TIE : You won't go wrong with either of those caliber. Back in the early 80s I bought my 7 mm Rem Mag because it was a better deal and I liked the ballistics of the 7 mm. Good video Chuck.
Hey Chuck, great video thanks. I am slightly more in favour of 7MM mag than 300 mag due to ease of getting a good BC with the former. However both excellent calibres and hard to beat. Although a 7MM fan my favourite rifle is a 3006AI which is close to what your 300 mag did in velocity. In bear country I would rather have the 300. Both awesome calibres and I personally believe they are both ideal ‘one cartridge’ calibres for hunting in New Zealand. God Bless Dave
I am pretty biased towards the 7mm's. I own a 7mm Rem Mag, 280AI, 7 SAUM, and not to long ago I added the 28 Nosler. I'll probably have a 7mm PRC built once things start coming out for them to add to the arsenal. I really like tinkering with different cartridges and when it comes to the 6mm's, 6.5mm's, and 7mm's I have a really good selection just because I can do everything from long range plinking, compete, and comfortably hunt everything on this continent. That said if all I did was hunt big brown bears, shoot out past say 1500ish yards or maybe did the Africa hunting thing I'd have something bigger but other then an old 30-30 and 30-06 I inherited I don't use or own anything bigger then a 7mm.
Great job comparing bullets with similar "form factors" where the sectional density is the common denominator. Well done Chuck !! As far as speeds are concerned, as much as I like and use Reloader 22, it isn't the one yielding the fastest speed in the 300 Win Mag. Try Reloader 17, and at the other end of the spectrum , Reloader 26. With your longer barrel, you'll get close to 3100 fps and more, you may match the speed of the 145 grain LRX in the 7 Rem Mag. Rel 17 gave me good results with close to a maximum load for the 168 grains TTSX. a bit above 3220 fps with excellent S.D, less than 10 fps consistently and good groups ! With that combination on two separate occasions... I haven't tried the 175 LRX yet. With Hornady's 165 grains GMX (not CX) using Reloader 17, I got off the chart speeds but big discrepancy in S.D. and the groups were not good while the Superformance loaded rounds from Hornady with that particular bullet gave exceptional speed and accuracy. I'd try the Barnes bullets with that powder.
@@AlaskanBallistics Sorry Chuck, I didn't realize supplies were that tight everywhere. Keep an eye on MidwayUSA. I mentioned the other two for speed in the 300 Win Mag. In a 300 Weatherby, Rl 22 is the only one I use. BTW, that Remington 7 Mag you have looks great, too bad they don't make these anymore, at least for now.
Appreciate the great bullet selection & real life #s for data. Both are simply excellent options for anything & everything in North America. I chose 7 mag back in the mid 80s as my choice for magnum rifle. I have no regrets. Many family and friends have great reasons for choosing the 300 Win Mag & a few opted for the 300 Weatherby. Your 7 results are pretty optimal IMO. You might pick up another 40-50 without problems using a bit slower magnum powder. We rarely get 3000fps out of our 180 handloads using a variety of magnum powders & 24" barrels. I think you have a better 300 load here than you think. Thanks again for great content. Enjoy.
You're welcome. I don't always do it. I'll try to do it more often now. It's easy to Google, so I've got no excuses! Thanks for watching and the comment. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours.
Both are excellent cartridges. I own one of each, but they see limited action these days. My .300 Weatherby, .340 Weatherby, and .28 Nosler are usually on first call when it comes to hunting out west. They'll probably get called up when I finalize my African plains game hunt next year as well. Last time I used my 7 Mag was ten years ago. Took two Texas whitetails with it. The .300 Win Mag last saw action about eight years ago in Wyoming, on a successful mule deer hunt. Incidentally, Bergara offers some well made, accurate rifles, and usually at a very price friendly waypoint, for the average Joe DeerTag. I handload the 7 Mag with 140 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips atop Reloader 19. For the .300 Win Mag, I shoot 180 grain Nosler AccuBond bullets over H1000. Both are spot-on, point-of-aim accurate, and the game always drops where it stood. I just prefer the extra velocity I can safely coax out of the Weatherby cartridges, while gaining flatter shot trajectories, and maintaining consistent accuracy. That .28 Nosler is a waaaay downrange bolt of lightning! I stoke it with 168 grain Nosler AccuBond LR bullets and Retumbo magnum powder. It's going with me to Wyoming and Colorado next month, along with my .340. Funny thing, when hunting the Midwest, all I ever use is my Remington 7400 semi-auto .30-06., see-thru scope mounts, with open iron sights, and a 3x9 fixed Redfield scope. Never shot one past seventy-five yards here at home. Most were like about twenty-five to fifty.
I think 170 grain and 200 grain bullets respectively take a good bit more advantage of the cartridges potential. Going lighter with magnum cartridges has such diminishing returns in velocity. The actual energy and especially momentum at the muzzle (not to mention lower BC) with middle weight bullets no longer seems like a proper magnum but closer a hot .270 and 30-06. Good test though.
Just noticed that you give ballistic results in metric, that's great !! Your channel deserves going international just don't tell those French guys where you get the cooking pans in Alaska with the shortage ... if you get my drift.
My 7 mags are easy to shoot, my 300 was not. Only 10% difference in energy, flatter trajectory and not much difference in tissue damage. Happy with 7 Rem
if your powder is temperature sensitive, then your velocity will go up a lot as the chamber heats up. Theres only a few that are truly stable h4350 and vv555
Hunted with a 7 mm mag for nearly 30 years resently got a 300 win mag model 70 , the 300 a different Creature , more shock power at long range love both later stronger !
I own and love both. So this is a tough call. So, with that said, if I could only have 2 hunting rifles. The trusty ol 300 Win Mag & the 7MM Rem Mag for the win.
I have both of these. Honestly for deer hunting, I like the 7mm better. For anything bigger, probably the 300 just for the extra bullet weight. 7mm will kill anything on north American continent though. I have an old (1963) remington 700 with a shot out 7mm barrel. I'm thinking of having it chambered in 7mm/300 wm for the best of both worlds.
Really interesting comparison , with Great Proven details...Between these two cals , The question of whats better will always come down to personal QUIRKS , NOT even opinions.Great show. I target shoot both,, Hunt with 3006 ..
@@AlaskanBallistics Ballistically, Great choice that 7 mm mag...Being FAMILAR is Extremely Important , I can't stress enough to Young folks.. I was in Blk Bear charge/Attack and that will wake you up ! Great. Show..
Good video!! I just purchased 2 7mags recently!! Gotta try to round up some stuff to load with. For now I’m stuck with 50 dollar a box mass produced ammo. I’m excited to see what these guns do.
$50 a box ammo? I wish. I'm in B.C. I went to The Great Satan's Store (Cabela's) today to get some H4350 and thought I'd get some .308 and .300WM. I like 165grn Nosler AB's for my .308 and wanted 200grn Federal Terminal Ascent for the .300. $99CDN for each!!! Just about burst a blood vessel when I saw that!!! I can get both alot cheaper elsewhere. After 12% tax, it would be $110.98 for .308!!! Lord Thunderin'. I can place an order with an outdoor store in the next province over that sells that same Federal ammo for $80 and does NOT have the Provincial sales tax that we do here. Guess where I'm getting my factory ammo from? Not the mark up kings, Cabela's. They have really gone downhill in a serious way since Bass Pro took over. Sad. Anyway, I like both but like the 7mmRm a little better.
Lighter bullets will travel faster than heavier bullets do if you had loaded up 175 grain bullets in the 7mm mag it would be closer to the velocity of the 300 mag bullets
Well yeah. But with the right powder (can't get it much) the loading manual has 3070 fps with the 175gr Barnes in a 24" barrel. I've got a 26" barrel so i should hit 3100 easy.
Agreed. I'm just more familiar with my 7mm Rem mag and it's scope set up for now, so I'm still going to use that until i get good loads developed for the .300
Gotcha! I have a SAKO 300 Win, truly one of my most accurate non-customs I own. Had it for 25 years, it loves anything in the 180 grain weight. It has taken just about everything except a grizzly or black bear, just about everything in between..
Enjoyed the video. Honestly think a 300 Win Mag is wasted on 175 to 180 grain cartridges. I load 208 and 225 in an 8-twist 30" barrel with a match chamber with 0.164" free-bore. I load them long, with a COAL of 3.640" which allows for more power than loading them at the 3.340" COAL. I'm getting 3,074 fps with the 208gr and 2875 fps with the 225gr. Both are excellent 1-mile steel-bangers. Shooting 175s in a 300 Win Mag strikes me the same as shooting 110s in a 7mm Win Mag...Sure you can do it, but why? Maybe the hunting application is totally different than long range target application.
I love the 7mm mag ! Realy like to get another one here soon. Got family member that swear by the 300 win mag with prlenty of big pa whitetale and big candian black bear to not give 👍 to big .30cal on game.
A good comparison would be matching cases. Either Winchester Short Mag or Remington Ultra Mag. Hard to do because of how difficult it is to find rifles in 7mm RUM. I would have thought the 300 case capacity would have given you better velocity. Still a good comparison. Don't think very many critters could tell the difference out to about 500 yards.
Great video like the weatherby rifle I got one in 257 wby try some reloader 25 in the 300 should be able to get mid 3100s barnes data from there book is little on the light side but work your way up be safe
@@AlaskanBallistics Thanks. My friend wants to buy a bolt gun for long range paper/deer and it's got me looking at calibers again. I told him just go .243 win, 6.5 creed, or .300 win mag
I've got penetration videos on both these videos at 60 yards.... links in the description... the LRX would be fine. The TSX , depends on how fast you push it
I have long been biased against 7mm Rem Mag. Over promoted and under performing in so many combos of factory rifles and ammo. Custom and full 26" barrels and handloads can change it to what most people think it always was. Performance doesn't just happen. You have to make the effort and see to it that it happens.
@@AlaskanBallistics Given that non lead bullets are apparently going to soon be required on federal lands soon, I would say that all copper bullets are going to rapidly be the benchmark for all big game hunting cartridges just to stay legal on public land. I can see a likely stagnation of lead bullet technology development very soon. Development of high performance lead bullet loads are going to be less important for more people than we can count.
@@AlaskanBallistics yeah, i tried 2 gr more and the groups really opened up. Loading 270 and 3006 barnes too. I have come to believe those solid copper bullets best accuracy is off a grain or 2 from max.
Thank you for this very informative video. I've been all about the .30 cals for many years. But have acquired an appreciation for the 7mm's in the last 3 years or so. I like both but I like the 7mmRm just a wee bit more. Just wondering... have you ever tried 9.3X62 Mauser? I'd like to see you do a video on that caliber. Including testing penetration. I think it would be a great caliber for Alaska. Kind of like a .35 Whelen but .366 and with a bit more punch. I've looked around online and haven't seen any ballistic gel tests or tests with pork ribs and water jugs with the 9.3X62 with a 286grn bullet. I'd be very interested in the results of either.
I tested my FM-9 , 16" 9mm , in a nut shell it adds about 200 FPS to a 4" Ruger Sam tested on most rounds , some were the same lot # he tested . Gold Dot 124 gr +P was the best +P round >> 1,400 + fps . SIG 124 gr JHP was the best non +P >> 1,350 FPS . 115 gr FMJ Fed & Win wt box JHP both got >> 1,315 FPS . RE Ranger +P+ 127 , only 25 fps faster than gold dot , the primer looked a lot flatter , I would only use it in winter for a rifle , Never a handgun .
@@AlaskanBallistics I do have some 175 gr SWC hard cast , the AR can shoot lead bullets . I think the ones I have loaded are unique , med light rounds for the Kimber . I could load up some 2400 or blue dot for the long barrel & make them warm !! Just in case a bear shows up !!
Would you recommend this chronograph? I’m trying to see how hot my browning 7mm with a 26 inch barrel shoots factory ammo since they often give you the results from 24 inch ones
@@AlaskanBallistics I have used 145lrx with magpro and got 3350fps out of a 26inches barrel an with 150gr ttsx 7mm with mag power got the same seed I shot in my 300win mag 180 ttsx over 85 grs of magpro and get 3250 out of a browning x-bolt with a 1and8 siwst barrel
Hope u bought the brass a while back! Nosler has lost my business. Although, I believe these two calibers are the best two out there. The 7mm just barely win in my book.
I had an early SS rem 700 24" 7 mag, liked it, bot my pretty wife a 270 (22") to have a kinda matching long range rifle. Oehler 33... 7 mag 160's - 3000 f/s Dont remember, 4831 or RL 22. 270 130's also 3000f/s, same powders. Hmmm... only 30 grains difference, 2.5 lb lighter rifle, 2" shorter, way less recoil... Nosler partitions - any REAL difference? Sold the 7 Mag. I did later come by a new 700 in 300 WM... 180's - 3000 - 3050 f/s. Now GO FIGURE THIS! I consistently got Better pressure /velocities with 4350 in the 300, while my 30-06 got the same with Norma 205. I could not make 2700 with any other powder in my '06, 205 consistently gives me 2730. Not max, either! Counter intuitive, eh? I also do better with 4350 and 200 gr partitions in that 300 WM. Case geometry? The gun? Work up some loads with H4350 (temp stable) and play around. Proven results over the screens. Jerry
Both great calibers, but as someone who owns a 300 win mag, a 30-06 and a 270 win, I don't think I'll pick up a 7mm anytime soon. Not worth splitting the difference in my opinion. Don't hunt anything larger than black bears and whitetail anyway. That 300 definitely could have been pushed faster. My 26 inch 300 pushes 208gr bullets at 2850 or so, and 165s at 3200.
@@AlaskanBallistics I've had good luck with imr 4831 and with RL22 in my 300. Wanting to find some slower poders like h1000 or rl26 but they're rare as hens teeth in my neck of the woods of Canada these days
@@AlaskanBallistics saw some h4350 in stock at my LGS but they wanted 80 bucks a pound. I still have 1 pound from pre covid days that has a 40 dollar sticker on it
I'm not a girl and I like the 7mm. To be fair, I'm 6'2" and 160lbs and I shoot a Model 70 Featherweight. I don't want to wait till next Sunday for a follow-up shot if needed.🤣
@@AlaskanBallistics the test did it for me. What do you mean? Better energy, much better standard deviation, more power, better long range ballistics... The only win for the 7 was muzzle velocity. This is the same every test. Actually not really. 300 usually beats the 7 in muzzle velocity too. Reloads absolutely destroy the 7
Your. Comparison should be using the same grain to see the difference performance between the 300mag vs 7mm rem mag because of differences in coficience in bullet diameter
Yeah... it's a much lighter gun without that Magpul stock the 7mm Rem Mag Remington 700 has.... it came with a muzzle brake and I will be putting it on!
I guess I'm an iDio+. Sectional density is the most BS waste of time POS term still used in hunting. Sectional density is the weight of a stationary bullet divided by its cross sectional area before it expands. I've never killed a deer with a stationary bullet that didn't expand! It has absolutely ZERO effect on game or terminal performance. It can be correlated to BC but nothing else. A monolithic bullet with the same SD as a lead bullet will perform drastically differently and both will depend on their velocity. The rest of the video is great! My suggestion to you is when using monolithic bullets, drop the weights by 20% +/- because they maintain their weights so well after impact they don't need to be heavy. So try a 110 gr TTSX or LR-X in the 7mm and maybe 130 gr TTSX or LR-X in the 30 cal. The speeds will go way up and the terminal performance will improve drastically, and so will your point blank range.
@@AlaskanBallistics well I would suggest the 77 gr is too heavy for the 22. This is where your Sectional Density information is relevant. Find the .223 bullet with the same SD as my 80 gr .257 TTSX. My guess is 55 gr. This will be longer then a lead 55 gr and will amaze your son for hunting. Like a lazer beam.
Yeah caribou are just a little bit bigger than deer. More penetration needed. I mostly got it to shoot the m855 green tip rounds at 3700 to 3800 fps at body armor for a video
I ran into a problem with Hornady bullets item # 26331 ELDM 140gr Lot # 2212652. The diameter was .263 and .263.5 but the length was 10 to 12 thousandths difference. Ogive to base and tip to base measurements done. Compared to 2 other Lots I have on hand. I contacted Hornady and got a reply 2 days ago. Ticket I.D. 37363. Mr. Lewis, Thanks for the inquiry. There absolutely do and can see variables. With these bullets we don't have any known issues thus far and we show these to print at 1.374 +/- .007. Baring something unforeseen you can still try them. Thank you So 7 thousandths difference? I surely hope they aren't meaning what I read that as. Length and diameter?! Anyway if anyone has that lot# they should check the projectiles. I let them know in my ignorance l had 50 loaded. They are saying shoot them. No send me the box and I'll send you a box that measures right or nothing of the sort.🤷🏻♂️😂🤣
Two of the best big game cartridges in the world. You can't go wrong with either one. Let's Go!
Agreed 👍
Peter are you being silly?
Great looking loads. I’ve always been partial to the .300 WinMag.
It's a great caliber
Everything you hunt in Alaska will be hurting if hit by either.
Agreed 👍
My shoulder loves the 7 mm magnum.Both are great
They are great. This 7mm Rem Mag is so heavy that it really kicks less
Mine doesn't lol. That 7 mm mag is killer and I've shot 50 cal sniper rifle. Needs a pad.
@johnbenoit2502 mine is heavy with that magpul stock, and I have a limbsaver pad on it. It kicks nothing like my .300winmag
Hell brother, it’s still raining. Going on 5 weeks now. Maybe 6, I forgot the last time we had the big yellow dot in the sky. Hahaha. 😎🤙
Truth!
TIE :
You won't go wrong with either of those caliber.
Back in the early 80s I bought my 7 mm Rem Mag because it was a better deal and I liked the ballistics of the 7 mm.
Good video Chuck.
Thank You! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours
Thanks for the great info!
You're Welcome. Godspeed and Good hunting
Love the 7mm great gun . 300 will be my next buy.
Yep! One of each!
Hey Chuck, great video thanks. I am slightly more in favour of 7MM mag than 300 mag due to ease of getting a good BC with the former. However both excellent calibres and hard to beat. Although a 7MM fan my favourite rifle is a 3006AI which is close to what your 300 mag did in velocity. In bear country I would rather have the 300. Both awesome calibres and I personally believe they are both ideal ‘one cartridge’ calibres for hunting in New Zealand. God Bless Dave
Thanks Dave. If I ever make it Dien there to hunt, I'll be sure to take it
I am pretty biased towards the 7mm's. I own a 7mm Rem Mag, 280AI, 7 SAUM, and not to long ago I added the 28 Nosler. I'll probably have a 7mm PRC built once things start coming out for them to add to the arsenal. I really like tinkering with different cartridges and when it comes to the 6mm's, 6.5mm's, and 7mm's I have a really good selection just because I can do everything from long range plinking, compete, and comfortably hunt everything on this continent. That said if all I did was hunt big brown bears, shoot out past say 1500ish yards or maybe did the Africa hunting thing I'd have something bigger but other then an old 30-30 and 30-06 I inherited I don't use or own anything bigger then a 7mm.
I love my 6.5s and 7mms
I'm a 300 win mag guy to me can't go wrong with it
Nope
Thanks for the video! I enjoyed seeing the two "do everything " rifles compared! Have fun, good luck, don't let that rainy weather get you down!
Will do.
Great job comparing bullets with similar "form factors" where the sectional density is the common denominator. Well done Chuck !!
As far as speeds are concerned, as much as I like and use Reloader 22, it isn't the one yielding the fastest speed in the 300 Win Mag. Try Reloader 17, and at the other end of the spectrum , Reloader 26. With your longer barrel, you'll get close to 3100 fps and more, you may match the speed of the 145 grain LRX in the 7 Rem Mag. Rel 17 gave me good results with close to a maximum load for the 168 grains TTSX. a bit above 3220 fps with excellent S.D, less than 10 fps consistently and good groups ! With that combination on two separate occasions... I haven't tried the 175 LRX yet. With Hornady's 165 grains GMX (not CX) using Reloader 17, I got off the chart speeds but big discrepancy in S.D. and the groups were not good while the Superformance loaded rounds from Hornady with that particular bullet gave exceptional speed and accuracy. I'd try the Barnes bullets with that powder.
You talk as if i can get rl17 or 26. Rl22 is like gold
@@AlaskanBallistics Sorry Chuck, I didn't realize supplies were that tight everywhere. Keep an eye on MidwayUSA. I mentioned the other two for speed in the 300 Win Mag. In a 300 Weatherby, Rl 22 is the only one I use. BTW, that Remington 7 Mag you have looks great, too bad they don't make these anymore, at least for now.
Can't ship ammo or powder here. International import and export required
Appreciate the great bullet selection & real life #s for data. Both are simply excellent options for anything & everything in North America. I chose 7 mag back in the mid 80s as my choice for magnum rifle. I have no regrets. Many family and friends have great reasons for choosing the 300 Win Mag & a few opted for the 300 Weatherby. Your 7 results are pretty optimal IMO. You might pick up another 40-50 without problems using a bit slower magnum powder. We rarely get 3000fps out of our 180 handloads using a variety of magnum powders & 24" barrels. I think you have a better 300 load here than you think. Thanks again for great content. Enjoy.
Thank you! Godspeed and good hunting brother!
Thank your for the specification in m/s and Joules👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
You're welcome. I don't always do it. I'll try to do it more often now. It's easy to Google, so I've got no excuses! Thanks for watching and the comment. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours.
Both are excellent cartridges. I own one of each, but they see limited action these days. My .300 Weatherby, .340 Weatherby, and .28 Nosler are usually on first call when it comes to hunting out west. They'll probably get called up when I finalize my African plains game hunt next year as well. Last time I used my 7 Mag was ten years ago. Took two Texas whitetails with it.
The .300 Win Mag last saw action about eight years ago in Wyoming, on a successful mule deer hunt. Incidentally, Bergara offers some well made, accurate rifles, and usually at a very price friendly waypoint, for the average Joe DeerTag.
I handload the 7 Mag with 140 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips atop Reloader 19. For the .300 Win Mag, I shoot 180 grain Nosler AccuBond bullets over H1000. Both are spot-on, point-of-aim accurate, and the game always drops where it stood. I just prefer the extra velocity I can safely coax out of the Weatherby cartridges, while gaining flatter shot trajectories, and maintaining consistent accuracy.
That .28 Nosler is a waaaay downrange bolt of lightning! I stoke it with 168 grain Nosler AccuBond LR bullets and Retumbo magnum powder. It's going with me to Wyoming and Colorado next month, along with my .340.
Funny thing, when hunting the Midwest, all I ever use is my Remington 7400 semi-auto .30-06., see-thru scope mounts, with open iron sights, and a 3x9 fixed Redfield scope. Never shot one past seventy-five yards here at home. Most were like about twenty-five to fifty.
I'd like to see that 28 nosler work the 120gr tui bullet against level 4 body armor.
@@AlaskanBallistics
Not if you're (not your) the one wearing the body armor, you wouldn't! [Laffin' 😄]
True
I like the 7mm magnum as it wins sectional density with acceptable recoil impulse.
Agreed. There are few dead caribou that would agree with you.
I’m a .284 fan so I’m going to go with the 7mm rem mag.
Nothing wrong with that
Love my 7mm Rem Mag
Me too
I think 170 grain and 200 grain bullets respectively take a good bit more advantage of the cartridges potential. Going lighter with magnum cartridges has such diminishing returns in velocity. The actual energy and especially momentum at the muzzle (not to mention lower BC) with middle weight bullets no longer seems like a proper magnum but closer a hot .270 and 30-06.
Good test though.
The caribou didn't mind the 139gr lrx from the 7mm Rem Mag at 459 yards.
Barnes LRX or TTSX work fantastic!!!!
The best two hunting bullets made
Just noticed that you give ballistic results in metric, that's great !! Your channel deserves going international just don't tell those French guys where you get the cooking pans in Alaska with the shortage ... if you get my drift.
Lol .
Sometimes I remember metric
7mm Rem was my first rifle in 1973 and still have it,hard to separate me and my 7,shot most everything else,but Creedmoore,still favor my 7s
I like them all, but my 7mm Rem mag I love
And it puts down a cow caribou faster at 459 yards than the creedmoor did at 288 yards.
Have a 7mm Rem Mag. Considered a 300 WM but never pulled the trigger. Good comp Chuck.
Thank you sir.
My 7 mags are easy to shoot, my 300 was not. Only 10% difference in energy, flatter trajectory and not much difference in tissue damage. Happy with 7 Rem
Mine have been great too. Thank you!
I've been waiting for this one!!
Hope it didn't dissapoint!
@@AlaskanBallistics I'm really more interested in the penetration test to follow, but it was a good informative video as always 👍
I probably won't be doing a comparative penetration test between these two.
Good video. 🎥🎬 Thank you!
Thank you brother! Godspeed and good hunting!!!
Excellent comparison. Totally agree with you on the sectional density. Be nice to see a penetration test.
Links in the description for penetration tests
if your powder is temperature sensitive, then your velocity will go up a lot as the chamber heats up. Theres only a few that are truly stable h4350 and vv555
Thanks for letting me know.
@@AlaskanBallistics AND the new Enduron IMR powders. Try IMR 7977.
If I can find any
Stayball6.5 is pretty temp stable
But no loads for the 7mm or 300 msg
From Russia with love Chuck ))
Thank You for watching. Do you all use these calibers over there?
Godspeed and good hunting.
Why do Russians always put the “))” at the end of their comment? I’ve seen this now a bunch of times
@@RockyMountainWest13 We are friendly people))
@@user-sk9cg4zm8t I’m sure you are but what does )) mean? Is that supposed to be a smiley face or something?
Hunted with a 7 mm mag for nearly 30 years resently got a 300 win mag model 70 , the 300 a different Creature , more shock power at long range love both later stronger !
They both are great 👍
I own and love both. So this is a tough call. So, with that said, if I could only have 2 hunting rifles. The trusty ol 300 Win Mag & the 7MM Rem Mag for the win.
There you go!
I have a 300 win mag with a muzzle brake, recoil is like a .243 with 300 win mag hitting power.
The muzzle brake on this one really helps
I have both of these. Honestly for deer hunting, I like the 7mm better. For anything bigger, probably the 300 just for the extra bullet weight. 7mm will kill anything on north American continent though. I have an old (1963) remington 700 with a shot out 7mm barrel. I'm thinking of having it chambered in 7mm/300 wm for the best of both worlds.
That's a great idea! Let me know how it works!
Thanks for sharing
Thank You for watching. Godspeed and good hunting my friend!
I came for the penetration test comparison...
Yeah SSTs are that way.
Shooting the 175 LRX in 300wsm. Getting it to 3150 fps using superformance powder and single digit SDs
Nice! What scale to you use?
@@AlaskanBallistics I just use an old Ohaus balance beam scale I bought off eBay. It’s essentially identical to the RCBS 505.
Okay i didn't like my old rcbs, got off too easily
@@AlaskanBallistics confirming zero each time I use it has been key for me.
Agreed, which i do much more easily with my digital scale
7mm Rem Mag is my preference.
Me too right now, but that's a heavy rifle. We'll see if I change my mind when I get the muzzle brake on the .300 and develop good loads for it.
The 145gr. is hard to beat.
Very hard to beat.
Really interesting comparison , with Great Proven details...Between these two cals , The question of whats better will always come down to personal QUIRKS , NOT even opinions.Great show. I target shoot both,, Hunt with 3006 ..
Thank you Anthony! I'm more familiar with my 7mm Rem mag so I'll probably keep using it.
@@AlaskanBallistics Ballistically, Great choice that 7 mm mag...Being FAMILAR is Extremely Important , I can't stress enough to Young folks.. I was in Blk Bear charge/Attack and that will wake you up ! Great. Show..
That will wake you up for sure
That will wake you up for sure
But witch is better than the other?????
which*
I prefer my 7mm Rem mag because i have accurate loads already developed for it and know it better.
I’m getting 3260 fps with MagPro powder on my 7mm. 26” barrel. 150 grain TTSX
Nice
It's not either or, this is America, buy both!!!
Haha i have. Fair enough
Good video!! I just purchased 2 7mags recently!! Gotta try to round up some stuff to load with. For now I’m stuck with 50 dollar a box mass produced ammo. I’m excited to see what these guns do.
Awesome. What did you pick up?
@@AlaskanBallistics a smith and a Wesson 1500 in a really nice wood stock!! Got it for $350
Oooh nice. It's just a howa with Smith's name on it
@@AlaskanBallistics yes sir but it is a beautiful rifle!! I like a howa!! They havnt made the smith and Wesson since like 83 I think I read.
$50 a box ammo?
I wish. I'm in B.C.
I went to The Great Satan's Store (Cabela's) today to get some H4350 and thought I'd get some .308 and .300WM.
I like 165grn Nosler AB's for my .308 and wanted 200grn Federal Terminal Ascent for the .300.
$99CDN for each!!! Just about burst a blood vessel when I saw that!!! I can get both alot cheaper elsewhere.
After 12% tax, it would be $110.98 for .308!!!
Lord Thunderin'.
I can place an order with an outdoor store in the next province over that sells that same Federal ammo for $80 and does NOT have the Provincial sales tax that we do here. Guess where I'm getting my factory ammo from?
Not the mark up kings, Cabela's. They have really gone downhill in a serious way since Bass Pro took over. Sad.
Anyway, I like both but like the 7mmRm a little better.
Lighter bullets will travel faster than heavier bullets do if you had loaded up 175 grain bullets in the 7mm mag it would be closer to the velocity of the 300 mag bullets
Well yeah. But with the right powder (can't get it much) the loading manual has 3070 fps with the 175gr Barnes in a 24" barrel. I've got a 26" barrel so i should hit 3100 easy.
What travels faster also slows down faster - exponentially (to the second power)
For me, between these 2 calibers, the 300 Win gets the nod all day long
Agreed. I'm just more familiar with my 7mm Rem mag and it's scope set up for now, so I'm still going to use that until i get good loads developed for the .300
Gotcha! I have a SAKO 300 Win, truly one of my most accurate non-customs I own. Had it for 25 years, it loves anything in the 180 grain weight. It has taken just about everything except a grizzly or black bear, just about everything in between..
Enjoyed the video. Honestly think a 300 Win Mag is wasted on 175 to 180 grain cartridges. I load 208 and 225 in an 8-twist 30" barrel with a match chamber with 0.164" free-bore. I load them long, with a COAL of 3.640" which allows for more power than loading them at the 3.340" COAL. I'm getting 3,074 fps with the 208gr and 2875 fps with the 225gr. Both are excellent 1-mile steel-bangers. Shooting 175s in a 300 Win Mag strikes me the same as shooting 110s in a 7mm Win Mag...Sure you can do it, but why? Maybe the hunting application is totally different than long range target application.
These bullets perform excellent on game
I love the 7mm mag ! Realy like to get another one here soon. Got family member that swear by the 300 win mag with prlenty of big pa whitetale and big candian black bear to not give 👍 to big .30cal on game.
They both work
A good comparison would be matching cases. Either Winchester Short Mag or Remington Ultra Mag. Hard to do because of how difficult it is to find rifles in 7mm RUM. I would have thought the 300 case capacity would have given you better velocity. Still a good comparison. Don't think very many critters could tell the difference out to about 500 yards.
I agree Wes
@@AlaskanBallistics Hope one of us wins the lottery soon, sounds like a trip to the gunsmith for a few custom rifles is in order.
Lol agreed. But no lottery in Alaska
@@AlaskanBallistics BUMMER
Great video like the weatherby rifle I got one in 257 wby try some reloader 25 in the 300 should be able to get mid 3100s barnes data from there book is little on the light side but work your way up be safe
Too bad rl25 doesn't exist anyone on any store shelves... been trying to find 26 for over 1.5 years
I wanted a 7mm rem mag vs .300 win mag comparison and specifically looked for your channel cause I wanted to skip all the bullshit lol
Well thank you! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend.
@@AlaskanBallistics Thanks. My friend wants to buy a bolt gun for long range paper/deer and it's got me looking at calibers again. I told him just go .243 win, 6.5 creed, or .300 win mag
@supergreatairgunreviews 6.5 prc if he wants to be able to hunt anything in North America save the biggest bears and bison.
@supergreatairgunreviews for accuracy and long range I'd go .300prc over 300win mag if he handloads
@@AlaskanBallistics Is .300 prc basically the 6.5 creedmoor of .300 win mag with better b.c. and less kick
I would like to try some copper bullets but most of my shots are under 150 so they worry me if they are going to expand at close ranges! Great vid!
I've got penetration videos on both these videos at 60 yards.... links in the description... the LRX would be fine. The TSX , depends on how fast you push it
I have long been biased against 7mm Rem Mag. Over promoted and under performing in so many combos of factory rifles and ammo. Custom and full 26" barrels and handloads can change it to what most people think it always was. Performance doesn't just happen. You have to make the effort and see to it that it happens.
I understand that. I'll probably keep hunting with it as I understand it better.
@@AlaskanBallistics Given that non lead bullets are apparently going to soon be required on federal lands soon, I would say that all copper bullets are going to rapidly be the benchmark for all big game hunting cartridges just to stay legal on public land. I can see a likely stagnation of lead bullet technology development very soon. Development of high performance lead bullet loads are going to be less important for more people than we can count.
True.
@@AlaskanBallistics chuck do you have any videos on nosler etip out of any of the 30 calibers?
No. Got some 7mm 150gr on order from midway
Im getting about 3075-3100fps with 165 Barnes out of a 26" 300 WinMag and h4831 Short cut.
Nice good accuracy?
@@AlaskanBallistics yeah, i tried 2 gr more and the groups really opened up. Loading 270 and 3006 barnes too. I have come to believe those solid copper bullets best accuracy is off a grain or 2 from max.
I love my 300 win mag kick like bull but love it 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💪💪💯
This one is nice with the muzzle brake
Thank you for this very informative video.
I've been all about the .30 cals for many years. But have acquired an appreciation for the 7mm's in the last 3 years or so. I like both but I like the 7mmRm just a wee bit more.
Just wondering... have you ever tried 9.3X62 Mauser? I'd like to see you do a video on that caliber. Including testing penetration.
I think it would be a great caliber for Alaska. Kind of like a .35 Whelen but .366 and with a bit more punch.
I've looked around online and haven't seen any ballistic gel tests or tests with pork ribs and water jugs with the 9.3X62 with a 286grn bullet. I'd be very interested in the results of either.
I have no experience with that caliber. Rifle and ammo are next to impossible to find
@@AlaskanBallistics Understood. Have a great day. 😁
I tested my FM-9 , 16" 9mm , in a nut shell it adds about 200 FPS to a 4" Ruger Sam tested on most rounds , some were the same lot # he tested . Gold Dot 124 gr +P was the best +P round >> 1,400 + fps . SIG 124 gr JHP was the best non +P >> 1,350 FPS . 115 gr FMJ Fed & Win wt box JHP both got >> 1,315 FPS . RE Ranger +P+ 127 , only 25 fps faster than gold dot , the primer looked a lot flatter , I would only use it in winter for a rifle , Never a handgun .
Cool nice to know. Thank you
@@AlaskanBallistics Soon I will test the 10mm 16" , I have lots of ammo to test ... for bear only FMJ type >> Armscor & Crit Duty ?? Lots of HPs .
@@danoneill2846 load you up some ckbcastbullets.com 180gr for the 10mm... need me to send you some bullets?
@@AlaskanBallistics I do have some 175 gr SWC hard cast , the AR can shoot lead bullets . I think the ones I have loaded are unique , med light rounds for the Kimber . I could load up some 2400 or blue dot for the long barrel & make them warm !! Just in case a bear shows up !!
@@danoneill2846 also be great for pig hunting
You should also check out 200 gr lrx. They work perfect on moose.
Cool. I've got it sighted in with 190gr lrx right now
@@AlaskanBallistics 200 gr are a little better, lol
Send me a Box to test and I will put it in the very long queue lol
My first gun purchase was a Remington 710 chambered in 7MM Rem Mag. I was shooting 150, 175 and 180 grain boolats.
Awesome man
Neither is good here we have killer jurassic chipmunks
Those things are rabid!
First one was cold barrel I believe
Yeah that happens
I’d be curious the difference between totally cold bore and not.
They were. First videos of that day shooting
Would you recommend this chronograph? I’m trying to see how hot my browning 7mm with a 26 inch barrel shoots factory ammo since they often give you the results from 24 inch ones
Yes but shoot only with good lighting bright sunny days with the sunshades on
Chuck, what stock do you have on the 700 Rem? I’ve been looking for a Remington 700 in 7mm Rem Mag.
Magpul... i don't recommend it. My adl internal magazine would feed properly so i replaced it with the magpul.
The magpul is very heavy
I'm pissed that only the 190 grain is avaliable in factory ammo. Only runs 2840. They need to load that 175 in factory 300winmag.
Agreed 👍 we'll see how fast my 190gr handloads are going soon
You can get a lot more seep out of both of them using mag and magpro prowder
Been thinking about that. The RL22 is really accurate in my 7mm Rem
@@AlaskanBallistics I have used 145lrx with magpro and got 3350fps out of a 26inches barrel an with 150gr ttsx 7mm with mag power got the same seed I shot in my 300win mag 180 ttsx over 85 grs of magpro and get 3250 out of a browning x-bolt with a 1and8 siwst barrel
@@AlaskanBallistics all of this loads are sended to marine leth
Sweet I'll look into it
Barnes load data?
I have to admit,I am disappointed in the 300. 2960's is factory advertised velocities for 180.
Me too but i can work on these
Just curious as to where you're shooting at. Just moved back to Alaska after a 16 year absence and need to get the boom sticks out...
The land got bought and is posted now. 😩
Hope u bought the brass a while back! Nosler has lost my business. Although, I believe these two calibers are the best two out there. The 7mm just barely win in my book.
A little bit back. Nosler has increased their prices to almost unjustifiable levels
I had an early SS rem 700 24" 7 mag, liked it, bot my pretty wife a 270 (22") to have a kinda matching long range rifle. Oehler 33... 7 mag 160's - 3000 f/s Dont remember, 4831 or RL 22. 270 130's also 3000f/s, same powders. Hmmm... only 30 grains difference, 2.5 lb lighter rifle, 2" shorter, way less recoil... Nosler partitions - any REAL difference? Sold the 7 Mag. I did later come by a new 700 in 300 WM... 180's - 3000 - 3050 f/s. Now GO FIGURE THIS! I consistently got Better pressure /velocities with 4350 in the 300, while my 30-06 got the same with Norma 205. I could not make 2700 with any other powder in my '06, 205 consistently gives me 2730. Not max, either! Counter intuitive, eh? I also do better with 4350 and 200 gr partitions in that 300 WM. Case geometry? The gun? Work up some loads with H4350 (temp stable) and play around. Proven results over the screens. Jerry
I used h4350 in the 110gr bullets in the .300 win mag verses body armor video
Both great calibers, but as someone who owns a 300 win mag, a 30-06 and a 270 win, I don't think I'll pick up a 7mm anytime soon. Not worth splitting the difference in my opinion. Don't hunt anything larger than black bears and whitetail anyway.
That 300 definitely could have been pushed faster. My 26 inch 300 pushes 208gr bullets at 2850 or so, and 165s at 3200.
Yeah i need to try some different powders
@@AlaskanBallistics I've had good luck with imr 4831 and with RL22 in my 300. Wanting to find some slower poders like h1000 or rl26 but they're rare as hens teeth in my neck of the woods of Canada these days
Rl26 is non existent here h1000 occasionally
@@AlaskanBallistics saw some h4350 in stock at my LGS but they wanted 80 bucks a pound. I still have 1 pound from pre covid days that has a 40 dollar sticker on it
That's crazy. Not that expensive better
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Thanks Justin
I guess most Girls out there would prefer the 7mm.😋
🤪 good thing my wife likes it then
I'm not a girl and I like the 7mm. To be fair, I'm 6'2" and 160lbs and I shoot a Model 70 Featherweight. I don't want to wait till next Sunday for a follow-up shot if needed.🤣
@loganmeline9233 I use 7mm too it's my favorite rifle right now. 300 won mag is better but mine isn't as accurate
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Thank you Lance
Chris Kyle swore by 300 win mag. I'm no navy seal, but if 300 win mag was his preferred choice that should say something.
It's a good choice for sure
Is it possible that your first shot in the 7mm mag was in an oiled barrel? That would diminish the speed.
Nope
I really think cold bore shots are slower
I'd tend to agree
300 win all the way
Maybe so
In Alaska id feel safer with the 300wm for hunting.
Agreed normally but I'm a better shot with the 7mm Rem Mag so far
@@AlaskanBallistics Well you know what they say about a man that has only one rifle.
Very true
Have both seam's to me 300 mag a different Creature in my eyes , saying that both deadly choices ! Sorry
Nothing to apologize for my friend. Thank you for watching and commenting. Godspeed and good hunting.
P.S. i do own both
I reload a 175gr bullet for my 7mm.
What bullet and load? I did a 175gr fusion video several months ago
As usual the 300 beat the crap out of the 7mm
Define "bear the crap out of" ?
@@AlaskanBallistics the test did it for me. What do you mean? Better energy, much better standard deviation, more power, better long range ballistics...
The only win for the 7 was muzzle velocity. This is the same every test. Actually not really. 300 usually beats the 7 in muzzle velocity too. Reloads absolutely destroy the 7
Your. Comparison should be using the same grain to see the difference performance between the 300mag vs 7mm rem mag because of differences in coficience in bullet diameter
Using similar sectional density.
300 mag won other than recoil.
Yeah... it's a much lighter gun without that Magpul stock the 7mm Rem Mag Remington 700 has.... it came with a muzzle brake and I will be putting it on!
I guess I'm an iDio+. Sectional density is the most BS waste of time POS term still used in hunting. Sectional density is the weight of a stationary bullet divided by its cross sectional area before it expands. I've never killed a deer with a stationary bullet that didn't expand! It has absolutely ZERO effect on game or terminal performance. It can be correlated to BC but nothing else. A monolithic bullet with the same SD as a lead bullet will perform drastically differently and both will depend on their velocity.
The rest of the video is great! My suggestion to you is when using monolithic bullets, drop the weights by 20% +/- because they maintain their weights so well after impact they don't need to be heavy.
So try a 110 gr TTSX or LR-X in the 7mm and maybe 130 gr TTSX or LR-X in the 30 cal. The speeds will go way up and the terminal performance will improve drastically, and so will your point blank range.
If you watch my 120gr 7mm Rem Mag TTSX Video, think you'll like the results.
@@AlaskanBallistics definitely will do. I use an 80 gr TTSX in my 250 Savage and love them. Light, fast, solid, and accurate.
Cool I'm thinki g of loading the 77gr ttsx for my son to be built .22-250
@@AlaskanBallistics well I would suggest the 77 gr is too heavy for the 22. This is where your Sectional Density information is relevant. Find the .223 bullet with the same SD as my 80 gr .257 TTSX. My guess is 55 gr. This will be longer then a lead 55 gr and will amaze your son for hunting. Like a lazer beam.
Yeah caribou are just a little bit bigger than deer. More penetration needed.
I mostly got it to shoot the m855 green tip rounds at 3700 to 3800 fps at body armor for a video
I like 300 Win mag
Me too
I ran into a problem with Hornady bullets item # 26331 ELDM 140gr Lot # 2212652. The diameter was .263 and .263.5 but the length was 10 to 12 thousandths difference. Ogive to base and tip to base measurements done. Compared to 2 other Lots I have on hand. I contacted Hornady and got a reply 2 days ago. Ticket I.D. 37363.
Mr. Lewis,
Thanks for the inquiry. There absolutely do and can see variables. With these bullets we don't have any known issues thus far and we show these to print at 1.374 +/- .007. Baring something unforeseen you can still try them.
Thank you
So 7 thousandths difference? I surely hope they aren't meaning what I read that as. Length and diameter?!
Anyway if anyone has that lot# they should check the projectiles. I let them know in my ignorance l had 50 loaded. They are saying shoot them. No send me the box and I'll send you a box that measures right or nothing of the sort.🤷🏻♂️😂🤣
Oh wow
They didn't offer to send them back and replace them? Geeze
@@AlaskanBallistics
No sir. So I thought we should talk about it.😁
It's to do with demand I think.