A long time ago, a n old retired Roadway line mechanic showed me a way to help loosen a bunch of lugnuts like that. while one guy is hammering on the nut with the impact, another guy hammers straight down on the socket with a heavy hammer. It really helped me with those stubborn ones. Also Keine Tools makes a specialty fixture just made for truck disc brakes(air) that you can just jack them up and roll them away. Have a nice day.
I was at first impressed with the Prevost access panels for maintenance until you pointed out the sharp impalers left behind. I would have stuck a piece of packing foam on those because certainly my head would find them.
Taking off that caliper reminds me of working on my friends 1975 Eldorado. Front axle nuts are 1.5", 250 ft lbs and rusty. Broke two 1/2" ratchets, and 1/2 breaker bar.. Went to Sears to get them both replaced and bought a 3/4" breaker bar. When it finally broke loose, the kickback sent the socket 2 houses away.
I was taught many years ago, that you do not use a ratchet wrench in high torque situations. Always use flex head bar. I guess things have changed in the last 60 years.
I have never seen one rig...let alone one wheel/axle break so many tools. The kicker is that the rig is not horribly old...like Lenny. As for the ratchet failure...I thought the same thing as you did as to teeth/guts failing before the case. It makes me wonder how the tool mfr tests/breaks tools when they are in the design stage. A great video on a heckuva nightmare scenario...imagine if it had gotten a flat... You guys never cease to amaze me with the rigs you have brought to you and how many were just a hair away from something catastrophic happening. The motoring public thanks you in all that you do fixing other peoples eff ups and making things safe again🙂
Scott, this is probably one of the worst buses you have had to work on. I can appreciate the issues you have in North America because of road salt but I suggest that the state of this vehicle, the rust everywhere, general neglect, driving it on the roads borders almost on criminal neglect. The condition of this bus has taken years, not weeks! Its is shameful that anyone has let this vehicle get to its current state of general disrepair. I certainly hope that you can get it to a condition that makes it relatively safe to drive on the road, and I hope something can be done about the treatment of the overall rust. The very best of luck to you.
Yearly inspections should've caught stuff like uneven break pad/disk wear, stuck brakes etc imho. The rust seems mostly superficial. The thing is crusty, but i'm halfway in and haven't seen anything structurally dangerous.
How did this bus get certified to be on the road. Commercial buses have to be certified every 6 months here in Australia. Private buses every 12 months. Seems you can get away with murder in America with this sort of corrosive damage. Why don’t Americans get active and try to ban salting of roads.
@@BusGreaseMonkey Would never get on the road here in Australia. Seems someone used the redneck torque settings too, “Tighten up the bolt til it strips then back it off two turns”.
I agree with what you say and also with the road transport authorities here in Australia would have had that bus off the road a long time before it got to this terrible state.
The air fins on those rotors should not look like clogged up radiator channels . Where was that bus driven? In a salt mine? Flooded maybe? Zero maintenance for sure..
I was told that if a vehicle you looking at is extremely nice outside. Most of the time there is something being hidden. Putting lipstick on a pig it's still a pig.
😅you could save yourselves hours of frustration by using MALTBY Penetrating Oil. Family owned since 1919. I'm an ASE Master tech, been using it for 50 years.
Man I was wincing hard with the camera up close to that 1/2" drive and 4' breaker bar. I don't blame the ratchet for breaking honestly. That's a whole lot of force.
I have no metric impact sockets and unfortunately my 3/4 sockets were 12 point and i 6 point sae were required which meant we had to use 1/2”. An adapter to 3/4 would have lost more torque than the larger guns would have stepped it up to. Not silly
Absolutely insane, why isn't there a way to hold bad/ dangerous mechanics accountable? I just worked on a trailer, it had 3 Haldex and 1 meritor slack adjuster, basically only 3 brakes were working. This bus could've easily gone up in flames. Neither of us has any legal way to hold the previous mechanic accountable.
But when new rotors are over $100 each, you always try to get them turned at least one time for reuse. Keep it on the shelf wrapped in plastic and treated with LPS 3 antirust wax based spray. And in the original boxes. 14:59
IR makes pneumatic 1in that are a lot more powerful (2000 ftlbs) than the old bluepoint he owns and they cost cost about 700 bucks. Cordless is bullshit in a shop, especially when you consider the fact it isn't going to last as long as a pneumatic tool and isn't nearly as durable.
@theprofessorfate6184 that Milwaukee gun is awesome. One wheel in a year it struggled on. And the torque multiplier was going to break and still not get it. It broke the giant bud wheel socket.
Couple tips from a 45 year machinist... take the extension off the Milwaukee. The extension absorbs a lot of shock without it.. that Shock will go directly to the socket and break Free More difficult nuts... also rap the top with a heavy hammer when you soak them and every now and then when they don't come Free... the shock helps loosen the thread and migrate the penetrating oil deeper... But it's mostly the shock.. You can get a high frequency to go right through that bolt ..
I never used rachets till I had stuff broke loose because they could break. (big farm equipment with big bolts). LOL we used a lot bigger cheater bars as there was more open space on farm equipment. (my uncle was 6-4 230) We also lost a lot of sockets as he dropped the tools where we worked once the job was done. I would like to get a metal detector and sweep the spots we worked. Bet we would find several sets of tools.
I guess all this work is cause by the lack of proper maintenance over the years. its amazing that you can really get this stuff apart and have anything left to work with,
So, I'm wondering....by the condition of that (worst) caliper....did this bus just SIT.....out in the rain for 10 years..? Or.... it "survived" a flood....? #WhataMess
Zeroing out a Prevost will normally cost 30-50,000.00. You are taking this bus back to new running gear. Notice how overbuilt and designed for ease of maintenance a Prevost Chassis is built compared to most RV's. This person was smart to buy a used Prevost if they are happy with the interior. Good for another 500,000 miles.
it looks that this bus had a lack of maintenance and it is stuck with rust .May be this bus was decomitionned for quit a long time or that bus run in winter with salt and abrasive and remember this bus has been built in a place called ST-CLAIRE ,QUEBEC with rough winter ,so good luck for the rest of your repairs.
Thanks for the entertainment = struggling with tough jobs. As an Aussie I cannot believe the corrosion that can occur in vehicles in your environment. I have 60 year old cars with no rust. Keep up the good work
He was literally using his fingers to pull flakes and chunks off the rim. Yes some of the pile was from the brakes but the rim is bubbling and deteriorating
Good luck trying to get these Lug Nuts off on the side of the road. Oh, well I've had a similar problem getting Lug Nuts off on my 4 wheeler after a Car Dealer visit
Sometimes, I threaded the bolt of nut back on a little to get the bolt nut out of the socket. Hammering the socket or the bolt on the floor or with a hammer sometimes worked it loose.
I'd fluid film the entire chassis....I'm in the rust belt and I use fluid film on all my vehicles, motorcoach, trailers, tractors, ect... i put that stuff on everything.....i gave up on removing rust up here, just keeping it at bay is cost effective.
Have you ever tried using an impact hammer (electric or air) with a blunt nose tool to hammer the seized nuts and bolts? Pretty much anything stuck, really. I have seen other shops use them with a lot of success. So successful, they start with the hammer now instead of sprays or heat. Then try to get it off. If not. More drastic measures are allowed, lol.
Nice, dang that’s alot of work. That bus definitely did much of its service in the salt, guessing the passenger side is always worst because of the build up of slush on most roads goes toward that side. Need to try that 1/2” tite reach on those caliper bolts, I use my 3/4” drive Milwaukee impact on mine all the time and have hammered the crap out of it and it’s still going fine. I bought a backup one when you posted that discount but it’s still in the package so far.
If you have a quick disconnect coupler on 1 inch gun it could restrict air flow they make hi flow quick disconnect couplers try putting air line directly on gun
Would someone please draw me a photo or give me an idea on how the hell they arrange the air bags? To me they seem just all over the place. Nothing like a gm bus where the 2 bags are in the same position. Where this coach is just all over. I'll provide my email to you
I was in a couple railroad shops years ago and I noticed the tools for the really big bolts were just thick plates steel stampings with the six point hex on one end and the handle end was made for either a hammer or very large extension bar --- no harbor freight ratchets or breaker bars or ratchets of any kind above a certain size - I also saw what had to be some of the biggest dam impact wrenches on the planet, looked like around inch and a half or inch and a quarter drive with sockets that would likely break your foot if you dropped one on it. I assume this kind of thing in the video is why.
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I had no idea that buses that look so nice on the outside could be a total disaster on the inside with decades of delayed maintenance.
Every bus that looks good usually is a nightmare underneath.
@@BusGreaseMonkey That's why buses, like boats, should be referred to as 'she'.
My thought on this is, don't be so concerned about how much it costs as opposed to can you afford the maintenance?
Yeah seen it time and again. Pretty bus often means Struggle Bus.
haha that makes me laugh, my friend oh my goodness
Scott, you have taught me to stay the hell away from private coaches on the highway. Thank you!
A long time ago, a n old retired Roadway line mechanic showed me a way to help loosen a bunch of lugnuts like that.
while one guy is hammering on the nut with the impact, another guy hammers straight down on the socket with a heavy hammer. It really helped me with those stubborn ones. Also Keine Tools makes a specialty fixture just made for truck disc brakes(air) that you can just jack them up and roll them away. Have a nice day.
Thanks for posting this…. better than watching the debate!!
So is watching paint dry.... just saying.
Anything better than watching worthless politics
Those Budd wheels look beyond the end of their life
Very poor shipping on Prevost part
Sad!!!! Disgusting!!!
Poor, poor, poor maintenance. Oops!! NO maintenance
I was at first impressed with the Prevost access panels for maintenance until you pointed out the sharp impalers left behind. I would have stuck a piece of packing foam on those because certainly my head would find them.
This bus is a very graphic example of what winter road salt can do to any vehicle. Only road salt can be this destructive!
I live in the north and I hate road salt with a passion. We should embrace winter.
Great channel reminds me of my dad's shop, only they were working on semi's. The busses are different, but the size of gear and problems are similar.
A little heat goes a long ways
A little heat doesn’t usually do anything. A lot of heat we go to often but it wasn’t needed
That bus looks like it came from Ohio or new York glad your getting it fixed
You fellows do such great work. Look forward to each video.
Another great episode!
I love how you always put safety first when working with your guys 👍👍
The young lad should have had safety glass removing the lug nut, after seeing that socket break…..😮
The labor for the repairs will be more than the coach is worth.
Taking off that caliper reminds me of working on my friends 1975 Eldorado. Front axle nuts are 1.5", 250 ft lbs and rusty. Broke two 1/2" ratchets, and 1/2 breaker bar.. Went to Sears to get them both replaced and bought a 3/4" breaker bar.
When it finally broke loose, the kickback sent the socket 2 houses away.
I was taught many years ago, that you do not use a ratchet wrench in high torque situations. Always use flex head bar. I guess things have changed in the last 60 years.
Wow, this has been the most amusing video yet, albeit at your expense. A serious amount of work!
What a rust bucket 🪣
This Prevost did serve its previous life in the Salt Lake City area...and we all know what that means.
I have never seen one rig...let alone one wheel/axle break so many tools. The kicker is that the rig is not horribly old...like Lenny. As for the ratchet failure...I thought the same thing as you did as to teeth/guts failing before the case. It makes me wonder how the tool mfr tests/breaks tools when they are in the design stage.
A great video on a heckuva nightmare scenario...imagine if it had gotten a flat...
You guys never cease to amaze me with the rigs you have brought to you and how many were just a hair away from something catastrophic happening.
The motoring public thanks you in all that you do fixing other peoples eff ups and making things safe again🙂
Wow I love how much access there is with the panels off. Maintenance should be dumb easy with all that room
Jonathan is a beast! Great assistant
Never again will I look at a shiny coach or RV in the same way. This RV is/was a disaster.
That Milwaukee looks like a mini anti-aircraft gun.
And Kroil is not overrated.
Absolutely CRIMINAL the way this coach "maintained"
Considering i suspect all that was clearly done in revenue service…
15:50 What a awesome camera shot, love the slo-mo
How your son and his bus going I havent been getting notifications RUclips for your channel and you are not the only channel
Private coaches should be pulled in for random roadside safety inspection.
Scott, this is probably one of the worst buses you have had to work on. I can appreciate the issues you have in North America because of road salt but I suggest that the state of this vehicle, the rust everywhere, general neglect, driving it on the roads borders almost on criminal neglect. The condition of this bus has taken years, not weeks! Its is shameful that anyone has let this vehicle get to its current state of general disrepair. I certainly hope that you can get it to a condition that makes it relatively safe to drive on the road, and I hope something can be done about the treatment of the overall rust. The very best of luck to you.
Trust me, he's seen worse.
Yearly inspections should've caught stuff like uneven break pad/disk wear, stuck brakes etc imho.
The rust seems mostly superficial. The thing is crusty, but i'm halfway in and haven't seen anything structurally dangerous.
That 1950’s bus they just did was no picnic either. Old buses seem like a lot of labor. 😂
I’ve never seen a caliber look that bad or a rotor, will take it back. I had metal metal once
They didn't turn the rotors probably too thin to turn. Check your rotor specifications might be actionable against the previous shop. 💰💰 8:01
Good ratchets should be designed to break the drive before the body so all you need to fix it is a rebuild kit
Lordy-that is gonna be one SPENDY fix. Disc brakes are outstanding-but when they have deteriorated to that extent-get the Amex Black card out.......
Why not use some heat to remove lug nuts
Looked brutal; great channel
Well I understand why Milwaukee makes that insane gun now, heavy-duty is a different world from light cars\trucks.
I think hobo Freight will exchange that wrench for you
I believe that the tag axle rim is toast
Where can I get one of those refillable presser spray cans from? keep up the great videos.
They even make cans like this amzn.to/3RN3R4k
Some gorilla must have torqued up those wheel nuts, lucky it didn't need changing at the side of the road
How did this bus get certified to be on the road. Commercial buses have to be certified every 6 months here in Australia. Private buses every 12 months. Seems you can get away with murder in America with this sort of corrosive damage. Why don’t Americans get active and try to ban salting of roads.
It’s been out of commercial service for quite some time. Private ownership and RV classification means it’s mostly exempt from most regulations.
@@BusGreaseMonkey Would never get on the road here in Australia. Seems someone used the redneck torque settings too, “Tighten up the bolt til it strips then back it off two turns”.
I agree with what you say and also with the road transport authorities here in Australia would have had that bus off the road a long time before it got to this terrible state.
The air fins on those rotors should not look like clogged up radiator channels . Where was that bus driven? In a salt mine? Flooded maybe? Zero maintenance for sure..
Salt=job security.
That looks to new for u to be messing with did u get rid of Lenny I haven’t seen him in a min
That bus must live in a salt state
I was told that if a vehicle you looking at is extremely nice outside. Most of the time there is something being hidden. Putting lipstick on a pig it's still a pig.
😅you could save yourselves hours of frustration by using MALTBY Penetrating Oil. Family owned since 1919. I'm an ASE Master tech, been using it for 50 years.
This bus must be possessed.
I never drive my bus in wintertime, salt is just a disaster..
If anyone has doubts about Milwaukee torque, your broken socket is proof of that power.
It looks like a Le Bus coach, they use alot of salt on the roads in Utah
Can I fit those calipers on my honda?
Get the welder out quick and fix that ratchet Scott
Painting the studs never helps!
Man I was wincing hard with the camera up close to that 1/2" drive and 4' breaker bar. I don't blame the ratchet for breaking honestly. That's a whole lot of force.
Yeah you just don't put a pipe on a little 1/2 " ratchet
I can see the rust for miles and miles. Just outright ugly.
Why 1/2 inch drive on that particular job , silly boy's
I have no metric impact sockets and unfortunately my 3/4 sockets were 12 point and i 6 point sae were required which meant we had to use 1/2”. An adapter to 3/4 would have lost more torque than the larger guns would have stepped it up to. Not silly
Just paint it white. No one will notice the safety issues. Wow.
It's a Florida coach alright... Salt everywhere.
Salt Lake City
@@BusGreaseMonkey Wow... ok Didn't realize it was that salty there...
*disc brakes
This bus is a piece of shit from one end to the other. Horrible design.
I drove those coaches commercially when they just came off the line. How can they be this old? I know I am not that old!
Some of the stuff you guys see in just insane. I hope other maintenance people watch your videos and learn something.
Absolutely insane, why isn't there a way to hold bad/ dangerous mechanics accountable? I just worked on a trailer, it had 3 Haldex and 1 meritor slack adjuster, basically only 3 brakes were working. This bus could've easily gone up in flames. Neither of us has any legal way to hold the previous mechanic accountable.
Now you can get an idea of what it was like , repairing busses and coaches for NYC transit
As I have gotten older (now 70) I just replace everything (Rotor and calipers on cars) it is just easier, cheaper safer in the long run.
But when new rotors are over $100 each, you always try to get them turned at least one time for reuse. Keep it on the shelf wrapped in plastic and treated with LPS 3 antirust wax based spray. And in the original boxes. 14:59
Can't use a cheater pipe on a Ratchet ! You know better than that! 😊 18:57 😂
Well, so much for the air vs. cordless strength argument.
Milwaukee has a new version of the 1/2” that is more powerful
IR makes pneumatic 1in that are a lot more powerful (2000 ftlbs) than the old bluepoint he owns and they cost cost about 700 bucks. Cordless is bullshit in a shop, especially when you consider the fact it isn't going to last as long as a pneumatic tool and isn't nearly as durable.
@theprofessorfate6184 that Milwaukee gun is awesome. One wheel in a year it struggled on. And the torque multiplier was going to break and still not get it. It broke the giant bud wheel socket.
This cordless Milwaukee is 1900 ft lbs by the way. Lug nuts are supposed to be 450-500. Everyday shop use it’s 100% the right tool
You can send that Brake Rotor down to Clarke Easterling at Windy Hill Foundry and he'll recycle it for you! 🤣
Couple tips from a 45 year machinist... take the extension off the Milwaukee. The extension absorbs a lot of shock without it.. that Shock will go directly to the socket and break Free More difficult nuts... also rap the top with a heavy hammer when you soak them and every now and then when they don't come Free... the shock helps loosen the thread and migrate the penetrating oil deeper... But it's mostly the shock.. You can get a high frequency to go right through that bolt
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Extensions loose lots of torque. That is not an extension on the Milwaukee it’s the anvil.
I've allways said ,don't paint your studs and nuts😎👍
I never used rachets till I had stuff broke loose because they could break. (big farm equipment with big bolts). LOL we used a lot bigger cheater bars as there was more open space on farm equipment. (my uncle was 6-4 230) We also lost a lot of sockets as he dropped the tools where we worked once the job was done. I would like to get a metal detector and sweep the spots we worked. Bet we would find several sets of tools.
Great testament (reason for) impact sockets and breaker bars LOL
I would of preferred drum brakes if I had a choice. What does Jonathan eat to break so many tools?
I guess all this work is cause by the lack of proper maintenance over the years. its amazing that you can really get this stuff apart and have anything left to work with,
what about bigger thicker sockets? weighted
This man and his understudy are capable of anything!
I've had to put a 243 lb starter in on the outside of an engine on the ship mostly on my head never any fun. You get it done.
So, I'm wondering....by the condition of that (worst) caliper....did this bus just SIT.....out in the rain for 10 years..?
Or.... it "survived" a flood....? #WhataMess
I wonder if that bus was one of the ones that got flood damage back several years ago in Nashville
Zeroing out a Prevost will normally cost 30-50,000.00. You are taking this bus back to new running gear. Notice how overbuilt and designed for ease of maintenance a Prevost Chassis is built compared to most RV's. This person was smart to buy a used Prevost if they are happy with the interior. Good for another 500,000 miles.
That Icon ratchet was an impressive break I was expecting the yoke to break if any thing did.
it looks that this bus had a lack of maintenance and it is stuck with rust .May be this bus was decomitionned for quit a long time or that bus run in winter with salt and abrasive and remember this bus has been built in a place called ST-CLAIRE ,QUEBEC with rough winter ,so good luck for the rest of your repairs.
Thanks for the entertainment = struggling with tough jobs. As an Aussie I cannot believe the corrosion that can occur in vehicles in your environment. I have 60 year old cars with no rust.
Keep up the good work
Ken, you have less water and you have no ice so you have no salt so you have no rust.
Fancy new calliper brakes and old fashioned neglect. Neglect wins every time.
All that metal in the rim was stuff the brake pads were throwing off the rotor!!
He was literally using his fingers to pull flakes and chunks off the rim. Yes some of the pile was from the brakes but the rim is bubbling and deteriorating
Good luck trying to get these Lug Nuts off on the side of the road. Oh, well I've had a similar problem getting Lug Nuts off on my 4 wheeler after a Car Dealer visit
Sometimes, I threaded the bolt of nut back on a little to get the bolt nut out of the socket. Hammering the socket or the bolt on the floor or with a hammer sometimes worked it loose.
I'd fluid film the entire chassis....I'm in the rust belt and I use fluid film on all my vehicles, motorcoach, trailers, tractors, ect... i put that stuff on everything.....i gave up on removing rust up here, just keeping it at bay is cost effective.
I am firm believer in Fluid Film
Just open the oil drain so it drips and drive down the highway, instant rust protection lol
Fluid Film RULES.
That was impressive breaking that many and the type of tools. Lots more work to go though. Someone did this bus massively wrong.
Have you ever tried using an impact hammer (electric or air) with a blunt nose tool to hammer the seized nuts and bolts? Pretty much anything stuck, really. I have seen other shops use them with a lot of success. So successful, they start with the hammer now instead of sprays or heat. Then try to get it off. If not. More drastic measures are allowed, lol.
Nice, dang that’s alot of work. That bus definitely did much of its service in the salt, guessing the passenger side is always worst because of the build up of slush on most roads goes toward that side. Need to try that 1/2” tite reach on those caliper bolts, I use my 3/4” drive Milwaukee impact on mine all the time and have hammered the crap out of it and it’s still going fine. I bought a backup one when you posted that discount but it’s still in the package so far.
Recently had a local tire shop death. Still not sure but a tire exploded. I worked with plenty, but scary.
I didnt know they came with disc brakes being how old it is...and who tightened all the bolts on that axle? Donkey Kong himself??
If you have a quick disconnect coupler on 1 inch gun it could restrict air flow they make hi flow quick disconnect couplers try putting air line directly on gun
Would someone please draw me a photo or give me an idea on how the hell they arrange the air bags? To me they seem just all over the place. Nothing like a gm bus where the 2 bags are in the same position. Where this coach is just all over. I'll provide my email to you
Must have lived on the east coast.
I was in a couple railroad shops years ago and I noticed the tools for the really big bolts were just thick plates steel stampings with the six point hex on one end and the handle end was made for either a hammer or very large extension bar --- no harbor freight ratchets or breaker bars or ratchets of any kind above a certain size - I also saw what had to be some of the biggest dam impact wrenches on the planet, looked like around inch and a half or inch and a quarter drive with sockets that would likely break your foot if you dropped one on it. I assume this kind of thing in the video is why.
Another accident waiting to happen… plenty of poor maintenance done there. BGM will set it on the right road! 🇦🇺🍺🍺
Sounds like my sons 1st car ,, yes one owner vehicle yet every thing I MEAN every thing needs servicing .
Sandblast
Free socket… Now if only you could find another socket wrench to replace the broken one you would be even.
PLEASE TRY 50/50 ATF AND ACETONE.....BETTER THAN ANY SPRAY CAN STUFF.........
I can’t understand why you would use 1/2” drive sockets and ratchets
holy hell how do you even get lugnuts that tight.
New England road salt.
do you have one of those stubby impacts? would be helpful with those caliper bolts
I feel certain that bus sat in salt water for an extended time. That’s a ridiculous amount of rust!