How to Ski Groomers - with Performance
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- Опубликовано: 19 апр 2022
- This instructional video is all about carving! For skiers wanting to learn to carve or develop thier piste performance skills.
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these sensations (for most people) require tons of strength and mobility training (in addition to being an advanced skier)
Been snowboarder for over 10 years and just started skiing. It's a different feeling for sure and pretty fun.
Excellent video and illustration. Great form and love the different drills you share.
🤩🤩🤩 What great filming. The camera guy deserves a beer!
I appreciate the feedback I’ll make sure I keep them liqueured after filming 😂
Maybe it's a camera "girl" 😜😋
That was some bloody awesome skiing. I have never seen anybody balance and turn on the solo inside leg. Essentially, the opposite of the outside leg drill. Amazing!!!
I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching
If you take ski lessons, that is one of the drills they will get you to do. It really helps to get comfortable with tipping the legs to get the skiis tipped up higher.
Great safety comment on shutting down carving on busy runs! Too many people end up bombing down busy runs at a speed well beyond their ability.
Agree, too many skiers attempting wide radius carving turns ski across the path of those taking a narrow fall line path without looking around.
Great video, very easy to understand. Nice and simple.
This is an outstanding skiing video. Really helpful. So far I have only tried one of the drills, but I will try them all lol Thank you.
Simple: took me 8 seasons with minimum 75 days per seazon to get to that level. 😁 and ofourse good advice from top instructors.
Great demos and concise, well organized progression. Extremely helpful. Thank you!
Focusing on driving the inside knee has made a huge difference in my carving. I was always said to be on the outside ski ( still valid) but nobody said anything about the inside movement other than try to keep them parallel. I figure it out a bit by myself but the last 2-3 years i found that working on the inside ankle and knee really help me get more control when carving at speed with increased speed…feels more natural.
Awesome! Best skiing technique video I have ever seen!
Great video, well explained! 👍
Great vid! I've been eurocarving snowboards since the 90s and carving tele for a couple decades. Having issues getting the angulation during tele turn as parallel(same gear). Also a 125 day year skier, I've taken a job teaching at 59. I've been looking at RUclips A LOT for tips. Honestly i didn't learn whole lot more, but picked up tips and how to explain things in easy to understand efficient manner. So far this ha been m favorite video out of hundreds. Thank you!
Great video, thanks! fantastic twists. It motivates me to keep learning and to make curves with more angle and better balance! Greetings from the Andes :-)
Great video and demos!
Thanks for posting great video so inspirational. Thanks also for the tips. Wow to ski like that!!!
I love the drill at 7:45. I am still miles (years) away from your skill level but find the single leg drills help me the most to build up confidence in my edges.
Those were some very good tips & drills. Thanks for this!
Best video for this stuff hands down. Most go from uber beginner to this level with no way to connect the dots,..thanks!!
Thank you. I’m glad you enjoyed the video and found it useful.
I think I say this every year but your skiing just gets better every year. I can tell you really work hard every day. I suspect you are always working on drills to increase performance. You're an inspiration and I am going to work on getting those same feelings and sensations you demonstrate in your video tomorrow. cheers
Thank you Chris, I apprieciate the kind words. How did it go?
Good J-turn progression - great idea. Excellent video Josh.
Thanks I am glad you think so :-)
Great concise video!
Great video and skiing! Thanks!
Some beautiful carving
Excellent Joshua plus very nice video work
Beautiful turns
Wow! This is so helpful and useful ❤❤❤
Great skiing and excellent video, thank you for sharing.
Thank you
Brilliant video. Thank you for the inspiration.
I’m glad you like the video. Thank you 🙏
Great video, thanks for posting!
My pleasure. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
the best drills! thanks!
awesome content！
excellent video, subscribed
Much appreciated!
This will be very helpful. I will take the specific exercises outlined in your video instruction. And then it's simple. Repetition, repetition, repetition. Thank you.
Glad I could help. Let me know how it goes.
The speed part is so true and finding the space on the groomer when the trail is clear of others is not only being respectful of others it is the safer thing to do. I watch skiers and especially snowboarder( not prejudice), but many boarders rip down groomers at mach speed and lets be honest nobody can stop or make a quick turn to avoid someone at high speed unless you are a true “expert” and if that was so you would be honoring the safety rule of those below you having the right of way.
I say this because I have been flattened by riders charging down from above me unable to avoid me when I had the bad fortune of turning into their path….which without eyes in the back of my helmet I was unaware. After being trashed by self centered Jackasses several times I now try to watch above me and in front which is bad for my body position. I also ski the far edge of trails when trails are crowded being mindful of not changing my “lane”.
Just to say….I am not a slow intermediate old man skier…I am a veteran mountain ripper that chooses to ski like Body Miller only when there is no other skiers in my view. I also dial it back when the crowd appears. Seems this speed thing and the old rule of right of way has been forgotten ever since a go pro got mounted on the helmet.
Good comment, I agree 100%. Keep it safe for all to enjoy - needs the be taught in all ski lessons! Keep safe and ripping it up mate!
If everyone followed the Rules of the Road, the slopes would be much safer.
7:12 Very good video! These are the skis of the new season 22-23!
Thank you, yes these are the new Fischer RC4 CT model and the Fischer fis SL ski.
Excellent style.
Super , thank you 👍⛷
Good teacher.. thanks.
Спасибо! Очень понравилась техника.
Шикарный видеоурок, есть что посмотреть и поучиться👍
Sublime. Merci.
Great breakdown !
Easier to accomplish with shorter radius skis . . .
Nice powerful skiing, save the stiff-armed sea-gulling.
wow this guy can ski nice
Arc to arc skiing (admittedly it says' Learning to carve' and 'Groomers')...lots of super fun I agree but straight down at any steepness slow and in control must be mastered to - ps, just as fun...
I know how to do this. Its been sooo long since Ive seen a mogul. So I vicariously am stuck on instructional videos to see this 'flow' state I miss so much.
Every time you say, 'this is how you do it... feel this... feel that...' I'm just "yup,yup,yup,yuuup,yuuuuppp,yuup'ing it all up.
Awesome
Bravissimo
1st i wanna say your how to crave video is wayyy better then stomp it and other channel, very easy to understand! my question is : what do i do when i try to go parallel to carving but start skidding ? im wondering if i push to much before I start the turn? any feedback would be appropriate
Hmmm! No answer! When you want to start a new carved turn, think about facing down the hill, taking your weight off your downhill foot, lifting your downhill cheek and sliding over onto the edge of a stool. You can try that at home.
1. By facing down the hill, you are keeping your weight over the tips of your skis. The turning part of the skis.
2. By getting off your downhill foot, you are concentrating your weight on the new turning ski.
3. By lifting your cheek, you are forcing your upper body to stay vertical.
4. By sliding it over to the stool you are creating a steep leg angle. The farther you slid it over, the steeper the leg angle.
That analogy puts everything where it needs to be.
dancing over the white!
Great video and amazing skiing! Thanks.
I’m trying to overcome tilting my toro into the turn at initiation and want to focus on what should initiate the turn. Should I focus on moving the knees first?
Yes a focus with the knees can help on flatter terrain. Where you dont deal with that much force. Then on steeper terrain I personally wouldnt focus on using too much knee when trying to carve at full speed as the COM needs to move inside the turn earlier and further, still using a slightly angled and bent outside leg. Hope that makes sense.
The last thing that happens in the set up for a turn is in your knees. if you focus on tipping your knees, your weight will instantly fall onto you inside skis where you should not be so your skis won't turn. When you want to start a new carved turn, think about facing down the hill, taking your weight off your downhill foot, lifting your downhill cheek and sliding over onto the edge of a stool. You can try that at home.
1. By facing down the hill, you are keeping your weight over the tips of your skis. The turning part of the skis.
2. By getting off your downhill foot, you are concentrating your weight on the new turning ski.
3. By lifting your cheek, you are forcing your upper body to stay vertical.
4. By sliding it over to the stool you are creating a steep leg angle. The farther you slid it over, the steeper the leg angle.
That analogy puts everything where it needs to be.
Hi Josh, great video and superior technical skiing. How do you call the drill with initiation of the turn over the inside ski (outside ski lifted at top of the turn)? Thank you for your response. Regards, André, from Germany.
I call that drill a White Pass Turn.
I think you should emphaside a lot more on the weight repartition to put on the skis. You have to put like 80% of the weight into the outside ski this is one of the most important aspect of carving
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Great video and skill! What’s the radius of those skis?
These skis are 16m radius, 180 length.
Smoking solid turns - can I ask what skis and underfoot width you prefer for high perf carving - James retired pro 🇨🇦
Hi, I prefer to use narrow skis for carving. I love the Fischer RC4 CT in a 180 the most.
Awesome video! Where do you teach in New Zealand?
I teach in Wanaka when im in NZ. Are you interested in some lessons?
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith Thanks! Will let you know when we book our next trip. 👍
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Please consider posting details on gloves or mittens that we can get that we don't wear out our thumbs faster than the gloves or mittens normal life
Josh, much like Tom Gellie and Sam Robertson, I see you advocating for drilling inside ski balance and feeling. I wonder how this translates to real carving? Is it such that we should be concerned with outside ski pressure only after the fall line? Put differently, is there a component of inside ski focus as you're trying to incline at the very top of the turn?
Simply put, you are stronger with two feet verses one foot. Think about a standard squat verses a pistol (one leg) squat. You can lift more with a regular two footed squat. It’s the same in skiing when you’re travelling faster and carving you’re dealing with more force so you need to be stronger. Using two feet through the top of the turn helps you balance well against the forces. That’s not dismissing the importance of outside ski balance, you must balance through the outside ski as it provides stability and allows you to move inside the turn. So when I’m skiing I think about keeping two feet on the snow during the transition but I always try to weight shift to the outside ski as early as I can helping me feel stable and connected to pressure early in the turn. So to answer your question in a long winded way…leaving balance on the outside ski until the fall line is too late in my opinion. You need to do it as early as you can but keep two feet on the snow for strength when dealing with force.
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith Awesome, thanks for clearing it up for me!
@@CharlesCheung123 Debbie armstrong has another really good video about the inside ski. Effectively using the inside ski helps you with switching to the new inside ski faster for the next turn outside of what Josh already mentioned. Awesome video Josh! Really loved this one and the mogul video.
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith This Is the best answer of the year ....👍👍👍
@@ttruong225 yes Debbie has some great content out there. Thanks for the comment. I’m glad you like the instructional videos.
Great video!!!
I see you are skiing on Fischer skis... which model is that exactly ? Slalom skis I guess right ?
Also, what size ?
Cheers!
I am using the 180 RC4 CT for the majority of the video. I also use a 165 FIS SL.
here is a link to the skis - www.fischersports.com/rc4-worldcup-ct-m/o-plate-rc4-z17-ff-2440?number=P06821.9002972588723&c=161
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith wow! based on the short turns in the video, I was sure you were using only the slalom ones!
I guess technique is more important than the equipment :D
If you know what you are doing(and you definitely do!), you can make short turns in a 16m radius ski without a problem!
@@iam.andresilva haha the skis were brand new maybe that had something to do with it 😉
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith no not new skis more like due to a great highly skilled skier.
At 57, I'm greatful I can still make it down the hill
Congratulations!! Awesome video and skiing Josh!! But I do not agree with the pictures at around 9:15 when talking about aligment to the resultant force. I think the resultant force line in the pictures for too much inclination and too much angulation are mixed up. When there's too much inclination the resultant force should be aligned near the inside ski or even farther inwards and when too much angulation farther than the outside ski, misalinged. Because when angulating the skier is displacing his/her CM to the outside, not to the inside of the turn, doing that by inclination.
The way I am understanding what you are talking about is balance and positioning of the COM relative to the outside ski...and I agree with what you are saying, if you over incline you will balance on the inside ski and if you over angulate you will balance over or outside of the outside ski. Both of which are not ideal. This diagram is how we align our bodies to resultant force, which only comes from the snow and the primary contact point for resultant force is the inside edge of the outside ski. Think of it as an equation, it can become unbalanced with over inclination and over angulation. The goal of the equation is to line up the resultant force and the COM. (this is not scientifically accurate, as your COM does not output directional force, but this works for the example given)
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith That's exactly what I meant... The dashed line in the diagrams confused me because I thought it had something to do with balance and force alignment, therefore stability... Thanks for the explanation to my point of view...
@@alfonsoeae yeah I know is a little confusing. I’m glad we cleared that up.
Ted Ligety would probably object to such an instructor theory. Athletes load the tip of the ski at the beginning of the turn and the heel of the ski at the end of the turn. And, of course, no angulation of the body in a transverse projection.
"Loading of the tips or tails of the skis" is a byproduct of doing other things that most instructors are completely unaware of so they can't teach it. Focusing on those byproducts to learn how to ski is like focusing on the symptoms of the common cold if you want to eradicate the virus.
Hi josh, were you on a blizzard ski in this video? And if so, which one? Thanks.
I am using the WRC w/piston plate in a 180 length
@JoshuaDuncanSmith
Thanks Josh. Appreciate it.
Any tips for getting the inside leg to be parallel to the outside? I tend to A-frame and my inside leg can't get the same edge angle.
There could be many reasons for the A-frame position of the legs. I would address the alignment of your boots first, then look at the way you manage the rotation of the pelvis and legs throughout a turn. The more the pelvis is rotated towards the outside of the turn the more the inside leg will naturally want to adduct. This could cause the A-frame also. I hope that helps
A-Frames are caused primarily by instructors teaching people Snowplow and Stem turns which should have gone extinct with the creation of Shaped skis. When you Force your new turning ski to change direction by Pushing the tail around, it turns your body into a knot. To untangle that knot, you need to balance on that new turning ski and allow it to make the turns for you. The skis are designed to turn when you do what they need and pushing them around is Not what they want from you.
Here's a little test. Stand up and push and twist your right foot so it points to the left for a left turn. Look how your legs are twisted. Now, put your feet together and take your weight off your left foot and balance on your right foot. Look how your left leg and foot stay next to your right foot and your feet are pointing parallel!
Hi josh, in the transition, how do you force your legs to come underneath you?
I don't feel its a force more of controlled flexion and extension of the legs to help me as my body crosses over into the new turn.
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith Alright, I think I get. Thanks
What resort is this?
@@TheLanguageChannel this was filmed in Sestriere in Italy.
What suit is that? I love it
Hi Joe, here is the link to the suit. It really is a fantastic ski suit! carvesport.com/product/man-ski-suit-set-cpm22a-nor/575/category/45/display/1/
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith thanks!! Are they made in Korea?
@@Joe333x yes they are made in Korea
So you know about the White Pass turn !!! If you want to know the whole story, let me know.
I would love to.
здравствуйте! Сколько ростовка? радиус?
perhaps I am just not finding the right videos, but where and how do you place and time carving through slalom gates?
Ideally you should carve the whole turn when racing, if you are on difficult terrain then you should be aiming steer the ski at the start of the turn and then to carve the ski from just above the gate through all the way until turn completion.
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith Thank you... so sharper turns and flatter skis between poles is slower?
Hm, you are lifting your inside ski quite a lot, which is usually frowned upon (though not completely avoidable when going from edge to edge quickly). Interesting, it still looks super good for you, which it doesn't for most skiers. Shows again that it is also important to develop your personal style.
Personally it is something I am trying to get rid of in my skiing, I want both skis on the snow through transition as it is much stronger but this particular lifting movement is rather ingrained...I'll get it one day!
#JoshDuncan-Smith do you ever run ski clinics in Europe as I'd like to join?
That is the plan, I will keep you updated when I have more info on the project.
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith That's great. How can I be added to your mailing list please?
@@inquistive Please send me an email joshduncansmith@icloud.com thats all you need to do. Thanks :-)
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith I am sending you messages but you are not replying?
At 1:29 is not something I've ever tried on the piste (assuming the subtitles are correct)
Hahahaha good find. It’s the new technique no one is telling you about. It helps you feel lighter during the transition.
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith ...yes, can imagine it is an amazing feeling 😁
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith It isn't a New technique at all. It IS, the feeling you get when you stop your upper body from crossing the hill with your skis and making it go down the hill to start the next turn. The leg angle instantly changes, the skis come off the edges as the legs become perpendicular to the slope and flatten out before they lean down the hill and the skis go back on the new edges. The braking and deceleration pressure is released for a moment before that deceleration happens again in the next turn.
Describing the feeling doesn't teach how to create the feeling.
Hmmm. Nice video but I’m sure I know where to begin. I don’t think I get to carve often. Intermediate crappy skier…..
Inside leg, outside edge , is scary. I can't do it.
You should never try to ski on your inside leg unless you are doing tricks. Loading the inside ski in turns has no place in proper and safe skiing.
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Decent video. A couple of things jumped out. If it is too crowded not appropriate to carve is one. Nonsense. To carve you need to increase your speed? Nonsense. Ever hear of Railroad track turns? Again, decent video but a bit of silly. Does not add up.
3:08 The skis are not moving forward; the body has stopped following the skis and is now heading down the hill which gives the illusion of the feet moving forward. If you point out feet moving forward, which is only what it Looks Like, people will try that and won't position their upper body properly. It will make them end up sitting way back on the tails.
You actually ski down the hill with your face, hands and chest. Look for it as you watch him from the front and the back. As his skis finish a turn and the skis are still crossing the slope, his entire upper body heads down the hill and is repositioned into the new turn. Watch his face and chest, not his skis.
4:15 Watch his entire upper body stop following, actually leading, the skis through a turn and then stop and head down the hill. THAT, is what creates the new leg angle which rolls the feet over and puts the skis on the opposite edge.
4:30 It Looks Like he is thrusting his feet to the sides, but it is the positioning of the upper body in the opposite direction the skis are going and a quick weight and balance change as the skis pass under him, that is allowing the skis to roll over and create the new turn.
4:35 This is actually a Bad exercise because that reaching arm into the hill will pull your upper body away from the bottom of the hill which will pull you off your tips and back up the hill on your inside ski. Just because He can demonstrate it, does not mean You can do it.
You create a Correct and steeper leg angle this way. Imagine there are stools on either side of you. To rest your cheek on the Right stool for his next right turn, you take your weight off the right foot, lift your right cheek and slide it over onto the edge of the right stool.
1. You have to get off that right/downhill foot!
2. By lifting your right cheek, you are forcing your upper body to stay vertical. By doing what he shows with his uphill arm, you will do the opposite.
3. By sliding your cheek over to the right stool, you are creating a steep leg angle. The further you slide it over, the steeper the leg angle.
5:00 His/your upper body should be as close to vertical as possible so you can be balanced on your outside turning ski. This way will put you on your inside ski too much and it will hook into the hill. Notice there is no talk about the all-important weight change. 0:17 Notice when he is free skiing how he is trying to keep his upper body vertical and that inside hand Off the snow.
"You can do what he demonstrates at 5:00 as a fun thing to do but it isn't how you Learn to make carved turns.
6:14 What comes naturally in skiing is the opposite of what you are supposed to do so you can't Hope your body will become disciplined naturally. You have to Think and Work at the right body position. P.S. 99.999% of all skiers will NEVER ski with leg angles like that!
6:36 You absolutely Have To think about over angulating your shoulders outside the turn because the Natural tendency to lean into the turn will put you on your inside ski which hill unweight your outside ski and down you will go. If he didn't strive to lean his shoulders down the hill, that right ski would hook into the hill, he would explode up into the air and spin around backwards. Probably blowing his right knee to pieces.
7:00 Look how much more vertical his upper body is from the inclination of his legs. You adjust that relationship by monitoring the senses in the arch of your weighted foot to make sure all your turn control is on that arch.
7:07 This is completely useless and won't teach a thing. Although it could cause a lot of damage to the outside of the knee he is balancing on.
Ok groomer
BOOMERS on GROOMERS
Great skiing, but let’s get real. Where can you ski where the hill is empty of scores, if not hundreds, of other skiers? Try skiing like this at any American resort and the ski patrol will be all over you.
Staying safe on the slope is so important. If there are hundreds of skiers all around you then I agree skiing in a larger corridor wouldn't work. I hope you can find some quite slopes or resorts this season.
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith i ski in utah. What is the chance I’ll ever see quiet terrain? I do appreciate the effort here to communicate helpful tips.
I ski like this all the time. Never had an issue. Obviously not this quality but I’ve been trying get better at this for years ever since the Elan SCX came out.
too contrived.
That was great. Nice camera work and extended clips. Nice drills.
I would have liked to learn more about pole positioning. Looks like the pole plant becomes redundant, almost vestigial, at expert level.
I'll add a pole positioning video to the list for next time. Thank you
Imagine your hands are on the handlebars of a bicycle. When you want to start a new turn, point the front tire down the hill and plan the downhill pole, get off your downhill foot and balance on your uphill foot. Gravity, your momentum and the skis design will do the rest.
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith Hey Josh (or JB)... can you be more aggressive with a shorter ski? What's the trade-off?? Stability? Looks like your skis are pretty small in this vid.
@@jonathanhalloran8807 With a shorter ski you can be more aggressive at slower speeds and in shorter radius turns. But SL skis have a speed limit and if you exceed that limit I always feel they are unstable. In this video I am mainly using 180 length skis, there are also some clips where I am on a SL 165 ski.
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith Legend. You know, as an Aussie with few prospects for learning (see! I didn't even know what ski length does lol), your insights are very valuable. This year something clicked for me and i was just ripping! Never had a lesson, but i am able to mimic well, so your vids are super valuable for me.... now if i can just figure out how to ski crud, hmmmm
This confusing me.. Is ok to start turns with the inside ski ? Normally teachers teaching that all the turn must be on the outside ski..
Starting a turn on the inside ski is a specific drill that will help you use inclination to create some higher edge angles with the ski. As a general rule of thumb it's a good idea to balance through the outside ski.