DRK: 123 and spam blood spill WAR: damage 123, buff 123 and spam fell cleave GNB: damage 123 and super damage 123, some filler resource spenders and some dots. PLD: physical 123444, physical dot 123, and magical 111122222. Game journalist: drk has a more interesting combo. Ffs it is just marginally harder than a PvP combo.
Xeno hasn't realized. These aren't people "writing an article" these are just copy pasted points from forums or other sites and put together. Hence the obvious "not written by the same person" feel throughout.
yeah, as somebody with a journalism degree it’s always disheartening to see this anti-journalist attitude and narrative pushed constantly, when what they’re critiquing are basically listicles cobbled together by content farms from other sources and held together with SEO keywords and ad space. these sites aren’t meant to convey useful or relevant information, their purpose is to appear as high as possible in search results so you’ll click on them so they can collect ad revenue and data. it’s an ugly business. and of course the other side of the coin is content creators then using this empty, hacked together content for “reaction” clips and outrage views, furthering the narrative about journalists when in reality this garbage is lucky to even get proofread by a real person.
who the fuck says "red tank".... everyone I have ever known in the past 8 years in the game has called it "blue dps". Red tank basically means you're a DPS role doing no damage but can soak attacks....????
@@Jing48 Yes. I've tanked for like 10 or 15 seconds many times as a Monk in dungeons, and a few times in raids. Riddle of Earth stacks + Mantra + Bloodbath + Second Wind is typically enough time for a healer or RDM to rez a tank. Monk tanking will be even more fun when Variant Dungeons come out! \o/
Hey I just wanted to say CONGRATULATIONS (p8s was harder in august) on the THE ABYSSOS EIGHTH CIRCLE SAVAGE SEPTEMBER (it was harder in august) CLEAR. I know you've been working really hard (p8s used to be harder) at it, and I'm happy that you've (p8s used to be harder) achieved your goal of completion
Tanked as PLD in ShB, can confirm. Final boss of Heroes' Gauntlet in particular; I used to joke that 'it's not a proper run of this dungeon if nobody dies to the final boss'. Clemency definitely helped clutch some runs that would've otherwise ended in wipes.
I think you're onto something, a lot of clickbait tier articles these days seem to be smatterings of posts from humans in various places thrown together by an AI.
Dark Knight is a Tank that was introduced in the game's second major expansion, Heavensward,... Wasn't heavensward the first expansion? A realm reborn is base game Heavensward Then stormblood
Game Journo must be the best job in the world. You don't have to know anything, you can get everything wrong, insult people like crazy, and still you still have more work of the same quality to look forward to.
That tank soloing thru dungeons wighout healer is true, and i found that out particularly about paladins and gunbreakers after i died (as healer) at thestart of that serpent boss falling off the ledge.
When Endwalker came out and me and a couple friends reached endgame we would usually do expert roulette with a warrior and 3 dps just to go through them slightly quicker
I have never once heard anyone call a tank a Red tank or a Green tank, are they just making up things? I've heard people call healers Green DPS but thats it.
The best application for the phrase "Red Tank" and "Green Tank" come from challenge runs like All Tank UCoB or EXs. GNB pumps damage in synced content so is labeled Red Tank, and Paladin is the only one that can heal 5 different targets within 15 seconds, which means they are the Green Tank. Other than those very specific use cases, I haven't heard the phrase either.
I've heard warrior called a green tank a lot, the balance discord also has an emote that's the warrior icon but it's green called "Healerbtw" They also use it in their setups for warrior, i got confused for a second a little bit ago cause i thought i was in the healer section till i realized it was the warrior icon
No explanation as to why HG isn't the best invuln? The only thing I can think of is the cooldown length, but that's only relevant for specific savage/EX strats.
A blasphemous 5 minute cooldown means that in raids where you may want to invuln more than once, PLD is unable to whilst a WAR can. That is enough to make it worse. You may be thinking that Hallowed Ground completely negating damage altogether makes it better, but this, in reality, doesn't matter. When you use your invuln you're going to use it for a tankbuster, which is usually just one massive hit with no followup. No followup means it doesn't matter that your health is low afterwards from using any other invuln, because you just get healed before there is another big hit coming. TLDR: Hallowed Ground has a longer cooldown, which makes it unable to be used twice in one fight, in exchange for some utility that isn't useful. Holmgang is the best invuln.
The main point of using Invuln is you don't want to die when you using it even if it leave you 1 health the damage you receive can easily be recover by healer or even tank themselve no one actually really care they only care if you can Invuln or not which make Holmgang the best Invuln.
Honestly I laughed at the part when they said Drk was effective in dungeon runs when everyone knows Drks might as well be made of paper in dungeons unless a healer is actually managing them well with heals.
as a DRK main I can't even deny this XD The only time it's not like that for me are level 70 dungeons, ShB dungeons and EW endgame dungeons. The rest of the time I feel like TBN is made of toilet paper.
@@SilverNightbane ShB and early EW ones are rough, but I feel later EW ones aren't too bad cause you do so much damage that by the time you've used some mits everything dies. Matters more tho on if the rest of the party is actually hitting buttons
It's not really paper though if people use Living Dead properly, as it's basically a Benediction every other pull. Sadly, healers just panic and start spamming heals and don't let the dark knight use their invuln... and most dark knights don't even understand how half of their defensive utilities are meant to be used. It's a little laughable how poorly the playerbase seems to understand dark knight. It's not weaker than any of the other tanks if played properly, but the average player only seems to know Warrior ungabunga so it is what it is.
I was running the Dead Ends as a WHM, and throughout I was just thinking, "how is the DRK losing HP so fast, and so much" and when I checked, their gear was even better than mine. I don't think they were even a bad tank, it was just crazy with how much healing I was pumping into them.
Last time I played DRK in dungeon they hadn't reworked living dead yet but I clearly remember having a much harder time managing trash pulls than with other tank classes. I don't know how to expain it, I press the mit buttons the same way than with other classes and yet I would just DIE twice as quickly, it was stressful. But that was before the living dead rework when pressing living dead was like a gamble of sorts lol. Maybe it feels much better to play in dungeon now.
as a GNB main, I stopped at "red tank" IT'S "BLUE DPS" FOR TWELVE SAKE!! this is not how ffxiv nicknames work!!! other than that and some skill name/formatting mistakes (as in- making 2 bullet points to cover 1 actual point) I didn't play enough with the other tanks to really form an opinion here
Warrior damage is low? Well that's news to me, I solo clear trials with WAR faster than with any other tanks with the exact same gear, and regularly top aggro in raids without even using tomahawk
PLD invuln is good 1 second after pressing the button(Everybody has those fucking moments where it goes on CD but fucking still dies anyway), then 8 seconds afterwards, then it's really bad for 5 minutes.
These people cant even count, clemency is about half as weak as equilibrium in potency alone, not to speak of the fact that clemency will ruin your rotation and dps, while equi is literally a no-cost insta ogcd ability.
@@juanjosevidalolmo9208 Thats accounted for by me. 1200 flat potency which is more than what clemency gives and 200 potency over 15s, thats 5 ticks (given that a tick is roughly once per 3s), so 1200 + 5*200 = 2200 potency, absolute massive heal.
Maybe they are thinking of Clemency under Requiescat? Which is something you would only ever use in an extreme emergency, to be fair, but devil's advocate here.
There are two options for me : 1) if you want to keep clemency gcd you have to double its potency if not 2.5k 2) otherwise with 1k clemency should be ogcd with 3 stack and 30 sec each
I get this article is from like March of 2022, but uh... even the clemency thing is factually wrong. I don't remember a scenario in EW (or Even ShB) where clemency ever cost 1000 mana. It's always cost 2000 outside of leveling. Also it's weirdly inconsistent with regards to mentioning high level stuff but then not also mentioning that (at the time, I don't quite remember when they expanded it) clemency on PLD was functionally obsolete the moment Holy Spirit got a cure potency.
As far as dungeon content goes and healing a tank it goes WAR, PLD, GNB and then at last DRK. Trying to keep a DRK alive in a dungeon after they pull wall to wall is difficult to say the least. Even when they inevitably pop living once they heal themselves to full with one aoe you have like 6 or 7 seconds before they potentially die. It might not be a popular opinion but I wish TBN would have got the same treatment as sheltron, heart and nascent.
If you couldn't keep a LV90 Drk alive, then you're either bad at healing or Dps bad at their damages or that Drk sucks at Mitigation, TBN mixed with mitigations could keep him up pretty long in a w2w pull, not even talk about it's damages. Yea, you won't be able to keep him full all the time and also don't see 'im heal themself but they can keep themself alive and waiting for heals just fine.
I wish they would just rework shields, period. I hate that the "payoff" (if you can call it that in the case of TBN) is based on having the shield pop - BUT THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT OF THE SHIELD IS TO PREVENT DAMAGE.
@@anthony26812 Paladin doesn’t have to clemency themselves, the entire magic phase heals them. I can be damn near dead and pop req, and go into the magic phase of my rotation and I will be fully healed before I’m done with the phase. That while I’m taking damage. Don’t have to use clemency, hell Sheltron can be your mitigation while in your melee phase, you don’t have to use your cools downs in mobs unless the dps are sleep.
@@user-gm9ph8pw5w DRK has a lot of really good mit, but you cannot refute that it has a lack of self healing. TBN with mit doesnt last as long as you think. In the instance of a wall to wall pull in a dungeon even if you use TBN and shadow wall, that shield is going to melt in seconds, and all you get is one "free" use of flood in this case. Once it is gone you are taking auto's mitigated by 30%. In a wall to wall pull that is a lot of damage happening. With the other tanks they have heals that can help to effectively mitigate damage on top of the mitigation from cooldowns. The more heals a tank can provide themselves the less the healers have to do and the more they can add to the dps of the enemies. with DRK you cant do that. TBN pops in seconds and has a 15 second CD if I remember correctly which in some cases means you will be dead if your healer isnt expecting all that damage. Living dead is nice with the heal added to it, but like I said once you fully heal yourself in a dungeon, which will be INSTANT, you have at most 6 or 7 seconds on invuln where you are still taking damage. Homgang is the same, but they have nascent and can heal themselves TO FULL for 3 GCDs, meaning if popped right before holmgang ends the healer doesnt have to worry. In the context of a wall to wall pull, the other tanks are just better at living through it with minimal effort from the healers.
Technically in terms of being the 'strongest' Invuln, Hallowed Ground's effect is in fact the strongest. It's meaty cooldown however culls it's usefulness.
I myself cant tank from fear. i somehow can easily heal. but for some reason when it comes to thinking about tanking i am afraid to go into anything with real people. to me its the feeling that if i die as a tank its me. i played wrong. for me as a healer i dont feel that. if someone has stacks and then gets hit again and dies thats not on me. all i can do is get them up and not wipe. and i feel like i do a good job of doing that. even when shit hits the fan we dont wipe, i can hold it together, keep the tanks up and res who needs to be. again what i feel as a tank is i have one job and if i die its on me and i dont like that feeling.
Having fear in FFXIV is something you need to get over, since all the casual content in FFXIV is brain dead easy most of the time, especially if you're a tank. For plenty of bosses in casual content (not all) there's really no reason for you to press any mitigation button, you can literally just sit there and do your combos pointing the boss away from your party, not only that but as a tank messing up a mechanic is much more forgiving than being a healer or DPS since it might not kill you outright. As a tank your job is being hit and that's honestly it, sometimes its your responsibility to help the healer out with mitigation but aside from that your role is the most streamlined content in the game. Unless you're playing savage it literally doesn't matter how shit you "technically" are, just make sure you're getting aggro'd.
Lemme just say this, if you're playing tank and die, that is almost entirely on your healer unless you purposefully walk off the map or do wall to wall pulls in a dungeon and not manage mitigation to a minor degree. Don't be afraid of playing tank, just go for it and you'll get more comfortable.
Talking as a PLD main here, I think hallowed Ground is good…..until u realize u have issues getting it back when u would need it again x) Latest extreme for example u actually need to hard mitigate the 2nd shared buster as PLD since hallowed has to long Cooldown. But it’s fine if they keep buffing us PLD mains we will be strongest Tank soon so we take the longest Cooldown on invuln. Can’t wait for spicy 1200 Confiteor and additional stuff for Blade potency ;P
the shared tb can just the mitted. Sheltron, Rampart and Sentinel all at once is enough to live it (so long as you are full hp and do not have a vuln stack that is, lol)
Yeah currently Confiteor is 1000 potency, I just mentioned that Confiteor can end up being 1200 potency if they keep buffing blade Combo. And yeah hard mitigation on 2nd stack as Pld is doable when healers ain’t dead and the Pld knows what to use. All in all it doesn’t hurt to bad, I’m used to far worse dmg. Just saying Brute justice and Crush chaser Auto atks, was my worst experience so far or the latest example P8S does hurt a lot aswell lol x)
I mean they both are wrong, the strongest invul is superbolide, shorter cd and same damage negate as hallow, 1 hp does not matter, in 8 secs GNB can heal itself with out a healer.
Then again, I could claim that LD is the strongest invuln, since it can heal you to full on its own, entirely independent of healers and such. HG could also be the strongest on account of having absolutely no cost and being the longest invul. Holmgang could be said to be the strongest for being relatively easy to use, coming earlier than any other in the WAR learnset and having the shortest CD. And Superbolide could be considered strongest because of what you said. Each of them has "a strength" and "a weakness". It's more a matter of perspective, I think.
Invuln skils so far I've been playing have been mostly a last resort kind of skill because their cooldown is really long you don't want to waste it on something trivial lol
You very obviously have no clue how to play tank. What are you gonna do, save it for the next dungeon? Use it instead of holding on to it and letting it go to waste.
@@RaidenKaiser The most optimal way to use 1 hp invuls is saving it for when you get sprout healers then popping it the second you start pulling all the mobs before the dps catch up if their behind :^) casual heart attacks all around
typical problem of inexperienced writers. longer isnt better. People who talk much often say very little (like, making several bullet points repeating the same thing). Remember class, when ppl bragged about "my essay is 10 pages long!" but didnt get good scores anyway? Because length doesnt say jackshit about content.
No it's not. Just for example in EX4, there is a double tank buster that can be invulned both times due to it being exactly 6 minutes apart. What's Hallowed Ground cd again? I forgor Oh wait. 7 minutes. If you have a PLD you actually do need to stack up at least once for that double buster because if it gets put on the PLD both times they're just murdered.
clemency is a good healing skill, at 1000 cure potency it CAN compete with healers, but not beat them, the strength of the this heal is affected by the mind stat, which a paladin, as a TANK, will have very little of since it serves very little to their tanking needs and they would be far better off focusing on mitigation numbers (tenacity) and damage numbers (strength,critical hit, direct hit, ETC).
Regarding defense, all tanks may as well be identical. No reason to pick one over the other... by the time healers have to heal you, you're all getting the same heals no matter what you play. Especially in this tier where you can't just mindlessly invuln every other tank buster without chadding your healers with bleed/poison damage. Damage or your personal preference are the only things thay matter.
Man the tank buster in p5s sucks if you are the one taking toxic crunch plus the boss's autos after. With week one gear it really required focus from the healers and tanks miting correctly to not just outright die.
Run a mob heavy dungeon as dark and then as war. I can run war all day and not need a heal. Cant survive without heals as DRK. Some are better than others in some situations
Pld has the shortest effective invuln with the longest cooldown. That makes it the worst, especially since drk got self heals to recover from walking dead. Best to worst is: - war - drk - gnb - pld Ok now I’m going to watch the video.
While I would agree that Xeno could probably write quite the compelling article himself, unless he then turned around and made a video of him reading said article and critiquing himself like he does here I don't think I'd go out of my way to read it since it's obviously not going to contain any information that I haven't already heard him say many times. A video, though, could be incredibly entertaining like these videos of him critiquing other people's articles and could lead to other people doing the same to his work which would not only add more entertainment to the FFXIV community but also hopefully push out useful information to people who are just being exposed to FFXIV for the first time. I mean, he could totally make a stream of just him creating and editing the article with the goal in mind that he has to explain things in terms that a non-FFXIV player would somewhat understand while making the jobs sound interesting enough to pick up the game and then his editor could easily turn THAT into the RUclips video. BOOM!! I only hope that I get a small modicum of credit if he actually follows through on my version of this idea but I'll be happy to see Xeno do any version of putting out a proper written article regardless.
Please make a video about No Melee DPS, the actual game balance is pretty bad for them. Especially when Square-enix mention '' the upgrade of the hitboxes '' for decrease Melee DPS stress, So why the actual DPS difference between Melee DPS and Caster/MCH is so Huge like that ? 8-10%, Square-enix need to fix this bad balance, and they listen youtube/twitch ff14 celebrity, so we would be grateful if you could talk about it on video.
Xeno please, just do your f*cking tier list, we’re all here for it.
#1 Man mode Warrior
#2 learn to play Warrior
#3 git gud
#4 Fell cleave and win
@@lawrencebarber8583 #1 MAN
#2 MODE
#3 WARRIOR
#4 There is no #4 just play warrior
Xeno reacting to these journalist job tier lists has become a highlight of every new patch,cause you know they're gonna say something dumb
At this point I kinda feel like game journalists are doing it intentionally 🤣
@@drakenwarden8861 Nah they are just that incompetent and untalented 😂
DRK: 123 and spam blood spill
WAR: damage 123, buff 123 and spam fell cleave
GNB: damage 123 and super damage 123, some filler resource spenders and some dots.
PLD: physical 123444, physical dot 123, and magical 111122222.
Game journalist: drk has a more interesting combo.
Ffs it is just marginally harder than a PvP combo.
"Regen over time"
Ah yes, the floor is made out of floor.
Xeno hasn't realized. These aren't people "writing an article" these are just copy pasted points from forums or other sites and put together. Hence the obvious "not written by the same person" feel throughout.
it's an AI that stuffs it full of FFXIV SEO terms
yeah, as somebody with a journalism degree it’s always disheartening to see this anti-journalist attitude and narrative pushed constantly, when what they’re critiquing are basically listicles cobbled together by content farms from other sources and held together with SEO keywords and ad space.
these sites aren’t meant to convey useful or relevant information, their purpose is to appear as high as possible in search results so you’ll click on them so they can collect ad revenue and data. it’s an ugly business.
and of course the other side of the coin is content creators then using this empty, hacked together content for “reaction” clips and outrage views, furthering the narrative about journalists when in reality this garbage is lucky to even get proofread by a real person.
They had me at "the game's "second" major expansion Heavensward"
Not wrong
@fumanchu168 An expansion doesn't replace the content that came before it.
@fumanchu168 And I continue to refuse to.
@fumanchu168 ARR can’t be an expansion. It’s the base content, it wasn’t expanded on or anything
They saw hw was 3.x so it must have been the second expansion by that logic 😅
who the fuck says "red tank".... everyone I have ever known in the past 8 years in the game has called it "blue dps". Red tank basically means you're a DPS role doing no damage but can soak attacks....????
"red tank" sounds more like it would be the title for the dps who is gonna get dunked on directly after the tank(s) are dead.
@@Jing48 Yes. I've tanked for like 10 or 15 seconds many times as a Monk in dungeons, and a few times in raids. Riddle of Earth stacks + Mantra + Bloodbath + Second Wind is typically enough time for a healer or RDM to rez a tank. Monk tanking will be even more fun when Variant Dungeons come out! \o/
Another perfect example of why game journalism is dogshit lol
Hey I just wanted to say CONGRATULATIONS (p8s was harder in august) on the THE ABYSSOS EIGHTH CIRCLE SAVAGE SEPTEMBER (it was harder in august) CLEAR. I know you've been working really hard (p8s used to be harder) at it, and I'm happy that you've (p8s used to be harder) achieved your goal of completion
Gotta love this reply template
Hey man you're kinda late and on the wrong video but congrats
Kekw
xeno single handedly putting bread on the table for gamers decide journalists
The pali points are pretty fun though. Like the healer dies in a dungeon during a boss fight and you keep the dps alive is pretty good feeling tbh
Tanked as PLD in ShB, can confirm. Final boss of Heroes' Gauntlet in particular; I used to joke that 'it's not a proper run of this dungeon if nobody dies to the final boss'. Clemency definitely helped clutch some runs that would've otherwise ended in wipes.
I didn't know how much I want a "Primal Scream" skill until you mentioned it.
we have it in pvp
@@mochabean5042 it'd be cool if it was added into PVE but instead it applies maybe a defense down debuff for X seconds
This!
at this point I think a AI is writing all these tier lists
yanno this actually makes a lotta sense
I think you're onto something, a lot of clickbait tier articles these days seem to be smatterings of posts from humans in various places thrown together by an AI.
as a sage id take a dark knight in a dungeon sage is broken
Dark Knight is a Tank that was introduced in the game's second major expansion, Heavensward,...
Wasn't heavensward the first expansion? A realm reborn is base game
Heavensward
Then stormblood
@Paul Oz less of a expansion and more of a reboot. Since 1.0 and 2.0 are vastly different games.
I think that person is talking about old drk/tank when talking about combos, since there use to be a 2nd branch of combos for each.
That was the case for every tank though.
We don't talk about Emnity Generator Combos anymore...
Game Journo must be the best job in the world. You don't have to know anything, you can get everything wrong, insult people like crazy, and still you still have more work of the same quality to look forward to.
I mean I imagine it pays like shit and has tight schedules
Which potion don't i need to increase my blasting zone?
lol its definitely gnb and pld that have the most complicated combos, and paladins isnt even that bad. drk has the easiest combo
I'd have more respect if they'd just write DRK pros: can help carry dps for week 1 clear
That tank soloing thru dungeons wighout healer is true, and i found that out particularly about paladins and gunbreakers after i died (as healer) at thestart of that serpent boss falling off the ledge.
war and paladin are the strongest in terms of being healer light, provided the dps know how to do mechanics they can usually keep them alive
When Endwalker came out and me and a couple friends reached endgame we would usually do expert roulette with a warrior and 3 dps just to go through them slightly quicker
yay! Woke up to PLD WAR dps buffs!
I have never once heard anyone call a tank a Red tank or a Green tank, are they just making up things? I've heard people call healers Green DPS but thats it.
The best application for the phrase "Red Tank" and "Green Tank" come from challenge runs like All Tank UCoB or EXs. GNB pumps damage in synced content so is labeled Red Tank, and Paladin is the only one that can heal 5 different targets within 15 seconds, which means they are the Green Tank.
Other than those very specific use cases, I haven't heard the phrase either.
It's blue healer or blue dps, not the other way around.
I've heard warrior called a green tank a lot, the balance discord also has an emote that's the warrior icon but it's green called "Healerbtw"
They also use it in their setups for warrior, i got confused for a second a little bit ago cause i thought i was in the healer section till i realized it was the warrior icon
No explanation as to why HG isn't the best invuln? The only thing I can think of is the cooldown length, but that's only relevant for specific savage/EX strats.
A blasphemous 5 minute cooldown means that in raids where you may want to invuln more than once, PLD is unable to whilst a WAR can. That is enough to make it worse.
You may be thinking that Hallowed Ground completely negating damage altogether makes it better, but this, in reality, doesn't matter. When you use your invuln you're going to use it for a tankbuster, which is usually just one massive hit with no followup. No followup means it doesn't matter that your health is low afterwards from using any other invuln, because you just get healed before there is another big hit coming.
TLDR: Hallowed Ground has a longer cooldown, which makes it unable to be used twice in one fight, in exchange for some utility that isn't useful. Holmgang is the best invuln.
The main point of using Invuln is you don't want to die when you using it even if it leave you 1 health the damage you receive can easily be recover by healer or even tank themselve no one actually really care they only care if you can Invuln or not which make Holmgang the best Invuln.
Honestly I laughed at the part when they said Drk was effective in dungeon runs when everyone knows Drks might as well be made of paper in dungeons unless a healer is actually managing them well with heals.
as a DRK main I can't even deny this XD The only time it's not like that for me are level 70 dungeons, ShB dungeons and EW endgame dungeons. The rest of the time I feel like TBN is made of toilet paper.
@@SilverNightbane ShB and early EW ones are rough, but I feel later EW ones aren't too bad cause you do so much damage that by the time you've used some mits everything dies. Matters more tho on if the rest of the party is actually hitting buttons
It's not really paper though if people use Living Dead properly, as it's basically a Benediction every other pull. Sadly, healers just panic and start spamming heals and don't let the dark knight use their invuln... and most dark knights don't even understand how half of their defensive utilities are meant to be used. It's a little laughable how poorly the playerbase seems to understand dark knight. It's not weaker than any of the other tanks if played properly, but the average player only seems to know Warrior ungabunga so it is what it is.
I was running the Dead Ends as a WHM, and throughout I was just thinking, "how is the DRK losing HP so fast, and so much" and when I checked, their gear was even better than mine. I don't think they were even a bad tank, it was just crazy with how much healing I was pumping into them.
Last time I played DRK in dungeon they hadn't reworked living dead yet but I clearly remember having a much harder time managing trash pulls than with other tank classes. I don't know how to expain it, I press the mit buttons the same way than with other classes and yet I would just DIE twice as quickly, it was stressful. But that was before the living dead rework when pressing living dead was like a gamble of sorts lol. Maybe it feels much better to play in dungeon now.
I give this video a Tank Usefulness Score of 94/100
“Yea, I play gunbreaker. What about it?”
Ayooo first, also Xeno u planning on ranting how they listened to u and buffed PLD and WAR :3
Do any of the writers on that website actually play this game, or do they just form their stupid opinions based off watching streams of trash players?
Some might play an hour or so just to get an impression, but most just read skills and watch videos
as a GNB main, I stopped at "red tank"
IT'S "BLUE DPS" FOR TWELVE SAKE!!
this is not how ffxiv nicknames work!!!
other than that and some skill name/formatting mistakes (as in- making 2 bullet points to cover 1 actual point) I didn't play enough with the other tanks to really form an opinion here
Xeno: Plays FFXIV for YEARS
Rando Journalist: Played maybe a few weeks, month tops.
Who you gonna listen for advice?
Journos playing normal dungeon : FFXIV is good, but would have been better if there's an easier mode.
FFXIV Player : ????
Warrior damage is low? Well that's news to me, I solo clear trials with WAR faster than with any other tanks with the exact same gear, and regularly top aggro in raids without even using tomahawk
"Variety in combos" is not how I would describe any job in 14 tbh.....
Xeno there is an article about the top mods for ffxiv for shits and giggles can u cover that one?
LOL "Fel Cleave into Primal Rend Combo, enough said" ... this person legit got hungry and throw up their hands off the keyboard and said "FUCK IT"
Can you do some DPS ones, I know you aren't much if a DPS expert but I reckon you could still see through how silly some of these are
These reviews remind me of IGNs reviews.
PLD invuln is good 1 second after pressing the button(Everybody has those fucking moments where it goes on CD but fucking still dies anyway), then 8 seconds afterwards, then it's really bad for 5 minutes.
NGL I need the Xenos version of one of these articles.
These people cant even count, clemency is about half as weak as equilibrium in potency alone, not to speak of the fact that clemency will ruin your rotation and dps, while equi is literally a no-cost insta ogcd ability.
and give you a healing over time, and a tank alost never wil use clemency with a healer alive xD
@@juanjosevidalolmo9208 especially not with the healing your rotation and the Hot with holy sheltron give you.
@@juanjosevidalolmo9208 Thats accounted for by me. 1200 flat potency which is more than what clemency gives and 200 potency over 15s, thats 5 ticks (given that a tick is roughly once per 3s), so 1200 + 5*200 = 2200 potency, absolute massive heal.
Maybe they are thinking of Clemency under Requiescat? Which is something you would only ever use in an extreme emergency, to be fair, but devil's advocate here.
There are two options for me :
1) if you want to keep clemency gcd you have to double its potency if not 2.5k
2) otherwise with 1k clemency should be ogcd with 3 stack and 30 sec each
They really went out there and said: ''Heart of Conundrum'' XD
I get this article is from like March of 2022, but uh... even the clemency thing is factually wrong. I don't remember a scenario in EW (or Even ShB) where clemency ever cost 1000 mana. It's always cost 2000 outside of leveling. Also it's weirdly inconsistent with regards to mentioning high level stuff but then not also mentioning that (at the time, I don't quite remember when they expanded it) clemency on PLD was functionally obsolete the moment Holy Spirit got a cure potency.
Did they just forget warrior has holmgang? Did they forget this whole tier, they just deleted holmgang?
No damage. Not even holmgang can save it.
Hallowed is my fave invuln too
As far as dungeon content goes and healing a tank it goes
WAR, PLD, GNB and then at last DRK.
Trying to keep a DRK alive in a dungeon after they pull wall to wall is difficult to say the least. Even when they inevitably pop living once they heal themselves to full with one aoe you have like 6 or 7 seconds before they potentially die. It might not be a popular opinion but I wish TBN would have got the same treatment as sheltron, heart and nascent.
If you couldn't keep a LV90 Drk alive, then you're either bad at healing or Dps bad at their damages or that Drk sucks at Mitigation, TBN mixed with mitigations could keep him up pretty long in a w2w pull, not even talk about it's damages. Yea, you won't be able to keep him full all the time and also don't see 'im heal themself but they can keep themself alive and waiting for heals just fine.
I wish they would just rework shields, period. I hate that the "payoff" (if you can call it that in the case of TBN) is based on having the shield pop - BUT THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT OF THE SHIELD IS TO PREVENT DAMAGE.
gnb should be before pld unless you're actually expecting the pld to clemency himself
@@anthony26812 Paladin doesn’t have to clemency themselves, the entire magic phase heals them. I can be damn near dead and pop req, and go into the magic phase of my rotation and I will be fully healed before I’m done with the phase. That while I’m taking damage. Don’t have to use clemency, hell Sheltron can be your mitigation while in your melee phase, you don’t have to use your cools downs in mobs unless the dps are sleep.
@@user-gm9ph8pw5w DRK has a lot of really good mit, but you cannot refute that it has a lack of self healing. TBN with mit doesnt last as long as you think. In the instance of a wall to wall pull in a dungeon even if you use TBN and shadow wall, that shield is going to melt in seconds, and all you get is one "free" use of flood in this case. Once it is gone you are taking auto's mitigated by 30%. In a wall to wall pull that is a lot of damage happening. With the other tanks they have heals that can help to effectively mitigate damage on top of the mitigation from cooldowns. The more heals a tank can provide themselves the less the healers have to do and the more they can add to the dps of the enemies. with DRK you cant do that. TBN pops in seconds and has a 15 second CD if I remember correctly which in some cases means you will be dead if your healer isnt expecting all that damage. Living dead is nice with the heal added to it, but like I said once you fully heal yourself in a dungeon, which will be INSTANT, you have at most 6 or 7 seconds on invuln where you are still taking damage. Homgang is the same, but they have nascent and can heal themselves TO FULL for 3 GCDs, meaning if popped right before holmgang ends the healer doesnt have to worry. In the context of a wall to wall pull, the other tanks are just better at living through it with minimal effort from the healers.
idk i run drk in dungeon and its miserable
The journalists should interview Xeems for tank tiers
Xeno should make a tierlist of journalist articles, tiering which of them were less bad
Technically in terms of being the 'strongest' Invuln, Hallowed Ground's effect is in fact the strongest. It's meaty cooldown however culls it's usefulness.
That’s the point, people confuse being the strongest with being the best, when they have 2 different meanings
Dotesports also has a lot of these wrong sites
I myself cant tank from fear. i somehow can easily heal. but for some reason when it comes to thinking about tanking i am afraid to go into anything with real people. to me its the feeling that if i die as a tank its me. i played wrong. for me as a healer i dont feel that. if someone has stacks and then gets hit again and dies thats not on me. all i can do is get them up and not wipe. and i feel like i do a good job of doing that. even when shit hits the fan we dont wipe, i can hold it together, keep the tanks up and res who needs to be. again what i feel as a tank is i have one job and if i die its on me and i dont like that feeling.
Having fear in FFXIV is something you need to get over, since all the casual content in FFXIV is brain dead easy most of the time, especially if you're a tank. For plenty of bosses in casual content (not all) there's really no reason for you to press any mitigation button, you can literally just sit there and do your combos pointing the boss away from your party, not only that but as a tank messing up a mechanic is much more forgiving than being a healer or DPS since it might not kill you outright. As a tank your job is being hit and that's honestly it, sometimes its your responsibility to help the healer out with mitigation but aside from that your role is the most streamlined content in the game. Unless you're playing savage it literally doesn't matter how shit you "technically" are, just make sure you're getting aggro'd.
Lemme just say this, if you're playing tank and die, that is almost entirely on your healer unless you purposefully walk off the map or do wall to wall pulls in a dungeon and not manage mitigation to a minor degree. Don't be afraid of playing tank, just go for it and you'll get more comfortable.
at this point they HAVE to be purposely doing this so they can get on xeno vid
Me who doesn't even play Tank: Prithee the fuck is this bullshit?
Gun Mode?
Man Mode.
Let's be real. I think the person that makes these articles do it just to piss off xeno😂😂
Please, write an article.
Journalist know Xeno would read them so they pinpoint WAR for Xeno being happy
Tanks and “Variety” in combos just doesn’t go together. I mean VARIETY!? Come on.
6:12
'Murica
I choked on my drink at "decent damage"
DRK main here, this hurts xD
"Has a variety in combos" they say, when DRK is actually the only tank who doesn't have more than one combo. LOL.
CORRECTION: DRK has two combos. Can't forget the AoE
The longer the post the more ad sense to add.
Talking as a PLD main here, I think hallowed Ground is good…..until u realize u have issues getting it back when u would need it again x)
Latest extreme for example u actually need to hard mitigate the 2nd shared buster as PLD since hallowed has to long Cooldown.
But it’s fine if they keep buffing us PLD mains we will be strongest Tank soon so we take the longest Cooldown on invuln.
Can’t wait for spicy 1200 Confiteor and additional stuff for Blade potency ;P
I thought confiteor was only increased to a 1000 potency
the shared tb can just the mitted. Sheltron, Rampart and Sentinel all at once is enough to live it (so long as you are full hp and do not have a vuln stack that is, lol)
Yeah currently Confiteor is 1000 potency, I just mentioned that Confiteor can end up being 1200 potency if they keep buffing blade Combo.
And yeah hard mitigation on 2nd stack as Pld is doable when healers ain’t dead and the Pld knows what to use. All in all it doesn’t hurt to bad, I’m used to far worse dmg. Just saying Brute justice and Crush chaser Auto atks, was my worst experience so far or the latest example P8S does hurt a lot aswell lol x)
@@shiro12okami69 Oh I thought you meant that in this patch it would be 1200 potency.
I'm stupid.
Nahhhh all cool xD, it can be a bit misleading what I was writing lol
I mean they both are wrong, the strongest invul is superbolide, shorter cd and same damage negate as hallow, 1 hp does not matter, in 8 secs GNB can heal itself with out a healer.
Then again, I could claim that LD is the strongest invuln, since it can heal you to full on its own, entirely independent of healers and such.
HG could also be the strongest on account of having absolutely no cost and being the longest invul.
Holmgang could be said to be the strongest for being relatively easy to use, coming earlier than any other in the WAR learnset and having the shortest CD.
And Superbolide could be considered strongest because of what you said.
Each of them has "a strength" and "a weakness". It's more a matter of perspective, I think.
Invuln skils so far I've been playing have been mostly a last resort kind of skill because their cooldown is really long you don't want to waste it on something trivial lol
In dungeons -> run through the entire corridor to the end (from start to boss) and invuln while killing all mobs. In raids -> generally used for TBs
You very obviously have no clue how to play tank. What are you gonna do, save it for the next dungeon? Use it instead of holding on to it and letting it go to waste.
@@delix8869 I save it for when healer is unable to keep up with a large pull i haven't run any optional trials yet.
@@RaidenKaiser The most optimal way to use 1 hp invuls is saving it for when you get sprout healers then popping it the second you start pulling all the mobs before the dps catch up if their behind :^) casual heart attacks all around
@@Screm youre evil lol
Can't wait to see those google translated in french and messing up everything
is this a reupload or are journalists literally making the same tier list ?
Completely different tier list lol
typical problem of inexperienced writers.
longer isnt better. People who talk much often say very little (like, making several bullet points repeating the same thing).
Remember class, when ppl bragged about "my essay is 10 pages long!" but didnt get good scores anyway? Because length doesnt say jackshit about content.
wings is so situational its pointless
He cannot have two bullet points being the same bullet point but Hallowed ground is the best invulnerability skill. Deal with it.
No it's not. Just for example in EX4, there is a double tank buster that can be invulned both times due to it being exactly 6 minutes apart. What's Hallowed Ground cd again? I forgor Oh wait. 7 minutes. If you have a PLD you actually do need to stack up at least once for that double buster because if it gets put on the PLD both times they're just murdered.
you forgot the best paladin skill, Cover.
Good news, Warrior just got a buff!
oh really ?
imagine getting your information from a game journo
Aint that JP datacenter?
Here we go ResidentSleeper
I love these videos haha, always a good time
Buhh
I take drk into dungeons all the time lol. Healers adjust. Also drk is more than just 123. Have you even played drk? I'm wondering.
Writer claims to have a master's degree in English 😂
clemency is a good healing skill, at 1000 cure potency it CAN compete with healers, but not beat them, the strength of the this heal is affected by the mind stat, which a paladin, as a TANK, will have very little of since it serves very little to their tanking needs and they would be far better off focusing on mitigation numbers (tenacity) and damage numbers (strength,critical hit, direct hit, ETC).
these are mostly just seo mills written by people with little to know experience
Regarding defense, all tanks may as well be identical. No reason to pick one over the other... by the time healers have to heal you, you're all getting the same heals no matter what you play. Especially in this tier where you can't just mindlessly invuln every other tank buster without chadding your healers with bleed/poison damage.
Damage or your personal preference are the only things thay matter.
Ummm... No
@@madscientist8138 Ummm... yes.
Man the tank buster in p5s sucks if you are the one taking toxic crunch plus the boss's autos after. With week one gear it really required focus from the healers and tanks miting correctly to not just outright die.
How to tell everyone that you dont play tanks without saying that you dont play tanks:
Run a mob heavy dungeon as dark and then as war. I can run war all day and not need a heal. Cant survive without heals as DRK. Some are better than others in some situations
Even if these points were correct this is still a horribly written article. wtf are these bullet points?
Dragoon is still the best Floor Tank. x3
Pld has the shortest effective invuln with the longest cooldown. That makes it the worst, especially since drk got self heals to recover from walking dead. Best to worst is:
- war
- drk
- gnb
- pld
Ok now I’m going to watch the video.
Are these AI generated or what, the amount of random articles at the bottom just makes me feel like it is
This was probably composed by a bot or A.I. to garner clicks, probably not even a real person.
You don't need a blue pill if you react to garbage game journalist tier lists once per day.
While I would agree that Xeno could probably write quite the compelling article himself, unless he then turned around and made a video of him reading said article and critiquing himself like he does here I don't think I'd go out of my way to read it since it's obviously not going to contain any information that I haven't already heard him say many times. A video, though, could be incredibly entertaining like these videos of him critiquing other people's articles and could lead to other people doing the same to his work which would not only add more entertainment to the FFXIV community but also hopefully push out useful information to people who are just being exposed to FFXIV for the first time. I mean, he could totally make a stream of just him creating and editing the article with the goal in mind that he has to explain things in terms that a non-FFXIV player would somewhat understand while making the jobs sound interesting enough to pick up the game and then his editor could easily turn THAT into the RUclips video. BOOM!! I only hope that I get a small modicum of credit if he actually follows through on my version of this idea but I'll be happy to see Xeno do any version of putting out a proper written article regardless.
Xeno doesnt know the secret rota for DRK is 1-2 combo so u can build mana faster for ur tbn and flood Kekw
Murica!!!!!
ai generated article xdd
Just urinalists as usual
Please make a video about No Melee DPS,
the actual game balance is pretty bad for them.
Especially when Square-enix mention '' the upgrade of the hitboxes '' for decrease Melee DPS stress,
So why the actual DPS difference between Melee DPS and Caster/MCH is so Huge like that ?
8-10%, Square-enix need to fix this bad balance,
and they listen youtube/twitch ff14 celebrity,
so we would be grateful if you could talk about it on video.
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