Hello Doug, my husband and I are new to your channel. We wanted to say thank you for your dedication to seeking/teaching the truth. We live in Nebraska and have been members of a Covenant /Systematic theology church for almost 3 years now. We have been reformed Calvinists for most of our 34 years of marriage. We learned about the Doctrines of Grace through our pastor Sam Pitrone at the time in Denver, CO. back in the early nineties. Our current pastor is teaching about the Covenant of works, Covenant of grace and Covenant of redemption in our Sunday school. It wasn't resonating with us and just don't see it in the scriptures. Thankfully, our 33 year old son found your channel one night while researching the roots of Covenant Theology and we then recalled that our former pastor from Denver told us a few years ago that he is New Covenant Theology. He has since recommended a couple of John Reisinger's books and we're going through them and are starting to understand New Covenant Theology/ Biblical Theology as the correct hermeneutic in which to interpret the word.... P.S. We cut our teeth on R.C.Sproul when we were pups! Blessings! Also, we very much agree on the traditional model of church. Bill and Lanette Faucett
Good video. I've been going over the same thing with "what exactly is prophecy" I think there are two types of definitions I agree with. But I think it's directly hearing from God and relaying the message to some one specific. So prophecy covers a lot of the gifts. Like encouraging. God could tell you to give a perfect pointed encouraging word to some one. Is that the gift of encouragement? Yes is it also partly prophetic. I believe yes.
Regarding the definition of prophecy. Shouldn't we just assume that NT prophecy is identical to OT prophecy, unless there is a clear distinction made in the NT that something changed?
Regarding 1 Cor 11.5, one thing I would point out for the careful observer is that it does not actually use the word "permit", or that women are "allowed" to pray or prophesy. At the most, it's simply saying that they were doing it. Sometimes I think we read into 1 Cor 11.5 the word "permit" or "allow" when it is not actually there.
Thanks for the video. You keep mentioning the idea of our current church model (of one person preaching without anyone else being able to contribute) being incompatible with what is presented in 1 Cor 14. Have you heard of the Plymouth Brethren movement?
I have lived this. Taught by God through Holy Ghost. I asked him, because none of the men could be trusted to tell the truth or teach it. I have not had anyone get near what Lord Jesus Christ reveal to me. I could write a library about it, if I was alliwed to. You also cannot have 34, 35 without 36 they go together. The men while they think they know reveal their ignorance as well as bias. When we are taught by the Lord, we live His teaching. The Husband of the Church is Lord Jesus Christ, so I ask Him at Home. The men at this time have their own agenda, so the women will be delivered out and home. The men can hear only the male voice and do their own work. The absence of the female voice is judgement. The women will get the much needed rest they need and get right with God, he is the only one that genuinely loves the female. The men can clean themselves up and get rid of the evil bias agenda. Its not on.
I think maybe we over think things sometimes. A Prophet was simply an intermediary between God and His audience. A prophet was to pass on what God had told him to the people God had told him to tell. Sometimes it was futuristic sometimes it was just informative, however, whatever was said was always to be "what God had said" to a certain people at a certain time concerninga specific situation. (At least as I understand it in the O.T.). If we hold to what the "function" of a Prophet was, then "prophesying" today is "somebody" telling somebody, exactly what "God" has directly revealed to them, to pass on to whatever audience "God" has directly specified. So, the Prophet and prophecy we should listen to, today, is the one we believe God has directly revealed extra biblical revelation to. Let you know when I find one. (I might be compleatly off the reservation with this but thats how I understand it).
Regarding the definition of prophecy. Couldn't we just say that the definition of prophecy is the same in both OT and NT. Without a clear statement in the NT saying that prophecy changed somehow, we would have to assume that it is just like OT prophecy.
Does it seem like in verse 34 Paul says "The women" that everything said before that refer to men having a Psalm a teaching a revelation etc. Also is chapter 11 about the Christian life outside the assembled body until verse 20 where it says therefore when you meet together. Thanks
I don’t see anything in the first part of ch. 11 that limits or suggests a specific time or space. 14:34 is difficult. The view that I mentioned (and lean toward) would not prohibit women from “speaking” prayers or prophecies, etc. Teaching is another matter, of course.
Man you got my brain going I think you're on to something about Prophesying. There is Something about what you're saying in the sense that those prophesying are talking about the fulfillments of Christ, explaining the scripture, Pointing to Jesus. It could be possible those who were of old when they were prophesying they were exclaiming God's great works That happened in the past.... Which would be distinguished from future prophecies about Gods plan before the fullness of time came. Then of course Christ and his foundation stones the apostles would Prophesy about future events. I have to look more into that
Study in the Greek then it becomes clear, along with Timothy’s letter as well. Read the scriptures in totality along with the eyes to see the ancient culture of the day and not a white western modern view point. So many get this wrong.
Hello Doug, my husband and I are new to your channel. We wanted to say thank you for your dedication to seeking/teaching the truth. We live in Nebraska and have been members of a Covenant /Systematic theology church for almost 3 years now. We have been reformed Calvinists for most of our 34 years of marriage. We learned about the Doctrines of Grace through our pastor Sam Pitrone at the time in Denver, CO. back in the early nineties. Our current pastor is teaching about the Covenant of works, Covenant of grace and Covenant of redemption in our Sunday school. It wasn't resonating with us and just don't see it in the scriptures. Thankfully, our 33 year old son found your channel one night while researching the roots of Covenant Theology and we then recalled that our former pastor from Denver told us a few years ago that he is New Covenant Theology. He has since recommended a couple of John Reisinger's books and we're going through them and are starting to understand New Covenant Theology/ Biblical Theology as the correct hermeneutic in which to interpret the word.... P.S. We cut our teeth on R.C.Sproul when we were pups! Blessings! Also, we very much agree on the traditional model of church. Bill and Lanette Faucett
Thank you for sharing that! Seems like many of us have had similar journeys! Another great resource is David H J Gay
Welcome! Thanks for the kind words.
I guess one advantage then of traditional church is that there are no issues of anyone speaking at the wrong time as everyone is silent lol.
True!
Good video. I've been going over the same thing with "what exactly is prophecy" I think there are two types of definitions I agree with. But I think it's directly hearing from God and relaying the message to some one specific. So prophecy covers a lot of the gifts. Like encouraging. God could tell you to give a perfect pointed encouraging word to some one. Is that the gift of encouragement? Yes is it also partly prophetic. I believe yes.
It’s a tough one. I would like to find the answer.
Regarding the definition of prophecy. Shouldn't we just assume that NT prophecy is identical to OT prophecy, unless there is a clear distinction made in the NT that something changed?
Regarding 1 Cor 11.5, one thing I would point out for the careful observer is that it does not actually use the word "permit", or that women are "allowed" to pray or prophesy. At the most, it's simply saying that they were doing it. Sometimes I think we read into 1 Cor 11.5 the word "permit" or "allow" when it is not actually there.
Thanks for the video. You keep mentioning the idea of our current church model (of one person preaching without anyone else being able to contribute) being incompatible with what is presented in 1 Cor 14. Have you heard of the Plymouth Brethren movement?
I have lived this. Taught by God through Holy Ghost. I asked him, because none of the men could be trusted to tell the truth or teach it. I have not had anyone get near what Lord Jesus Christ reveal to me. I could write a library about it, if I was alliwed to. You also cannot have 34, 35 without 36 they go together. The men while they think they know reveal their ignorance as well as bias. When we are taught by the Lord, we live His teaching. The Husband of the Church is Lord Jesus Christ, so I ask Him at Home. The men at this time have their own agenda, so the women will be delivered out and home. The men can hear only the male voice and do their own work. The absence of the female voice is judgement. The women will get the much needed rest they need and get right with God, he is the only one that genuinely loves the female. The men can clean themselves up and get rid of the evil bias agenda. Its not on.
I think maybe we over think things sometimes. A Prophet was simply an intermediary between God and His audience. A prophet was to pass on what God had told him to the people God had told him to tell. Sometimes it was futuristic sometimes it was just informative, however, whatever was said was always to be "what God had said" to a certain people at a certain time concerninga specific situation. (At least as I understand it in the O.T.). If we hold to what the "function" of a Prophet was, then "prophesying" today is "somebody" telling somebody, exactly what "God" has directly revealed to them, to pass on to whatever audience "God" has directly specified. So, the Prophet and prophecy we should listen to, today, is the one we believe God has directly revealed extra biblical revelation to. Let you know when I find one. (I might be compleatly off the reservation with this but thats how I understand it).
Regarding the definition of prophecy. Couldn't we just say that the definition of prophecy is the same in both OT and NT. Without a clear statement in the NT saying that prophecy changed somehow, we would have to assume that it is just like OT prophecy.
Does it seem like in verse 34 Paul says "The women" that everything said before that refer to men having a Psalm a teaching a revelation etc. Also is chapter 11 about the Christian life outside the assembled body until verse 20 where it says therefore when you meet together. Thanks
I don’t see anything in the first part of ch. 11 that limits or suggests a specific time or space. 14:34 is difficult. The view that I mentioned (and lean toward) would not prohibit women from “speaking” prayers or prophecies, etc. Teaching is another matter, of course.
Man you got my brain going I think you're on to something about Prophesying. There is Something about what you're saying in the sense that those prophesying are talking about the fulfillments of Christ, explaining the scripture, Pointing to Jesus.
It could be possible those who were of old when they were prophesying they were exclaiming God's great works That happened in the past.... Which would be distinguished from future prophecies about Gods plan before the fullness of time came. Then of course Christ and his foundation stones the apostles would Prophesy about future events. I have to look more into that
It doesn’t answer all the questions, but it seems like there’s something to it.
Study in the Greek then it becomes clear, along with Timothy’s letter as well. Read the scriptures in totality along with the eyes to see the ancient culture of the day and not a white western modern view point. So many get this wrong.
Prophecy means "to speak forth"