I enjoyed this conversation with Keoki. Here's the outline (click on the timestamp to jump to that part in the video). If you'd like to add other moments to it, please post timestamps and titles as replies: 0:00 - Introduction 1:55 - Lockheed Martin favorite projects 4:44 - Space exploration 11:44 - Landing on an asteroid 15:00 - Human-AI collaboration in space 21:58 - Boeing 737 MAX and culture of safety 27:21 - Lockheed Martin systems overview 31:56 - Skunk Works innovation milestones 42:18 - Future of autonomy in flight 50:05 - AI arms race and the role of AI 58:47 - Nuclear deterrence 1:04:37 - Military industrial complex 1:07:33 - SpaceX and competition 1:10:13 - Future of Lockheed Martin
He was actually setting people up for when he had to smile and lie to a question, his smile would not tip his hand that he was lying. Its a pretty smart tactic.
Hi Lex, your approach/style and questions, make these podcasts super interesting and the people you are interviewing are amazing. Keep up the great work!
@anatoli p Not quite. They had nearly zero conversation regarding space. Their discussion centered comletely around AI, automation, self driving, data, driver monitoring etc. I know because I listened to the podcast 3 times because I couldn't understand in first attempt. lol
CTO of Lockheed sitting in front of you, and you say, SR71 is that the reconnaissance one? I love you Lex lol great job, great podcast. I wish you alluded to the secrets that he wont say but is known to those who look, especially as a Russian!
Damn this was pretty awesome to listen to. i cannot believe i have never heard of such an amazing company before in my life. it seems like for us normal people who are unlikely to ever be their clients its not too weird.
Ben Rich said they already have... 40+ yrs ago... He ran Skunk Works for over 20 yrs and oversaw the development of the SR-71 Blackbird.. I believe what he said
What about the military industrial complex? Oh, we're not worried about it, basically. It should always grow as a percentage of GDP, and if it needs to grow beyond that percentage, well, it's $CURRENT_YEAR, threats are complex, invest more. So yeah, we get it, you're part of the military industrial complex, you're never going to argue against it.
Lockheed martin... So believe what you will. Secrecy is their mantra. Example, the F-117a stealth fighter was developed in the 70s. Unveiled in the 90s. Everything is 20 years out of date.
CNC precision was at 1 nanometer I think even before WW2. What isn't developed is lenses for ultra short focal lengths for all gamma and x-rays to actually enable long term life in space by absorbing all the hot nuetrons and focusing the secondary radiation to absorb them in a block of tungsten.
@@andrewzanas9387 However it was presented, the Apollo program was a clearly a part of the Cold War contest between USA and the Soviet Union. As such, it had a strategic significance and that dictated a degree of secrecy and protection of any information or technology that might be help the 'adversary'. Somewhat at a tangent, but not entirely unrelated, I saw an interview with one of early Soviet scientists of their nuclear weapons program where he said that the Soviet academy of science alerted its government that the Americans were definitely working on developing an atom bomb because it noticed that leading theoretical and experimental nuclear physicists in the West had suddenly stopped publishing academic papers. An interesting example of where the need for secrecy gave the game away!
A bit disappointing, this one (I watch all AI podcasts in this series): few deep or challenging questions an very smooth and predictable answers. Would have liked more surprises...
Unfortunately guests like this are legally barred from answering the most interesting and pressing questions. Definitely not an ideal person to have for the podcast
Truly a first-rate intro, for what it has and what it doesn't have, such as filler words, useless wandering, hair-scratching, stray cats, and other BS that some others often find too much trouble to edit out. All killer, no filler.
Great interview! I do wish you would have asked about the UFO (UAP) sightings that forced the navy to brief the senate on and that Tucker on Fox has asked some guests including trump about. The navy and air force have both claimed to have had an increase in sightings of objects that defy forces such as gravity, inertia, and friction. Would have been interesting to hear if theyre working to combat, defend or even understand those threats whether foreign adversaries or e.t.
Tech in a mil spec sense has two angles in terms of publicity. The first is to dissiminate information as a deterrent and the second is to prototype new generation tools quietly so that counter measures lag behind. My question is that the public does certainly see systems like the F-35, but I do wonder what is still kept in the dark.
Living on Mars sounds nice but due to low pressure and low gravity it’s going to be possible only in closure . Meaning you will never be able to have a walk outside, swim in the open water or enjoy nature. Plus there is no eco system, low water content, high radiation. We still cannot create good water supply in Africa or populate Antarctica but people think we can terraform Mars🤦♀️
Quantum entanglement space internet, for real time VR robotic control , or maybe even control VR robots from orbit, that for me is more effective for exploration and for initial colonization work, ai can nearly walk on its own if needed so maybe to control robots we just need to select a direction on a screen from spaceship in orbit. Right now I think its too dangerous to land humans on Mars without something being built there first by robotic workers. AI and robotics is definitely the way to make progress, I agree
Great conversation. Don't care for the guest, given that he helps lead a company that partially subsists on war. That smile is disconcerting as well...
"Semi autonomous and autonomous." Not just semi. So we've finally decided to take humans out of the loop. Completely autonomous, to me, means completely making its own decisions. "Is there a still a possibility that the human race can destroy itself? I see that possibility is real..." This is some really scary stuff!
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I think he is referring to more "simplest" things like drones and rovers autonomous controls.
This guy seems high as fuck on THC with that smile. Wish he was though. Shit should be high thinking about tech that's 25 years in the future 13 hours a day in Palmdale, probably hits the clubs in town.
This might not be in Lockheed's wheelhouse, but a large amount of domestic damage could be done with AI financial manipulation. Is this something that is being looked at at DOD/LMco?
Lex didn't ask about UAP's. That obviously indicates where they are coming from. Keoki Jackson would literally be the best person in the world to ask about UAP tech and origins. What upsets me is that Lex continues to ask other guests about UAPs and insinuates that he doesn't know where they're coming from or who's flying them. David Fravor and the like are all clearly spreading misinformation and Lex is enabling, at the very least.
claims the DOD is 'thinking' about autonomous weapons, cites directive 3000.09 as proof its been thoroughly thought of, then goes off on a rant on Russia, China and Iran 'forgetting' about the US's implications and other deeds. Finishes of by mentioning lockheeds ethics award. LOL Cambridge uni: A human touch: autonomous weapons, DoD Directive 3000.09 and the interpretation of ‘appropriate levels of human judgment over the use of force’: Abstract: This chapter addresses the legal, policy and military context of the drafting of ‘Autonomy in weapon systems’, the United States Department of Defense (DoD) Policy Directive 3000.09. More specifically, the author describes the development and interpretation of Directive 3000.09's requirement that autonomous weapons systems (AWS) be designed to allow commanders and operators to exercise ‘appropriate levels of human judgment over the use of force’. The chapter compares the Directive's standard with another conceptual vision for the development of autonomous functions and systems known as ‘coactive design’ or ‘human-machine interdependence’. *Finally, the author argues that the increasing speed of autonomous technology - and the concomitant pressures to advance the related values of military necessity and advantage - eventually will cause the Directive's standard of ‘appropriate levels of human judgment over the use of force’ to be ineffective and irrelevant.* www.cambridge.org/core/books/autonomous-weapons-systems/human-touch-autonomous-weapons-dod-directive-300009-and-the-interpretation-of-appropriate-levels-of-human-judgment-over-the-use-of-force/DD3239C7CBE733DB9CC906283F18C7B8
How does esp work? -Ben Rich What is the moral difference between a beheading and dropping bombs on hospitals filled with sick children and firing missiles at schools with children it? What is the moral difference between those. -George Carlin
competative to SpaceX ? Hmm Does anybody know anybody who knows anybody who creates awesome reusable Rockets like SpaceX ? . . = No. It would be nice to ask him about some "black projects" Lockheed Martin had in the past and still does till today... but bring him towel to wipe his sweat after this question.
Lockheed, Boeing et al are not only competitive but superior for many orbits/payloads, which is why customers continue to go to them and not SpaceX particularly for satellite stationing. Don’t be a sheep. SpaceX has high visibility and a great media team, but reusability isn’t everything.
@@hadeskiller1 when talking about SpaceX then we always talk about Spacetransportation. So dont bring up your argument of transportation on earth. These problems are solved decades ago. What we talk about here is new technology to bring humans to the next level.
@@Ok-do9rt You and other outsiders might mean interplanetary travel, but that's not what space industry is. What I described is not "transportation on earth" anyway, but these are not "solved' problems by any means...
I enjoyed this conversation with Keoki. Here's the outline (click on the timestamp to jump to that part in the video). If you'd like to add other moments to it, please post timestamps and titles as replies:
0:00 - Introduction
1:55 - Lockheed Martin favorite projects
4:44 - Space exploration
11:44 - Landing on an asteroid
15:00 - Human-AI collaboration in space
21:58 - Boeing 737 MAX and culture of safety
27:21 - Lockheed Martin systems overview
31:56 - Skunk Works innovation milestones
42:18 - Future of autonomy in flight
50:05 - AI arms race and the role of AI
58:47 - Nuclear deterrence
1:04:37 - Military industrial complex
1:07:33 - SpaceX and competition
1:10:13 - Future of Lockheed Martin
@@fai8t he always looks great!
Could you list books you mentioned you used to prepare for the interview?
1:12:05 - We are ready to fight ET
You are really pulling some high profile guests lately. Amazing podcast!
probably the most underrated episode of this podcast
you can tell this man really loves his job.
This guy is a super American, just look at that smile.
Dude is mid smile for 75% of this interview.
He was actually setting people up for when he had to smile and lie to a question, his smile would not tip his hand that he was lying. Its a pretty smart tactic.
Mr. Jackson's manner is strangely soothing
Please, can you list the books you recommend as compliment to this talk?
Thank you
Hi Lex, your approach/style and questions, make these podcasts super interesting and the people you are interviewing are amazing. Keep up the great work!
Could you have Gwen Shotwell on and talk space?
@anatoli p Not quite. They had nearly zero conversation regarding space. Their discussion centered comletely around AI, automation, self driving, data, driver monitoring etc. I know because I listened to the podcast 3 times because I couldn't understand in first attempt. lol
Lex - Which topics involving Lockheed Martin were you told NOT to ask about???
Probably the ones related to lobbying and money.
I’m guessing data mining through connecting the puzzle pieces from metadata.
Well they definitely aren’t allowed to talk about classified programs. That’s why they’re called classified.
Fight Club
@@sooocheesy lmfao
It's such a joy to see the smiles on their faces. Thanks Lex. =)
Hey Lex, you got a total lay person interested in your field, reading up on the guests has been so much fun. thnx for stirring that up!
Thank you both for your time and the information.
That guy has a smile for days!
He should work at Disney.
@@ORIGINALJRL I agree. The company has been involved in some dark programmes - including alleged back-engineering of tech from crashed alien craft.
@@andrewcox1677 source?
We've spent space-craft to Pluto!? I need to brush up on my space knowledge some more - makes me excited!
Thank you lex!
thanks for the content!
CTO of Lockheed sitting in front of you, and you say, SR71 is that the reconnaissance one? I love you Lex lol great job, great podcast. I wish you alluded to the secrets that he wont say but is known to those who look, especially as a Russian!
Ohh my God, Lex. That preamble. I seriously think I'm in love with you
Now. That's a real technology company.
Damn this was pretty awesome to listen to. i cannot believe i have never heard of such an amazing company before in my life. it seems like for us normal people who are unlikely to ever be their clients its not too weird.
Yeah they makenall the aircrafts usa uses.... weaponry is a private sector driven by profit not government made..
Can't wait to see Lockheed develop some awesome engine systems that can operate both in our atmosphere and in space.
Ben Rich said they already have... 40+ yrs ago... He ran Skunk Works for over 20 yrs and oversaw the development of the SR-71 Blackbird.. I believe what he said
Is it possible to train Lex's neural network using reinforcement learning to add some speech modulation during intros to make him seem more human
It’s the Soviet in Lex, his soul was drained out & discarded in those times 😄
I’m joking (but I’m really not ^^)
Do you guys have any other podcasts that I can binge after I've rewatched Lex's latest for the third time?
Ryan I like really like Sean Carroll’s Mindscape, which covers a lot of science particularly quantum physics
What about the military industrial complex? Oh, we're not worried about it, basically. It should always grow as a percentage of GDP, and if it needs to grow beyond that percentage, well, it's $CURRENT_YEAR, threats are complex, invest more.
So yeah, we get it, you're part of the military industrial complex, you're never going to argue against it.
gotta make that money boi
Nice tie
Lockheed martin... So believe what you will. Secrecy is their mantra. Example, the F-117a stealth fighter was developed in the 70s. Unveiled in the 90s. Everything is 20 years out of date.
Yes practically everything was developed by or before the 1970s. Even quantum mechanics, what quantum computers are designed after.
Cosmosity Yeah but it was never a secret that quantum mechanics started being developed in the early 1900s
CNC precision was at 1 nanometer I think even before WW2. What isn't developed is lenses for ultra short focal lengths for all gamma and x-rays to actually enable long term life in space by absorbing all the hot nuetrons and focusing the secondary radiation to absorb them in a block of tungsten.
@@andrewzanas9387 However it was presented, the Apollo program was a clearly a part of the Cold War contest between USA and the Soviet Union. As such, it had a strategic significance and that dictated a degree of secrecy and protection of any information or technology that might be help the 'adversary'.
Somewhat at a tangent, but not entirely unrelated, I saw an interview with one of early Soviet scientists of their nuclear weapons program where he said that the Soviet academy of science alerted its government that the Americans were definitely working on developing an atom bomb because it noticed that leading theoretical and experimental nuclear physicists in the West had suddenly stopped publishing academic papers. An interesting example of where the need for secrecy gave the game away!
This company is in charge of building the craft to every alien conspiracy theory you've ever come across.
We Never Forget Who We Are Working For.
Great interview. 😎
kinda creepy when weaponary guy smiles so much.))
All these people are just nerds...
You have just detected the smile of a sociopath, congratulations!
Lex, please take a vacation my dude!
A bit disappointing, this one (I watch all AI podcasts in this series): few deep or challenging questions an very smooth and predictable answers. Would have liked more surprises...
Unfortunately guests like this are legally barred from answering the most interesting and pressing questions. Definitely not an ideal person to have for the podcast
yeah i feel you but there are obvious reasons.
Thanks for a great video !
Truly a first-rate intro, for what it has and what it doesn't have, such as filler words, useless wandering, hair-scratching, stray cats, and other BS that some others often find too much trouble to edit out. All killer, no filler.
I have a sense that most "ufo's" are lockheed martin tech. It's not aliens but human ingenuity.
wham bam thank you maam
Cool guy this Dana "Keoki" Jackson
Great interview! I do wish you would have asked about the UFO (UAP) sightings that forced the navy to brief the senate on and that Tucker on Fox has asked some guests including trump about. The navy and air force have both claimed to have had an increase in sightings of objects that defy forces such as gravity, inertia, and friction. Would have been interesting to hear if theyre working to combat, defend or even understand those threats whether foreign adversaries or e.t.
Obviously some are made by Lockheed...
Interesting AI!
Someone:
Joe Rogan: Yeah but have you tried DMT?
Lex Fridman: I grew up in the soviet union
Vegan: Iam vegan
See you soon
Tech in a mil spec sense has two angles in terms of publicity. The first is to dissiminate information as a deterrent and the second is to prototype new generation tools quietly so that counter measures lag behind. My question is that the public does certainly see systems like the F-35, but I do wonder what is still kept in the dark.
Well find out in 20 years once theyre outdated and even deeper and darker secrets exist.
14:00 "there's a ways to go" Lies you know we're already there!! he fucking said it blinking a lot, looked down, and delayed by saying "yeah... so..."
SpaceX.
He real competition to Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, etc......
Stop smiling! It makes what you're saying unbelievable.
lol, for good reason. Keep detecting that deception.
Get glenn Maxwell here
Why does he remind me of Nick Fuentes ?
Living on Mars sounds nice but due to low pressure and low gravity it’s going to be possible only in closure . Meaning you will never be able to have a walk outside, swim in the open water or enjoy nature.
Plus there is no eco system, low water content, high radiation.
We still cannot create good water supply in Africa or populate Antarctica but people think we can terraform Mars🤦♀️
Nicholas Nelson how is nuking Mars going to solve low gravity? In fact it will make things worse bcz of added radiation.
Great points about Africa and Antarctica
Quantum entanglement space internet, for real time VR robotic control , or maybe even control VR robots from orbit, that for me is more effective for exploration and for initial colonization work, ai can nearly walk on its own if needed so maybe to control robots we just need to select a direction on a screen from spaceship in orbit. Right now I think its too dangerous to land humans on Mars without something being built there first by robotic workers. AI and robotics is definitely the way to make progress, I agree
Now that I think about it the A-12 Oxcart is esoteric as shit. 12 levels, Aleph and Oxcart for Taurus. That's some bull cult!
Great conversation. Don't care for the guest, given that he helps lead a company that partially subsists on war. That smile is disconcerting as well...
The robot autonomously decides the best sample to send back is the entire asteroid.
Begins lobbing them back towards Earth.
"Semi autonomous and autonomous." Not just semi. So we've finally decided to take humans out of the loop. Completely autonomous, to me, means completely making its own decisions. "Is there a still a possibility that the human race can destroy itself? I see that possibility is real..." This is some really scary stuff!
I think he is referring to more "simplest" things like drones and rovers autonomous controls.
why does Lex seem to be xanned out of his mind in the intro?
he's giddy to talk about this shit. I never thought this guy would do an interview besides some industrial complex propaganda.
This guy seems high as fuck on THC with that smile. Wish he was though. Shit should be high thinking about tech that's 25 years in the future 13 hours a day in Palmdale, probably hits the clubs in town.
Some ideas/complexes manage to outlive their usefulness/virtue.
This might not be in Lockheed's wheelhouse, but a large amount of domestic damage could be done with AI financial manipulation. Is this something that is being looked at at DOD/LMco?
It's assumed that A.I. was at least part of the causal chain that led to the last crash, poorly tuned algorithms.
You like competition? Of course with gov money...
Venturing towards the stars??? Flat out getting to Mars or even the moon mate. At best your venturing away from 1 star.
Lex didn't ask about UAP's. That obviously indicates where they are coming from. Keoki Jackson would literally be the best person in the world to ask about UAP tech and origins. What upsets me is that Lex continues to ask other guests about UAPs and insinuates that he doesn't know where they're coming from or who's flying them. David Fravor and the like are all clearly spreading misinformation and Lex is enabling, at the very least.
See yo6soo
claims the DOD is 'thinking' about autonomous weapons, cites directive 3000.09 as proof its been thoroughly thought of, then goes off on a rant on Russia, China and Iran 'forgetting' about the US's implications and other deeds. Finishes of by mentioning lockheeds ethics award. LOL
Cambridge uni: A human touch: autonomous weapons, DoD Directive 3000.09 and the interpretation of ‘appropriate levels of human judgment over the use of force’:
Abstract:
This chapter addresses the legal, policy and military context of the drafting of ‘Autonomy in weapon systems’, the United States Department of Defense (DoD) Policy Directive 3000.09. More specifically, the author describes the development and interpretation of Directive 3000.09's requirement that autonomous weapons systems (AWS) be designed to allow commanders and operators to exercise ‘appropriate levels of human judgment over the use of force’. The chapter compares the Directive's standard with another conceptual vision for the development of autonomous functions and systems known as ‘coactive design’ or ‘human-machine interdependence’. *Finally, the author argues that the increasing speed of autonomous technology - and the concomitant pressures to advance the related values of military necessity and advantage - eventually will cause the Directive's standard of ‘appropriate levels of human judgment over the use of force’ to be ineffective and irrelevant.*
www.cambridge.org/core/books/autonomous-weapons-systems/human-touch-autonomous-weapons-dod-directive-300009-and-the-interpretation-of-appropriate-levels-of-human-judgment-over-the-use-of-force/DD3239C7CBE733DB9CC906283F18C7B8
How does esp work? -Ben Rich
What is the moral difference between a beheading and dropping bombs on hospitals filled with sick children and firing missiles at schools with children it? What is the moral difference between those. -George Carlin
You look tired
Lex knows nothing about aerospace...
competative to SpaceX ? Hmm Does anybody know anybody who knows anybody who creates awesome reusable Rockets like SpaceX ? . . = No. It would be nice to ask him about some "black projects" Lockheed Martin had in the past and still does till today... but bring him towel to wipe his sweat after this question.
Lockheed, Boeing et al are not only competitive but superior for many orbits/payloads, which is why customers continue to go to them and not SpaceX particularly for satellite stationing. Don’t be a sheep. SpaceX has high visibility and a great media team, but reusability isn’t everything.
@@hadeskiller1 when talking about SpaceX then we always talk about Spacetransportation. So dont bring up your argument of transportation on earth. These problems are solved decades ago. What we talk about here is new technology to bring humans to the next level.
@@Ok-do9rt You and other outsiders might mean interplanetary travel, but that's not what space industry is. What I described is not "transportation on earth" anyway, but these are not "solved' problems by any means...