Thank you Katie for keeping it real and not normalizing dishonorable behavior with its deceit and lies. It's women that continue to remain strong, keeping their dignity and honor. Thank you Pam for your courage and strength. Bless you both!
She is incredible and I send blessings to her. I pray for her safety because I worry that this interview this media will put her in danger. She is a very brave and courageous person.
As a victim of gaslighting and love bombing,i really understand the change of this lady. Afyer you know what's behind a malignant narcissist, you don't get in their trap again. But, the experience makes a mark on you that is hard to get rid of.
So true! Once bitten by a strongly malignant narcissist (i.e., a narcissistic psychopath), you know the world has "evil" people. They're a tiny fraction of our population, but they're very dangerous and they hide in society everywhere.
She should get a pardon just for taking responsibility for her part!!!!! She's the only one out of almost 1600. How pathetic. Imagine 45 years of recovery and she just acknowledged her 4th, 5th, 8th & 9th step!🥰
I'm not sure about this woman. It doesn't even sound like she was guilty for anything. If she was still outside, why is she guilty? Maybe she was paid to say these things.
@@karenkline7221 according to her Wikipedia article, she pleaded guilty to demonstrating, picketing, or parading IN a Capitol building. She disobeyed the guard who told her to rest by the gate and entered the building. She was seen inside the rotunda inviting other rioters to enter.
@@karenkline7221 from Wikipedia: "Hemphill pushed past police lines three times as the attack began. She was filmed asking for assistance from police after being in the crowd, stating that she had "had surgery," before going to the doors of the capital, disobeying the officer who had told her to rest by a gate.[6] She was later seen in the Capitol rotunda, telling fellow rioters to "come on in, come on, have fun... This is your house!"[2] She later stated again that she was hurt, telling officers that she had "40 stitches".[6] She was later escorted out by law enforcement.[2]"
@@karenkline7221she spent 60 days in prison! She pled guilty to being where she was not to be. She takes responsibility for her actions. Sounds fishy? Only to a MAGA would that sound fishy. Stop it. People can eventually wake up and leave cults.
Thanks for speaking out. I had long wondered why so many attempt to defend him while being hateful to those who are truly trying to help them. Maybe there’s still hope for some.
Praying for special protection and blessing over this dear woman who is such a wonderful example of speaking the truth and escaping the Trump cult. Love from New Hope MN
Summary of Pamela Hemphill's Interview: Background: Pamela Hemphill, known as "MAGA Granny," is a 71-year-old retired drug and alcohol counselor from Boise, Idaho. She pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge related to her participation in the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot, receiving a sentence of 60 days in prison and three years of probation. Motivation for Going to Washington: Pamela initially went to Washington D.C. for what she thought would be a fun event, having been involved in documenting Republican gatherings in Idaho. She was not anticipating the violent turn events would take. Experience During the Riot: Pamela described an intense and dangerous scene where she was injured and nearly killed by the crowd, but was saved by Capitol Police. Her account illustrates her transition from participant to victim of the mob's actions. Rejection of Pardon: Pamela explicitly rejected a potential pardon from former President Donald Trump, arguing that accepting it would dishonor the Capitol Police, undermine the rule of law, and contribute to the false narrative that the DOJ has been weaponized against January 6 rioters. She emphasizes personal accountability for her actions. Change in Perspective: Initially, Pamela was part of the group that believed in the election fraud narrative propagated by Trump. Her views began to change post-incarceration, influenced by therapy and self-reflection, recognizing the manipulation tactics used by Trump akin to those of a cult leader. Current Advocacy: Pamela has since taken on the role of debunking misinformation about January 6, aiming to correct the public's perception of the event. She faces significant backlash from former allies, including smear campaigns and threats, for her stance against the narrative pushed by some Trump supporters. Public Perception and Personal Impact: Her decision to speak out and reject the pardon has led to personal attacks and ostracization from the community she once was part of, highlighting the social and personal costs of her change in viewpoint. Key Insights: Pamela's story illustrates the complex psychological and social dynamics at play among January 6 participants, showing how some individuals can experience a significant ideological shift post-event. Her rejection of the pardon underscores a rare acknowledgment of personal responsibility in the context of political actions driven by misinformation or groupthink. The interview reveals the ongoing impact of January 6 on personal lives, particularly for those who have publicly changed their stance or tried to correct narratives around the event.
This brave lady has a very important message with a unique perspective we should all consider. The MAGA movement represents a very serious mental health issue for the country. She was able to break free from the cult via therapy, which is probably the only way to resolve the MAGA delusions. That's very sobering.....how do you convince millions of people to seek therapy without insulting them?
We have many anti-cult mental health counselors. A very good one is Steven A. Hassan, PhD. He's written several books, and has given many interviews (on YTube) about how family members can help their afflicted MAGA kin. And yes, MAGA uses "mind control" techniques, so it IS definitely a mental health issue.
A TRUE HEROINE! To step outside of the rhetoric to support the truth is so brave!!! She is The mother of Democracy and Justice! Every word - thank you!! Hire her Katie!!!!!!
The orange man bad cult is the only cult that needs getting out of. Being brainwashed for over a decade is going to take some reprogramming. Right Katie.
Bishop Budde is a homosexual who hates herself and wants approval for her behavior. She is a heathen and a political activist not a minister. She is despicable and speaks with a forked tongue.
🎉🎉🎉 Way to go 'MAGA Granny' I applauded your courage & strength for standing out for the truth. Your in par with Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde!!! I hope you can change your alias to 'WOKE Granny'
Thanked you for your consideration Mrs. Pamela Hemphill for understanding right versus wrong, you're extraordinary person,to accept responsibility for your actions on January 6 2021,i hoped and pray to God,will forgive your sins.😢😊.
@ She has done a great job of rejecting it morally already. But she can also reject it in law - a pardon for a federal crime, as she was charged, is only officially recognized once the recipient has affimed it. That may be different for some state crimes.
@@allyson4970 A person may decide not to accept a pardon, in which case it does not take effect, according to a Supreme Court majority opinion in Burdick v. United States (1915). "A pardon is a deed, to the validity of which delivery is essential, and delivery is not complete without acceptance. It may then be rejected by the person to whom it is tendered; and if it is rejected, we have discovered no power in this court to force it upon him." Happy to hear if you have other SCOTUS verdicts that negate this.
Pam, if you need support, check out Sons of Liberty. He’s not for the faint of heart - he’s there for those who had enough of the bs. I suggest starting with a post from yesterday.
Thank you, Katie. This shows a real Patriot who applauds our Capitol police, denounces the Jan 6th insurrectionists, and finally understands trump is a danger. This one interview won't help America. But it may help your channel & viewers understand WE MUST RESIST.
Even though Pamela rejected her pardon, she is the only one out of the 1,500 that really deserves it. She realized she was wrong, took accountability, and accepted the consequences. It shows someone in MAGA is able to see the truth and leave. I hope other MAGA are able to open their eyes and finally leave the cult.
This lady did the right thing. Bless her heart and the officers who protected her and the capitol on Jan. 6. It is uplifting to hear her message in a time where morality,ethical behavior and telling the truth seems to be blowing in the wind.
People are not rational. People have beliefs and they use reasoning and logic to support their beliefs. It’s not easy to change beliefs. Check out Jonathan Haidt book “The Righteous Mind”. He explains it better than I can.
She admitted they were let in the building. WHY were they let in if they weren't supposed to be there? There are locks on the doors at the capital building. Why wasn't it locked tight? Why was there no security at the doors of the capital? I mean on the OUTSIDE of the building, making it impossible for them to enter? If they were such a threat, that building would have been impossible to get into. It had to be opened on purpose Then, in spite of that many were charged with trespassing. They had permission to be on the grounds. And its not trespassing if someone let them in the building, which we know happened Why was there no security on stand by to give an extra layer of security? And why did Nancy refuse to get extra security when it was offered to her and she was advised to over and over? Adequate security was part of Nancy's JOB. Why did many people witness buses of people there that were not part of the supporters for Trump that seemed out of place? Don't forget airtight evidence was found that Liz Cheney tampered with Cassidy Hutchinsons' original statement. She and Nancy tried deleting evidence, but investigators were able to recover it. Investigators found evidence it was SET UP to try to frame Trump and his supporters. Who else's testimony did she tamper with that hasn't come out yet? Why did Nancy and Liz try to hide video evidence of Trump telling his supporters to be sure to keep the protest peaceful? They tried to say he encouraged violence, but the EVIDENCE proves otherwise.
Just goes to show, if women ran the world there would never be anyone like a Trump in. power. The world would be a loving, peaceful glorious planet where EVERYONE thrives and has a decent home, food, and a life of freedom and joy.
Golden Soul. Here’s a Trump supporter with integrity and logic. (May be the only one ) I appreciate her very much. So every maga person really isn’t that bad ❤❤❤?
Why would you join a protest, peaceful or not, in your vulnerable physical condition. Why did you put yourself at risk?? And if you thought he was a criminal, why did you join his supporters? A cult leader? You are out of your dementia riddled mind.
@Savesomesorrow13 It's clear you misunderstood. In 2021, when she went, she did not think tRump was a criminal. She loved and supported him. That's why she went, because she was FULL-ON MAGA. After that, she began to think (and others helped her realize) the truth. Now she says he's a criminal, because he is.
Total respect for Pamela! That is what normal humans do when they make a mistake. No talk of party just a good American!
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What a breath of fresh air ♡ I hope she stays safe and stays strong.
I really appreciate how much integrity she’s showing with this decision. She was so articulate and thoughtful. 👏
Strong woman! Thank you Pam, and of course Katie for having her on.
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Thank you Katie for keeping it real and not normalizing dishonorable behavior with its deceit and lies. It's women that continue to remain strong, keeping their dignity and honor. Thank you Pam for your courage and strength. Bless you both!
This woman is a true patriot ! God bless her
The police on site saved her life. I'm glad that Hemphill is able to see clearly her part in the Jan 6th riot and not accept the pardon. x
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Bless you, Pam. You're a great human being and a true patriot.
She will be written about In the history books as a profile in integrity, humility and courage.
No, no one will give her a second thought.
No she won't, they don't write about or memorialize people with those character traits anymore. 😢
On Jan 18th of this year, someone started a Wikipedia article about Pam.
They have been relying on people not admitting reality. This lady is ahead of many, in realizing what is going on.
She is incredible and I send blessings to her. I pray for her safety because I worry that this interview this media will put her in danger. She is a very brave and courageous person.
Ms. Hemphill has courage. Thanks for speaking with Katie Couric.
As a victim of gaslighting and love bombing,i really understand the change of this lady. Afyer you know what's behind a malignant narcissist, you don't get in their trap again. But, the experience makes a mark on you that is hard to get rid of.
So true! Once bitten by a strongly malignant narcissist (i.e., a narcissistic psychopath), you know the world has "evil" people. They're a tiny fraction of our population, but they're very dangerous and they hide in society everywhere.
good to see someone who was once Maga see thru trumps lies. Well done Pam
She has just become my hero. God bless you.
She should get a pardon just for taking responsibility for her part!!!!! She's the only one out of almost 1600. How pathetic.
Imagine 45 years of recovery and she just acknowledged her 4th, 5th, 8th & 9th step!🥰
I'm not sure about this woman. It doesn't even sound like she was guilty for anything. If she was still outside, why is she guilty? Maybe she was paid to say these things.
@@karenkline7221 according to her Wikipedia article, she pleaded guilty to demonstrating, picketing, or parading IN a Capitol building. She disobeyed the guard who told her to rest by the gate and entered the building. She was seen inside the rotunda inviting other rioters to enter.
@@karenkline7221 from Wikipedia: "Hemphill pushed past police lines three times as the attack began. She was filmed asking for assistance from police after being in the crowd, stating that she had "had surgery," before going to the doors of the capital, disobeying the officer who had told her to rest by a gate.[6] She was later seen in the Capitol rotunda, telling fellow rioters to "come on in, come on, have fun... This is your house!"[2] She later stated again that she was hurt, telling officers that she had "40 stitches".[6] She was later escorted out by law enforcement.[2]"
@@karenkline7221she spent 60 days in prison! She pled guilty to being where she was not to be. She takes responsibility for her actions. Sounds fishy? Only to a MAGA would that sound fishy. Stop it. People can eventually wake up and leave cults.
It is the women who are standing up the the beast. Thank you Pamela.
Thanks for speaking out.
I had long wondered why so many attempt to defend him while being hateful to those who are truly trying to help them. Maybe there’s still hope for some.
Praying for special protection and blessing over this dear woman who is such a wonderful example of speaking the truth and escaping the Trump cult. Love from New Hope MN
So much respect for Pamela! Please protect her at all costs! ♥🙏
Stay safe Pam so very proud of you.
I'm so glad she saw the light and gets it. Good for her. She seems like a genuinely kind person. God bless you, Pam.
What a lovely honest lady. Thank you.
Integrity! All people are capable of this, by the way, and this is what it looks like if you are curious.
Knot everybody...
President Trump the greatest President in 50 years, a man of integrity who loves his country. So much winning! Thank you.
Right on Pamela! Thank you for speaking up about the truth! We all have eyes.
Thank you Katie Couric for your comittment to TRUTH!!!
Thank you Pamela for your truth, strength, caring and sharing. You are a true patriot and I respect you. Love from New York 🗽🌹💞🇺🇸
The one person who deserved a pardon!
Stay safe and be strong.. God bless you!🙏❤️
I love this woman. For so many reasons.
God bless you for your truth, Madam.💙
Thank you for sharing this story.
Thank you !
incredible woman, so articulate and thoughtful. Thank You for sharing your story.
She's a good woman and I want only the best for her.
So this woman is a real Republican, not a maga. God bless her.
She was deeply MAGA. Luckily she received treatment for her MAGA mind virus.
Thank you.
Pam, you are a wonderful example of integrity and accountability. 🇺🇸❤
Katie, thank you for sharing her story.
She’s a traitor and felon.
Summary of Pamela Hemphill's Interview:
Background: Pamela Hemphill, known as "MAGA Granny," is a 71-year-old retired drug and alcohol counselor from Boise, Idaho. She pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge related to her participation in the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot, receiving a sentence of 60 days in prison and three years of probation.
Motivation for Going to Washington: Pamela initially went to Washington D.C. for what she thought would be a fun event, having been involved in documenting Republican gatherings in Idaho. She was not anticipating the violent turn events would take.
Experience During the Riot: Pamela described an intense and dangerous scene where she was injured and nearly killed by the crowd, but was saved by Capitol Police. Her account illustrates her transition from participant to victim of the mob's actions.
Rejection of Pardon: Pamela explicitly rejected a potential pardon from former President Donald Trump, arguing that accepting it would dishonor the Capitol Police, undermine the rule of law, and contribute to the false narrative that the DOJ has been weaponized against January 6 rioters. She emphasizes personal accountability for her actions.
Change in Perspective: Initially, Pamela was part of the group that believed in the election fraud narrative propagated by Trump. Her views began to change post-incarceration, influenced by therapy and self-reflection, recognizing the manipulation tactics used by Trump akin to those of a cult leader.
Current Advocacy: Pamela has since taken on the role of debunking misinformation about January 6, aiming to correct the public's perception of the event. She faces significant backlash from former allies, including smear campaigns and threats, for her stance against the narrative pushed by some Trump supporters.
Public Perception and Personal Impact: Her decision to speak out and reject the pardon has led to personal attacks and ostracization from the community she once was part of, highlighting the social and personal costs of her change in viewpoint.
Key Insights:
Pamela's story illustrates the complex psychological and social dynamics at play among January 6 participants, showing how some individuals can experience a significant ideological shift post-event.
Her rejection of the pardon underscores a rare acknowledgment of personal responsibility in the context of political actions driven by misinformation or groupthink.
The interview reveals the ongoing impact of January 6 on personal lives, particularly for those who have publicly changed their stance or tried to correct narratives around the event.
Outstanding interview Katie.
This brave lady has a very important message with a unique perspective we should all consider. The MAGA movement represents a very serious mental health issue for the country. She was able to break free from the cult via therapy, which is probably the only way to resolve the MAGA delusions. That's very sobering.....how do you convince millions of people to seek therapy without insulting them?
Orange man bad cult is a disease.
We have many anti-cult mental health counselors. A very good one is Steven A. Hassan, PhD. He's written several books, and has given many interviews (on YTube) about how family members can help their afflicted MAGA kin. And yes, MAGA uses "mind control" techniques, so it IS definitely a mental health issue.
Honorable woman!!
If Dems need an example of an American hero, here she is.
Actually Republicans need this example as they are the ones that did it😂
My That is correct! ❤🎉@@Imbacksnitch
BLESS HER!!
A TRUE HEROINE! To step outside of the rhetoric to support the truth is so brave!!! She is The mother of Democracy and Justice! Every word - thank you!! Hire her Katie!!!!!!
She is doing the right thing I have much respect for her.
Im glad to hear her story. People don’t realize how much courage it takes.
It’s not easy to get out of a cult. Also Katie, hope you get Rev. Budde on.
The orange man bad cult is the only cult that needs getting out of. Being brainwashed for over a decade is going to take some reprogramming. Right Katie.
You’re great Pamela ❤ I salute you !!!
❤BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO❤ to you and Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde are both heros.
Bishop Budde is a homosexual who hates herself and wants approval for her behavior. She is a heathen and a political activist not a minister. She is despicable and speaks with a forked tongue.
🎉🎉🎉 Way to go 'MAGA Granny' I applauded your courage & strength for standing out for the truth. Your in par with Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde!!! I hope you can change your alias to 'WOKE Granny'
Respect. Very courageous woman.
Thanked you for your consideration Mrs. Pamela Hemphill for understanding right versus wrong, you're extraordinary person,to accept responsibility for your actions on January 6 2021,i hoped and pray to God,will forgive your sins.😢😊.
your very brave
thank you pam,, you;er a great lady.,,, u steped up...
I'm sorry dear, but if any of the J-6 people deserve to receive a pardon, it's you. Please take the Pardon!!!
I feel like that too, but the reasons she deserves a pardon in our eyes are the reasons she is rejecting it. What a wonderful woman.
You can’t reject a pardon…once given out it’s yours.
@ She has done a great job of rejecting it morally already. But she can also reject it in law - a pardon for a federal crime, as she was charged, is only officially recognized once the recipient has affimed it. That may be different for some state crimes.
@@Bellas1717 false…she’s pardoned whether she likes it or not.
@@allyson4970 A person may decide not to accept a pardon, in which case it does not take effect, according to a Supreme Court majority opinion in Burdick v. United States (1915). "A pardon is a deed, to the validity of which delivery is essential, and delivery is not complete without acceptance. It may then be rejected by the person to whom it is tendered; and if it is rejected, we have discovered no power in this court to force it upon him."
Happy to hear if you have other SCOTUS verdicts that negate this.
Love Granny
Total respect for Pamela and she is brave, has morality and courage to take her sentence and deny trumps pardon,,God Bless Her...
Respect you greatly!!!
Pam, if you need support, check out Sons of Liberty. He’s not for the faint of heart - he’s there for those who had enough of the bs. I suggest starting with a post from yesterday.
I'm glad you didn't die that day Granny. You don't need that maga sheit. Stay home and live in peace. ☮️✌️🙏🕊️
Pam seems like a very decent person. ❤
Thank you, Katie. This shows a real Patriot who applauds our Capitol police, denounces the Jan 6th insurrectionists, and finally understands trump is a danger. This one interview won't help America. But it may help your channel & viewers understand WE MUST RESIST.
Even though Pamela rejected her pardon, she is the only one out of the 1,500 that really deserves it. She realized she was wrong, took accountability, and accepted the consequences. It shows someone in MAGA is able to see the truth and leave. I hope other MAGA are able to open their eyes and finally leave the cult.
Bless you Pam! You are a rightious soul, stay centered. ✌😊
I have heard this amazing woman speak before. I believe she'd approached Eric and Don Jr (Trump) about Jan. 6th, and they just ignored her!
One reasonable voice. Good for her!
wah wah wah
Amazing interview! Bravo to both women.
Exactly Pam❤ Eyes wide open ⚖️
"fun thing to do" ?!? not knowing what was going to happen, she still thought it would be "fun" to hang out with them.
In 2021 she had MAGA "thinking" (delusions) about tRump and her peers. It's great to see she's rehabilitated, and now sees the truth & talks about it.
Granny sounds like a fed….
@Johnnydee123 You're engaging in paranoid "thinking"... that can hurt you.
Someone got into her head maybe an effect of the chemo
Respect for this woman for taking accountability.
Vicious is correct. Grateful for Pamela!
This lady did the right thing. Bless her heart and the officers who protected her and the capitol on Jan. 6. It is uplifting to hear her message in a time where morality,ethical behavior and telling the truth seems to be blowing in the wind.
This traitor and criminal should go back to prison then if she genuinely intended to insurrect the government.
Why are we not surprised of this Pamela
I am still curious what made her see the light - or why it took so long to do so. Are Trumpers intentionally blind? It seems so.
People are not rational. People have beliefs and they use reasoning and logic to support their beliefs.
It’s not easy to change beliefs.
Check out Jonathan Haidt book “The Righteous Mind”. He explains it better than I can.
🥰🙏
She admitted they were let in the building. WHY were they let in if they weren't supposed to be there? There are locks on the doors at the capital building. Why wasn't it locked tight? Why was there no security at the doors of the capital? I mean on the OUTSIDE of the building, making it impossible for them to enter? If they were such a threat, that building would have been impossible to get into. It had to be opened on purpose
Then, in spite of that many were charged with trespassing. They had permission to be on the grounds. And its not trespassing if someone let them in the building, which we know happened
Why was there no security on stand by to give an extra layer of security?
And why did Nancy refuse to get extra security when it was offered to her and she was advised to over and over? Adequate security was part of Nancy's JOB.
Why did many people witness buses of people there that were not part of the supporters for Trump that seemed out of place? Don't forget airtight evidence was found that Liz Cheney tampered with Cassidy Hutchinsons' original statement. She and Nancy tried deleting evidence, but investigators were able to
recover it. Investigators found
evidence it was SET UP to try to frame Trump and his supporters.
Who else's testimony did she tamper with that hasn't come out yet?
Why did Nancy and Liz
try to hide video evidence of Trump telling his supporters to be sure to keep the protest peaceful?
They tried to say he encouraged violence, but the EVIDENCE proves otherwise.
…thank you…
Was her son charged and in jail?
Just goes to show, if women ran the world there would never be anyone like a Trump in. power. The world would be a loving, peaceful glorious planet where EVERYONE thrives and has a decent home, food, and a life of freedom and joy.
Golden Soul. Here’s a Trump supporter with integrity and logic. (May be the only one ) I appreciate her very much. So every maga person really isn’t that bad ❤❤❤?
Grannie you also need to investigate the other story...
I think she is crazy
Anyone here upset they let the Peaceful Pro Life protester off too? Besides KAtie?
Are these comments made by bots. I bet Pam isn't even a Republican. Her story seems a bit fishy.
Just want stir up trouble
Wow….Katy has really aged. 😳
KC -VOID
very interesting
Does Katie still do manipulative video editing?
Why would you join a protest, peaceful or not, in your vulnerable physical condition. Why did you put yourself at risk?? And if you thought he was a criminal, why did you join his supporters? A cult leader? You are out of your dementia riddled mind.
@Savesomesorrow13 It's clear you misunderstood. In 2021, when she went, she did not think tRump was a criminal. She loved and supported him. That's why she went, because she was FULL-ON MAGA. After that, she began to think (and others helped her realize) the truth. Now she says he's a criminal, because he is.
Obviously a lonely cat lady, she's found friends, forced to interact with her? )Another granny suggested this!)
Katie has Trump Phobia.
Shame on you Katie, your no longer a truthful journalist, time to give it up
Yeah sure, washed up Couric should be ashamed
God bless her
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