Gravicci is good anti-Zombie. While the long-ass foreswing is there, it becomes less concerning since he is assigned to most suitable typing: Zombie. Most of zombie is low range and tank, so Gravicci has easier time to land an attack. His Freeze ability is now guaranteed, you do not need to deal with RNG bullshit anymore. New Strong ability is another great additional. His attack is now lethal to them while providing him good survivability against sudden burrowing attack. He is no longer that annoying officer guy. His attack has much better reward than before. However, the same thing can't be said to his anti-Relic typing. It's the opposite of Zombie. Most of them has big range or big piercing attack. If you try to use Gravicci on them face-to face, he will just get juggled. The key to use him properly on Relic enemy is to avoid direct confrontation. Find good stepping stone to active his Wave ATK and freeze his target. Gravicci is still fine anti-Relic, but he is not for every Relic stage
Gravicci is good in the right scenario, but I found that from using it as a generalist anti zombie that Gravicci is too inconsistent and finnicky. Half of the time he misses his attack because of their ridiculously long foreswing. Especially if you bring other strong attackers like cadaver, lil flying, etc.
I have logistix and the unit isn’t so good by itself (might be a non tf problem) and gets kb wayyy to often, but the combo helped me in so many behemoth stages that are time based and money tight
Kitty of Liberty is a really overlooked cat. I like her usage in Starred Alien stages (CotC) despite not being anti-alien she can still dish out a lot of damage. I kinda compare her usage like how Shield Piercers are used in Aku levels, and I could even argue that KoL could be a decent overall generalist.
Agree. KoL is like a dragon cat with lower range and surviability in exchange for higher damage output, cheaper cost and recharge. Definately underrated.
I am so glad that liberties usage is going up cuz I use them quite often and my friend has them in their general lineup and uses them everywhere they're surprisingly an excellent counter towards R Ost thanks for them being cheap with extremely high damage and having more than enough range hit them sometimes you can get more than one ungodly tanki Like dancer they perform amazingly throughout the entire game once you get their true form
Agreed. During the underground labyrinth, I just plopped Kitty of Liberty in as trap fodder. Then he proceeded to carry me until he inevitably got trapped. My views on Kitty of Liberty definitely changed.
4 Stars restriction (Rare & Special only) is actually fun, and the N-1 Grand Prix restriction (Normal & Uber/Legend only) is the worst restriction in the entire game even though i play with ubers.
2:55 I want to clarify too, heariny my comment read out loud, that I love seeing underdog units shine where you least expect them to. Labyrinth is an example I’d point at, I just get a lot of joy from seeing random units excel/reveal strengths that might go underappreciated.
Lineup creativity doesn’t change how actually viable units are. And with how busted endgame content only the best of the best are useful. Tldr: keep malding that your favorite units suck
@@tacotown4598 You're the type of person who makes battle cat's less appealing to me. Of course endgame requires proper units that can handle the ridiculous tasks it throws out, but my point was completely dismissing units period because they dont stack up to other units. I'm not begging for these bad units to get better, I just like playing the game and seeing a random unit shine, even for a brief moment. Also my favorite unit's are the Titan Family, and I know better than to bring their asses to most stages, but its about making unorthadox strats work that can make the game more fun, but go ahead, demand us to have courier in every lineup. That sure is fun. At the end of the day, it's just fun to discuss this game and some units that have even an iota of potential, and I'm gonna continue doing that.
@@BrimBlam you can play the game however you want. But complaining because the rest of the community doesn’t share your enjoyment of random units isn’t a problem of the community, it’s a problem with you. When have I ever said anything about bringing courier to every lineup???? Once again, I have no problem with you enjoying the game and playing the way you want. No one has ever had a problem with that. But I don’t want to go on a rant praising every mediocre unit that helped you in one easy stage, and I don’t think anyone wants to hear that from you.
@@tacotown4598 Considering you said I was “malding” over units not being viable for late game, I guess I replied how I felt would explain myself better, and I genuinely just wanted to discuss battle cats. Your responses just makes me realize that I might have pushed my way of playing a bit too much. I’m not asking people to enjoy the game the way I do, I just think it lessen’s the fun you can have and wanted to share my perspective on the game.
I’ll just leave it at this, genuinely wasnt trying to argue with someone or claim you should play the game how I do, I just shared how I dislike how the comminity has a habit of writing off even decent units because they arent S tier, and I genuinely apologize for any hostility I showed.
14:33 I have seen Inspector Gabriel miss so many times I'm pretty sure he's missed more attacks than he landed, although that combo is insanely good so I bring him anyways
I will always say this about dark kasli, her curse is amazing. Most curse units suck because they are specialized for their specific trait, which doesn't help very often, only in very specific scenarios. Dark Kalsi on the other hand can curse everything and makes almost every annoying enemy with abilites useless, enemies like saint pigge, henry, gobble, zrollow, m'ost etc... There is no doubt she is the best uber as with her curse uncanny legends becomes a joke with every relic enemy no longer cursing and just becoming tanky peons. With her curse she even makes mitama meta in uncanny cause you no longer have to worry about her losing her abilities.
About the cotc hot take, aguham is pure torture in all 3 chapters, and chapter 2 forced ponos to give lil macho legs barrier breaker because very few people used loincloth cat, the only other barrier breaker you could use in aguham until lmm gained barrier breaker
-Regarding the Gravicci question, I've tried him and yea he's kind of strange to use, but is useful in the places he works. His cat combo with riceball is a good alternative for the "bio-bone" combo if you need the slots. -I understand why Kai can be considered bad due to that massive fore-swing, but she does have shield pierce and deals a lot of damage when it does hit. Also the recent Aku Defense orb S makes her job easier. -I agree Yamii still is bad at his anti-Aku job, but thankfully its now one of the best wave blockers in the game. -Please give more respect to Mizli... especially the fact that super talents may give the funni blue bnuuy a new niche at some point (hopefully metal related).
as a Gravicci owner, yeah, he's very awkward to use, no matter the form, all due to that 3 seconds foreswing, making him miss both his freeze, and his wave, incredibly often, so if you do even need to use this hot piece of ass (can be taken two ways), be mindful about that, also Vigler = Lucifer, no further questions, just two hot demons. As for the Merc thing, yes, that is true, Merc can be extremely helpful early on, like in Aguham of CotC 1, if you're lucky, she can help sweep the metals and make it flow MUCH smoother!
Hey Mark, I sadly can't comment in community posts thanks to my device, but I hope that you can at least see 1 of these hot takes: Continuing from the Atlantis Logistix hot take, it has one of the BEST combos in this game, with Courier, this combo carries H A R D in zombie and regular stages, its a great way to start early game regularly, and a greater way to salvage money in zombie stages. Shitakiri Sparrow(Chunchun Hunters) is actually underrated, he sucks against aku, but he bullies Exiel, this was before I even got Kintaro, Chunchun's health is pretty nice and his kb helps to give your other units some breathing room, keep in mind everything here is based on the Exiel experience, I don't use him normally in angel stages since Kintaro and Sarukani already shred, but he does exceptionally well against Exiel. Yellow Stone Volcano in Hunter's Map 3 is pure evil, you have to face the behemoth Owl, who is actually horrifying, and after all that pain, you only get ONE Yellow Stone, another reason why I'm not looking toward to getting Hitman and Luza. Akane Tendo, from the Ranma 1/2 collaboration is much better than Mousse, I do NOT care if Mousse has Aphrodite's pierce or whatever, curse works horribly against zombies and you will most likely want to freeze, slow, or nuke aliens than curse them. Himeyuri is so forgotten yet she is probably the only anti-angel that outranges Winged Pigge that doesn't have LD, I used her for that alot before I even got Kintaro, I don't use her for that anymore and I only use her against relics now. The entirety of the Aku trait is slowly getting nerfed, as more Akuber true forms come, the trait is slowly getting weaker, take Rangmaster for an example, he was the most monstrous aku enemy, and all it took was for a 10 year old boy just to gain a small bit of color on his cape and a funny looking hat just to throw Rangmaster in the pushover territory. I don't think you will actually see this, but if you do, it would be greatly appreciated.
Hello, here a Himeyuri owner You are goddamn right Himeyuri and her humongous range. Himeyuri's problem are mix stages (like most units weaknesses). Other thing is that she works AWESOME against bunbuns, yeah, I know about the existence of other good ubers antifloating, but Himeyuri shines in her own way.
I don't own many collab Ubers But I'm pretty sure I own the worst one from Merc storia and I own two pretty solid ones from faith I don't have are the monster gal you're talking about so I cannot talk about her much aku is not really really releasing too much scary stuff all kids are still relatively tough the counter with no Ubers
What would be interesting is for a future video similar to this, is to ask people to add there UR/ best achievement in the game, just to be able to grasp people’s opinions. People halfway thru SoL will have greatly different opinions on “the best boss battle” compared to someone in ZL/starred UL. Great video btw, keep up the good work!
Writing off units is something I've been guilty of before, just keep in mind that just because a unit is outclassed doesn't mean it's bad. The worst thing I've done is (while seed tracking) chose sweet love mekako over sweet aphrodite because I heard that it's worse than radiant aphrodite. It is, but mekako is worse in general
17:50 Yeah, I have Yaminoir and both first and second form are trash But! The third form actually give him a good purpose now, he's now a tanker with a wave block ability that helps A LOT against Aku face. Yeah, he does not have the shield breaker ability but, now is more useful
Instead of giving him like shield piercer something basic like that they just gave him wave blocker and that probably just made him better overall than being a half decent anti aku Uber
People should treat Multi-hit as 2/3 different attack on the same unit or even enemy. I do understand the dps divide thing but again, it's just a different attack which the unit perform that might hit again or not. Take Nalaa as an example. He have 3 part multi-hit that is just connected to each other and will almost never attack an enemy 2 times. What makes him good is that he attack different area at slighty different time and each attack area have its own dps (I don't own Nalaa I can't say more than that though...). Or a multi-hit unit that relies everything on third hit like Crazed Moneko or Jagando which their ability is on third hit, it only means that they can protect themself from enemy while preparing for the real attack. Better than those unit with long forswing and can't protect itself while doing the animation.
Unfortunately, I missed participating in this one, but it is still fun to see everyone else's input at the end of the day. Here's some of my hot takes anyways: - Eraser Cat is overrated. Too hard and inconsistent to to level fast enough to scale with the rest of your units nowadays, and replaceable by other meatshields (Riceball, Jiangshi, Li'l Eraser). - Luza's True Form is low priority. In the current scope of BC, all of the endgame stages where you would potentially use Luza are easily beatable without him, with cheaper options such as Awakened Naala for general purpose replacement, and Doron + Idi for M. Ost. Save your stones for Supercar and Hitman. - Hades is extremely strong (S tier or A+ if you tier list doesn't use SSS tier). He doesn't "break" any stages before endgame, but his power is strong enough to easily work on most tanking stages and make a difference between you losing and winning. In endgame however, he scales incredibly well due to HP talents and boosting to 50, as well the fact that specialized tanking becomes more niche in favor of Hades' massive generalist tanking capabilities.
I can definitely agree that eraser has fallen off a lot because with all the power creep in the game now are you going to punish so far to the point that you're going to have like a level 27 or 31 tank cat when you reach uncanny Legends Luza‘s for me is going to be a very high priority cuz I'm just going to get him and then get every other it's going to be painful but for me that's probably the easiest method of getting all the legends I can agree with Haiti since I just got him but I need to leveling him up since I just started the aku part of uncanny Legends I assume this is where his power spike is anyways I love the content I've been watching you since the underrated units video like first came out
6:30 THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM; on Sunday when I went to one of my friends house they showed me their ubers and said their Gladios was bad because of Xskull's ranking even though one of the stages they were stuck on Crazed Cat would be easier
That's mean your friend is the problem, he failed to understand what make a unit good or bad and didn't know how to think outside the box and use other options.
I think 9:32 has some other things to add on, the treasures make it easier but not cheap and still makes the finales of each chapter in cotc plus cat god is cool but dumb that he is repeated 3 times and after you beat the 3rd chapter of cotc and possibly the final chapter of story mode only for filibuster obstructa to show up and have. The most unique of the story mode stages and defeating him gives you the unit and this concludes the game and while it goes on and meta filibuster being the true final boss of the game, cotc feels like the finale given it has a lot to offer and restrictions give it another mechanic the game teaches you about to prepare for 4 crown sol and ul
12:13 it's probably because most popular rushers are way faster and have no attack animation so they just instantly attack when rebounded and also because they are really close ranged
6:23 I used to be one of those people, but as time went on and I'd watch some of the ranking vids or showcase vids and see them talking down on x unit's stats or calling a unit outright bad or "outclassed" and began thinking, "no, I actually like this unit" or, "that stat is fine, what are you talking about." I'm not sure what triggered this, likley in improved game sense after taking the game a bit more seriously iver the last year, but being able to formulate my own opinions on units based on my own usage instead of calling units I dont even own bad becuase someone else said so has massively improved my enjoyment of the game. I do still use those videos to get an idea of what to expect out of a unit that I don't yet own, and I'm not saying I always disagree with their opinions, but I no longer take their rankings or opinions as fact nor do I stray away from using specific units due to what one of those videos said about them. I've also noticed that they tend to take very minor issues and act like it ruins the unit, which annoys me when that does happen (i.e. Vigler's backswing.).
I do not like using cameraman yes, he is a good unit, but due to my burst damage/nuker focused playstyle, he doesn't looks that good in comparison to the rest. Due to his low range, he dies super easily, and while I really like using midrangers, he is too fragile to survive even the smallest push. The survive ability helps, sure, but it is not enough. He is also incapable of doing anything when alone, which makes him look really bad in cash starving situations (that I put myself into every single time because I don't know how to properly manage my money) overall, I've only used him for very specific bosses, like li'l lion, and I never bring him in my lineups, prefering units like pizza, can can, courier, cutter, rocc, jello or bullet train. And if I need something that can be stacked, I always go with dragon and mina, since they have a lot more range
I agree with the statement about Labrynth. I have hella cats, but I would require amazing luck to even make a ton of progress. Once you use something with an ability you need and fail, you just lost all those units for any future use. It sucks going through it to just lose even if you play flawlessly. I have 297 units
Jiangshi is a top 5 gacha rare (because courier and other behemoth cats) dont kill me. Its perfect especially against high peon stages and backline bosses like nyandam variants and even le noir.. some say metal cat is great against those but I disagree due to how much wiggle room it has as a meatshield. With stages with lots of spam and money it serves as a great option for a meatshield because it could handle anything. I haven’t used kyubey and assuming the last time that collab appeared, I’ll probably never get it but it’s just kyubey without the rng hassle. Jiangshi is a great meatshield to use and is still relevant throughout UL which lands it in the top 5 gacha rares. It also has tiny ancient hunt so thats a bonus
Talented Poseidon is one of the best almighties in the endgame. I find much more usage for him than amaterasu or chronos, being a nuke rusher with nearly 300k savage blow damage and rebound he can occasionally dish out rapid savage blows if a backliner is knocking him back, only flaw is foreswing.
I think Another reason curse is overlooked is that it's a pretty uncommon ability.pretty much The only non uber or event cursers are boomerang, who is terrible, and masked grandmaster, who is annoying to get and doesn't even have curse as his main ability anyway
16:10 although very niche, cactus is significantly better than bellydancer for me because i have lucifer. Using these two units can boost both lucifer's damage and cactus's health, making them a great combo. I agree that cactus has way too high of a cost to true form though, there's no way you're gonna get this guy before you beat aku realms.
mid game is the funniest point of the game, there advents, sol, and many more. I don’t like UL, after doron. It feels mundane and boring in my personal opinion, Luza is a great ending but overall that’s the only memorable stage i can think of aside from birth of true man and the rest of the stages of humanity catified after the doron stretch. specialist > generalist i still think primative souls 3 star is the hardest level, the otters is what do it for me.
I remember actually quite a bit of mid game yeah you might be right and I'm just entered post doron uncanny Legends it's pretty hyped to do hell's all stars and see aku finally in uncanny Legends and after all that I immediately lose to the big sal level this is the second time and uncanny Legends this is happened to me I'm starting to hate this enemy I agree with generalist vs specialist I think specialists our overall better than generalist
Well considering that stories of legends takes place before cat gods birth (The cats used a silly time machine to go back in time), It's understandable why you can't use him
hot take: All of the clionel stages combined are a ton easier than n-1 grand prix. I have major carry on both stages, but I have never been able to get WahWah below 50%, while I have done all clionel stages with relative ease. Also, I personally think Ogre Island is fun, but mostly because of ubercarry.
A hot take that I have might be not acceptable at all, but here we are I guess... True forms lil' cats stages should not have conditions and I will explain why The first problem is the lack of good units that actually can counter most of the enemies from the stages. For example, the lil mowhak stage has a freaking Professor A. with a bear in the background while you are fighting the stupid lil mowhak that has a LOT of HP, I know that you can stack Minas and prisoners cats but that only feels eternal. Eraser has too much damage, too much hp and the range is obnoxiously sh*t, yeah sure, it's a challenge but no WAY that level doesn't feel unfair. My last example needs to be Lil axe, is extremely unfair fighting a cat that is useless when you gain his TF and also that has a constant attack that has a chance of freezing, not even that you also will struggle with a freaking Sunfish, everything under the rule of CONDITIONS
I agree with the little dark problem cuz that's when I got freeze immunity on my dancer little cats stupid professor a is very dumb because the best unit to counter it is in January that means if you don't have prisoner you're just screwed no you can do is stacked up Mina then again courrier might have power crap that part of the game to and little eraser can be easily taken care of by vendor cat because my friend just use a level 18 vendor and it survived the hit against little eraser and knocked it back and just use a lot of meat shield and bahamut and wolf and mega cat does actually surprisingly good in that stage and dancer
Their restriction makes sense because Li'l Cats are originally made for Star 4 stages. While their stages are hard on release date, nowadays we have so many hard counter to each of them. 1. Cat God kills Li'l Mohawk and Li'l Eraser 2. I don't remember Li'l Dark as hard stage. But it does have tedious finishing phase 3. Li'l Macho Leg 4. Teacher Bear destroys Li'l Lion 5. Cyborg Cat talent should make Li'l Island much more tolerable 6. Jellyfish kills Li'l Flying and Li'l Dragon 7. Li'l Jam is murdered by Dancer Cat
Yeah, you're right, that restriction may be not a problem in Li'l Gross and Li'l Cow, but it does on stages like Li'l Titan, Li'l Axe and Li'l Lizard, cause we are limited to EX/Rare units (which is that restriction). They at least should let us use Legend Rare units on a future update, or by default, eliminate that restriction. Li'l Jam has 90% chance of do wave which is too much, cause the only 4* wave blocker is Supercat, and the unit's range is low. Li'l Eraser, like you said, has too much range, HP, and it's painfully hard, cause the only units can outrange Li'l Eraser are Mina, Bahamut (Evo), Li'l Nyandam, Ururun, Urs and Musashi. At least they should nerf that enemy's range, like having the same range of the unit version, to balnce it.
slow beam is the best overall cannon because it affects the whole field and obviously lasts longer than the freeze cannon and while the freeze cannon can stop enemies from attacking you can just use slow beam before the enemies get to you
General tanking ubers are much stronger than they're given credit for. It took me a while to warm up to using them, but Hades, Kai, and Garu all provide incredible defense in a ton of stages (especially Hades, he's borderline top tier when talented). Catman is not that great anymore. His only realistic endgame use is against m.ost, and even then, luza now exists and is debatably as good against m.ost. Vigler's combo alone makes him top tier.
I can agree with the tanker and the catman thing because he is less and less viable throughout the game but catman's extremely strong throughout the early to mid game he was my only anti Angel Uber for a ridiculously long time that wasn't like an ultra Soul I heard you as an extremely strong generalist but somehow I did not use him that much outside of angels he still it's incredibly hard though and that's for the vigler thing he's an extremely strong unit requires 200np to get and that's just overly expensive considering the units just fine at level one or just true formed because of the combo and I don't have the NP to get him up like that
@@gabs1400 The main one is defense buff, giving him +135k hp at level 50 (810k total). Weaken relic with curse immune is also pretty good, but defense buff is the main one
idk if this is a hot take but does anyone feel that after a little into UL the stages just get annoying. I'm a bc veteran and the UL stages just never hit the same as any chapter or story of legends. Zero legends really bring it back for me as the wackiness of the stage design make for fun an interesting team line ups. But the UL stages near mid or late into the story have almost no interest in player creativity. I would look at the enemy line up and see a strong front liner, strong mid ranger, and strong sniper enemy and be confused on what type of cat I need to use in order to survive any range in the battle. Many times you look up the answer and have to strictly stick to a guide because most line ups are null. I didn't have fun playing UL stages even when testing different line ups because if you didn't hit the exact sweet spot you'd just slowly watch yourself lose. I hate that I have to grind 4 stars for it. On that note another take is that Idi shouldn't be locked behind 4 stars. I know its a major reward for getting 4 stars in an entire story but for a unit that is heavily relied on in many stages or make some stages less of a endurance test. Having it locked behind such a grind fest is bad design. I only want to grind 4 star UL because I can already feel the true form for Idi being locked behind that. Maybe not as we see with Filibuster, could be a special chapter. I'm not sure what you could give the player for finishing such an achievement but it sucks for anyone who grinded out Story of Legends just to get to UL and see many relic stages being done with Idi. Then having to look back at the story they just finished just to go redo it all 3 more times.
4 stars conditions are trash and also feels incomplete, like... Ponos actually thought that is a good idea of creating conditions that doesn't benefit the player? Not even that but it SUCKS that the enemies get buffed in 4 stars difficulty, doing the levels even more annoying. Levels with conditions < normal levels
I can definitely agree with uncanny Legends being very uninteresting cuz there's a severe lack of iconic levels like Star Ocean torture room The Great escape deadfalls Pitfall zone Western night Topaz desert last labyrinth haunted genome no return flights saucy scandals the haunted 1ldk Twilight zephyr unkept promises 50 degrees hotter hungry Forest I believe the sage of called Sunday morning Rush lord of the abyss heavenly creatures learning to love multiversal studios procrastinators parade heaven's Oasis apocalypse Temple valley of the end soap scum The spy who pet me merciless onslaught knights of the round mysterious order I remember pretty much all of these stages and a lot more but this, it's getting very very bloated by now
@@THATsplatvin The reason condition exist because it's a CHALLENGE, why should it benefit the players? In 4 stars, you can't just Ubercarry and have to actually go outside the comfort zone and use cats that you won't use otherwise. And no, only the early SOL stages get buffed in 4 stars, the late SOL stages and UL don't get buffed. Levels with condition > Normal levels because it encourages different strategy so you can't just brainlessly use the same unit to win.
100% agree with the opinion bias because Xskull said Kasli's chibi form was terrible and not worth using but imo she is op when used correctly and protected by meatshields I use Kasli's first form in almost all of my lineups
Imo it's less about Chibi Kasli is unusable/useless but more about Adult Kasli is just that overpowered. On many cases, people tend to pick Adult Mode over her Chibi Mode. But certainly, she can be worked on if you want to.
@@Ben-vg6ox meatshields are the key bro you can just bring manic tank and metal cat if you have him plus her surges have knockback so she can push enemies out of her range so more meatshields can move in and protect her. Wouldn't recommend using her against surge immune aku enemies or high powered backliners.
1:57 ngl I use Atlantis Logistics for its combo more than actually deploying it Also 18:36 It's like if on a test 10 people score 95, 10 people score 100, and one person scores 85, sure, you can say that that person scoring 85 isn't "bad" because he's still got 85, but I would disagree
Chunchun haunters is a very good unit. He is essentially a second ururun wolf, and shuts down heavy aku and angel pushes, and has sniping potential. People really took his ranking in a xskull video as facts. Also the first form is kinda bad, but you can set up a stepping stone and somewhat use it, but it's very niche. Second form OP, and will hopefully get some major improvements in true form like some of the other ultra souls. easy A- teir.
I do genuinely agree, she was my first uber in my current save, and has been surprisingly reliable. her curse may be a little useless, but it ignores how she's one of the few CC aku choices, and does pack a decent punch. I guess it's just a classic case of Jizo overshadowing her.
"He is essentially a second ururun wolf" Being a generic ranger with low range, mediocore damage and suiciadal speed isn't very valuable, especially when there aren't any shortage when it comes to generalist backliners that can do the same job as him "shuts down heavy aku and angel pushes" KB enemies create risk for your cats to miss their attacks, reposition the enemies and push your cats into backliner's attack. Beside, Sanzo can stop the angel pushers more effectively then him anyways. As for Aku, most of them utilise shield to counter and the shieldless one like Aku gory have very fast speed so pushing them back don't really matter that much when you can control them with damage.
It's agreed upon that he is extremely powerful pusher unit. It's their strongest, but also their weakest point. Many end-game Angel stages are designed to punish KB usage which makes unit like SHITakiri loses theirs momentum.
Haunters is garbage lol His damage is much worse than ururun and he has 50 less range so he’s not even close to a good generalist Angel backliners and mixed trait stages absolutely delete him Aku shields make him useless There’s so many problems with him
gao is the worst uber to pull, because every time he crits you're reminded that you didnt get an uber (his crit chance is the same as a normal uber pull, 5%)
Balrog is definitely the best Uber in the game, excels in most stages and yes I said most, unless the stage is cc heavy or metal it's good, yes even if there's a bunch of peons, balrog killing those peons can be useful for example in UL where killing those peons is very valuable, using balrog to kill a relic squirrel is very valuable
Rip I didn't get to the thumbnail :( But at least I got into the video lol (8:01) Regarding to what you said, it's true that some True Forms need WAY TOO MANY B. Stones and I will not defend that flaw because I completely agree with it (for example, I still do not have Luza and Hitman (although Hitman is because I don't want to beat Empress Excavation 4)). However, I still think people are overhating Behemoth, it's not that bad in my opinion. However, if you want to disagree with me, go ahead (without insulting if it's possible)
1. I agree people who cry about trying to get b stones just need to be patient 2. Behemoth as a sub-trait is objectively bad. B-slayer+massive damage is incredibly boring and all it does is make the game less balanced and gives less options in making lineups. Once the novelty of “omg unit stats so big” wears off its just objectively terribly designed. But let’s be honest-ponos will do what ponos will do. We can’t change that, so there’s no point in crying about it
@@tacotown4598 It is good that they can be found consistently and they are easy to get, its just they take a while due to the guaranteed stage being one of those discovery maps.
Wish RUclips had pushed the community post to me. I left a comment on the first episode of this- as per the suggestion in that video- but hadn't seen the post
I think Ponos should nerf all the fest exclusives but give them true forms. This way, their abilities scale better with game difficulty. Maybe even having true forms locked behind sol with epic fruit seeds would be better
please read this... Dark iz is so, so, SO underrated. i might be a little bit biased because she was my second uber, but I'm serious. At level 30, she has 76500 health and 17340 damage at level 30, which SOUNDS low, but with her massive damage to traitless multiplying that by 3, she has 52020 damage against traitless, and with her 150% strengthen, it's 78030, or 54K DPS. That is a HECK LOT. The 100% chance barrier breaker, 100% shield piercer, zkill, and immunity to LITERALLY EVERY DEBUFF IN THE GAME doesn't hurt either. Overall, i think she is completely underrated, mostly because of darktanyan.
Vigler inst totally a combo slave,it got pretty good damage making him a viable option to maniac fish,lil island and crazed fish and his level 3 wave makes him frezze very easy the enemys and it can pretty much carry eoc3, itf1 and itf2
I have a few i feel tyrant is overhated as when he does debuff it does impact the battle. Pizza cat is a better anti black cat unit than first form jizo because she is a super rare and it’s easier to get +levels for pizza and she has access to some pretty good talents which jizo hasn’t gotten yet
As a person who doesn't own legend rare I cannot comment on that but it's pretty much universally agreed that pizzas better against black then kasa jizo Pizza has more overall worth the stats in terms of cost especially with costs down and wave attack
Those debuffs of Tyrant aren't consistant or long enough to actually be worth relying on. Talented Cyberpunk outclass him in the debuff department with Cyber's 100% slow, 50% uptime and stackability. Tyrant's only edge over Cyber are damage and surviability which aren't impactful enough to make him preferable over Cyberpunk.
Oh my I'm late to this. Anyway, my hot take is: Madoka is an incredibly underrated Uber. After testing her in a bunch of Floating stages, I can conclude she basically was a secondary, slightly weaker Aphrodite. The reason she's so put aside is because she's overshadowed by the latter. However in mixed stages, with Alien and Floating being a main one, she proved herself to be a very good assist to Aphrodite, almost like a second one. Of course, the Valentines Aphrodite - I forgot the name - works as a secondary as well, but if you do actually need an Anti-Floating backliner, Madoka is definitely a top pick if you have her.
not a hot take (I think) but... abt C.Gross... you COULD just cheese it with A.Baha- (same thing for Li'l Legs, and MAYBE a lv 40 A.Baha for MANIC Legs)
Ngl for me the crazed cat stages all felt the same. I found all except the crazed cat (because it was the first on I beat) to be no harder than catfruit insane stages.
Im glad to be the guy that wrote something way too long and caused 'too long, didn't read' to become a valid criticism Anyways yeah CotC has too many aliens when it could have had more variety compared to just blue guys, that causes anti alien units to be used most of the time, leaving out other ones in the process.
4:23 it doesn’t matter that they’re rare, what matters is that what they actually does sucks. The difference between lvl 50 and 60 is pretty small all things considered. With how rare dark catseyes are, they kinda just don’t do anything for the game at all.
They give access to ultra talents. While the ultra talents so far have been pretty underwhelming, it does give the opportunity for bad units to redeem themselves.
Ima just say it now, iz the dancer of grief is pretty trash. They're mid frontliner-mid ranger with faster move speed and below average hp. Meaning unless your using the 2 manic meatsheild strat it's pretty much dead. The dps before the strengthen is also bad might I add, as some viable options that you could use it against is Mr mur or r.ost. sure they have things like shield piercing which has a low appearance, they fall off with other shield Pierce unit's such as talented divine Kai, who can tank a hit from either fallen bear or the elephant (I forgot the name). And with barrier breaker you already have any elemental pixie, or outshined by kitty of liberty. Their zombie killer sucks too, too low dmg, and in mid-late game the zombies are really heavily boosted into their dmg. And things like knock back immune is bad, having only 2 knock backs gives them no real chance to reposition especially with again, that below average HP. Other things that don't really matter are things like surge immune. With a good anti surge is talented gato amigo (I'm not sure if cactus has surge immune as I don't own them), any other meat shield other then amigo or metal macho are gonna die. But even so, they have significantly less move speed vs iz. Warp immune is gonna shred them as a single boosted starred peng in the relic cyclone last stage is gonna 1 shot them, even at lvl 30. Low dmg, bad health, no real usage vs any other trait, and fast move speed. They seem good at first glance, but you could settle for things that do other massive damage vs trait less like doron. (At least they outshine myrica)
TLDR: A detail comment that fight back against the claim that Dark Iz is bad. Read them if you have the free time. "They're mid frontliner-mid ranger with faster move speed and below average hp. Meaning unless your using the 2 manic meatsheild strat it's pretty much dead." Her HP is no where "below average": 76K HP with 300 range and 53s is considerably tanky, it's comparable to Balrog. She's not as frail as you make her out to be unless you using stuff such as D'arktanyan "sure they have things like shield piercing which has a low appearance, they fall off with other shield Pierce unit's such as talented divine Kai, who can tank a hit from either fallen bear or the elephant (I forgot the name)." She is far better than Kai as a shield piercer. Her piercing range allow her to snipe fallen bear and utilise the peons as stepping stone, her rapid attacks allow her to juggle enemies such as Midnite.D, her HP is still enough to tank a hit from Le.Behemoth (not a behemoth) and ackey, her immunities allow her to roam free in most aku stages (especially in The Aku Realm). Claiming that she "fall off" is straight up wrong when she is one of the best anti aku to have. "Their zombie killer sucks too, too low dmg, and in mid-late game the zombies are really heavily boosted into their dmg." Her damage is still usable with 10K strengthen damage. Consider the fact that most zombies have low range and their stage usually don't give a lot of cash, Iz can definately perform well in pure and especially mixed stage. Remember that you can also boost her too, it's not like she's gonna instantly die when she meets a zombie "And things like knock back immune is bad, having only 2 knock backs gives them no real chance to reposition especially with again, that below average HP." Her KB immune allows her to counter Mr.Mole properly, and again her HP is not below average. Name me a midranger with better HP in her range class. "Other things that don't really matter are things like surge immune. With a good anti surge is talented gato amigo (I'm not sure if cactus has surge immune as I don't own them), any other meat shield other then amigo or metal macho are gonna die. But even so, they have significantly less move speed vs iz." You know you also need some sort of attacker in surge stage right? And again, movement speed isn't that much of an issue when you can just time her properly. She can be an invaluable aspect against surge users like Kappy, Uril, Jagando, Medu-san,... "Warp immune is gonna shred them as a single boosted starred peng in the relic cyclone last stage is gonna 1 shot them, even at lvl 30." Weird complaint consider the fact that you aren't suppose to fight them directly, you use Relic Cyclone as a stepping stone and bully those pengs with LD and wave attackers. In normal battle, you can use cat like Seafarer, Catellite or Chill to support her while she endure the warps from the alien backliners. "Low dmg, bad health, no real usage vs any other trait, and fast move speed." Her damage is decent with strengthen, her HP is good, an excellent anti aku, a good rusher toward other traits and incredibly versatile with her wide immunities, fast movement speed is a plus for a rusher. "you could settle for things that do other massive damage vs trait less like doron" Doron doesn't target traitless in the first place, you seriously can't think of an anti traitless? 💀 "At least they outshine myrica" Everything outshine Myrcia
I do appreciate this comment actually, I did probably get for on wrong, but it was gladios which I meant. But even as a late game player, with my only other anti trait less as myrica, I'd prefer things that don't even specialize with that. Like empress/princess, or ritual saint. With decent damage as ritual saint has them stand in the surge, where empress is a LD unit without a blind spot. Still, with aku having high damage/dps. It's not ideal. Plus, these are level 30 stats I'm talking about. You might be too idk. And I haven't ran into things like midnite d, I just use kai or lmg (lil macho legs) for my shield piercing. Maybe I under use iz, but I'm gonna stick by my hot take, and use others like kasli, empress, or other specials like awakened ururun, Yuki, or awakened mina
Oh actually, I think bellydancer is better for the stronger aku enemies rather than weaker ones, as she has more potential to live than cactus does, at least, that's what I think. I guess consistency is a big thing for a lot of people, but I really just prefer the absurdness that is dodge.
bellydancer is so weird for me, because like. in aku realms i swear her dodge was activating SO OFTEN that most stages were just nothing, but in ul and event stages with akus she doesnt seem to dodge at all. maybe my opinion just changed once i got cactus?? idk
I disagree with the cameraman as the best rare, ramen easily outclassess it by virtue having more uses, yes cameraman is a very stackable bum bun slayer. But she still has plenty of weaknesses. Firstly she basically has melee range, for a stackable attacker, this is a pretty heavy disadvantage since unless the enemy you are stacking against high knockback counts or simply low health, the stack can fall pretty quickly. Another issue is how hard a time cameraman can have getting a hit in, with slow movement speed and sluggish attack startup, cameraman can easily suffer a bahamut moment and get repeatedly knockbacked why trying to get an attack in. Lastly, courier has replaced cameraman as the stackable midranger. Ramen's strengths come from being a beast in terms of stats as a generalists and being an impenetrable wall against angels(even against new angel enemies ramen remains the number one answer to dealing with them)
I personally have 2 hot takes 1. Legend Rares are too rare, and some of them aren't even as good as uber rares (Enter Legoluga), I've played this game for about 4 years F2P and still don't have a single legend rare, i think inventing a pity system would be nice, like every 300 rolls you are guaranteed a legend rare, or make a ticket that can ONLY GIVE LEGEND RARES (Looking at you Legend ticket) 2. One of the best Dragon Emperor's in my opinion is Ganglion, i don't see much appreciation for him. People give him shit because he is kind of a rusher, but i personally think that works for him in a lot of stages that you would usually use him in.
1. the average is a lot lower overall-as a tracker I can say I usually get them every 100-200 draws. and secondly, any time you would get a legend rare is consistent across all banners-any draw that gives you a legend rare will give you one on any banner that has one. so, if you really want one just dump on a banner with lr's and you should get one. 2. no one questions that ganglion is then #2 demp. however, that isn't really saying much considering how bad the banner is. also, ganglion has mediocre damage for a rusher, bad dps for a unit of his range, and very long foreswing and cooldown for a rusher.
hmm mine didn't make it in. I'll post some here then. Ganesha > Amaterasu, 3* SoL is boring and unnecesary, Lasvoss landing a strenghten savage blow is more satisfying than chadbear doing a zkill, Gravi is a better generalist than CitC, MTD isn't that hard anymore nowadays, Revenge of the dreamer can actually be pretty difficult (2 desynced elder sloths is hell)
1. These units have a lot of differences so they’re hard to compare directly, however, amaterasu is just generally higher in her class as a general traited nuker. There are plenty of ld generalists that are better then ganesha. 2. Gravi and Citc both suck as generalists so it doesn’t really matter 3. I’m pretty sure jizo solos that stage lmao
@@tacotown4598 Ganesha is the best non fest imo, 9k dps over a really wide AoE is busted. He also has plenty of knockbacks to keep him alive. 2 yeah probably 3 the problem is if the elder sloths are desynced they will push because of their guaranteed knockback effect
@@Manic_Titan 1. 9k dps is the standard for top tier generalists. amaterasu has much higher standing range and has 14k dps with zombie killer. 3. have you even played the stage? and if you have, what was your strategy.
@@tacotown4598 I have played the stage lol. I killed the bakoo's easily but the elder sloths kept desyncing and pushing to my base. Also, you're forgetting that ganesha has LD. Ganehsa has a very wide range, whilst amaterasu has no piercing range, which really hurts her. 14k dps is nothing to scoff at, but if she gets cursed it becomes a mere 3-4k dps
1. I have both of those units. No 2. Is this even a hot take? Anyways, hella YES 3. I think both are equally satisfying 4. Than what? 5. What stage? 6. True, I had to level up my kasa jizo to beat that single stage 7. Oh wait there's no seventh hot take lol
Hot take i'm sure traitless might be the most power crept trait in terms of no Uber like I mean they're stuff like Hitman Lord of ruin jr n001 glass vendor that destroy the entire trait edit this was a horrible take I was like barely awake when I made it I have a new take dark Joe is the single worst enemy introduced with the behemoths his abilities don't seem that bad it's only just a 5% chance to toxic which is stupid but since I got naala's true form all he ever seems to do with toxic him why does an enemy properly with insane range with over two million health 20K damage that attacks rapidly need a 5% chance to toxic they introduced so many behemoth The aren't bad in their initial update that just became god awful later on like pterowl not that bad at first but then they released stages that make him god awful to fight like birth of true man infernal crater area 10
Here's the thing, all of those units can only be obtained in late game when traitless are rampant in early/mid game. Claiming traitless are THE MOST powercreeped is wrong when you consider the fact that red, floating, black and wave exist and are getting bullied by the rare and super rare we have.
@@Only4two100bucks yeah I guess you're right about them being very late in the game but n001 is obtained in early mid i honestly have a harder time with black enemies and red and floating then white enemies
absolutely incorrect lmao. hitman is cool, but he can't even come close to holding a candle to something like pizza or courier or ramen vs their traits
Another hot take, taking a units rarity and evolution cost into perspective when talking about a units strength is a very weak argument. If the strongest unit came out but it took 5 gold catfruits are you gonna argue that those 5 gold catfruits doesn't make it the strongest??? It's just a weak point.
Um actually Haniwa's speed is a advantage because you can stack them easier sure Henry and Croaky exist but in stages like Wrath of Carnage ot helped stalling R.Ost and not getting them killed by Hannya to the point I could use it as a solo meatshield.
@@tacotown4598 if a large group of people gets to decide its usually a pretty representative outcome. Like people from all phases of the game get to decide, so there's definitely diversity
@@jess293 diverse opinions does not equal good opinions. and that's absolutely not correct. most battle cats players are early midgame and uneducated. their opinions are usually pretty bad and pretty much just whatever xskull or chillholla or silumantomcat says. they don't formulate or make their own opinions, and if they do, it's usually just "omg kai good cuz big dmg number and big hp number". the fact is the vast majority of the BC community sucks at the game, and will likely make even worse takes then xskull himself
@@tacotown4598 Here's the thing: Those youtubers actually CONTRIBUTE to the discussion. They have played this game and interract with the community for YEARS, their video are well maded and promote discussion for the fandom. So of course the new players would have high regard for them and their opinions. On the opposite, you are a nobody, you don't actually join the discussion or create new one. The only thing you do is to call other players "uneducated" yet you do nothing to prove you're the educated one. The truth is that you're projecting hard and be a contrarian for the sake of it.
@@Only4two100bucks that’s a cool argument, but it’s entirely incorrect. Xskull and other RUclipsrs contribute to the discussion sure, but their contribution isn’t any more valuable because they’re a RUclipsr. I’ve been a part of this community for 2 years, and most of what I learned in my early days from xskull was completely incorrect. Furthermore, what these RUclipsrs do most of the time is not promote discussion, but endless parroting of their opinions with no actual understanding of the reasoning behind those opinions. And Xskull’s editing doesn’t make his opinions valid, neither does his popularity. Only his logic and process can do that. And let’s be honest, it’s not exactly sound. And a second thing. You don’t know me. You may disagree with me, but that’s no excuse to assume you know everything about me. You say I have nothing to prove I’m the educated one? I’ve been here for two years and have spent huge amounts of time here on RUclips arguing with people about this very thing. Hell the entire community made a Reddit post to cope because my opinions were too advanced for them to understand. But sure, if you want to you can call me a nobody, that’s fine. But it’s pathetic that you have to insult me personally and make empty grand gestures about the value of people that have no real weight to back them up.
your hot takes aren't hot at all. all of your ranking videos are bland and inoffensive. which is actually pretty good, because i despise most ranking youtubers.
The Dart face gets me everytime
Name checks out
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He does the enel face 😮
Gee I wonder why
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For being the second enemy introduced, Snache should get some more variants
all it got was a red, metal, and aku variant
and also ecto-snake
Znache too, should've gotten an alien variant where it becomes a multi-hitting hydra either as a peon or a full blown boss like what they did to croco
Gravicci is good anti-Zombie. While the long-ass foreswing is there, it becomes less concerning since he is assigned to most suitable typing: Zombie. Most of zombie is low range and tank, so Gravicci has easier time to land an attack. His Freeze ability is now guaranteed, you do not need to deal with RNG bullshit anymore. New Strong ability is another great additional. His attack is now lethal to them while providing him good survivability against sudden burrowing attack. He is no longer that annoying officer guy. His attack has much better reward than before.
However, the same thing can't be said to his anti-Relic typing. It's the opposite of Zombie. Most of them has big range or big piercing attack. If you try to use Gravicci on them face-to face, he will just get juggled. The key to use him properly on Relic enemy is to avoid direct confrontation. Find good stepping stone to active his Wave ATK and freeze his target. Gravicci is still fine anti-Relic, but he is not for every Relic stage
Freezing gravey is funny
Wait SilumanTomcat you watch the LordM? Huh.
@@Aidenlikesjazz the battle cats community isn't that large anyways
Gravicci is good in the right scenario, but I found that from using it as a generalist anti zombie that Gravicci is too inconsistent and finnicky. Half of the time he misses his attack because of their ridiculously long foreswing. Especially if you bring other strong attackers like cadaver, lil flying, etc.
@@Azmie11 sad truth... or perhaps most of them don't even communicate?
2:17 don’t forget that two slot M worker combo with courier. That combo is insane.
I have logistix and the unit isn’t so good by itself (might be a non tf problem) and gets kb wayyy to often, but the combo helped me in so many behemoth stages that are time based and money tight
I have logistix and I think it’s pretty good, it’s just very easy to get murked in mixed stages, but pure zombie stages? Perfect
Kitty of Liberty is a really overlooked cat. I like her usage in Starred Alien stages (CotC) despite not being anti-alien she can still dish out a lot of damage. I kinda compare her usage like how Shield Piercers are used in Aku levels, and I could even argue that KoL could be a decent overall generalist.
Agree. KoL is like a dragon cat with lower range and surviability in exchange for higher damage output, cheaper cost and recharge. Definately underrated.
I am so glad that liberties usage is going up cuz I use them quite often and my friend has them in their general lineup and uses them everywhere they're surprisingly an excellent counter towards
R Ost thanks for them being cheap with extremely high damage and having more than enough range hit them sometimes you can get more than one ungodly tanki Like dancer they perform amazingly throughout the entire game once you get their true form
Agreed. During the underground labyrinth, I just plopped Kitty of Liberty in as trap fodder. Then he proceeded to carry me until he inevitably got trapped. My views on Kitty of Liberty definitely changed.
4 Stars restriction (Rare & Special only) is actually fun, and the N-1 Grand Prix restriction (Normal & Uber/Legend only) is the worst restriction in the entire game even though i play with ubers.
2:55 I want to clarify too, heariny my comment read out loud, that I love seeing underdog units shine where you least expect them to. Labyrinth is an example I’d point at, I just get a lot of joy from seeing random units excel/reveal strengths that might go underappreciated.
Lineup creativity doesn’t change how actually viable units are. And with how busted endgame content only the best of the best are useful.
Tldr: keep malding that your favorite units suck
@@tacotown4598 You're the type of person who makes battle cat's less appealing to me. Of course endgame requires proper units that can handle the ridiculous tasks it throws out, but my point was completely dismissing units period because they dont stack up to other units. I'm not begging for these bad units to get better, I just like playing the game and seeing a random unit shine, even for a brief moment.
Also my favorite unit's are the Titan Family, and I know better than to bring their asses to most stages, but its about making unorthadox strats work that can make the game more fun, but go ahead, demand us to have courier in every lineup. That sure is fun.
At the end of the day, it's just fun to discuss this game and some units that have even an iota of potential, and I'm gonna continue doing that.
@@BrimBlam you can play the game however you want. But complaining because the rest of the community doesn’t share your enjoyment of random units isn’t a problem of the community, it’s a problem with you.
When have I ever said anything about bringing courier to every lineup????
Once again, I have no problem with you enjoying the game and playing the way you want. No one has ever had a problem with that. But I don’t want to go on a rant praising every mediocre unit that helped you in one easy stage, and I don’t think anyone wants to hear that from you.
@@tacotown4598 Considering you said I was “malding” over units not being viable for late game, I guess I replied how I felt would explain myself better, and I genuinely just wanted to discuss battle cats. Your responses just makes me realize that I might have pushed my way of playing a bit too much. I’m not asking people to enjoy the game the way I do, I just think it lessen’s the fun you can have and wanted to share my perspective on the game.
I’ll just leave it at this, genuinely wasnt trying to argue with someone or claim you should play the game how I do, I just shared how I dislike how the comminity has a habit of writing off even decent units because they arent S tier, and I genuinely apologize for any hostility I showed.
14:33 I have seen Inspector Gabriel miss so many times I'm pretty sure he's missed more attacks than he landed, although that combo is insanely good so I bring him anyways
I will always say this about dark kasli, her curse is amazing. Most curse units suck because they are specialized for their specific trait, which doesn't help very often, only in very specific scenarios. Dark Kalsi on the other hand can curse everything and makes almost every annoying enemy with abilites useless, enemies like saint pigge, henry, gobble, zrollow, m'ost etc... There is no doubt she is the best uber as with her curse uncanny legends becomes a joke with every relic enemy no longer cursing and just becoming tanky peons. With her curse she even makes mitama meta in uncanny cause you no longer have to worry about her losing her abilities.
About the cotc hot take, aguham is pure torture in all 3 chapters, and chapter 2 forced ponos to give lil macho legs barrier breaker because very few people used loincloth cat, the only other barrier breaker you could use in aguham until lmm gained barrier breaker
aguham is the one reason why it took me so long to get all cotc tresures
Red Rectangle was my nightmare stage when doing the chapters. Such a massive pain with that restriction.
@@Surkk2960 wait until aguham, especially in chapter 3
oh yeah... aguham SUCKS. well, yeah, you can use bahamut to break the barrier, but it's annoying. that's why i used lml
-Regarding the Gravicci question, I've tried him and yea he's kind of strange to use, but is useful in the places he works. His cat combo with riceball is a good alternative for the "bio-bone" combo if you need the slots.
-I understand why Kai can be considered bad due to that massive fore-swing, but she does have shield pierce and deals a lot of damage when it does hit. Also the recent Aku Defense orb S makes her job easier.
-I agree Yamii still is bad at his anti-Aku job, but thankfully its now one of the best wave blockers in the game.
-Please give more respect to Mizli... especially the fact that super talents may give the funni blue bnuuy a new niche at some point (hopefully metal related).
as a Gravicci owner, yeah, he's very awkward to use, no matter the form, all due to that 3 seconds foreswing, making him miss both his freeze, and his wave, incredibly often, so if you do even need to use this hot piece of ass (can be taken two ways), be mindful about that, also Vigler = Lucifer, no further questions, just two hot demons.
As for the Merc thing, yes, that is true, Merc can be extremely helpful early on, like in Aguham of CotC 1, if you're lucky, she can help sweep the metals and make it flow MUCH smoother!
5:50 Yoooo! I'm in! I can't believe it. Thank you so much for allowing my strategy to be in one of the hot take videos.
I approve Muu
its not really a hot take, but I definitely agree that Pandora is very effective at stalling, that is what it's made for really
Vigler is actually viable in mid game stages like mysterious order 1-2-3 🌟, cotc and other stages
Hey Mark, I sadly can't comment in community posts thanks to my device, but I hope that you can at least see 1 of these hot takes:
Continuing from the Atlantis Logistix hot take, it has one of the BEST combos in this game, with Courier, this combo carries H A R D in zombie and regular stages, its a great way to start early game regularly, and a greater way to salvage money in zombie stages.
Shitakiri Sparrow(Chunchun Hunters) is actually underrated, he sucks against aku, but he bullies Exiel, this was before I even got Kintaro, Chunchun's health is pretty nice and his kb helps to give your other units some breathing room, keep in mind everything here is based on the Exiel experience, I don't use him normally in angel stages since Kintaro and Sarukani already shred, but he does exceptionally well against Exiel.
Yellow Stone Volcano in Hunter's Map 3 is pure evil, you have to face the behemoth Owl, who is actually horrifying, and after all that pain, you only get ONE Yellow Stone, another reason why I'm not looking toward to getting Hitman and Luza.
Akane Tendo, from the Ranma 1/2 collaboration is much better than Mousse, I do NOT care if Mousse has Aphrodite's pierce or whatever, curse works horribly against zombies and you will most likely want to freeze, slow, or nuke aliens than curse them.
Himeyuri is so forgotten yet she is probably the only anti-angel that outranges Winged Pigge that doesn't have LD, I used her for that alot before I even got Kintaro, I don't use her for that anymore and I only use her against relics now.
The entirety of the Aku trait is slowly getting nerfed, as more Akuber true forms come, the trait is slowly getting weaker, take Rangmaster for an example, he was the most monstrous aku enemy, and all it took was for a 10 year old boy just to gain a small bit of color on his cape and a funny looking hat just to throw Rangmaster in the pushover territory.
I don't think you will actually see this, but if you do, it would be greatly appreciated.
Hello, here a Himeyuri owner
You are goddamn right Himeyuri and her humongous range. Himeyuri's problem are mix stages (like most units weaknesses). Other thing is that she works AWESOME against bunbuns, yeah, I know about the existence of other good ubers antifloating, but Himeyuri shines in her own way.
I don't own many collab Ubers
But I'm pretty sure I own the worst one from Merc storia and I own two pretty solid ones from faith I don't have are the monster gal you're talking about so I cannot talk about her much aku is not really really releasing too much scary stuff all kids are still relatively tough the counter with no Ubers
i also feel like jizo's mega castle is omega forgotten because it can also outrange basically every angel enemy and it does some big boy damage
What would be interesting is for a future video similar to this, is to ask people to add there UR/ best achievement in the game, just to be able to grasp people’s opinions. People halfway thru SoL will have greatly different opinions on “the best boss battle” compared to someone in ZL/starred UL. Great video btw, keep up the good work!
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Writing off units is something I've been guilty of before, just keep in mind that just because a unit is outclassed doesn't mean it's bad. The worst thing I've done is (while seed tracking) chose sweet love mekako over sweet aphrodite because I heard that it's worse than radiant aphrodite. It is, but mekako is worse in general
that's not undeserved writing off of units, that's just bad decision making period lmao
Eggy cat is the hottest battle cats character that is my hot take
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Yeah, I have Yaminoir and both first and second form are trash
But! The third form actually give him a good purpose now, he's now a tanker with a wave block ability that helps A LOT against Aku face. Yeah, he does not have the shield breaker ability but, now is more useful
Instead of giving him like shield piercer something basic like that they just gave him wave blocker and that probably just made him better overall than being a half decent anti aku Uber
People should treat Multi-hit as 2/3 different attack on the same unit or even enemy. I do understand the dps divide thing but again, it's just a different attack which the unit perform that might hit again or not. Take Nalaa as an example. He have 3 part multi-hit that is just connected to each other and will almost never attack an enemy 2 times. What makes him good is that he attack different area at slighty different time and each attack area have its own dps (I don't own Nalaa I can't say more than that though...). Or a multi-hit unit that relies everything on third hit like Crazed Moneko or Jagando which their ability is on third hit, it only means that they can protect themself from enemy while preparing for the real attack. Better than those unit with long forswing and can't protect itself while doing the animation.
Unfortunately, I missed participating in this one, but it is still fun to see everyone else's input at the end of the day. Here's some of my hot takes anyways:
- Eraser Cat is overrated. Too hard and inconsistent to to level fast enough to scale with the rest of your units nowadays, and replaceable by other meatshields (Riceball, Jiangshi, Li'l Eraser).
- Luza's True Form is low priority. In the current scope of BC, all of the endgame stages where you would potentially use Luza are easily beatable without him, with cheaper options such as Awakened Naala for general purpose replacement, and Doron + Idi for M. Ost. Save your stones for Supercar and Hitman.
- Hades is extremely strong (S tier or A+ if you tier list doesn't use SSS tier). He doesn't "break" any stages before endgame, but his power is strong enough to easily work on most tanking stages and make a difference between you losing and winning. In endgame however, he scales incredibly well due to HP talents and boosting to 50, as well the fact that specialized tanking becomes more niche in favor of Hades' massive generalist tanking capabilities.
I can definitely agree that eraser has fallen off a lot because with all the power creep in the game now are you going to punish so far to the point that you're going to have like a level 27 or 31 tank cat when you reach uncanny Legends Luza‘s for me is going to be a very high priority cuz I'm just going to get him and then get every other it's going to be painful but for me that's probably the easiest method of getting all the legends I can agree with Haiti since I just got him but I need to leveling him up since I just started the aku part of uncanny Legends I assume this is where his power spike is anyways I love the content I've been watching you since the underrated units video like first came out
1. ok. I'm not even going to respond to that
2. just get all of them
3. there are no tanking stages endgame. hades b tier.
6:30 THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM; on Sunday when I went to one of my friends house they showed me their ubers and said their Gladios was bad because of Xskull's ranking even though one of the stages they were stuck on Crazed Cat would be easier
That's mean your friend is the problem, he failed to understand what make a unit good or bad and didn't know how to think outside the box and use other options.
@@Only4two100bucks yeah. and xskull contributes to that problem.
I think 9:32 has some other things to add on, the treasures make it easier but not cheap and still makes the finales of each chapter in cotc plus cat god is cool but dumb that he is repeated 3 times and after you beat the 3rd chapter of cotc and possibly the final chapter of story mode only for filibuster obstructa to show up and have. The most unique of the story mode stages and defeating him gives you the unit and this concludes the game and while it goes on and meta filibuster being the true final boss of the game, cotc feels like the finale given it has a lot to offer and restrictions give it another mechanic the game teaches you about to prepare for 4 crown sol and ul
12:13 it's probably because most popular rushers are way faster and have no attack animation so they just instantly attack when rebounded and also because they are really close ranged
Mizli is underrated. Mizli’s push and slow actually work really well in cotc and general alien usage. Also she can tank lots of hits from most aliens.
I agree, sadly though, i have Bazibastra too so whenever i try to use her she just ends up making charmander miss
6:23 I used to be one of those people, but as time went on and I'd watch some of the ranking vids or showcase vids and see them talking down on x unit's stats or calling a unit outright bad or "outclassed" and began thinking, "no, I actually like this unit" or, "that stat is fine, what are you talking about."
I'm not sure what triggered this, likley in improved game sense after taking the game a bit more seriously iver the last year, but being able to formulate my own opinions on units based on my own usage instead of calling units I dont even own bad becuase someone else said so has massively improved my enjoyment of the game.
I do still use those videos to get an idea of what to expect out of a unit that I don't yet own, and I'm not saying I always disagree with their opinions, but I no longer take their rankings or opinions as fact nor do I stray away from using specific units due to what one of those videos said about them. I've also noticed that they tend to take very minor issues and act like it ruins the unit, which annoys me when that does happen (i.e. Vigler's backswing.).
I do not like using cameraman
yes, he is a good unit, but due to my burst damage/nuker focused playstyle, he doesn't looks that good in comparison to the rest. Due to his low range, he dies super easily, and while I really like using midrangers, he is too fragile to survive even the smallest push. The survive ability helps, sure, but it is not enough. He is also incapable of doing anything when alone, which makes him look really bad in cash starving situations (that I put myself into every single time because I don't know how to properly manage my money)
overall, I've only used him for very specific bosses, like li'l lion, and I never bring him in my lineups, prefering units like pizza, can can, courier, cutter, rocc, jello or bullet train. And if I need something that can be stacked, I always go with dragon and mina, since they have a lot more range
*she
@@tacotown4598 thank I keep forgetting she is a female xd
@@yetanotherperson1833 lol
Same
I agree with the statement about Labrynth. I have hella cats, but I would require amazing luck to even make a ton of progress.
Once you use something with an ability you need and fail, you just lost all those units for any future use. It sucks going through it to just lose even if you play flawlessly.
I have 297 units
Jiangshi is a top 5 gacha rare (because courier and other behemoth cats) dont kill me. Its perfect especially against high peon stages and backline bosses like nyandam variants and even le noir.. some say metal cat is great against those but I disagree due to how much wiggle room it has as a meatshield.
With stages with lots of spam and money it serves as a great option for a meatshield because it could handle anything.
I haven’t used kyubey and assuming the last time that collab appeared, I’ll probably never get it but it’s just kyubey without the rng hassle. Jiangshi is a great meatshield to use and is still relevant throughout UL which lands it in the top 5 gacha rares.
It also has tiny ancient hunt so thats a bonus
Talented Poseidon is one of the best almighties in the endgame. I find much more usage for him than amaterasu or chronos, being a nuke rusher with nearly 300k savage blow damage and rebound he can occasionally dish out rapid savage blows if a backliner is knocking him back, only flaw is foreswing.
foreswing is very bad. a solid unit, but nothing extremely special. essentially walmart d'arktanyan.
I think Another reason curse is overlooked is that it's a pretty uncommon ability.pretty much The only non uber or event cursers are boomerang, who is terrible, and masked grandmaster, who is annoying to get and doesn't even have curse as his main ability anyway
3:41 I think a lot of collab units are really underrated
16:10 although very niche, cactus is significantly better than bellydancer for me because i have lucifer. Using these two units can boost both lucifer's damage and cactus's health, making them a great combo. I agree that cactus has way too high of a cost to true form though, there's no way you're gonna get this guy before you beat aku realms.
Gonna be honest, unless we are talking 4 crown, B.W.Cat is a better option over bellydancer too. Works amazing with Cactus as well.
mid game is the funniest point of the game, there advents, sol, and many more.
I don’t like UL, after doron. It feels mundane and boring in my personal opinion, Luza is a great ending but overall that’s the only memorable stage i can think of aside from birth of true man and the rest of the stages of humanity catified after the doron stretch.
specialist > generalist
i still think primative souls 3 star is the hardest level, the otters is what do it for me.
I remember actually quite a bit of mid game yeah you might be right and I'm just entered post doron uncanny Legends it's pretty hyped to do hell's all stars and see aku finally in uncanny Legends and after all that I immediately lose to the big sal level this is the second time and uncanny Legends this is happened to me I'm starting to hate this enemy I agree with generalist vs specialist I think specialists our overall better than generalist
Cat God should be useable in legend stages (I suck at the game)
Well considering that stories of legends takes place before cat gods birth (The cats used a silly time machine to go back in time), It's understandable why you can't use him
Beat cats of the cosmos chapter 2 and you will unlock cat god
@@aruce9 he means like the cat
God help thing in eoc and itf not the pretty bad very situational unit
14:51 yeah I got luke from streetfighter to lvl 50 and I never use it. He's just a nice LQ and lab unit
Random hot take: sodom is a REALLY underrated uber that can deal with floating enemies amazingly well
hot take: All of the clionel stages combined are a ton easier than n-1 grand prix. I have major carry on both stages, but I have never been able to get WahWah below 50%, while I have done all clionel stages with relative ease. Also, I personally think Ogre Island is fun, but mostly because of ubercarry.
A hot take that I have might be not acceptable at all, but here we are I guess...
True forms lil' cats stages should not have conditions and I will explain why
The first problem is the lack of good units that actually can counter most of the enemies from the stages. For example, the lil mowhak stage has a freaking Professor A. with a bear in the background while you are fighting the stupid lil mowhak that has a LOT of HP, I know that you can stack Minas and prisoners cats but that only feels eternal.
Eraser has too much damage, too much hp and the range is obnoxiously sh*t, yeah sure, it's a challenge but no WAY that level doesn't feel unfair.
My last example needs to be Lil axe, is extremely unfair fighting a cat that is useless when you gain his TF and also that has a constant attack that has a chance of freezing, not even that you also will struggle with a freaking Sunfish, everything under the rule of CONDITIONS
I agree with the little dark problem cuz that's when I got freeze immunity on my dancer little cats stupid professor a is very dumb because the best unit to counter it is in January that means if you don't have prisoner you're just screwed no you can do is stacked up Mina then again courrier might have power crap that part of the game to and little eraser can be easily taken care of by vendor cat because my friend just use a level 18 vendor and it survived the hit against little eraser and knocked it back and just use a lot of meat shield and bahamut and wolf and mega cat does actually surprisingly good in that stage and dancer
Their restriction makes sense because Li'l Cats are originally made for Star 4 stages.
While their stages are hard on release date, nowadays we have so many hard counter to each of them.
1. Cat God kills Li'l Mohawk and Li'l Eraser
2. I don't remember Li'l Dark as hard stage. But it does have tedious finishing phase
3. Li'l Macho Leg
4. Teacher Bear destroys Li'l Lion
5. Cyborg Cat talent should make Li'l Island much more tolerable
6. Jellyfish kills Li'l Flying and Li'l Dragon
7. Li'l Jam is murdered by Dancer Cat
Yeah, you're right, that restriction may be not a problem in Li'l Gross and Li'l Cow, but it does on stages like Li'l Titan, Li'l Axe and Li'l Lizard, cause we are limited to EX/Rare units (which is that restriction). They at least should let us use Legend Rare units on a future update, or by default, eliminate that restriction.
Li'l Jam has 90% chance of do wave which is too much, cause the only 4* wave blocker is Supercat, and the unit's range is low.
Li'l Eraser, like you said, has too much range, HP, and it's painfully hard, cause the only units can outrange Li'l Eraser are Mina, Bahamut (Evo), Li'l Nyandam, Ururun, Urs and Musashi. At least they should nerf that enemy's range, like having the same range of the unit version, to balnce it.
slow beam is the best overall cannon because it affects the whole field and obviously lasts longer than the freeze cannon and while the freeze cannon can stop enemies from attacking you can just use slow beam before the enemies get to you
General tanking ubers are much stronger than they're given credit for. It took me a while to warm up to using them, but Hades, Kai, and Garu all provide incredible defense in a ton of stages (especially Hades, he's borderline top tier when talented).
Catman is not that great anymore. His only realistic endgame use is against m.ost, and even then, luza now exists and is debatably as good against m.ost.
Vigler's combo alone makes him top tier.
I can agree with the tanker and the catman thing because he is less and less viable throughout the game but catman's extremely strong throughout the early to mid game he was my only anti Angel Uber for a ridiculously long time that wasn't like an ultra Soul I heard you as an extremely strong generalist but somehow I did not use him that much outside of angels he still it's incredibly hard though and that's for the vigler thing he's an extremely strong unit requires 200np to get and that's just overly expensive considering the units just fine at level one or just true formed because of the combo and I don't have the NP to get him up like that
What talents should you get for Hades?
@@gabs1400 The main one is defense buff, giving him +135k hp at level 50 (810k total). Weaken relic with curse immune is also pretty good, but defense buff is the main one
@@sloth9567 alright, thanks
@@gabs1400 HP
idk if this is a hot take but does anyone feel that after a little into UL the stages just get annoying. I'm a bc veteran and the UL stages just never hit the same as any chapter or story of legends. Zero legends really bring it back for me as the wackiness of the stage design make for fun an interesting team line ups. But the UL stages near mid or late into the story have almost no interest in player creativity. I would look at the enemy line up and see a strong front liner, strong mid ranger, and strong sniper enemy and be confused on what type of cat I need to use in order to survive any range in the battle. Many times you look up the answer and have to strictly stick to a guide because most line ups are null. I didn't have fun playing UL stages even when testing different line ups because if you didn't hit the exact sweet spot you'd just slowly watch yourself lose. I hate that I have to grind 4 stars for it.
On that note another take is that Idi shouldn't be locked behind 4 stars. I know its a major reward for getting 4 stars in an entire story but for a unit that is heavily relied on in many stages or make some stages less of a endurance test. Having it locked behind such a grind fest is bad design. I only want to grind 4 star UL because I can already feel the true form for Idi being locked behind that. Maybe not as we see with Filibuster, could be a special chapter. I'm not sure what you could give the player for finishing such an achievement but it sucks for anyone who grinded out Story of Legends just to get to UL and see many relic stages being done with Idi. Then having to look back at the story they just finished just to go redo it all 3 more times.
4 stars conditions are trash and also feels incomplete, like... Ponos actually thought that is a good idea of creating conditions that doesn't benefit the player? Not even that but it SUCKS that the enemies get buffed in 4 stars difficulty, doing the levels even more annoying. Levels with conditions < normal levels
I can definitely agree with uncanny Legends being very uninteresting cuz there's a severe lack of iconic levels like Star Ocean torture room The Great escape deadfalls Pitfall zone Western night Topaz desert last labyrinth haunted genome no return flights saucy scandals the haunted 1ldk Twilight zephyr unkept promises 50 degrees hotter hungry Forest I believe the sage of called Sunday morning Rush lord of the abyss heavenly creatures learning to love multiversal studios procrastinators parade heaven's Oasis apocalypse Temple valley of the end soap scum The spy who pet me merciless onslaught knights of the round mysterious order I remember pretty much all of these stages and a lot more but this, it's getting very very bloated by now
@@THATsplatvin The reason condition exist because it's a CHALLENGE, why should it benefit the players? In 4 stars, you can't just Ubercarry and have to actually go outside the comfort zone and use cats that you won't use otherwise. And no, only the early SOL stages get buffed in 4 stars, the late SOL stages and UL don't get buffed. Levels with condition > Normal levels because it encourages different strategy so you can't just brainlessly use the same unit to win.
Shoutout to the guy saying emperor is the second worst legend rare for the first hot take of the video
W take
100% agree with the opinion bias because Xskull said Kasli's chibi form was terrible and not worth using but imo she is op when used correctly and protected by meatshields I use Kasli's first form in almost all of my lineups
Imo it's less about Chibi Kasli is unusable/useless but more about Adult Kasli is just that overpowered. On many cases, people tend to pick Adult Mode over her Chibi Mode. But certainly, she can be worked on if you want to.
kasli the scourge with 275 standing range how are u able to use her I don't get it
@@Ben-vg6ox meatshields are the key bro you can just bring manic tank and metal cat if you have him plus her surges have knockback so she can push enemies out of her range so more meatshields can move in and protect her.
Wouldn't recommend using her against surge immune aku enemies or high powered backliners.
1:57 ngl I use Atlantis Logistics for its combo more than actually deploying it
Also 18:36 It's like if on a test 10 people score 95, 10 people score 100, and one person scores 85, sure, you can say that that person scoring 85 isn't "bad" because he's still got 85, but I would disagree
12:13 is an extremely W take
Chunchun haunters is a very good unit. He is essentially a second ururun wolf, and shuts down heavy aku and angel pushes, and has sniping potential. People really took his ranking in a xskull video as facts. Also the first form is kinda bad, but you can set up a stepping stone and somewhat use it, but it's very niche. Second form OP, and will hopefully get some major improvements in true form like some of the other ultra souls. easy A- teir.
I do genuinely agree, she was my first uber in my current save, and has been surprisingly reliable. her curse may be a little useless, but it ignores how she's one of the few CC aku choices, and does pack a decent punch. I guess it's just a classic case of Jizo overshadowing her.
"He is essentially a second ururun wolf" Being a generic ranger with low range, mediocore damage and suiciadal speed isn't very valuable, especially when there aren't any shortage when it comes to generalist backliners that can do the same job as him
"shuts down heavy aku and angel pushes" KB enemies create risk for your cats to miss their attacks, reposition the enemies and push your cats into backliner's attack. Beside, Sanzo can stop the angel pushers more effectively then him anyways. As for Aku, most of them utilise shield to counter and the shieldless one like Aku gory have very fast speed so pushing them back don't really matter that much when you can control them with damage.
It's agreed upon that he is extremely powerful pusher unit. It's their strongest, but also their weakest point. Many end-game Angel stages are designed to punish KB usage which makes unit like SHITakiri loses theirs momentum.
Problem is, you saying she's like a second ururun wolf isn't a good thing, ururun falls of later in the game as there's just better units.
Haunters is garbage lol
His damage is much worse than ururun and he has 50 less range so he’s not even close to a good generalist
Angel backliners and mixed trait stages absolutely delete him
Aku shields make him useless
There’s so many problems with him
gao is the worst uber to pull, because every time he crits you're reminded that you didnt get an uber
(his crit chance is the same as a normal uber pull, 5%)
What is that supposed to mean isn't he like Uberfast
@@theguy6680 LMFAO UBERFAST
Gao just feels like an unusually strong legend unit.
@@skyjack1 he really does
Balrog is definitely the best Uber in the game, excels in most stages and yes I said most, unless the stage is cc heavy or metal it's good, yes even if there's a bunch of peons, balrog killing those peons can be useful for example in UL where killing those peons is very valuable, using balrog to kill a relic squirrel is very valuable
Actually the worst take ever
@@tacotown4598 *best take
@@jacktheace3148 the fuck did you smoke lol
Rip I didn't get to the thumbnail :(
But at least I got into the video lol (8:01)
Regarding to what you said, it's true that some True Forms need WAY TOO MANY B. Stones and I will not defend that flaw because I completely agree with it (for example, I still do not have Luza and Hitman (although Hitman is because I don't want to beat Empress Excavation 4)). However, I still think people are overhating Behemoth, it's not that bad in my opinion. However, if you want to disagree with me, go ahead (without insulting if it's possible)
1. I agree people who cry about trying to get b stones just need to be patient
2. Behemoth as a sub-trait is objectively bad. B-slayer+massive damage is incredibly boring and all it does is make the game less balanced and gives less options in making lineups. Once the novelty of “omg unit stats so big” wears off its just objectively terribly designed. But let’s be honest-ponos will do what ponos will do. We can’t change that, so there’s no point in crying about it
B.Stone collecting isn't all that bad, its just _very_ tedious, specifically the yellow ones.
@@Surkk2960 yellow ones aren’t even that bad. I have like 50 of those puppies.
@@tacotown4598 It is good that they can be found consistently and they are easy to get, its just they take a while due to the guaranteed stage being one of those discovery maps.
Wish RUclips had pushed the community post to me. I left a comment on the first episode of this- as per the suggestion in that video- but hadn't seen the post
I think Ponos should nerf all the fest exclusives but give them true forms. This way, their abilities scale better with game difficulty. Maybe even having true forms locked behind sol with epic fruit seeds would be better
please read this... Dark iz is so, so, SO underrated. i might be a little bit biased because she was my second uber, but I'm serious. At level 30, she has 76500 health and 17340 damage at level 30, which SOUNDS low, but with her massive damage to traitless multiplying that by 3, she has 52020 damage against traitless, and with her 150% strengthen, it's 78030, or 54K DPS. That is a HECK LOT. The 100% chance barrier breaker, 100% shield piercer, zkill, and immunity to LITERALLY EVERY DEBUFF IN THE GAME doesn't hurt either. Overall, i think she is completely underrated, mostly because of darktanyan.
I played 7 behemoth stages and got 1 red stone and 1 purple stone over the span of 1 week
Vigler inst totally a combo slave,it got pretty good damage making him a viable option to maniac fish,lil island and crazed fish and his level 3 wave makes him frezze very easy the enemys and it can pretty much carry eoc3, itf1 and itf2
5:08 Was that a Zelda CDI reference I heard?
4:46
Cap
Musashi miyamoto>>>>>
I have a few i feel tyrant is overhated as when he does debuff it does impact the battle. Pizza cat is a better anti black cat unit than first form jizo because she is a super rare and it’s easier to get +levels for pizza and she has access to some pretty good talents which jizo hasn’t gotten yet
As a person who doesn't own legend rare I cannot comment on that but it's pretty much universally agreed that pizzas better against black then kasa jizo Pizza has more overall worth the stats in terms of cost especially with costs down and wave attack
Those debuffs of Tyrant aren't consistant or long enough to actually be worth relying on. Talented Cyberpunk outclass him in the debuff department with Cyber's 100% slow, 50% uptime and stackability. Tyrant's only edge over Cyber are damage and surviability which aren't impactful enough to make him preferable over Cyberpunk.
Pizza is generally better everywhere except angels or research combo + high money stages
Anubis is a relatively good Uber it just gets hated for him being in the best set
Oh my I'm late to this.
Anyway, my hot take is: Madoka is an incredibly underrated Uber. After testing her in a bunch of Floating stages, I can conclude she basically was a secondary, slightly weaker Aphrodite. The reason she's so put aside is because she's overshadowed by the latter. However in mixed stages, with Alien and Floating being a main one, she proved herself to be a very good assist to Aphrodite, almost like a second one. Of course, the Valentines Aphrodite - I forgot the name - works as a secondary as well, but if you do actually need an Anti-Floating backliner, Madoka is definitely a top pick if you have her.
Cheese
Tbh really true.
Mighty Kat-A-Pult and Ganglion prove ld against zombies works
not a hot take (I think) but... abt C.Gross... you COULD just cheese it with A.Baha- (same thing for Li'l Legs, and MAYBE a lv 40 A.Baha for MANIC Legs)
Lol I’m levelling my balrog to 60 too, I’m at 58 rn, after the labr I’ll be at 60
Ngl for me the crazed cat stages all felt the same. I found all except the crazed cat (because it was the first on I beat) to be no harder than catfruit insane stages.
I think balrog is a bottom 10 ubers. He needs ultra talents asap and also a specialized level cap of 100 🤔
Marshmallow cat should evolve into a smore
6:26 I have fallen victim for this 😩😩😩😩
4:00 long cooldown, ludicrously bad dps
Im glad to be the guy that wrote something way too long and caused 'too long, didn't read' to become a valid criticism
Anyways yeah CotC has too many aliens when it could have had more variety compared to just blue guys, that causes anti alien units to be used most of the time, leaving out other ones in the process.
Gravicci is one of my go to anti relic ubers tbh I thinks he’s good
4:46 how did he read it without cringing
4:23 it doesn’t matter that they’re rare, what matters is that what they actually does sucks. The difference between lvl 50 and 60 is pretty small all things considered. With how rare dark catseyes are, they kinda just don’t do anything for the game at all.
They give access to ultra talents. While the ultra talents so far have been pretty underwhelming, it does give the opportunity for bad units to redeem themselves.
@@MsMinay yes. emphasis on "so far pretty underwhelming".
Ima just say it now, iz the dancer of grief is pretty trash.
They're mid frontliner-mid ranger with faster move speed and below average hp. Meaning unless your using the 2 manic meatsheild strat it's pretty much dead. The dps before the strengthen is also bad might I add, as some viable options that you could use it against is Mr mur or r.ost. sure they have things like shield piercing which has a low appearance, they fall off with other shield Pierce unit's such as talented divine Kai, who can tank a hit from either fallen bear or the elephant (I forgot the name). And with barrier breaker you already have any elemental pixie, or outshined by kitty of liberty. Their zombie killer sucks too, too low dmg, and in mid-late game the zombies are really heavily boosted into their dmg. And things like knock back immune is bad, having only 2 knock backs gives them no real chance to reposition especially with again, that below average HP. Other things that don't really matter are things like surge immune. With a good anti surge is talented gato amigo (I'm not sure if cactus has surge immune as I don't own them), any other meat shield other then amigo or metal macho are gonna die. But even so, they have significantly less move speed vs iz.
Warp immune is gonna shred them as a single boosted starred peng in the relic cyclone last stage is gonna 1 shot them, even at lvl 30.
Low dmg, bad health, no real usage vs any other trait, and fast move speed. They seem good at first glance, but you could settle for things that do other massive damage vs trait less like doron.
(At least they outshine myrica)
TLDR: A detail comment that fight back against the claim that Dark Iz is bad. Read them if you have the free time.
"They're mid frontliner-mid ranger with faster move speed and below average hp. Meaning unless your using the 2 manic meatsheild strat it's pretty much dead."
Her HP is no where "below average": 76K HP with 300 range and 53s is considerably tanky, it's comparable to Balrog. She's not as frail as you make her out to be unless you using stuff such as D'arktanyan
"sure they have things like shield piercing which has a low appearance, they fall off with other shield Pierce unit's such as talented divine Kai, who can tank a hit from either fallen bear or the elephant (I forgot the name)."
She is far better than Kai as a shield piercer. Her piercing range allow her to snipe fallen bear and utilise the peons as stepping stone, her rapid attacks allow her to juggle enemies such as Midnite.D, her HP is still enough to tank a hit from Le.Behemoth (not a behemoth) and ackey, her immunities allow her to roam free in most aku stages (especially in The Aku Realm). Claiming that she "fall off" is straight up wrong when she is one of the best anti aku to have.
"Their zombie killer sucks too, too low dmg, and in mid-late game the zombies are really heavily boosted into their dmg."
Her damage is still usable with 10K strengthen damage. Consider the fact that most zombies have low range and their stage usually don't give a lot of cash, Iz can definately perform well in pure and especially mixed stage. Remember that you can also boost her too, it's not like she's gonna instantly die when she meets a zombie
"And things like knock back immune is bad, having only 2 knock backs gives them no real chance to reposition especially with again, that below average HP."
Her KB immune allows her to counter Mr.Mole properly, and again her HP is not below average. Name me a midranger with better HP in her range class.
"Other things that don't really matter are things like surge immune. With a good anti surge is talented gato amigo (I'm not sure if cactus has surge immune as I don't own them), any other meat shield other then amigo or metal macho are gonna die. But even so, they have significantly less move speed vs iz."
You know you also need some sort of attacker in surge stage right? And again, movement speed isn't that much of an issue when you can just time her properly. She can be an invaluable aspect against surge users like Kappy, Uril, Jagando, Medu-san,...
"Warp immune is gonna shred them as a single boosted starred peng in the relic cyclone last stage is gonna 1 shot them, even at lvl 30."
Weird complaint consider the fact that you aren't suppose to fight them directly, you use Relic Cyclone as a stepping stone and bully those pengs with LD and wave attackers. In normal battle, you can use cat like Seafarer, Catellite or Chill to support her while she endure the warps from the alien backliners.
"Low dmg, bad health, no real usage vs any other trait, and fast move speed."
Her damage is decent with strengthen, her HP is good, an excellent anti aku, a good rusher toward other traits and incredibly versatile with her wide immunities, fast movement speed is a plus for a rusher.
"you could settle for things that do other massive damage vs trait less like doron"
Doron doesn't target traitless in the first place, you seriously can't think of an anti traitless? 💀
"At least they outshine myrica"
Everything outshine Myrcia
I do appreciate this comment actually, I did probably get for on wrong, but it was gladios which I meant. But even as a late game player, with my only other anti trait less as myrica, I'd prefer things that don't even specialize with that. Like empress/princess, or ritual saint. With decent damage as ritual saint has them stand in the surge, where empress is a LD unit without a blind spot.
Still, with aku having high damage/dps. It's not ideal. Plus, these are level 30 stats I'm talking about. You might be too idk.
And I haven't ran into things like midnite d, I just use kai or lmg (lil macho legs) for my shield piercing.
Maybe I under use iz, but I'm gonna stick by my hot take, and use others like kasli, empress, or other specials like awakened ururun, Yuki, or awakened mina
imo manic mohawk outclasses normal eraser
I've used Miku cat cc on floating stages and that dodge is actually useful idfk what everyone is saying
Hot take: phono has the best fest first form and second form
Oh actually, I think bellydancer is better for the stronger aku enemies rather than weaker ones, as she has more potential to live than cactus does, at least, that's what I think. I guess consistency is a big thing for a lot of people, but I really just prefer the absurdness that is dodge.
bellydancer is so weird for me, because like. in aku realms i swear her dodge was activating SO OFTEN that most stages were just nothing, but in ul and event stages with akus she doesnt seem to dodge at all. maybe my opinion just changed once i got cactus?? idk
GG for the thumbnail, I thought I was going to take it lol (because I said behemoth is a good trait lol)
I disagree with the cameraman as the best rare, ramen easily outclassess it by virtue having more uses, yes cameraman is a very stackable bum bun slayer. But she still has plenty of weaknesses. Firstly she basically has melee range, for a stackable attacker, this is a pretty heavy disadvantage since unless the enemy you are stacking against high knockback counts or simply low health, the stack can fall pretty quickly. Another issue is how hard a time cameraman can have getting a hit in, with slow movement speed and sluggish attack startup, cameraman can easily suffer a bahamut moment and get repeatedly knockbacked why trying to get an attack in. Lastly, courier has replaced cameraman as the stackable midranger.
Ramen's strengths come from being a beast in terms of stats as a generalists and being an impenetrable wall against angels(even against new angel enemies ramen remains the number one answer to dealing with them)
4:50 IM A LUCIFER SIMP
gamereon is not really forgotten, he is pretty well respected. I have him, and he helps a lot in angel and black stages
Hot take:
Salamence, Mega Salamence, and Roaring Moon's designs are mid.
Don't you dare ever say that about my boy roaring Moon
He is peek edge Lord design
Edit and it don't take this seriously please
I personally have 2 hot takes
1. Legend Rares are too rare, and some of them aren't even as good as uber rares (Enter Legoluga), I've played this game for about 4 years F2P and still don't have a single legend rare, i think inventing a pity system would be nice, like every 300 rolls you are guaranteed a legend rare, or make a ticket that can ONLY GIVE LEGEND RARES (Looking at you Legend ticket)
2. One of the best Dragon Emperor's in my opinion is Ganglion, i don't see much appreciation for him. People give him shit because he is kind of a rusher, but i personally think that works for him in a lot of stages that you would usually use him in.
1. the average is a lot lower overall-as a tracker I can say I usually get them every 100-200 draws. and secondly, any time you would get a legend rare is consistent across all banners-any draw that gives you a legend rare will give you one on any banner that has one. so, if you really want one just dump on a banner with lr's and you should get one.
2. no one questions that ganglion is then #2 demp. however, that isn't really saying much considering how bad the banner is. also, ganglion has mediocre damage for a rusher, bad dps for a unit of his range, and very long foreswing and cooldown for a rusher.
Eyo, Richest Cat finally got some justice 5:12
Courier best unit for getting dogumaru
9:41 "Fartanyan" 😂😂😂
Hey look I made it into one of these albeit without being directly talked about
hmm mine didn't make it in. I'll post some here then. Ganesha > Amaterasu, 3* SoL is boring and unnecesary, Lasvoss landing a strenghten savage blow is more satisfying than chadbear doing a zkill, Gravi is a better generalist than CitC, MTD isn't that hard anymore nowadays, Revenge of the dreamer can actually be pretty difficult (2 desynced elder sloths is hell)
1. These units have a lot of differences so they’re hard to compare directly, however, amaterasu is just generally higher in her class as a general traited nuker. There are plenty of ld generalists that are better then ganesha.
2. Gravi and Citc both suck as generalists so it doesn’t really matter
3. I’m pretty sure jizo solos that stage lmao
@@tacotown4598 Ganesha is the best non fest imo, 9k dps over a really wide AoE is busted. He also has plenty of knockbacks to keep him alive.
2 yeah probably
3 the problem is if the elder sloths are desynced they will push because of their guaranteed knockback effect
@@Manic_Titan 1. 9k dps is the standard for top tier generalists. amaterasu has much higher standing range and has 14k dps with zombie killer.
3. have you even played the stage? and if you have, what was your strategy.
@@tacotown4598 I have played the stage lol. I killed the bakoo's easily but the elder sloths kept desyncing and pushing to my base.
Also, you're forgetting that ganesha has LD. Ganehsa has a very wide range, whilst amaterasu has no piercing range, which really hurts her. 14k dps is nothing to scoff at, but if she gets cursed it becomes a mere 3-4k dps
1. I have both of those units. No
2. Is this even a hot take? Anyways, hella YES
3. I think both are equally satisfying
4. Than what?
5. What stage?
6. True, I had to level up my kasa jizo to beat that single stage
7. Oh wait there's no seventh hot take lol
Lucifer Gang rise up 💪
Sodom is the best anti floating ever. Most possiblity the best unit in the entire game
Okay, what is this opinion. Please tell me it's a joke. This is coming from a fellow Sodom owner.
Battle cats, hot take I like the old cat fruit storage more I don’t like the new wacky like oh this is a number instead of the floaty
Hot Take:
The New 12.3 Elephant is A Base but it moves
cold take
Hot take camera man is heavily outclassed and actually a bad rare imo
GET OUT
Hot take i'm sure traitless might be the most power crept trait in terms of no Uber like I mean they're stuff like Hitman Lord of ruin jr n001 glass vendor that destroy the entire trait edit this was a horrible take I was like barely awake when I made it I have a new take dark Joe is the single worst enemy introduced with the behemoths his abilities don't seem that bad it's only just a 5% chance to toxic which is stupid but since I got naala's true form all he ever seems to do with toxic him why does an enemy properly with insane range with over two million health 20K damage that attacks rapidly need a 5% chance to toxic they introduced so many behemoth The aren't bad in their initial update that just became god awful later on like pterowl not that bad at first but then they released stages that make him god awful to fight like birth of true man infernal crater area 10
Here's the thing, all of those units can only be obtained in late game when traitless are rampant in early/mid game. Claiming traitless are THE MOST powercreeped is wrong when you consider the fact that red, floating, black and wave exist and are getting bullied by the rare and super rare we have.
@@Only4two100bucks yeah I guess you're right about them being very late in the game but n001 is obtained in early mid i honestly have a harder time with black enemies and red and floating then white enemies
Cold take: the most powercrept trait will be red. FOREVER
absolutely incorrect lmao. hitman is cool, but he can't even come close to holding a candle to something like pizza or courier or ramen vs their traits
@@Mainbreakerz nah. black is way, WAY more powercrept
i didnt think i would ever say this sentence but
god lucifer is such a twink
Another hot take, taking a units rarity and evolution cost into perspective when talking about a units strength is a very weak argument. If the strongest unit came out but it took 5 gold catfruits are you gonna argue that those 5 gold catfruits doesn't make it the strongest??? It's just a weak point.
Um actually Haniwa's speed is a advantage because you can stack them easier sure Henry and Croaky exist but in stages like Wrath of Carnage ot helped stalling R.Ost and not getting them killed by Hannya to the point I could use it as a solo meatshield.
haniwa is a garbage unit regardless.
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Xskull has added in many of his vids that he also does polls about the usage of units per banner, so kinda invalid
Popularity does not make a unit good, it makes it overrated
@@tacotown4598 if a large group of people gets to decide its usually a pretty representative outcome. Like people from all phases of the game get to decide, so there's definitely diversity
@@jess293 diverse opinions does not equal good opinions. and that's absolutely not correct. most battle cats players are early midgame and uneducated. their opinions are usually pretty bad and pretty much just whatever xskull or chillholla or silumantomcat says. they don't formulate or make their own opinions, and if they do, it's usually just "omg kai good cuz big dmg number and big hp number". the fact is the vast majority of the BC community sucks at the game, and will likely make even worse takes then xskull himself
@@tacotown4598 Here's the thing: Those youtubers actually CONTRIBUTE to the discussion. They have played this game and interract with the community for YEARS, their video are well maded and promote discussion for the fandom. So of course the new players would have high regard for them and their opinions. On the opposite, you are a nobody, you don't actually join the discussion or create new one. The only thing you do is to call other players "uneducated" yet you do nothing to prove you're the educated one. The truth is that you're projecting hard and be a contrarian for the sake of it.
@@Only4two100bucks that’s a cool argument, but it’s entirely incorrect. Xskull and other RUclipsrs contribute to the discussion sure, but their contribution isn’t any more valuable because they’re a RUclipsr. I’ve been a part of this community for 2 years, and most of what I learned in my early days from xskull was completely incorrect. Furthermore, what these RUclipsrs do most of the time is not promote discussion, but endless parroting of their opinions with no actual understanding of the reasoning behind those opinions. And Xskull’s editing doesn’t make his opinions valid, neither does his popularity. Only his logic and process can do that. And let’s be honest, it’s not exactly sound.
And a second thing. You don’t know me. You may disagree with me, but that’s no excuse to assume you know everything about me. You say I have nothing to prove I’m the educated one? I’ve been here for two years and have spent huge amounts of time here on RUclips arguing with people about this very thing. Hell the entire community made a Reddit post to cope because my opinions were too advanced for them to understand. But sure, if you want to you can call me a nobody, that’s fine. But it’s pathetic that you have to insult me personally and make empty grand gestures about the value of people that have no real weight to back them up.
I MISSED THIS ONE AS WELL!
GGn't
@@Mainbreakerz yep
your hot takes aren't hot at all. all of your ranking videos are bland and inoffensive. which is actually pretty good, because i despise most ranking youtubers.
@@tacotown4598 :CHONK:
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