''you study 8 puzzles you get 5 of them wrong, play 2 blitz games rage and go back to Overwatch 2" I have never felt so personally attacked hahaha my dude hit all the marks
Games like this actually get you wondering whether Fisher was right when he said that prep ruined chess as a game. It still is extremely impressive to have 40 moves of prep, but I feel like the game itself is turning into a memorization competition, rather than a contest of calculation, imagination and creativity.
At the highest level with long time controls, yes it is a huge problem. But Fischer Random Chess, Rapid chess, Blitz and Bullet chess, and all the other chess variants help keep the game interesting for top grandmasters. That's why Hikaru mostly plays Blitz and Bullet online. And in Blitz and Bullet, you can play creative and imaginative chess because the opponent doesn't have a billion years to think about the perfect way to defend it.
But how they prep these games,or why,what if you prepare a 40 move game from a certain position but it never arises in the actual game?Isn't it wasted?
@@redwanurrahaman8644most chess grandmaster’s have memory and intelligence beyond at least the top 1% of humans on the planet, and if they are white, they analyse what move their opponent usually plays after the opening played, and if they play something else, prep from other games can play as well
It definitely made it a different game. I think that's not debatable. Ruined is a strong word. The ability to have 40 moves of prep for one line is still absolute insanity.
The sad part about this is that Erigaisi couldn't possibly have cheated to know this line because the engine doesn't see far enough forward to think it's a good idea lol
You clearly do not understand computer chess. Humans can't play anywhere near the level of an engine. Do you have any idea how strong Stockfish is? It would blow these guys out of the water. Even giving the best super GMs in the world a two pawn-advantage isnt enough to equalize. Levi doesn't know what he's talking about. The eval bar is not the entire story. There are likely ways to save the position as black but would need to be played at a level only engines could play. When you understand just how strong engines are-videos like these are of pure ignorance.
@@bobfred4410 I think you misunderstood. The prep was certainly done with an engine, but you don't need to have 40-move depth to see what it recommends at move 40, as long as the game plays out as expected until then. That is, every GM obviously knows several moves of theory for each of the popular lines in the Italian game. Starting from the end of the typical lines of theory, you let the engine play against itself and take note of which moves it is considering. An engine can pay against itself for hundreds of moves whole only calculating at a depth of 20 moves at any given moment, for example. What is impressive about this game is that for Erigaisi to know 40 moves of preparation for this particular game, his opponent had to stick exactly to one of the lines that he prepared beforehand. Because there are so so so many possible lines, it means that Erigaisi probably prepared an absolutely enormous amount in order to get lucky enough to have it last 40 moves, plus he remembered it all in detail.
Loving every video Levy, I don't get the impression you hate your audience at all, but you have a way of calling out the twitch chat "grandmasters" on their arrogant comments which is hilarious, spicy, and entirely deserved. You'll notice these commenters a lot in any stream of a turnbased game, backseaters, ask any streamer how they feel about them. He streams with a live chat which allows anyone in the world to say anything, anonymously, to him. He can absolutely reserve the right to call out the arrogant or joking commenters, and only truly vile, toxic comments risk being punished after the fact, not prevented. Twitch has freedom of speech, but not freedom from moral judgement based on what you say.
I think one of the things that makes Levy's content so much better is the emphasis and emotion he puts into recording, it really enhances the whole experience and captures the craziness of 43 moves of PREP!!! This is such an amazing game, for me, it's up there with Shakh's immortal. Thanks for covering it!
I have no idea to what extent this was engine prep, but if (nearly) all of it was, then I don't see why this is such an amazing game, as it's just an exhibition of exceptional memory and discipline. I mean if in the future human chess will be all about who does best at memorising engine lines, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the game itself?
@@TurnaboutAkamia Imagine if one day the World Championship were to be decided by amazing memorised engine prep, would you still argue that they were amazing games?
@@TurnaboutAkamia Ignore my reply. It was rather daft and not to the point that you stated. I understand what you mean that the game of chess in itself was amazing.
@@36AccountsBlockedRIP Why would they not be amazing games? That level of memorization is itself an impressive skill. If it were not, then it would be commonplace. Besides, ALL games (not just chess) really do just boil down to computation and learning the best algorithm. The only difference between chess and other, simpler games is that we have no computer powerful enough to solve the game. But all games are solvable. If there exists a set of rules at all, then there exists a set of optimal strategies. The challenge boils down to finding those strategies. There is nothing else to it.
I don't know how to feel about this. On the one hand, memorising so many moves is really impressive, on the other hand it turns chess into a memorization competition at the highest levels.
There have been numerous studies on this actually. At the GM level a lot of it is memorization. A GM's ability to solve a chess puzzle in a game state that makes sense is usually off the charts. On the other hand the same studies find that GMs struggle with non-nonsensical game states. This is actually one of the reasons why the World Chess960 Championship and the FIDE World Fischer Random Chess Championship are so interesting. By sidestepping normal game states you end up with people playing chess and not going off memorization.
This is why Magnus Carlsen often likes to sidestep main lines and critical variations. You can’t memorise 40 moves of prep in every possible variation. Magnus is confident in his skill to win even objectively equal positions once people are out of their prep. Meanwhile this game was in a super common opening - even low intermediate players play this type of Italian up to 10ish moves deep. So this is where GMs will be well prepared.
That's literally what I did too. Played a few puzzles, required multiple attempts for more than half of them, played 2 RAPID games and then the Christmas bots 😂
@@aarij9260 you’re assuming a lot. I never said it wasn’t entertaining. And I didn’t say that he shouldn’t continue watching. Don’t put words in my chat box.
Dude, the amount of foresight and preparation to make the situation perfect to use this strategy having enough fail-safes that even the computer goes "wait, wait... WAIT WHAT?" That is strategy at its finest
Watched the game live in person. Then watched the live interview of Arjun analyzing the variations with Vishy Anand post match. Vishy was really in high praise. Really one of the most memorable moments ever.
3:51 - 4:00 - broski couldn’t have got my life more accurate lmfaoooo Well, minus the getting the majority of puzzles wrong and raging at blitz, but the OW2 point is spot-on lol
black can force a draw after f3, the eval is +1.5 but white cannot make progress and the game will simply go on forever if the players don't agree to a draw.
Yes I've gotta admit this really is mind blowing. The fact that not even stockfish can properly see a few moves ahead in that key position - wow. Very impressive indeed!
@@gabrielmalek7575 Yeah, I guess. But I have seen instances where both Leela and sf have actually made miscalculations in recent times in the tcec tournaments.
Gotham, try enabling NNUE in the computer settings. If you go to the gear icon in the upper right and set the chess engine to Stockfish 15 NNUE and the lines to 1, Stockfish finds the whole line with f3 Rd5 Ra5 Ra8 in about 2 seconds. In order to have computer analysis at the highest level, you should totally enable NNUE. It makes Stockfish 150 ELO stronger and more positional in nature.
That's exactly why he doesn't use it. To make a move/idea seem more impressive than what it actually is because stockfish "can't see" it. He basically handicaps stockfish and then acts surprised when it doesn't see something.
@@spacedragon2753 I disagree, Hikaru and other popular youtubers treat what Classic Stockfish 15 says as fact, without realizing that there is a NNUE option to make it stronger. He's not like an big online persona masking the truth to make it seem more brilliant, he's just a little ignorant of the setting. A lot of people actually are.
@@clausable6328 Even if they are ignorant about that specific setting, they still treat what Classic Stockfish 15 says as fact even though they have been told over and over that a browser engine is extremely handicapped. Also, even Gotham has said in videos that he knows that browser stockfish is bad, yet that's what he continues to use to claim "brilliant ideas that stockfish didn't see". This is obviously to make something look more brilliant than what it actually is, because (once again) he already knows that browser stockfish just isn't good, which means that the "ignorant about it" argument is invalid.
@@ObjectiveGamingx It's not scary at all, because the browser engine is extremely handicapped. The engine's elo only makes sense when you let it run at its full potential.
I haven't watched the game yet, but hearing Levy claim he doesn't clickbait is genuinely hilarious. He's done a better job straddling the clickbait/unsub line than any other content creator on RUclips.
If I had a nickel every time Levi talked about Combat Arms in relation to chess, I'd have two nickels which isn't a lot, but it's weird it's happened twice
"You solve 8 puzzles. You get 5 of them wrong. Then you play 2 blitz games, you rage. And you go back to playing Overwatch 2." How many cameras have you installed in my room Levy?!
I feel like a3/a4 is common in the Italian. The idea is to give your white bishop an escape for the move Na5. In addition, it also attacks the b4 square.
It is, i don't know why Levy went on a spiel about "you could never find this move" for what is an easy to spot, thematic move. Very weird. Even 1200s will play it sometimes to try to trap the opponent's bishop on b6 or b3.
Levy ur engagement with us the viewers or at least for me in these recent videos has been outstanding. Well done, I know you receive a lot of love from many people but just wanted to share my part too
Goth I need to formally thank you for getting me into chess I started playing 30days ago exactly for the 1st time and I just hit 400elo on rapid I’m so proud of myself. (I’ve never played chess before I just started learning last month)
if you wanna get higher quicker, learn some opening traps since some of them are actually common! i recommend playing kings gambit as white as it has a lot of traps
@@xxchickenxx5086 i werent learning openings until i was 1200, he is 400 dude, he is probably around the phase where he is learning that knights can go back
Everyone: Yeah bro I totally believe that you are not clickbaiting us. I mean its not like the past frew videos were kinda fake. It must be a Hullicination right??? Gotham: 😏
You used to play combat arms? Damn thats a deep cut. Jumping off the tower into the missile silo and spamming crouch to clip through was a huge part of my childhood
I don't understand chess, but your passion and explanations are so potent that even a complete chess block head like myself is able to grasp what you are talking about!
Here's a wacky way idea that could be used to balance the impact of prep: When you start a move with a lead on the clock, 20% of that lead is converted to a Fischer clock. For example, if your opponent makes a move and has 10 minutes left while you have 30 (i.e. a 20 minute lead), and you play your response in 20 seconds, it still counts as if you had taken 4 minutes. Then you'd get your increment and finish your move 16:30 minutes ahead. Meaning that if you have enough prep to blitz out the first 20 moves, your opponent will burn a lot of time but so will you
@@Legendendear Ah yes get called out on a blatantly obvious incorrect statement but oh no it is actually the person correcting who is in the wrong because it is all a joke. What an easy copout and people need to stop using it every time they are called out.
And this explains exactly why Magnus plays nonstandard openings. When you can solve an entire line, and remember it, the only way to get back to human vs human play is to deliberately create a small weakness and explode the tree in p space.
OK unpopular opinion: 40 moves of prep is dumb. It takes the creativity and the art out of battling through a position where you don't know the best moves, and have to actually find them instead of just memorizing the whole game. Learning a position via ideas and training tactics is OK, but at some point, these prep games become a battle of who was more devoted to memorizing theory. In that respect, chess engines have ruined high-level chess for me.
We all play chess in a single format which is the same pieces in the same place. If, we change the format of chess board like chess960 than there would be few grandmasters who can play their game with the performance rating above 2400's. But if you scramble the pieces of Chess Engines, they would still play high level chess. So, we should blame the way chess is being taught to learn, not the chess engines. Chess engines didn't ruin high level chess but they are a way to learn high level chess.
I've played this exact start in extremely low elo by accident (500/600) rapid rating. At least up until 3:32. Even the bishop being pushed back by pawns is exactly how the game I played happened. Even the a4 pawn move is the exact move I played. The theory behind it was if I took knight, queen would take me. The idea being to bring up my other pawn next to it, except I didn't put it in the second slot, I'm fairly certain I played it to b3. I didn't notice that the pawn was protecting it from the bishop attack. I moved my bishop to a3, then we traded.
I hit the pause button at 1:10 for 1 reason. Humans and computers are getting closer together. I do believe that we can learn quickly from strong computers and I'd love to see this play out. Starting with any puzzle where there is a META and computers are stronger than humans. I don't watch your channel for game analysis. I'm not a good enough Chess player to follow... or enjoy trying to follow. I enjoy the way you talk about chess, and I enjoy a human vs. AIgorythem competition. As well as the Drama... that's always fun. Hitting play again now. I hope this example delivers. Fun Vid! Would love to see Hikaru react. 👍
Holy crap the subtle "Combat Arms" glitching out of the map reference. Not a lot of people get that one... I remember you could like sprint at a pipe on Vertigo and glitch into a wall.
I was so confused when Gotham said no one would play a4 cuz when my friend taught me the Italian he said a4 was vital to trap the bishop. I thought this was a well known line but what do I know, I play the London
Wow this is nuts. This reminds me of those games of AlphaZero vs Stockfish. AlphaZero realized that there is more value in certain board states when there is actually MORE pieces on the board. Taking on C6 doesn’t work because it allows the bishop the diagonal to a8. Keeping the pawn there, even if gives black a point advantage, provides longer-term optimization. Crazy stuff.
dude you talk too much
Fax
Pin of true ish shame
Dude you express too much...
🥵🥶👻 ☠
ok mustafa
Levy is the only one who I will let gaslight me into believing he doesn't clickbait us
PIN PIN PIN PIN
Same
Dude it's not shame
He is saying smth good about him
Yes
@@sidsdabest2416 he said same not shame
This game was actually insane. That level of prep is just mind blowing
Trick to increase view on some video.
So you skipped the video💀
@@xizumix ?
such an npc comment oml
lol I LOVE how everyone here can tell he's just commenting for attention and not from interest
exept the bot obviously..
''you study 8 puzzles you get 5 of them wrong, play 2 blitz games rage and go back to Overwatch 2"
I have never felt so personally attacked hahaha my dude hit all the marks
that really is me every day except for overwatch or whatever 😂
Get sojourn railguned 14 times in a row
same except its valorant or genshin,,,
@@Halfcertified rage, play 2 blitz games again, repeat
I study 10 puzzles, get 4 of them wrong, play 4 blitz games rage and go back to pokeMMO. I am better than Levy thinks.
I've never felt more insulted by him perfectly calling me out for the move, puzzles, and raging to go play ow. Well played.
Just wanted to comment this 🤣
@gothamchess1................. Scamerino
levy 10 moves ahead calling us out
@@iwatchtoomuchhaikyuu5307😊😊
I get so excited when Levi yells out a move like it was a soccer goal.
What's soccer?
More like a wrestler entering the fighting arena.
Football*
Whose levi?
@@hecker9714 futbol
Games like this actually get you wondering whether Fisher was right when he said that prep ruined chess as a game. It still is extremely impressive to have 40 moves of prep, but I feel like the game itself is turning into a memorization competition, rather than a contest of calculation, imagination and creativity.
At the highest level with long time controls, yes it is a huge problem. But Fischer Random Chess, Rapid chess, Blitz and Bullet chess, and all the other chess variants help keep the game interesting for top grandmasters. That's why Hikaru mostly plays Blitz and Bullet online. And in Blitz and Bullet, you can play creative and imaginative chess because the opponent doesn't have a billion years to think about the perfect way to defend it.
Naahhh, there's also part of analyzing your opponent
But how they prep these games,or why,what if you prepare a 40 move game from a certain position but it never arises in the actual game?Isn't it wasted?
@@redwanurrahaman8644most chess grandmaster’s have memory and intelligence beyond at least the top 1% of humans on the planet, and if they are white, they analyse what move their opponent usually plays after the opening played, and if they play something else, prep from other games can play as well
It definitely made it a different game. I think that's not debatable. Ruined is a strong word. The ability to have 40 moves of prep for one line is still absolute insanity.
Someday you’ll run out of synonyms of unbelievable to use in a title
Next title should be wowzers
I don’t believe it!
Hahahah
*"Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious"*
Impossible!😊
“Give me about 15-20mins of your time I promise I won’t disappoint you.”
-Levy 2022
The sad part about this is that Erigaisi couldn't possibly have cheated to know this line because the engine doesn't see far enough forward to think it's a good idea lol
You clearly do not understand computer chess. Humans can't play anywhere near the level of an engine. Do you have any idea how strong Stockfish is? It would blow these guys out of the water. Even giving the best super GMs in the world a two pawn-advantage isnt enough to equalize. Levi doesn't know what he's talking about. The eval bar is not the entire story. There are likely ways to save the position as black but would need to be played at a level only engines could play. When you understand just how strong engines are-videos like these are of pure ignorance.
Depth?
Not everybody is Hans. Indian prodigies are very talented and tireless worker. One of them I hope becomes the world champion.
@@matheusdossantos5053 Good luck having an engine go 40 moves deep
@@bobfred4410 I think you misunderstood. The prep was certainly done with an engine, but you don't need to have 40-move depth to see what it recommends at move 40, as long as the game plays out as expected until then. That is, every GM obviously knows several moves of theory for each of the popular lines in the Italian game. Starting from the end of the typical lines of theory, you let the engine play against itself and take note of which moves it is considering. An engine can pay against itself for hundreds of moves whole only calculating at a depth of 20 moves at any given moment, for example. What is impressive about this game is that for Erigaisi to know 40 moves of preparation for this particular game, his opponent had to stick exactly to one of the lines that he prepared beforehand. Because there are so so so many possible lines, it means that Erigaisi probably prepared an absolutely enormous amount in order to get lucky enough to have it last 40 moves, plus he remembered it all in detail.
What's more impressive was that Arjun showed the sub-variations in his post match discussion with Vishy without even using the board.
I like how he doesn't even hide his contempt for his own audience anymore
I really do only think one move ahead. 180 elo lol
You do know he's joking, right? You can't possibly be so dumb as to not realize it... right?
Loving every video Levy, I don't get the impression you hate your audience at all, but you have a way of calling out the twitch chat "grandmasters" on their arrogant comments which is hilarious, spicy, and entirely deserved.
You'll notice these commenters a lot in any stream of a turnbased game, backseaters, ask any streamer how they feel about them.
He streams with a live chat which allows anyone in the world to say anything, anonymously, to him. He can absolutely reserve the right to call out the arrogant or joking commenters, and only truly vile, toxic comments risk being punished after the fact, not prevented. Twitch has freedom of speech, but not freedom from moral judgement based on what you say.
@@pa7764 relax son, it’s not that deep
@@pa7764 Did you mean to write this as a reply?
oh yes ofc levy would never clickbait us, ever.
Totally. Why would anyone ever say that most of his videos are clickbait? Who knows.
@@recitationtohear did i just got potato rolled?
@@cyUmbriel
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He is the only guy I feel honored being clickbaited from
I prepped 3 moves past my opening knowledge yesterday and felt like I could beat magnus XD
40- moves of prep is wild!
Genuinely thought that he was overplaying this, HE WAS UNDERPLAYING IT.
6:52 deez knights!
I think one of the things that makes Levy's content so much better is the emphasis and emotion he puts into recording, it really enhances the whole experience and captures the craziness of 43 moves of PREP!!! This is such an amazing game, for me, it's up there with Shakh's immortal. Thanks for covering it!
I have no idea to what extent this was engine prep, but if (nearly) all of it was, then I don't see why this is such an amazing game, as it's just an exhibition of exceptional memory and discipline. I mean if in the future human chess will be all about who does best at memorising engine lines, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the game itself?
@@36AccountsBlockedRIP I would argue that, to one extent or another, that is itself the reason it's such an amazing game. YMMV, though.
@@TurnaboutAkamia Imagine if one day the World Championship were to be decided by amazing memorised engine prep, would you still argue that they were amazing games?
@@TurnaboutAkamia Ignore my reply. It was rather daft and not to the point that you stated.
I understand what you mean that the game of chess in itself was amazing.
@@36AccountsBlockedRIP Why would they not be amazing games? That level of memorization is itself an impressive skill. If it were not, then it would be commonplace. Besides, ALL games (not just chess) really do just boil down to computation and learning the best algorithm. The only difference between chess and other, simpler games is that we have no computer powerful enough to solve the game. But all games are solvable. If there exists a set of rules at all, then there exists a set of optimal strategies. The challenge boils down to finding those strategies. There is nothing else to it.
Nice job Levy! 🤗 We ARE entertained. That endgame was "RIDICULOUS!!" "LUNACY!!" "INSANE!!" "CRAZY!!" Absurd
BANNED
not a bot but this really gives npc-ish vibes lmao
@@Ferix__ fr the predictability is on another level
@@Ferix__ I wuz just quoting Levy... If you saw the end?
@@nomoreblitz The emojis makes it seem like it lol
I don't know how to feel about this. On the one hand, memorising so many moves is really impressive, on the other hand it turns chess into a memorization competition at the highest levels.
There have been numerous studies on this actually. At the GM level a lot of it is memorization. A GM's ability to solve a chess puzzle in a game state that makes sense is usually off the charts.
On the other hand the same studies find that GMs struggle with non-nonsensical game states. This is actually one of the reasons why the World Chess960 Championship and the FIDE World Fischer Random Chess Championship are so interesting. By sidestepping normal game states you end up with people playing chess and not going off memorization.
Bobby Fischer shares your sentiment
same, i feel like back at school
This is why Magnus Carlsen often likes to sidestep main lines and critical variations. You can’t memorise 40 moves of prep in every possible variation. Magnus is confident in his skill to win even objectively equal positions once people are out of their prep. Meanwhile this game was in a super common opening - even low intermediate players play this type of Italian up to 10ish moves deep. So this is where GMs will be well prepared.
BANNED? What are you talking about? Magnus and Stockfish paying your rent
3:50 - Literally me today 😂😂😂
That's literally what I did too. Played a few puzzles, required multiple attempts for more than half of them, played 2 RAPID games and then the Christmas bots 😂
8:20
that goal was some wild vodoo magic
Levy is so fun. You can see he is passionate. Always funny and I’m learning a lot. 👍 ❤️
PIN OF SHAME
Like Levy says, don’t lie to yourself, you little 800 elo goober. You’re not learning nothing from GM-level chess play.
@@radscorpion8 response of idiot
@@aarij9260 you’re assuming a lot. I never said it wasn’t entertaining. And I didn’t say that he shouldn’t continue watching. Don’t put words in my chat box.
@@goodie2shoez793 im not the one who humiliate himself XD
3:50 What devil magic did Levy just employ to call me out so nonchalantly, like hello? 💀
6:16 “Even *I* have no train of thought”
Your telling me this dude prepped a full 40 move game and had a response for every move that made sense in the endgame that’s just impressive man
40 moves tree memory is exceptional and heartbreaking!
Dude, the amount of foresight and preparation to make the situation perfect to use this strategy having enough fail-safes that even the computer goes "wait, wait... WAIT WHAT?"
That is strategy at its finest
I love this guy because he just randomly mentions Combat Arms in the middle of the video. That's it, summed up.
6:47 Levy said "wire deez nuts"
4:00 dude Levy fu, described how i spend my free time, absolutely hilarious!
Watched the game live in person. Then watched the live interview of Arjun analyzing the variations with Vishy Anand post match. Vishy was really in high praise. Really one of the most memorable moments ever.
ahhh it was a live interview, that's why I can't find it 😢
3:51 - 4:00 - broski couldn’t have got my life more accurate lmfaoooo
Well, minus the getting the majority of puzzles wrong and raging at blitz, but the OW2 point is spot-on lol
3:52 well I don’t know why you needed to add the personal attack on me
black can force a draw after f3, the eval is +1.5 but white cannot make progress and the game will simply go on forever if the players don't agree to a draw.
Okay, this was even better than I expected
Levi at 4:07: You play A4 so you can prepare B4
me: prepare before what?
Levi: No, B4
Me: Yeah, Before what?
Levi: (shoots me for that stupid bit)
Every day RUclips Gotham grows closer and closer to Twitch Gotham and I love to see it
I’d like to see how stockfish would play in that position.
3:46 lmfao perfectly described me
Yes I've gotta admit this really is mind blowing. The fact that not even stockfish can properly see a few moves ahead in that key position - wow. Very impressive indeed!
depends on the depth
he's gotta set stockfish to go unlimited depth, I think he has max 21 or something, if you let stockfish sit and think a bit it would figure it out
@@gabrielmalek7575 Yeah, I guess. But I have seen instances where both Leela and sf have actually made miscalculations in recent times in the tcec tournaments.
Stockfish would have played Nc3 after f3 and it''s a draw.
He’s like the kid at school that already knew all the work before the year started
Levy uploading is the highlight of my day... maybe I need to go outside more
If you did go outside you'd return home all lonely :/ (kidding tho I hope u can share your life with friends)
me trying to think 20 moves ahead as elo 700... eventually messing up all 20 moves
5:16 Levi just started speaking 7 languages combined like it was normal.
0:01 where’s the state at the start of the video
Gotham, try enabling NNUE in the computer settings. If you go to the gear icon in the upper right and set the chess engine to Stockfish 15 NNUE and the lines to 1, Stockfish finds the whole line with f3 Rd5 Ra5 Ra8 in about 2 seconds. In order to have computer analysis at the highest level, you should totally enable NNUE. It makes Stockfish 150 ELO stronger and more positional in nature.
That's exactly why he doesn't use it. To make a move/idea seem more impressive than what it actually is because stockfish "can't see" it. He basically handicaps stockfish and then acts surprised when it doesn't see something.
@@spacedragon2753 I disagree, Hikaru and other popular youtubers treat what Classic Stockfish 15 says as fact, without realizing that there is a NNUE option to make it stronger. He's not like an big online persona masking the truth to make it seem more brilliant, he's just a little ignorant of the setting. A lot of people actually are.
@@spacedragon2753 A 3300 engine not seeing a line with that much time is still scary
@@clausable6328 Even if they are ignorant about that specific setting, they still treat what Classic Stockfish 15 says as fact even though they have been told over and over that a browser engine is extremely handicapped. Also, even Gotham has said in videos that he knows that browser stockfish is bad, yet that's what he continues to use to claim "brilliant ideas that stockfish didn't see". This is obviously to make something look more brilliant than what it actually is, because (once again) he already knows that browser stockfish just isn't good, which means that the "ignorant about it" argument is invalid.
@@ObjectiveGamingx It's not scary at all, because the browser engine is extremely handicapped. The engine's elo only makes sense when you let it run at its full potential.
I haven't watched the game yet, but hearing Levy claim he doesn't clickbait is genuinely hilarious. He's done a better job straddling the clickbait/unsub line than any other content creator on RUclips.
I didn't think the game Combat Arms would be mentioned in a chess game. Kudos to Levy bringing up a childhood game I used to play!
If I had a nickel every time Levi talked about Combat Arms in relation to chess, I'd have two nickels which isn't a lot, but it's weird it's happened twice
I really like this comment, congrats.
He said please, I have to watch it now
"You solve 8 puzzles. You get 5 of them wrong. Then you play 2 blitz games, you rage. And you go back to playing Overwatch 2."
How many cameras have you installed in my room Levy?!
i was thinking the same thing wtf
So glad to be subbed to someone with enough respect to never clickbait us with his titles... life is good.
Levy passion for the game is stuninng and so fun to watch
the random switch to commentary about netherlands USA did me in
I feel like a3/a4 is common in the Italian. The idea is to give your white bishop an escape for the move Na5. In addition, it also attacks the b4 square.
It is, i don't know why Levy went on a spiel about "you could never find this move" for what is an easy to spot, thematic move. Very weird. Even 1200s will play it sometimes to try to trap the opponent's bishop on b6 or b3.
3:45 You literally just described me.
Levy ur engagement with us the viewers or at least for me in these recent videos has been outstanding. Well done, I know you receive a lot of love from many people but just wanted to share my part too
Arjun prepared 40 moves, he had more time than he started at move 30, Nihal was down to 20 seconds, Insane preparation be Arjun.
At 3:50 hey Levy you didn’t have to do me like that 😢…… 😂
Goth I need to formally thank you for getting me into chess I started playing 30days ago exactly for the 1st time and I just hit 400elo on rapid I’m so proud of myself. (I’ve never played chess before I just started learning last month)
I’m in the same boat I’ve played before but for 2 weeks I’ve been watching and learning and I just hit 408 last night
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if you wanna get higher quicker, learn some opening traps since some of them are actually common! i recommend playing kings gambit as white as it has a lot of traps
@@xxchickenxx5086 i werent learning openings until i was 1200, he is 400 dude, he is probably around the phase where he is learning that knights can go back
@@harshrajsharma5050 yea thats why learning openings as a 400 is the best way to win more
4:10
You play A4 because you are good at chess
I play A4 because I'm a dumbass
We are not the same
This is insanity, and I'm here for every moment of it. Thanks for another great video Levy!
"I would never clickbait you"
Says Levy after his 39th "I quit chess" videos.
16:06 "I drink your milkshake!" is all i could think here lol.
@3:40 If Andrew Tate was a chess teacher
YESSS, I've been waiting for a new video, can't do without my daily dose of GothamChess
Everyone: Yeah bro I totally believe that you are not clickbaiting us.
I mean its not like the past frew videos were kinda fake. It must be a Hullicination right???
Gotham: 😏
3:49 absolutely brutal roasting. i don't even do that and I felt roasted 😭
You used to play combat arms? Damn thats a deep cut. Jumping off the tower into the missile silo and spamming crouch to clip through was a huge part of my childhood
Unbelievable.
Levy: Chess has been solved
Me: I'm listening...
Levy: we have an Italian Opening
Me: I knew it!
I don't understand chess, but your passion and explanations are so potent that even a complete chess block head like myself is able to grasp what you are talking about!
Levy would tell you : don't worry, no one understands chess
Here's a wacky way idea that could be used to balance the impact of prep:
When you start a move with a lead on the clock, 20% of that lead is converted to a Fischer clock.
For example, if your opponent makes a move and has 10 minutes left while you have 30 (i.e. a 20 minute lead), and you play your response in 20 seconds, it still counts as if you had taken 4 minutes. Then you'd get your increment and finish your move 16:30 minutes ahead.
Meaning that if you have enough prep to blitz out the first 20 moves, your opponent will burn a lot of time but so will you
This is the definition of "I am 4 parallel universes ahead of you"
Love your videos! You have helped me go from 200 rating to 830 and still rising
Same! How long did it take you? My all time low is 114🤢 and I'm up to 834
@@poiseful I was just about to ask how long it took. Also is this rapid or blitz?
@@paulkeith38 mine is rapid, I only play blitz when I'm on the shitter I'm only in the 600s in blitz
What an insane game! To think people can actually calculate all that with so little time is just incredible
The point is Arjun didn't calculate it it was prep.
@@seangraylin wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooossssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
@@Legendendear Ah yes get called out on a blatantly obvious incorrect statement but oh no it is actually the person correcting who is in the wrong because it is all a joke. What an easy copout and people need to stop using it every time they are called out.
@@Legendendear you're annoying
15:00
This part was absolutely beautiful to listen to. So much passion
And this explains exactly why Magnus plays nonstandard openings. When you can solve an entire line, and remember it, the only way to get back to human vs human play is to deliberately create a small weakness and explode the tree in p space.
3:40 Levy with those personal insults. I feel personally attacked
OK unpopular opinion: 40 moves of prep is dumb. It takes the creativity and the art out of battling through a position where you don't know the best moves, and have to actually find them instead of just memorizing the whole game. Learning a position via ideas and training tactics is OK, but at some point, these prep games become a battle of who was more devoted to memorizing theory. In that respect, chess engines have ruined high-level chess for me.
We all play chess in a single format which is the same pieces in the same place. If, we change the format of chess board like chess960 than there would be few grandmasters who can play their game with the performance rating above 2400's. But if you scramble the pieces of Chess Engines, they would still play high level chess. So, we should blame the way chess is being taught to learn, not the chess engines.
Chess engines didn't ruin high level chess but they are a way to learn high level chess.
@@bmxplays4666 Good point. There is nothing inherently wrong with engines, I just don't like the way they are used.
40 brilliant moves by Stockfish15 is usual. But in a real game!
73rd+Pin+Ratio?+Petition for Levy cooking stream+Djibouti is the best country
I've played this exact start in extremely low elo by accident (500/600) rapid rating. At least up until 3:32. Even the bishop being pushed back by pawns is exactly how the game I played happened.
Even the a4 pawn move is the exact move I played. The theory behind it was if I took knight, queen would take me. The idea being to bring up my other pawn next to it, except I didn't put it in the second slot, I'm fairly certain I played it to b3. I didn't notice that the pawn was protecting it from the bishop attack. I moved my bishop to a3, then we traded.
I hit the pause button at 1:10 for 1 reason.
Humans and computers are getting closer together.
I do believe that we can learn quickly from strong computers and I'd love to see this play out. Starting with any puzzle where there is a META and computers are stronger than humans.
I don't watch your channel for game analysis. I'm not a good enough Chess player to follow... or enjoy trying to follow.
I enjoy the way you talk about chess, and I enjoy a human vs. AIgorythem competition. As well as the Drama... that's always fun.
Hitting play again now. I hope this example delivers.
Fun Vid! Would love to see Hikaru react. 👍
New gothemchess video 😍
Pin of loyalty, 18s after posting !
3:40 I totally play a4, granted I do it when all my other pieces are stuck but the fact remains
This was the first GothamChess video I watched and I'm so glad it was. Legendary game.
when he sacced the horse i felt the stockfish logo burn to my retinas
7:41 bro is attacking me at this point 😭😭
I actually played a4 when I didn’t know how the game worked to get the tower out quickly🥶
3:54 I’v been called out before, but never that specific, my god, can you stop spying on me?
Holy crap the subtle "Combat Arms" glitching out of the map reference. Not a lot of people get that one... I remember you could like sprint at a pipe on Vertigo and glitch into a wall.
I will sacrifice any piece, even the king, if only to double as many of my opponent’s pieces as humanly possible
"You play 8 puzzles and get 5 of them wrong, then you play 2 blitz games and rage."
I feel attacked.
dude woke up and chose violence
Did black blunder a bishop after the knight sacrafice?
I was so confused when Gotham said no one would play a4 cuz when my friend taught me the Italian he said a4 was vital to trap the bishop. I thought this was a well known line but what do I know, I play the London
Wow this is nuts. This reminds me of those games of AlphaZero vs Stockfish. AlphaZero realized that there is more value in certain board states when there is actually MORE pieces on the board. Taking on C6 doesn’t work because it allows the bishop the diagonal to a8. Keeping the pawn there, even if gives black a point advantage, provides longer-term optimization. Crazy stuff.