@jorgefaleromazziotti1174 it was a sinkhole right?
The sociopath who KNOWS and is RESPONSIBLE for this yet is trying to hide it should be thrown in prison for a few decades with his own kind
It won't happen because yall get away with the biggest crimes
@@GSM92 “y’all” lol don’t worry if it falls over it’ll never reach Sunnydale. Just keep your mask on while driving alone and everything will be fine.
@@sheLovesG too bad I dont live in "sunnydale" but im sure you do..i wish i could say i hope it dosent fall on you but i would be lying
@@GSM92 oh, so which projects do you live in?
@@sheLovesG its called rancho cucamonga ..i bet you cant afford it
Im sure it's sound now,but its only 1 quake away from failure
Don’t they realize that even if they do “fix” it, most people won’t trust it enough to live there? I would imagine the real estate around the property will also be affected if it stays, with fears of eventual collapse. It would probably be cheaper and in everyone’s best interest to just dismantle it and take a loss.
they can sell the units to the rich who don't plan to live there but only to hold the asset on their books. we'll call it an imaginary investment. now someone give me a raise and a bonus for thinking of that!
It cant be fixed it's a write off. Who BTW is paying for the so called repairs.
That lower level reminds me of the pictures of the condos in Miami that crumbled to the ground. That's scary.
I hate it when I buy a million dollar condominium and the building is leaning. Just hate it...
are you a owner?
I know, right! Aaaahh! =)
4 million
I wouldn’t want to live there. Knowing all this, what will they say when this building falls and kills hundreds?
Trry thousands it can only fall into other occupied buildings
Thousands in the building and at 7 blocks in what ever direction it falls. This isnt like florida, if it fall it's the whole thing that's coming down
Nazi Newsom says “Don’t worry. Those people who die were wealthy and will have taxes that can be used for illegals.”
@@bonjovirocks24russian troll
Well . . . in 2021 they won't be sayin that the ded are victumz Cuz in Alfa-bett City everyone's a victim already !
😎 🎤(drop)
What about the people that work and live in buildings to where this leaning tower is leaning? Are they concerned? I'd be afraid
As a pedestrian I would walk at least 2 blocks away from that structure in all directions and live in fear if my building was any where near those2. In my city I zigzag across streets when I see poorly maintain old buildings with lots of cement decoration that could fall away easily. Those streets should be cordoned off.
is it even worth it to live there? I'd be pissed if i had a place there because of the headache
No one actually “lives” there. These are 4+ million $ condos for oil sheiks who spend two days a year there
just get some really long tow straps and strap it to the building closest to it. like Idiocracy....
🤣🤣Hey! Now is the time for the contractors to cash in on their 'Home Depot' rewards card! Don't forget the duct tape🤣🤣
@@annhalton1963 Gorilla tape is probably a better choice.
@@mjef3695 🤣Absolutely!
😂 Ahahah I was waiting on an Idiocracy reference.
One engineer said if it tilts more the sewage will stop flowing out. It that happens this "luxury" tower will smell like one big outhouse.
When they say everything is fine, that's when you run
So developers out to screw you, how surprising! Take it down before someone gets killed. Greed over transparency!
Every person that dies in the collapse of the Millennium Tower will still vote for Nancy Pelosi in the next four upcoming elections.
Keep half-assing a fix. Sure to make it even worse.
They need to evacuate that whole building and all the buildings around it, today. What is going on?! It was leaning when I lived in San Francisco ages ago. So glad to get out of there. What a joke of a city.
The Italians have their own leaning building and are making a mint on tourism. SF should wiseup and do the same.
Make it a tourist trap.
"The Italians have their own leaning building and are making a mint on tourism. SF should wise up and do the same.
Make it a tourist trap."
Cheapest rooms in town! Don't worry, it'll NEVER happen!
It’s a trap, alright.
I see this going very badly and we'll all know the reason why!... 🙄
Thanks for catching up. I asked the question about the point of no return long ago. Twenty-five inches seams a lot for any structure to lean. So, what the building has to lean eighty inches before the point of no return?? How much concrete has to deteriorate? How much dishing has to happen on the foundation slab of concert, for engineers to go, it is time to pull up stakes??
I've heard an expert say 29 inches of lean is the maximum for safety in an earthquake.
@@sanfranciscobay No two buildings are built exactly alike. So, if that is true for the building you heard, what about this one???
@@thomasstecyk792 The 29 inches maximum lean is for the Millenium Tower.
@@sanfranciscobay At my last count the tower is leaning at twenty-seven inches. So, where do they stop and make a decision, at twenty-nine inches. The limit or thirty inches?? Because if the other side of the tower has not moved and does not move. Then what?? I think the decision is going to be made soon. It does not look good.
The Florida building was lucky with central vertical collapse. This building is going over sideways. Domino effect for the neighbors to the NW.
The condition of the basement in the garage level is terrifying!
Build em fast. Sell em fast. That's the motto with all new residential construction the last 25 years.
how else could yanks afford 5k sqft palaces for their family of four?
40
this building is barely 12 years old...
That's a pretty good run.
RB : 12 dog years= 69 in human years🤣
They are going to regret not bringing this building down when it collapses in the middle of the night.
Im from Australia and went out of my way to see the tower when i heard about it leaning.
no need for pylons to bedrock they said. how did the city sign off on this.
Pilings
I'll bet they got bought off and paid someone under the table to change and manipulate design and construction plans to save money and pocketed the profits.
Exactly.
I wonder how much this guy lost on his unit
I wonder who to whom he "fairly" sold it, full disclosure, of course...
@@stepchildofsoul That's a good point!
Who in their right mind would buy into a disaster. The sell would have to disclose all this info. The buyer would have had to check for Liens and other shit.
Zillow as of today has a 1 bed room condo selling for $775k.
@@Paiadakine Maybe the developer?
Where are the city’s engineering quality inspectors?
“The building today is not in any imminent threat of structural failure”….really, do you really think that?
There are cracks in the foundation and it’s lifting the sidewalk on the side and there’s such an imbalance that marbles are rolling around on the floor like as if on a sinking ship.
It IS a sinking ship.
Great report...
wonder if that couple had to sell their condo at a loss because of these issues? can't imagine people buying this property at market values. if so, likely some lawsuit could address that hopefully
the edited interview is very telling 'and we know that's illegal, BUT they got away from it'. Notice the interview question was left out, for all we know the interviewer asked your question.
@@tomservo5007 agreed, sadly
Most likely at a loss.
I'm thinking they were compensated at 75% of what they paid for their condo. So, they only paid 25%.
I give a dollar 75
The History Channel should start filming the Engineering Disasters episode now and setup an Engineering Disasters Live Cam.
If you really want to know...
Way back in the day before construction even started Treadwell & Rollo, the geotechnical engineer for Millennium Tower just had a 52-story skyscraper at nearby 80 Natoma with the same heavy cast in place concrete construction and shallow foundation as Millennium Tower rejected by the city's Department of Building Inspections so they simply skipped that part of getting the Department of Building Inspections approval and went ahead with the construction of Millennium Towers "they knew" was defective and "they knew" would have been rejected had it been submitted for peer review.
This is what happened everything else is interference meant to create doubt and confusion
Any further questions can be answered with one word "Money"
PERIOD
It is beyond my understanding why Engineering Firms are even allowed to decide what plans are submitted and what are not
Millennium's partners need to step up here.
Ahaaaaah!
Presumably the buyers of their condo were informed in 2017 of the problems with the building.
that sounds correct, it seems by 2017 everyone knew of the issues with the building, so it would have to have been disclosed in the sales contract even though the word was already out
@@kazee502 Yes, everyone knew of the issues with the building, who were in the trade, but it looks like the buyers of the condos were in the dark.
@@mikeifyouplease yes but i was replying to Kirby's comment about the buyers of the condo in 2017. Those buyers in that year would have to have know of the issues w/ building and it would have been disclosed. However the original buyers 2009 and forward (first owners of each condo) did not know, nor did anyone else. First time i heard of the issue was probably late 2015 because i know a RE broker and and she told me her office was informed not to sell to any clients there because the info was coming out...then like 6 months later it was released to public. Its really a shame all around for everyone, however the city and or development dept of the city should have made them drill to bedrock...if anyone is to blame its that dept and how the builders/developers got by without drilling to bedrock
@@kazee502being built upon a landfill, this tower was always going to be a shitshow from the start. How were they able to get away with not drilling to the bedrock? Who thought that was okay?🤔
@@staciasmith5162 San Francisco is a very corrupt city.
"Risk it!" This should not be a phrase in multi- floor, multi- million dollar buildings!
Perfect symbol of the greed, egotism, arrogance, and corruption that has completely engrossed this city, state, and country.
@2:15 “ lack of transparency” OR (under California real estate law) “lack of disclosure”
Building skyscrapers on a landfill next to the ocean seems like a great idea, until it’s not.
In an earthquake zone as well.
Don't forget about it having the wrong foundation too!
@@VaughnG71 Definitely!!
@@LoveClassicMusic0205 Exactly
The city is stalling way too long. Condemn the building now.
We Need to see a Dismantling now, followed by a Class action lawsuit. Could you imagine going to sleep at night in this thing ? How many were duped by the spectacular views, but not told "we wanted to save and pocket about $4 million, so we anchored the building in mud,rather than bedrock ".Oh, and ah,forget the ah seismic activity history of San Francisco, and pay no attention to that building in Surfside, Florida.(The Salesperson/Wizard of Oz,"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!)
Class Action lawsuits never never ever help the damaged people. The ones who come out with the most money are the law firms who represent the "Class" and the courts. Stay away from class action and persu on your own.
What happens if it tips to the north when it starts its fall before the weakest level crashes downward then there will be other structures hit as it wavers into and across the street to any adjacent towers,,, like a domino effect all of S.F. could end up a jumbled tangled wreck of collapsed buildings
Just like what happen on 9-11 when the WTC towers fell onto adjacent buildings.
@@kansasthunderman1 Totally like WTC. Both steel structures. Both the same height. Both struck with planes. Both on fire.
Well it would cove up shit and urine on the streets. A win win.
@@kansasthunderman1 I was thinking the same thing but didn't want to say it.
the city only talks about sinking--- but for every inch of sinking the building is tilting 10 inches at the top the question i have not figured out is HOW OUT OF PLUM IS THAT FARKING BUILDING?? 2- 3- 10 FEET?
the 24-25 inches leaning is at the top...
That's a lot of lean. The current amount of lean is not affecting the elevators, but if the leaning continues, the guide rails will become out of plumb to the point where the elevators will no longer function.
@@kansasthunderman1 i wonder too how much vertical weight to the point that the top just snaps off like spaghetti
Currently leaning 25 inches and settled 19 inches on the Northwest Corner.
@@sanfranciscobay So if it falls it will collide into the 350 Mission Street skyscrapper first?
To build a heavy building on an inadequate slab is horrendous to say the least.....
I hope the homeowners are compensated fairly for this.
This isn’t going to end well for a lot of people. If that thing starts to collapse, it’s going to affect everyone inside it, as well as anyone in a several block radius from its collapse. If it falls like a tree cut in the forest, the damage radius is going to be absolutely massive and so is the body count. I can foresee even a small magnitude earthquake being enough to send this thing over… the top floor is already leaning over 2 feet beyond its footprint, and that is a hell of a lot of weight now being supported my a foundation and walls that weren’t designed to handle that now offset weight. Lever-physics will soon take over, and when it does, it’s going to be a very bad day for a lot of people.
If it falls, it won't tip over like a domino. It will collapse on itself, similar to the WTC towers.
Tragedy waiting to happen
Demo the building before they need to pay billions in life insurance 🤔
Transparency is so needed in projects like this one.
Where made be chinese made 🤣🤣🤣🤣loook at much fall too
You think? The headline is like Lucky passenger glad they got off the Titanic at its last stop.