A Back To The Future Plot Hole Finally Explained
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- The Back to the Future trilogy is one of the most beloved sci-fi franchises of the 20th century. The trilogy still has a loyal fan base and is gaining new followers regularly.
The time-traveling flicks have been watched over and over again, and fans can’t get enough of the fun-filled rides through 1955, 2015, and 1885. However, there has recently been a Twitter discussion between Guardian of the Galaxy director James Gunn and his leading actor Chris Pratt about a potential plot hole in Back to the Future.
Thankfully, Back to the Future screenwriter Bob Gale came to the rescue to resolve the plot hole concerns. Here’s what he had to say.
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Is Back To The Future a "perfect movie"?
No. No movie is perfect. Not even The Godfather, nor Casablanca, nor Gone with the Wind, nor Star Wars, nor Citizen Kane, nor... well, you get my point.
Looper I love back to the future so much that I had the opportunity to meet Christopher Lloyd and have a photo with him at a comic con in London a few years ago
How come everyone forgets that before Marty went back in time, his family life was terrible? When he returns, his life and his family's life have been altered for the better. That, for me, is the biggest plot hole.
Don't be a duded up egg suckin gutter trash.
@@quitethesnapper , the confidence he instilled in his father paved the way for success. Also, doing the opposite to the bully Biff.
You know you're getting old when you realise that more time has actually passed between the present day and when Back To The Future was made in 1985 (35 years), than the time between Marty McFly's journey from 1985 to 1955, (30 years).
Ohhhh man... You have made a good point....That's depressing. Life is short.
The second movie took place in 2015 😂
Linda LOGAN Life is actually not short. The older you get the faster it is time feels for you. Compared to when you were 5 years old, you didn’t have a lot of experience with time, a lot of new experiences, novel experiences but once you reach a certain age, you’re experienced with a lot of things and every year you feel it’s getting faster but in fact it’s still the same.
@@chunkynumnums
So "back to the future part 2" takes place in the past???
🤯
We all know Marty’s dad would of been like “so this is calvins son”
Maybe. If he wasn't the youngest of his siblings
Family Guy made fun of something like that
(would have*)
The Garniiics excellent observation. A first child might garner a Hmmm but not the third. Especially if Calvin disappeared after the dance.
David izrailov *would've
There is also a wild theory out there that Doc used the Delorean dozens of times more throughout the events of the movies because Marty died on several occasions. I mean how else do you explain Doc waiting at the end of the tunnel for Marty after being chased by Biff? Maybe he got ran over before and Doc knew to be there.
That's deep. And that makes alot of sense
@@alvexok5523 also when he jumped off of the building!!
Forget about his parents. Marty interacted more with Biff. I think he would remember the guy that changed his life forever.
Exactly..
Very good point
there is no way you forget the guy that got a truckload full of manure dumped on you.
Biff ends up realizing who marty is when they go to the future in the second movie.. biff steals the delorean n recognizes its marty from 1985.
@@markmac2206twice
But the thing is, when Marty leaves the dance Lorraine says “Marty, I like that name.” Meaning that she and George named their son after the guy who was responsible bringing them together. If you name your kid after someone, you’d probably remember that someone’s face.
If you saw someone a few times I doubt you’d remember their face especially 20 years (or however many Marty is) later. You’d probably forget how they look for the most part.
I’m assuming they probably would’ve forgot what he looked like because he wouldn’t have been in any yearbooks or anything.
That sounded very odd to me. If you like a name, you'd probably name your first son that; it's illogical to save the name for a son that might not be born.
All she said was it was such a nice name. She probably forgot it a week later but then thought about it again when it was time years later to name him. You guys are reading way too much into it
But he was named Marty before he went back in time and changed their family's future?
I'm more interested in why old Biff returns to the 2015 that he erased and not the future Biff world he created when he went back in time
Maybe he did..for all we know, hilldale in alternate 2015 May have been exactly the same.
and then how Marty and Doc would have been able to go back and stop him.
The Biff who went into time and gave the book returned to his current timeline. Doc explains how this works and so does physics when he gave his younger self the book, he returned to his present, unchanged and continued onward as such...his future undetermined. However, if you watched Back to the Future 2, Doc explains the moment his younger self got the book an alt-timeline formed, it is in this timeline Doc and Morty are in at that moment, as I said, the original Biff simply returned to his correct timeline unchanged... The Biff in that alt-timeline is the alt-Biff, not the one that handed him the book. And BTW, they didn't erase the original timeline, they simply trapped in the alt-timeline. Doc states this in Back to the Future 2 when he states that the original timeline continued onward as a split with the Alt-timeline. Their issue was they had to go back to the point of the spilt to undue they being trapped in the split.
@@StacieMMeier Yeah Doc and Marty are trapped in the future and can't get back.
RBweb _77 thank you! That’s the real plot hole.
Marty never called himself „Calvin Klein“. Lorraine thought that because it was written on his underwear.
He adopted that name and introduced himself as such in that time period
@@chezi34 Literally in the underwear scene he says they call him Marty. Even Lorraine's mother calls him Marty. Lorraine only refers to him as Calvin a few times at the beginning.
NoRestForTheWeary “My friends call me Marty.” As far as Lorraine is concerned, Marty is Calvin’s nickname
So they named their son after the person who got them together.
John P That’s not likely. If they were to name their child after Marty, it would’ve been their firstborn.
Let’s be honest, anyone with a brain never wondered why Marty’s parents didn’t recognize they looked exactly the same.
Can't believe people didn't already know this
IT’S ACTUALLY KIND OF SAD. MARTY AFTER CHANGING THE FUTURE WOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO MEMORIES OF HIS LIFE (better house, better iobs, vacations, etc.) HE WOULD ONLY REMEMBER THE SHITTY PAST.
In End Game, the events of the time heist and their devices, allowed them to return to their exact timeline--not an altered version of the timeline.
In BTTF, Marty doesn't have this privilege. He returns to a timeline that is not his own. He returned to a timline that he--himself--had altered. He didn't come out clean. Therefore, not everything is fixed. But I do believe that he just willingly settles for what he has.
Ever watch the Simpsons episode when he has the magical toaster that jumps him through time. Eventually, he settles.
What we do if we were Marty? Would qe seek to fix everything and make everything as it should be? Go back in time and not interfere? Then come back and live out the original timeline?
unless the movie the butterfly effect is correct and once back he would have all those memories catch up to his brain
@@JMoviesMedia this is why you need a Reading Steiner, lolz, i believe Steins ; Gate does a much better explanation of time line differences and the paradoxes
Back to the Future 4: Marty This Is Your Life
That’s because it’s not *his* family etc. It belongs to the version of Marty we see leaving at the end.
Maybe they do remember him, its just that the audience only sees a few minutes of screen time of the new timeline.
you didnt watch this video right? take the 4,5 min and watch the video
Exactly: for us it was a few minutes between Calvin Klein in 1955 and Marty MFly in 1985, but for Marty's parents it was 30 years.
The coincidence of two people 30 years apart looking a bit like each other is an almost certainty, there have been more than few "Hey! This guy [a famous person] looks just like [this notorious historic figure]." over the years.
@@JMoviesMedia Why wouldn't they remember her? and why would George think she is Lorraines daughter?
the plot hole i wanna know is this. When old biff takes the sports almanac to young biff why does he end up in the right timeline where he took the delorian instead of the alternate reality?
The new timeline was not created until 1958 when Biff first used the almanac to bet, so when Biff returned to 2015 the timeline old Biff left still existed.
Ok, I've read all the posts in this thread and I've just gone through BTTF Part 2 and I will explain what I think happens: When old Biff returns to 2015 in the Delorean he is shown to immediately suffer a heart attack and drop dead (this happens just as Doc and Marty are putting Jennifer back inside the Delorean outside Jennifers house - Jennifer has just passed out).That suggests that the 2015 that old Biff returns to has indeed changed in some way, and clearly at that point in time Biff has died, so, old Biff immediately drops dead. This clears things up. What isn't clear, however, is when Biff has actually died.
When they go back to the 1985 where Biff is now rich and in control, that segment ends with Biff being knocked unconscious by the Delorean door, allowing Marty to make his escape from Biff, who has a gun in his hand and is about to shoot Marty. It is not made clear whether that incident with the Delorean door actually kills Biff or merely renders him unconscious, but the fact that we are shown that old Biff immediately drops dead when he gets out of the Delorean in 2015 signifies that Biff has already died in the past. The Biff in 1985 seems to be a high-living addict, so it is extremely likely that he would die earlier than 2015 in that new timeline. I hope that clears things up.
@@hambisdelaney Biff doesnt suffer a heart attack, he disappears from existence just like Marty was in the first movie because he is no longer the future Biff being represented in the past.
There has to be some time for events to still ripple and change the future . Otherwise Marty would have disappeared the moment he interfered with George being hit by the car. Technically that moment he ruined the future and thus himself being born but didn't start to actually disappear until days later at the Enchantment Under the Sea Dance. The changing tombstone was another example in BTTF 3. It changed from Doc's name to blank to Marty's (Eastwood) to being completely disappeared as events happened.
If anything, once they found out Calvin Klein was this huge boss of an underwear company, they prob just figured that’s what happened to him and forgot completely of any resemblance to their son Marty.
But in all honesty, Marty’s g/f literally became a new person in the sequels and no one batted an eye...
Maybe it was an effect from Marty's time travel that took a bit to catch up, LOL. XD
In France, instead of Calvin Klein, It's Pierre Cardin...
It's because she was not available for the installments due to personal reasons.
Because no person has the same as someone else?
the first actress was wayy prettier.
When l think of this “plot hole” lm just reminded of that joke family guy did about George accusing Lorraine of sleeping with “ Calvin Klein” and that their son 30 years later looks similar 😂
I call B/S. I am 50 years old. I remember every girl I ever had a crush on when I was in my teens, whether it was for an hour, a day, a semester or longer. Every face is permanently etched in my memory.
No, they would've thought their kid had a resemblance. That's it.
He already did weigh in on Lang's assessment. It's called Back the the Future II. They created a time paradox when Biff stole the Delorian. And, they never officially stated that Marty fixed his "former present" in part one. I'd like to assume he also created a "new future", because when he got back, everyone was better. His family were successful and healthy.
What if George thought Calvin Klien was Marty's dad, and he's not the father! Relationship destroyed 20 years later. 🤔
I don't think so cause they had 2 kids be4 marty.
@@notoriousmigz2427 who's to say that lorraine couldn't have "caught up" with her high school fling after the first 2 kids?
dna test
@@wick6208 George when it comes to Marty, you are NOT the father!
Bryan Easterday lol
I wanna know what happened to the Delorean that Marty left in town after returning from 1955. Did he just leave it there?
The idea that both of them would forget "random guy" THAT ENDS UP LOOKING EXACTLY LIKE THEIR SON... The "random guy" who was heavily involved on the **insane** night they got together for what would be the rest of their lives - come on. This is a lame excuse IMO
Still a classic movie though
And the mom tried to hook up with him in the car
EXACTLY!! I was going to comment similarly...He wasn't just some random kid who was there for a week, he had MAJOR interaction with BOTH of them. Forget him?, nope.
Get out of town. I challenge you to draw an accurate picture of the hotel clerk from a vacation your family took 30 years ago--especially if you never went to that spot again. Exciting time--check. Someone you saw daily--check. Get every detail right, now! No looking them up on the Internet first.
Yes, I would remember something when I see that face again
One thing that used to really bug the hell out of me as a kid is how Doc, Marty and his girlfriend could meet their future selves in part 2. Wouldn't they have been missing for 30 years (and possibly Doc being sought by authorities for questioning)? I mean it's not like they have clones that jump out of the bushes and take their place the second they leave.
THAT is a real plot hole :) There should be no Marty, Jennifer or Doc in 2015.
Number two should never of happened as things Could of been sorted through the natural course of time by simply moving from the area. Something doc mentions in the first film I think 🤔 but it is just a film.
I think they knew when he burnt the rug when he was younger
J Movies & Media Bingpot
That's when they named him Marty.
Sorry, but gale can’t get away with that too easily. They were able to remember Marty’s name long enough to even name him Marty again. Scene when when Marty finally leaves his parents:
Lorraine - “Marty...such a nice name”
Here plot hole when Marty goes from 1955 to 1885 he somehow breaks a gas line on the DeLorean and later Doc blows out the fuel injector there for force them to hijack a train to push The Time Machine to 88 miles per hour when all they need to do is get the gas and fuel injector off the second DeLorean that sent doc back to 1885.
HUGE
The DeLorean that Marty used WAS the same DeLorean that got hit by lightning in#2.
For me what makes a perfect movie is even if there's plot holes as long as they're small and the movie Just flows perfectly and doesn't make you want to pick it apart then it's perfect. Some movies and matter how good they are make you want to tear them apart. Back to the Future never made me want to do that.
Exactly. I don't think there is a such thing as perfect movie. Just too darn great for me to care.
I was hoping it was the plot hole of biff taking the time machine changing the timeline but being able to return it to the timeline where doc and Marty where
It's similar to why Marty didn't disappear immediately when Lorraine's dad hit him with his car since he interfered with his mom and dad's original meeting and why his brother and sister slowly disappeared from the picture instead of immediately. I guess the changes happen gradually. Every time travel movie has its own rules I guess.
Dan Elicker for doc and marty maybe but it would be instant for biff and if it was so slow to change why couldn’t they go back and stop Marty from buying the almanac in the first place
But as doc explains that 2015 no longer exists so again why was biff able to bring it back?
Aaron Dostal, maybe he did. Maybe when they change the timeline they replace their alternative selfs in the timeline they are in. It sounds ridiculous but that could explain all the paradoxes and plot holes. Trying to make it work differently is nearly impossible and a complete waste of time when you have so many paradoxes and plot holes li
Biff coming back to the wrong future is the plot hole I was hoping for...
The plot hole I was looking for was, where did Johnny B Goode come from if existed before Marty went back in time.
@@Mark73
That's not a plot hole. It's a paradox. It's like the grandfather paradox where if you go back in time and kill your grandfather etc,.
@@asestria It's a plot hole since the writers have time travel working in two different ways.
@@Mark73
Are you talking about Johnny B Goode or Biff, because Johnny B Goode is a paradox. Look on RUclips for time traveling paradoxes. As for Biff's return...He returned to the same future because his younger self hadn't changed the past yet. When Doc and Marty return to the alternate 1985, they returned 30 years after Biff's actions began to change the future which causes the alternate timeline. At that point, in the alternate 1985, the year 2015 would yet to exist.Therefore, Biff could only return to the original timeline of 2015 from whence he came. In other words, Biff jumped ahead of time before any of the past changes could change the future.
@@asestria I never mentioned Biff. I'm talking about the song Johnny B Goode and how Chuck Berry's cousin called him from backstage and let him listen to Marty's playing.
The song existed before Marty went back in time, even though there are all these other changes that we only see after Marty gets back (Twin/Lone Pine Mall, Marty's family being wealthy, Clayton/Eastwood Ravine). If Chuck Berry was going to write it anyway, what was the point of the scene? If someone else originally wrote it, all the scene did was steal the fame from the original songwriter.
I'm familiar with the Beethoven dialogue from Doctor Who. Everything else in BttF says that time travel doesn't work that way in this series. That there are no self-sustaining paradox cycles, that nothing has "always been that way _because_ of the person traveling back in time. That when you travel back in time, things that you do in the past cause observable changes when you return to the future. The Johnny B Goode thing is the sole exception to that in the whole series.
Even if they did recognize Marty as Calvin, we would not have seen the recognition within the movie. When Marty returned from 1955 he altered the timeline to the one where his father stood up to Biff. He has no recollection of his past years in this timeline, so, his parents may have mentioned the resemblance before, but after 16 years, why would they still bring up?
And this one:
At the end of Back to the future 1 , Marty and Jennifer go to the future to fix some family problems, here’s the trick
How can they have a future if they left the present ? 🤔
Alternate timelines. Similar to Terminator just not as dark
Because quantum physics
Its just one of million of possible futures
Jai Macoy a true genius
My head hurts now.
A better question is how did Biff get back to 2015 when he changed the timeline?
Len Mulaski no I mean when Biff took the book to 1955, why did he return to same 2015 he left in and not an alternate 2015?
Romaro Brandon basically the old biff had to go back to that future of 2015 because he originated from there however once he was there that created a new timeline in which big is rich and possibly old, yet the timeline is stopped obviously from Marty and doc in part 2 so we never see that alternative universe of biff in 2015 rich. Yet again its only a movie so they can only show so much without people getting to confused
christopher portillo but, it was old Biff that returned to prime 2015 not the Marty and Doc of alternate future 2015.
@@christophernsmb300 If Biff had to go back to the 2015 that he originated from then Marty and Doc should have gone back to their original version of 1985. If 2015 rich Biff did not exist because Marty and Doc stopped it from happening, they stopped it from happening in 1955 so the 1985 alternate timeline wouldn't have existed either.
@@RomaroBrandon the 2015 future they were in where old Biff originated from was a different timeline, which is why nothing changed until they went back to 1985 as the 1955 timeline had been changed due to the book. Although I see your point too and one could also hypothesize why you are right too.
Its right there in the film. George and Loraine attribute their love to the confrontation George had with Biff, not Loraine's 6 day long crush. The fact that Calvin Klein is a real person, they may remember some kid who appeared and disappeared in a week as someone who later went on to create a fashion empire. No, the bigger problem is why did Old Biff return to the same 2015 he left and not the 2015 as a consequence of Biffco's alternate timeline.
I remember many of my classmates and I would remember one I went out with. If they think their son looks like the guy from 30 years ago, I doubt that would suspect he was their son via time travel. As for their father suspecting something, remember that they met him 30 years ago and he is 17 in the movie and therefore, he would have had to hook up with her later.
Part 2 (which is also my favorite) has a bigger plot hole. After Biff alters the time line, Doc/Marty shouldn't exist like when 2015 Biff was disappearing because 85A Marty's in boarding school, and 85A Doc's locked up. Based off the article of him being locked up, it was before the events of BttF 1, so if we use their internal movie logic, the same should have applied to them.
Excellent point, if Marty's actions can change the time line then Biff's should have also.
What? Just what? No one asked this.
If it helps, I was a junior in high school when that movie came out. I see pictures on FB now of kids I was in school with at that time and can't even remember their names, what classes I shared with them, and look at how they've aged and don't recognize them. I mean, in the movie, how Long was Marty even back at that school in 1955, about a week?? That's really not long enough to commit to memory if no pictures were taken.
"...the title itself is weird, like how do you go back to the future?"
my mom used to tell me that, (*i always lol'ed a lot 🤣 when she says it)
Really? You don't get that??? Considering they not only mention that in the movie as what he has to do but they also overly emphasise it so it stands out... _"Next saturday night, we're sending you BACK to the FUTURE!!"_
I can't believed that was a question.
A person living in the present can say that they want to go back to the past because the past for them has already occurred. Therefore, a time traveler who travels to the past can say that they want to go back to the future because the future for them has already happened.
Like, it wouldn't make sense for us (people of the present) to say we want to go back to the future, because the future for us hasn't happened yet. However, if we were to travel back to the past, then it would make sense for us to say back to the future because we were once in the future and the future for us has already occurred.
This never really bothered me. You know what did bother me? The fact that at the end, Marty says "Hey Doc, we better back up, we don't have enough road to get up to 88." when you can clearly see at least a quarter mile of empty road ahead of them. It's almost certainly a lazy mistake where they filmed the car on a long street after having filmed the in-car scenes. Someone apparently thought that showing the car on a long street looked more cinematic even though the visuals contradict Marty's line. It makes Marty look stupid that he thinks a huge stretch of road isn't enough room after having achieved 88 miles an hour in a parking lot.
Much Surprised to Marty Mcfly ‘s parents....How there is a giant company called Calvin Klein underwear?
ThePeacebro11 Only Lorraine knew Marty‘s full name: Calvin „Marty“ Klein. 😉
Now if someone could only get the esteemed Mr. Gale to clear up the question of how old Biff was able to return to the same 2015 from which he departed rather than the 2015 of the alternate timeline he created. That has always been what I perceived as the greatest plot hole in the BttF franchise.
No, Marty's parents give him a look when his girlfriend comes over and they talk about his truck. It's not just a look like "he's with his girl. Let's leave him alone". It's way more of a look than that. It's a look that says "that's him. He saved our relationship. Now let's leave him to save his own.". I've never once thought that that look was just a simple" leave him alone with his girlfriend.". This has been my all time favorite move since I was 5 (in 1993) and THE movie that got me into astrophysics, more specifically, time travel.
Martin Garcia Agreed Martin! I just watched this with my daughter the other and I’ve been saying the same thing for years now!
I don’t think so. Otherwise they would have freaked out. I know I’d be freaked out.
I don’t think so. Otherwise they would have freaked out. I know I’d be freaked out.
why would they realize that on that day? Marty looked the same the day before that and the day before that and...
PLOT HOLE: James Gunn and Chris Pratt are actually *not* "two of the coolest dudes in Hollywood."
Chris is, James isn't.
Passing thought: What if George did recognize his son as Calvin a few years before he went back? So George put 2 and 2 together and went to have a talk with Doc Brown.
He wouldn't. Considering he would being seeing his son everyday, he would grow accustomed to Marty's face first and then just have a recollection that this guy he once knew had a vague similarity to his son (if as they mention, he remembers what he looked like at all).
The sad thing about it all, is that Marty would have been lost in the new 1985. He would have no memories of anything his "other self" would have experienced. No memories of birthdays, weddings, vacations, friends, ex-girlfriends. I don't think he would be happy.
Most people don’t think about this “plot hole” all that much, ‘cause it’s just a show, and not meant to be taken seriously.
Besides, how many times have you seen a uncanny coincidence photo spread on the Internet where they have a photo of some modern person posing next to a hundred year old painting or photo, and you notice that the person in the picture who died a couple of hundred years ago bears an uncanny resemblance to the modern person holding the painting? And apparently I look like a generic white guy, because people that I have never met before have stoped me on the street and called me by a different name and told me stories about things we supposedly did together back in the day (In other words, they have obviously confused me with someone else who looks sorta like me). It’s not that uncommon to run into people who looks like someone that you used to know, and you just shrug and go on with your life without giving that coincidence a second thought - obviously Marty’s parents thought the same thing.
Maybe the script writers could have slipped in a line where Marty’s parents said something about how weird it was that Marty vaguely resembled a kid that they used to know back in school, but it really would not have added much to the story, and like I said, most people know that it’s just a show, and they don’t really stop to ponder all of the plot holes, because that would ruin the fun if you think about it too much.
So true, as you mentioned, it is just a movie and it's implied that people need to suspend their disbelief and just be entertained. Yet so many people go _Oh, I can totally believe in time travel, but I can't believe they wouldn't recognise someone!" Really?? That's what you have trouble believing?
I NEVER thought this was a plot hole, and his explanation seems like common sense to me.
I found more confusing how changing the past both did and didn’t change Marty. He clearly remembered the old timeline, but his ease at being goaded into doing things (“Are you CHICKEN?”) didn’t emerge until the past was changed (that we observed), indicating that in the new timeline he was more of a hothead. Either changes to the timeline altered his personality or it didn’t. If it did, his memories should conform to the new reality.
yea because he was part of the old timeline, what gets me is lorraine still had that same marty.
But mommy had the hots for Marty? How many of us actually forget what our teenage crushes looked like? :D
Me
I had more crushes than a pop machine.
The entire BTTF trilogy is one of the best motion picture achievements in movie history. Name another trilogy that holds up as well as BTTF...
The Orginal Star Wars, the Orginal Indiana Jones, and Lord of the Rings.
@@davelanger temple of doom was lame and you know it. It also was sort of separate from the main story line of christian artifacts (the ark and the grail) vs nazis. I'd agree on SW except for the colossal money gran of the franchise over the last 15 years (which sort of nullifies SW even being a trilogy. LOTR?? Seriously? 😎
Wait, if they remembered him as Calvin Klein, then later revealing his name as Marty to his parents, wouldn't them naming their child Marty mean that they remembered him as Marty? They had to have gotten that name somewhere
Maybe they just liked the name. Of course they heard it somewhere and they thought, I like that name.
@@kalimaxine No, they heard it from him. It's what his dad has been calling him after the dance in the 1st movie and what his mom kept saying after he left the dance. They heard the name from him, which probably means that they do remember Marty not just by Calvin, but as Marty as well. It's not that common of a name
“MARTY, that’s a really nice name.” -Lorraine
@@edmorris2466 right, they remembered him as Marty too
If they liked the name "Marty", why did they name their YOUNGEST son Marty, but not their OLDEST son?
The biggest plot hole is how they only had 1 pizza for 5 adults in BTTF2
Id think you'd remember the face of someone who was single handedly responsible for your marriage
In Marty's photo, why do his siblings disappear piece by piece, but he begins to fade out as a whole before Loraine & George kiss?
It’s amazing how THE MOST PERFECT TRILOGY IN HISTORY is still recognised today!
The answer to ALL the plot holes is a simple and TRUE answer: ALTINATE TIMELINE. Marty and Doc created at least 2 different timelines when they interacted with people from the past. In the MAIN timeline, Marty's parents got together due to fate and NOT Calvin/future Marty. NOW Marty created an ALTERNATE TIMELINE by bringing them together. TIME TRAVELLING MOVIES/SHOWS SUCK BECAUSE OF THESE PLOT HOLES WITH MULTIPLE OUTCOMES.
In the marvel universe generaly there is no time travel back to change the present - you just make more alternative 'universes'
Insidious DrNine who gives a shit? Those movies are awful.
Here is one, BTF 3, They lost all the fuel. Why not dig up the delorean buried in the mine and empty the fuel tank?
Before BTTF was a planned trilogy. The original alternate ending had George McFly (Crispin Glover) look at a photo of Calvin Klein (Michael J. Fox).
Where George the sci-fi writer speaks to himself, saying "Nah, couldn't be..."
easy to come out with something them to come out with something to back that up
@@joseanrodriguez2005 I had the same question (as many people did). You could even read it in the original script for the movie.
@@mr.sleepy4534 bruh i need a link, you arent bullshitting are you
@@jd5726 I would never do that to a fellow BTTF fan. :)
A bigger plothole is that in part 3 on Doc's gravestone in mentions Clara Clayton being his partner. What about Clayton Ravine? She was meant to have fallen of that before she made to Hill Valley. Also if Doc knew that Biff was going to shoot him over the money..Why not just pay him?
If Doc paid Biff then he wouldn't be shot. If Doc wouldn't be shot, he wouldn't have died. If Doc didn't die on September 7th, 1885, he wouldn't be buried in the cementary beside the abandoned mine. Therefore, Copernicus wouldn''t have found Doc's grave. Therefore Marty wouldn't have known about Doc's demise.....which is the literal reason why he went back to 1885.
In short, it would cause a paradox that would either erase Marty from 1885 at the very least or cause the space time continuum to implode right there and then.
@@TheZProtocol
Professor Hulk couldn't of said it better himself.
Adventure Time type beat
I've been saying this for years, but Gale brings up something that I didn't consider - George and Lorraine didn't see him every day of the week Marty was in 1955, which would have made their memory of him even more vague
The problem with Gale's explanation is that Marty was not just a kid at their high school. Marty was heavily invested in both their lives for that time and would likely not be forgotten, especially given the people those two grew in to after that interaction.
George figured it out. Over the years- Star Wars, Star Trek, Calvin Klein, board and other hints from the future Marty unintentionally gave. He remembered alright. He even wrote a book.
That scene at the end, where he's standing with Loraine at the door, looking at Marty and his new car. You see his smile. That was- thanks son, for everything.
I'm still surprised and puzzled how and why Marty's dad believe Marty is his son but not the past Marty's son cos he would surely sees the face/resemblance of the past Marty in his son's face(if you know what I mean), He might have doubts if Marty is his own son or the past Marty's son or is he really that stupid to understand or too afraid to understand!! Hahah
I never saw that as a plot hole because I figured it was what Bob Gale just confirmed, which is that they wouldn't remember him vividly.
I have a theory that doc is the Child of his child that means hé is his grandpa
Tim Westerveld so Doc Brown is Phillip J. Fry 😂
Bob Gale just said what I always have said.
I barely remember the faces of my classmates from 10th grade. Which was just 3 years ago
If u see dis u will have the best life ever and u will success
The thing is though we're not talking about some random stranger that had little or no impact on George and Lorraine's lives. "Calvin Klein" was hit by Lorraine's father's car, and "Calvin" played and sung the song at their high school dance. A guy that was brought into your home by your dad after he got hit by his car who also end up singing and playing guitar (a song that became popular performed by a r&b star at that) should have at least left a very vivid impression on Lorraine if not George.
So the whole "he was only around them for about a week so he wouldn't make enough of an impression for them to remember him many years later" ignores the events of the movie where he did make a lasting impression.
The bigger problem is in Back to the Future 3.... Marty's paternal great great grandmother (is there another "great") looked exactly like his mother.
A Family Guy cut away solved the problem. George remembered Calvin from thought his wife was cheating on him with Calvin, claiming Marty looks exactly like Calvin which makes him Calvin's son. It was hilarious.
Lol Today my wife was asking me the same question. I then told her: "why the hell would they remember Marty's face since they had only met him for a week and never seen him in 30 years. Can't you remember your classmates' faces 20-25 years ago? I can't! "
Not really a plot hole. Bob makes a great point, I can barely remember kids from a few years ago, let alone 25 years ago.
I get that you wouldn't remember someone from your past that you came in contact only for a couple of days but wouldn't you remember the person that is responsible for setting you up and ultimately your marriage. Just a thought.
That they named one of their kids Marty suggests they remembered the person, but it's quite possible they don't remember exactly what he looks like. Maybe vaguely, but probably not exactly. Gale has it right: as Marty got older, he would have started to look more and more like that weird kid who they met for a week then disappeared. But without photo reference (like their old yearbook), it would be impossible to confirm.
Of course, if I'm George, and I remembered how much Lorraine had the hots for that Calvin kid, then saw how much my third child resembles that foggy memory, I would be scheduling an appearance on the Maury Povich show ASAP.
Not to mention the kid that played guitar at your prom.
I agree with the answer..
But there is another plot hole.
1. In BTTF 2, why do they bother to fix Marty's Family problem in 2015.. it wouldn't affect Marty's life in 1985 anyway.. and once 2015 hits, they already know what is going to happen and that is enough to fix the problem..
2. In BTTF3, when Marty went back to 1885 to rescue Doc Brown with the modified Delorean, they could have just fixed the fuel line and obtain the fuel from Doc's DeLorean to fix Marty's DeLorean.
I think a big plot hole is the way the time machine runs. In the first movie, Marty asks Doc during the Twin Pines Mall scene if the time machine runs on gasoline. Doc immediately says no, that the time machine is powered with the electricity harness by nuclear reactions, even though we can clearly hear the combustion engine running during the demonstration. We see Doc inserting plutonium (lmao) into the machine to power the flux capacitor, later he converts the machine to use future tech to extract "fuel" from just about anything. And even later in the third movie, Marty and Doc are stranded in the past because the time machine had a leak in the gas line and they can't start the car and get it up to 88mph.
Why the hell would you make such a volatile machine use a combustion engine just to get rolling when it's already literally powered by nuclear fission? A couple of chargeable solar cells would have been more than enough for the demands of reaching 88mph.
Well, there is one major plot hole that has not been explained. But many people have a difficult time understanding the concept.
When Marty needed to back to the future but could not think of a way of getting all those gigavolts of electricity, he notices the newspaper clipping. The newspaper article made note of a lightning strike to the clocktower one fateful night, making the clock come to a stop at 10:04 pm.
Everyone assumes that means that the actual time was 10:04. _Not necessarily_ All Marty knew was that the clock said 10:04 when it got stuck. _There is no reason that the actual time had to be __10:04_
So when Doc and Marty were running short on time, noticing the clock approach 10:04, and not quite being ready yet, they had an easy solution to give themselves more time. All doc had to do was to manually move the minute hand back 15 minutes and he would have had 15 more minute to get ready. Remember, all he knew was that the lightning would not strike until the minute hand hit four while the hour hand was on 10.
If he need more time again, he could have moved the hands back a second time, as long as he does that before the minute hand hits 4. And, if he were ready, he could have summoned the lightning strike by moving the minute hand forwards.
If Doc Brown was as smart as he is suppose to be, he would have figured that out. And if the screen writer was as smart as he thinks he is, he would have noticed that too.
The biggest plot hole is at the beginning of Back to the Future Part II, wherein Marty and girlfriend skip 30 years into the future, but the older versions of themselves are somehow there in 2015 for them to interact with. How? They skipped those 30 years, just like the dog skipped the minute at the beginning of film 1. When they get in Doc’s Delorean, and fly to the future, there’s no extra version of themselves left behind in 1985, to simultaneously exist and marry and have kids, while the younger versions of themselves are flying into the future. Instead, while their younger versions were in the car skipping those decades, their existence was erased and their parents would have searched for them frantically, and they would have eventually been presumed dead.
And the reason they wouldn't suspect marty was from her cheating is that they could just point back to the 1885 McFly family and note how much he looked like his great great grandpa (or however many greats it was back)
Here’s a major plot hole at the end of BTTF2.. how does the lightning strike cause the DeLorean to travel through time when the car wasn’t traveling 88mph
I never really thought about this, the thing I’m confused about is how doc still had the letter Marty wrote about him getting killed by the terrorists.
Thank you, Bob Gale for putting an end to the decades-long BTTF debate.
I couldn't honesty go through and shore up every plot hole in this movie with a plausible explanation.
There is no way that George and Lorraine don’t remember Calvin/Marty. He had such an impact in their lives and even recognized it while it was happening. It could be that they think that Marty just ended up looking exactly like Calvin and that it’s all just a major coincidence. But that’s just what I think.
The "plot hole" that i found more curious is, when Marty's goes back to 1885 to get Doc, the fuel tank of the Delorean is broken, the car won't start because he lost all the fuel. Why the didn't try to get the fuel in the Delorean in wich Doc arrived? I know fuel as a shelf life but i think it's more than the 6 months Doc has been in 1885.
Another thing I want to know is why Marty's great great grandfather looks exactly like him but nothing like his father or siblings.
I do think back to the future 2 answered question. In how they couldn’t go into the future from 1985, to save 1985 from Biff. Remember how they went to 2015 and that’s how old biff got the almanac, then he went back to give the book to his 1955 self. Doc explains that they can’t go into the future from 1985 because they will be traveling into their new timeline. They have to go to 1955 to stop old biff from giving young biff the almanac.
Bob doesn't give a shit about Looper..
When I saw the link, I was hoping it would resolve the two Delorean problem in Back to the Future 3. Doc Brown took one DeLorean to 1885 and buried it in a mine, then another DeLorean was created when Marty travelled back to save him. So why not just get gas out of the DeLorean in the mine?
I'm curious why in part 3, Mary meets his grandfather that looks like him, his grandmother that looks like his mom but their last name is McFly. WTF?
Marty met his grandparents in part 1. He had to play his great great grandfather in part 2 because the actor who played his father quit the movie series and sued production for using his likeness in part 2.
@@Apryll. No, I'm aware of the Crispin Glover debacle. What I mean is in the 3rd one when he falls in the wild west, he wakes up on his distant relative's farm. There he meets a woman that looks like his mother, who is married to a man that looks like him but their last name is McFly. How did a woman who looks like his mother have the last name McFly, when that was the name of his father?
His parents are siblings
I wish they had the actors who played Marty's brother and sister, play his ancestors in the 3rd one.
Because that's George side of the family(Ancestors) that's why their last name was McFly
I’m thinking about having a Back to the Future trilogy themed Halloween party. Good idea or GREAT idea?
It's simple enough in the DVD FAQs. They stated that time travel is a fantasy and there is no one to prove or disprove anything about time travel. It's a staged scenario and that's all there is to it. Just like video games that allows you to perform sorcery left and right, but you can't go somewhere you are not allowed to go.
The argument in Avengers is what is referred to Split time travel, versus Looped time travel as what we see in Back to the Future. Scientists have been debating which is more likely the truth for awhile
None of Emmet's experiments worked before and yet he held Marty Infront of the delorean with him as it came right at them.
Nevermind that potential plot hole,what about the fact that Marty goes back to save Doc from the old west and when he does he breaks the fuel line so in order to get the Delorean up to 88mph they use a train,which is absolutely plausible,but NO ONE mentions the fact that there are 2 Deloreans there,the one Doc went back in after getting struck by lightning,and the one that Marty uses to go back to save him,and as far as Loraine and George not remembering Marty because so long ago and do you remember everyone you went to school with theory for me goes out the window when you really think about it,he was more than just some random school mate,he was a pretty big part of getting them together,he played on stage the first night they kiss, Loraine even says how much she likes his name after he leaves,and need I mention the fact that he says if one of your kids sets fire to carpet when he's 8 to go easy on him,this doesn't in the slightest remind them of him 🤔🤷
Also why after saying that Marty would be a great name do they still name their first kid Dave?
There's one single thing NEVER addressed in any time travel stories. If you travel to the future, you yourself shouldn't there to interact with the world, therefore you can't possibly encounter your future-self, and because of that, the future you travel too should be entirely different since you stop existing in that world the moment you started to time-travel.
That's why it's called back to the future. Because when you go to the past, the past becomes your future. Get it?
Haha Exactly.
Great timing.Just finished the series yesterday
What I want to know is why was "save the clock tower" a thing, it was a common thunder storm and the tower was struck, what's so significant about that that a group of people thought it should stay broken for decades.
I remember several people that I barely interacted with at my high school, 45 years ago. They had life changing interaction with Marty, so the writer's explanation is a little thin. Loved the movie, saw this plot hole and didn't care.