I always found it odd that Kirk's nexus fantasy wasn't commanding the Enterprise since that's clearly what he wanted most in the world. Instead he is chopping wood.
It definitely seems against character. It might have been the limitations in bringing in the old cast as I don't think Kirk would have considered it "his bridge" without "his crew".
Kirk regretted not having a wife and lots of children. Commanding a Starship comes to an end with retirement meanwhile a wife and children can last a lifetime and to continue on your family tree and genes.
Fun fact - the house Picard finds Kirk in - and the horse barn and fields where they ride the horses all belonged to William Shatner at the time. Johnathon Frakes was wearing Avery Brook's uniform (Capt Sisko DS9)
Killing Kirk onscreen was the first mistake. Having him do so in a situation less perilous than other things he'd already been through was another. Having Picard bury him on a remote planet was another. The final insult was not showing Picard tell anyone about meeting him.
The woman we see waiting for Kirk on horseback should have been Edith Keeler (Joan Collins) from the episode "The City on the Edge of Forever". She was one of the few women Kirk truly loved, and getting a chance to spend an eternity with her would be far more difficult for him to leave. I can picture her telling Kirk he must go. "Be the Captain, the hero, I know you are and meant to be." There wouldn't be a dry eye in the house.
Generations has a very special place for me. After the TNG finale the actors literally got on with this movie. It has flaws, but I'm still a big fan of this film.
Under the rules of the Nexus, you can say Soran both won and lost. He made it to the Nexus so despite Picard stopping him on the replay, some version of him did get a happy ending. The worst part was Picard’s snap judgment of I know exactly where and when I want to go. He could have gone back to the Enterprise a few days earlier and arrested Soran before he destroyed the Amigosa Star and Kirk could have magically appeared in the captain’s chair on the bridge on the Enterprise B. Essentially, the entire movie wouldn’t have happened.
Yup... said this myself 29 years ago in a review I wrote. So did a lot of others at the time. If Picard had gone back a week, he could have saved Robert & Rene from the fire, then dealt with the Duras Sisters & Soran pre-emptively. No movie. But I do like your ending... that way Moore's own canon (from Relics) would have remained intact.
@@more-reasons6655 All they had to do was somehow write it so that you couldn’t come out at any time. By saying anytime they made Picard’s decision seem not particularly we’ll contemplated.
Say what you will about Generations, for all its flaws (and it has many), it was one of the most beautifully filmed of all the Trek films. To this day, it is GORGEOUS to watch, so vibrant. A master class in lighting and set design.
Star Trek sure had a great run between 1979 and 1998 when it came to movies. While not the best of these, I still find Generations always fun to watch every now and then. I consider it the 2nd best after First Contact of the TNG movies.
It was okay at the time. Nowadays the movies end with ST6 for me. And not just because of Patrick Stewarts woke antics with Pukehard ruining TNG for me. I find that the TNG hold up very poorly with time. I never bothered to watch Nemesis, it sounded beyond stupid at the time, IX was meh and I had no desire to ever see it again even before Pukehard. First Contact was a dumb action flick and the introduction of the Borg Queen did immense damage to the concept of the Borg. And Generations k1lled off Kirk in the dumbest way possible. And for all the TNG movies Stewart's desire to be Kung Fu action grip Picard showed that he had no understanding whatsoever of his own character. In contrast the TOS movies have aged very well. Even ST1 and 5. Although 4 might look a little dated taking place in the 80's.
@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 I watched tng and ds9 when they originally aired, and loved both. Having said that, I was never a fan of the tng movies, even first contact. They always felt like they leaned to heavily into action movies and they always failed at being more than adequate at that. For me the best trek movies will always be the original movies and the best of those imo will all always be the Undiscovered Country.
I think the sense of urgency within the Nexus could be resolved pretty easily. As you say, Kirk and Picard could spend a thousand years there experiencing everything they wanted before tackling the issue with Soran. So, all they needed to do was add a line explaining that, the longer you spend in the Nexus, the harder it is to recognize that you’re in it? Guinan does actually warn Picard before that if he goes into the Nexus, he won’t care about anything outside of it, he’ll just want to stay there. This line is what I think was supposed to give urgency for Picard to leave, but on its own it’s pretty weak. Or, they could have had the Nexus have an impact on memory over time. The longer you’re there, the more you forget about things that cause you pain and anxiety, so that Picard knows that if he doesn’t leave quick enough, he’ll forget what it is he needs to do. Also, I think the reason Picard saw explosions in the ornaments wasn’t due to the Nexus, but his own willpower and determination to due his duty regardless of the sacrifices he would have to endure himself in order to fulfill it.
I think the decision they made to leave the nexus besides having All the pros and none of the cons makes it even more impactful. It shows that Kirk and Picard are highly morally people.
My problem is that Picard recognizes he's in The Nexus far too easily. There should've been some actual conflict with him trying to figure it out. Maybe some kind of psychological drama.
I love Generations, if only for its GORGEOUS soundtrack. It’s a mystery to me why they replaced him with Goldsmith afterwards. Even if the death of Kirk itself is underwhelming, the moment is carried by one of the most incredible pieces of underscore which superimposes the OG and next generation themes on one another. Fracking genius…😊 Thanks for doing this video and recognising McCarthy in it!
What always bothered me was, if they could travel to any time, why did they travel to right before the middle launches when they could have jumped to a few days prior when Soran was still on the D and stopped him before destroying the first star.
You've obviously never watched TNG or DS9. The answer is that Starfleet is hellbent on preserving what they perceive to be the original timeline, viewing changes to it as incorrect and needing to be removed. By arriving just before the launch, Picard is ensuring that the change he brought with him would be minimized.
I agree with you on all fronts here. Dennis McCarthy’s score is phenomenal, I actually got to see him conduct the Overture for Generations with a live orchestra in Los Angeles, it was phenomenal, it brought the house down. Had a good chat to him too. I think the film is generally pretty underrated and under appreciated, there’s a lot of like, I think it’s the most cinematic of all the Next Gen movies.
One other point: Picard ignored Kirk's advice. Kirk told him to never leave the bridge of a Starship. "Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do *anything* that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there... you can make a difference." Then in the Picard series he was promoted and transferred.
I think that was Kirk’s best line in the entire film. It’s definitely the one I remember the best. It really spoke of a man who lived and breathed the life on the Bridge.
Well I think at that time he had no choice either accept promotion or retirement and besides Picard isn’t Kirk while he wanted to fly as long as possible he also was a realist and knew he could be useful as a admiral while Kirk as stocked said was destined to be a captain.
I have strong memories of this film. My best friend and I saw it opening weekend. He had never watched TNG before. He went back and saw 7 more times, and collected 6 cups. I only went on one of those trips. When the enterprise d was destroyed the entire theatre was silent. And then my friend dropped his cup in shock and the audience broke out in laughter. One of the most perfect moments in theatre for me.
I actually enjoyed it well enough to watch it several times over the years. It had many flaws and was more of another episode than movie. It has a lot of fine, memorable moments. And a great soundtrack!
8:22 I always assumed that this was the Nexus’ way of trying to entice people to stay. Here’s Picard in Kirk’s Nexus reality(?) trying to get him to leave while the Nexus fights back in a way, showing new experiences. “Hey remember this time? Remember these people? You loved this!”, albeit done poorly. I felt that the Nexus was a sentient creature rather than some magical energy ribbon.
Interestingly, there is the mission in STO that kind of went with a theme similar to that. The Nexus was a prison for a powerful entity called Khaj'Buur...who escapes during "Beyond the Nexus" where you team up with LaForge and includes getting onboard a Galaxy class ship again there. It's an interesting mission there considering he can possess people and manages to take over two ships at one point
I've loved Generations ever since going to see it when it first came out! While I share your thoughts about some of the plot devices not really working, I on the other hand had no problem with it and I was one of the people that cheered when the two captains got together! I think it's also held out very well dues to the many things that were great in the first place, with the soundtrack being one and the excellent cinematography! I loved that TNG finally got their big budget big screen movie! I have the box set, that I can now enjoy whenever I want, and never grow tired of it!
I still theorize that Picard never left the Nexus Ribbon. All that took place from that point on was Picard's "heaven", a life filled with challenges to overcome and give meaning.
When I saw the film when it came out, that was my thinking too. Every thing in the nexus can be argued as being part of Picards fantasy, nexus Guinan never met Picard, yet she knows him, her saying that he can time travel is basically a fantasy created by Picards mind, the time travel ending is only possible inside the nexus, or it would create a time travel paradox the writers ignored, or weren’t smart enough to fix.
That would be his true fantasy. Having a family is a desire sure, but ultimately he’s an explorer and adventurer. The family can be there for him to return to between adventures, but he’ll always have an excuse to be whisked away.
I wrote up an alternate ending for Generations a long time ago. Kirk goes back to the Enterprise-B and has Soran rig up the deflector dish, so *he* gets sucked into the Nexus. Meanwhile, Picard warns Robert about the faulty heating unit, saing them. They also rethink the whole promotion thing on the holodeck, thus heading off Data's experience with the emotion chip. Would've been a lot cheaper to reshoot.
Agree. An additional point; Kirk told us in ST V that he had always known he would die alone. He didn't really know Picard, but he knew enough that Picard was the captain of a future Enterprise and they had a kindred spirit there. Kirk wasn't alone when he died.
That's just what he thought. He wasn't prophetic though. I always just chalked it up to a Doc Holliday like situation. He always thought he would die with his boots on in a gunfight, and then passed away quietly in a bed in bare feet.
@@mattrinck7503 I'd always seen it as he believed that, with his luck, he'd outlive what friends/family he had left. Dying alone in a world that no longer recognizes him
Anybody interested in the struggles associated with writing a 'Star Trek' screenplay that satisfies all Studio demands, while also addressing personal concerns of all the lead actors needs to read 'FADE IN', a book by Michael Piller that details the production difficulties with 'Insurrection'. For instance, they were concerned about even using the entire 'fountain of youth' concept, for fear that Patrick Stewart would feel it suggested that he/Picard seemed 'OLD'...
I really like Generations. The Enterprise B was gorgeous, Soran a really compelling villain with an actual understandable goal and Macdowell playing him perfectly. Really there is only some minor details that annoyed me, like the reused explosion of the Klingon ship and the misfitting uniforms.
Yeah, it's like every bird of prey explodes the EXACT same way, lol. I also really like Generations. I like it as much as First Contact, if I'm honest.
Every time I see the opening to this film, I just get a flashback to Redlettermedias mr plinkett review where he says "only the ones who were lame enough to show up showed up"
The premise behind Trilithium always bothered me because it contradicted the plot of Captain's Holiday. Also you've either misunderstood or misremembered how Guinan is talking to Picard. It's stated elsewhere that the Nexus intersects all places at all times which is why Picard is able to travel back in time and Kirk forward. The Guinan we're seeing is Guinan while trapped in the Nexus, prior to the Ent B rescuing her.
I often felt the Guinan character was open ended purposely. She just seemed to be connected to other IP aspects too conveniently when convenient. The mystery surrounding her became stretched.
I'll buy that the Nexus intersects Certain places at Certain times, but all? Why would it be seen physically traveling through space, then? And at slower-than-light speeds? I'd say you can go to any place that the Nexus intersects at any time, but not anywhere. This is why Picard couldn't go to Ten Forward and arrest Soran immediately, like many claim; it never intersected the Enterprise...
I’m not a critic so my eye is always more forgiving to films and I really enjoyed this one. You point out some interesting points of criticism but they didn’t affect me so it remains one of my favourite Star Trek movies out of them all.
the visuals, the opening sequence, the crash of the saucer section, and Data's scenery chewing are worth the price of admission alone...yeah- it has some problems, but way better than most of anything that has come out with Trek since 2009...and, there was nothing like seeing some of these scenes on a "huge" screen...
This was one of my favorite movies when I was a kid. I know it was designed to be nostalgia bait just looking for a way to have Kirk in, but I remember it being fun.
_First Contact_ may be the "Wrath of Khan" of the TNG movies, and their undisputed king, but in some ways I like _Generations_ better. The stakes are high, but not really pressing for the Federation since the world being destroyed isn't a member or particularly advanced. Despite that, the Enterprise crew fight desperately to prevent that world's destruction, truly representing the best parts of human empathy and compassion. Plus, pocket watches are cool, and always will be.
I've always been a bit of a defender on Generations. Sure, Kirk's send off is not explosive or astounding, but I believe it's rather fitting for his character just how quiet and softly he goes. For a man who spent his entire career living on the proverbial edge of his captain's chair, it was a bit refreshing to see him pass away just like any other man. Sometimes, your number is simply up.
Loved this when it came out. I was in High School at the time - A local Video Rental shop had a large Generations display. I asked to take it and they tolled me to come back in a few weeks before they binned it - went back and the person remembered and surprisingly gave it to me. Had to walk the 4ft display on my school bus with it to get back home, had a lot of strange looks from people around me. 😂
I still recall the parachute Kirk toy which indicated a deleted scene which we would not see for decades. I think, originally, William Shatner was supposed to be the old captain turning young, Admiral Jamison from Season 1 of TNG.
I seem to remember reading at the time that the 2 horses Kirk & Picard ride were William Shatner's own horses. And rather lovely they are too. Anyway I saw the film & liked it. And I'd like to re-watch.
One thing I could not understand about the Enterprise D in the episode The Best of both worlds the Enterprise D could randomly shift its shield frequency so that the Borg could not lock on with a tractor beam why did they not shift shield frequencies when the bird of prey was firing at them....?
I remember seeing that movie in theaters. and for me and the rest of the audience that watched it with me thought that movie just ...stunk 🤧🤧up the joint That was the most anticlimactic death of an iconic figure I've ever seen in movie Cinema 🙄🙄😞😞😞😞
I read that after Kirk's apparent death on the Enterprise B, the film was supposed to show the enterprise D battling several romulan ships, but the studio felt that was too predictable and wanted it rewritten.
This reminds me of why studio 'heads' are not professional script writers. It's like a CEO telling someone how to do their job while being unable to do it themselves.
Insurrection and Nemesis were a waste of money. Generations is still a good movie despite its plot holes. Picard and Kirk in the Nexus together is still one of my favorite scenes in all of Star Trek. Kirk: What's this planet? Varidian III? I take it the odds are against us and the situation is grim. Picard: You might say that. Kirk: Who am I to argue with the Captain of the Enterprise? If Spock were here he'd say I'm an emotional and illogical man for taking on a mission like that. "Sounds like fun." (Paraphrased of course.)
Star Trek: Generations is one of my favorite guilty pleasures, especially around the holidays and Christmas 🎄 time. You can hate on it all you want but I absolutely love ❤️ the musical score 🎼 and really feel for Picard and his wish to have a real family and child like Renee who I felt a real connection with in “Family” Ep 2 season 4 of TNG. His desire for a life away from Star Fleet and Kirk’s advice on being a captain of a Star ship are timeless and unforgettable moments for me in this film. Picard’s speech at the end about “Time is a companion that goes with you on the Journey” is heartwarming and assuring message that stays with you well after the film has concluded. I have watched this film well over 50 times and will gladly watch is another 50 and continue to enjoy it. I love this film plain and simple.
I saw Generations in the Theater 5 times. The first two were fanboy, the next 3 were literally trying to figure out if I liked it or not. I decided not. Because I recognized that it was literally just a long episode with slightly better CGI and graphics. That and I instantly recognized the re-use of the bird of prey destruction scene from Undiscovered Country.
One of the first shots of the Enterprise-D looked like an upscaled shot from the TV series. I remember being crushed in that moment. Paramount pinching pennies yet again.
I can't remember exactly, but was the Enterprise-B orbiting Earth during its christening before its first takeoff? That makes the idea they're the only ship in range make a lot less sense. I thought that this was also the case in Wrath of Khan but the Enterprise is actually docked in this random repair bay in space and we don't see a planet, so I don't think that movie has this flaw.
Yeah, I remember the movie being disappointing but at the same time it was still exciting to see a cinematic version of the next generation. These characters that I’ve been watching for the past seven years l, I believe before that. I was a junior in high school when it came out. And then First Contact definitely made up for it.
I enjoy the interactions. Especially when Soren quotes Delmore Schwartz to Picard. But I hate the time travel plot. It makes no sense. Picard could have easily traveled back to a time where he could of easily stopped Soren without the help of Kirk.
Excellent video. As a fan of TOS I was not happy with Kirk's death at all, and I was hoping when Picard went through the bridge rubble that Kirk would have been gone, as if he went back into the Nexus. The other confusing part about the Nexus was exiting back to real-time. So, if Kirk wanted to could he have just gone back to the events on Enterprise B and gotten off Deck 15 before getting blasted? Since he and Picard could jump back to the planet before it was destroyed I can't see why Kirk couldn't have done that. Of course that raises the issue of changing the future, or in this instance "the present". ~ Caretaker
Kirk dying on the Enterprise is still one of those saddest moments I’ve ever felt. Next to the Enterprise being sacrificed in ST3. Kirk dying to save the crew was fitting.
The Kirk that came out of the Nexus and was killed...was a copy. The original Kirk is still in the Nexus. At least that's what I've told myself over the years since the film came out.
I always assumed the nexus reminding Picard with the stars was part of Picard reminding himself. As for Guinan being there, there’s a reference to this when they rescue them from the nexus. I agree about the Kirk issue and taking your time with the nexus.
I've always liked the theory that Picard never left the Nexus, it just gave him what he wanted. He got to stop Soran, then went on to defeat the Borg, find love on a planet where he could eventually retire without aging and finally help bring about peace between the Federation and the Romulans. What better fantasy could Picard have picked for himself.
I pretty much agree with your assessment, and I too really enjoyed the score, particularly the music when Picard enters the nexus. That was really some beautiful material for those scenes.
Instead of returning to the past before Soren begins his plan that could potentially kill billions, Picard decides to go back to the riskier moment to put an end to Soren's plan. Brilliant writing there! Not my favourite Star Trek film, but it has some good moments and fantastic FX. Thanks.
You've obviously never seen TNG or DS9. There's a reason why Picard went back to the point that he did. Starfleet is hellbent on preserving what they perceive to be the original timeline, viewing changes to it as incorrect and needing to be removed. By arriving just before the launch, Picard is ensuring that the change he brought with him would be minimized.
The issue with the Nexus goes even further than you mentioned. All thanks to Guinan's line of "you can go anywhere, anytime". Which means Picard could have went back far enough to stop his family getting killed, and throwing Sorn in the brig right after rescuing him. Also nothing to stop Sorn himself once in the nexus, to come back out to his homeworld to save his family, then go back in.
Basically I agree it was essentially a "big-budget" TNG ep and an especially mediocre one at that. The pace was uneven because, as stated, there was little to drive the plot. However, I felt the whole Data subplot was annoying to cringing with only one really funny moment and that was when Beverly was shoved overboard. I did get one unintentional laugh out of the film and that was the crash-landing bit. I still chuckle when Riker yells "hang-on" and the saucer section plows into the topsoil. The reason being is that that saucer-section must have been coming in at what...mach 40? By the time that saucer section stops sliding and thudding, Riker and crew are just red smears on the nearest bulkhead. I know we're supposed to suspend belief but that scene does it for me every time. Also, the bit with the Nexus is a weak plot device. At the climax of the film, Picard and Kirk just "wish" themselves back to Veridian 3 but if that's the case, isn't this another Nexus "illusion"? The whole "Kirk killed" scene is a let-down and frankly, Kirk was too iconic a character to die that way. It would have been better if Kirk disappeared back into the Nexus toward an uncertain fate. Like Conan the Barbarian in literary form, we never see the character die but just pass into legend. That should have the same way for Jim Kirk.
I don’t give a flying fug, I love this movie. Greatest time in Trek History. Yes it has it problems but what a time to be alive as a 10 year old for Star Trek fans.
5:25 If there's one thing that sticks its memories of being in the cinema and seeing the Enterprise saucer section crashing. Amazing experience and agreed, its a superb piece of visual effects artistry.
Plot holes aside, I found the way Picard's family were depicted in the nexus to be bizarre - like some kind of Dickensian wish fulfillment. It always pulls me out of the movie.
That's odd to me because I can totally see that being Picard's secret, ultimate and stable wish fulfillment. It seems to be very much in line with his character just that Starfleet won out because that is what a man sometimes sacrifices, a career for family.
I had no idea that Ronald Moore was involved in the writing for this. That's honestly kind of crazy to me considering he would go on to write among other things DS9 and the (imo) masterpiece that was the BSG reboot.
So if you could leave the Nexus at Any Time and Place you want, Why didnt Kirk and Picard go back a little farther in time to before they picked up Soran in first place, Instead of the last possible second where the Planet is about to explode.
I think the plot needs a bit of work when your character decides to blow up star systems instead of fly a shuttle into the nexus. That being said, it's kinda decent compared to modern Trek. I'm just imagining Q could have been a cool way to bring them together, maybe Soren and Q could be having a kind of gods-level chess game.
@@edelcorrallira and it could have been a great way to put every Enterprise on screen at once without feeling TOO fanservicey if Q chose to play the Starfleet Deck or something. The enemies could have been various Klingon, Romulan, or even Gorn factions, or even a Doomsday machine . . . the possibilities were literally endless
I'm surprised how many positive comments I'm seeing here. I thought Generations was easily the worst Star Trek movie ever... Until JJ Abrams came in and ruined everything. I can appreciate some of the cool elements it had, but its central plot was such blah nothingness, I really disliked the whole thing.
I *always* HATED the "emotion chip" part with Data in Generations. Felt sooo tagged on and we already HAD Data go through emotions during TNG... Bäh 😒 But the 1st 10 Minutes are indeed incredidible, much like the 1st 10 minutes of Star Trek 2009 before the whole Thing falls apart
I wonder if George Takai's refusal to do this movie affected Paramount's decision to not give him his own series after it was teased in an episode of Voyager?
I read that Rick Berman didn’t like using TOS characters in TNG because they were Gene Roddenberry’s characters and he wanted to make a name for himself on his own merit. I know at one point during development of “Generations” William Shatner had creative differences with Berman and he refused to cooperate but Berman threatened to have Kirk’s character killed off screen, so that forced the narcissistic Shatner to fall in line.
One thing that always bugs me is that throwaway line that explains why Soran couldn't just fly a ship into the Nexus. They said that every ship gets destroyed. So what if the ship gets destroyed? We saw in earlier clips that the people still make it into the Nexus after the ship, or part of the ship they're in, gets destroyed. Just take a shuttle and fly in. If the shuttle gets destroyed, who cares? The shuttle would be a lot easier to get than that complicated plot he's doing.
I'd taken that to mean a ship destroyed that way might kill its crew before the Nexus could ingest them. We know some from the Enterprise-B wound up in the Nexus, but the Enterprise-B wasn't trying to fly into it. The damage presumably exposed Kirk momentarily to space, both saving him bodily trauma allowing the Nexus to glance him, which is what Soran was attempting to orchestrate. (Lemmy's idea might work too.)
I grew up with Trek; old enough to have watched the originals as broadcast with deep impacts for life. I recall being in a packed theater for the opening of ST The Motion Picture and unable to hear the five minutes after Kirk's debut look through the shuttle window due to thunderous applause. Was braced for K's epic death scene and instead was absurd enough to spark a laugh as the catwalk spun like an out-of-control amusement ride. Great moments in that film but total ball drop on that as well as making the meeting of of those two greats akin to dropping in for coffee at a neighbor's house.
As bad as a film that everyone claims it to be, Star Trek Generations has still maintained a special place in my heart for some reason. (Insert shrug emoji here)
I love the movie for what it is. Could we have done something better or different? Maybe. However I get what they were going for, they nailed it. The only truly irredeemable TNG movie, is the last one.
You are way too kind, Dave. I did a review for a fan-mag in Australia at the time. I crucified it. A film made by people who should all have known better & done better. Lost all respect for Moore as a writer, who was bulletproof (imo) prior to this. The ignominy of Kirk's death was unforgivable AND broke Moore's own canon (from Relics). How many plot holes in this film? Count the explosions and divide by 1. Both Guinan & Data had their characters destroyed, along with the Ent D. This film broke my heart.
I absolutely loved this movie. Went to see it at the cinema and for me it is the top tier TNG film. The Picard initial nexus scene really resonated with me. Rewatched the entire OS films in order and Shatners acting ability is seriously underrated.
Hey Dave! I was wondering if you could review some of Irwin Allen's catalogue of shows and movies. Especially LAND OF THE GIANTS and Time Tunnel. I also do feel the Star Trek Generations is indeed a good film for the franchise. Far better then some of the other odd numbered films. Its a sliding scale of quality.
I still remember an episode of the Time Tunnel which set me into tears. When one of them went back and was with their parent during death - I immediately ran to my Moms room. I never thought of her dying before . . . . I was around 8.
Yeah. Irwin's stuff may not be as iconic as some other series like Star Trek. But they were unique in their own way. Like Hammer was to horror, and anime is to animation. Irwin did pioneer a lot of effects for tv and film for the time. But he did leave a legacy of unique storytelling that is still discussed in some circles today. @@terrylandess6072
About Cpt Kirk's death ... in a previous movie(with Spock and Bones around a campfire) Kirk mentioned he knew he would survive the fall because he wasn't alone and then he elaborated by saying he always knew he will die alone. I think that's why in Generations he died without any of his friends or crew members around him and the only person remaining with him was JLP and by the death of Kirk, Picard take legacy on his shoulders. As for the Nexus itself it only shows what is perceived to be happiness and joy by the person inside it. Since Kirk had a lot of regrets about his past (mostly during the period of his retirement) the Nexus gave him the illusion he wanted. As for Picard his regrets are on the family side - he regrets not having any son or any descendant to continue the Picard lineage. That's why the Nexus showed him a big family gathered for x-mas. The 'random' changes of places aren't random at all because the Nexus reacts with the thoughts and desires of a person and we know those can change rapidly and sometimes instantly and what is showed on screen demonstrate that. I must admit however that i've seen this movie so many times and that's the conclusions i came to about the Nexus and how it seems to work and it doesn't mean that there is no other explanation - your guess is as good as mine.
There is a novel out there called 'Engines of Destiny' which is like Generations but better and one can say the story is similar to Flashpoint Paradox. The only ting they kept from the movie was Kir's event with the Ribbon and everything else is an original story. If you can find it, I recommend reading it.
a few things that came to me about the story was when they leave the nexus why not go back to amigosa & stop that with the only picard having to say is security take soren to the brig & then there's also the battle with the B.o.P as why the enterprise do the same amount of attacking as they did with the borg when the shields were not working instead of the ion pulse they went with?
Picard's brother and nephew dying always annoyed me. If they wanted to make Picard realize that his opportunity to have a family had passed. I think of other ways to do it that are way more interesting. *One slightly edgy idea is have his nephew who would be about 16 for the film show up with a son.* Maybe a bit edgy for Star Trek but would have done the job better.
I dunno... For Myself, after seeing this movie when it was new. I walked away firmly believing the "odd numbered" ST movie curse. I referred to "the Nexus" as the Special Effect to move the plot along. I thought I knew what Picard's personality and motivations were after seeing him on the small screen for so long. Having his heart most desire to be with a family and kids...just seemed a little forced. Captain Kirk reduced to a fistfight in the desert and killed in an unheroic feeling way. I'm glad you can see the merit of this movie. I just felt it reduced to effect STTNG had been.
A good review of Generations, Cullen. - Kirk's death has always seemed controversial, but it can also be easily argued that he died twice. Once giving his life trying to save the Enterprise-B/civilian lives (a respectable death, honestly) and once again at Veridian 3. - I think it's more of lost opportunities for the film rather than it being substandard for some. I still think Generations was good and paved the way for the much better First Contact. - I hope they somehow look at The Lost Generation for a future series, showing the Enterprise B or C with their crew.
Some minor tweaks that would've improved this film: 1. A scene at Starfleet Academy in present day (TNG time), with a new minor character who is joining the engineering team and that Geordi is there to escort to the Enterprise. This character is at a speech being given by Scotty who is explaining the general story of the episode "Relics" to explain why he is alive in the TNG era, this is for the fans benefit and the general audience who may not have seen the episode. Scotty and Geordi meet up and have brief reunion. 2. Several scenes of a family on the planet who are at a pre-warp 18th century level of technolgy. This is because we are only told there are millions of people on this planet and we are never shown them to really make us as the audience empathetic. Focus on the child in the familiy being curious about space and if they are alone (tug on the old heart strings). This cast will be added in at key moments, such as the planets destruction, and the later correction of seeing the Nexus ribbon flying past the planet. Adding these characters would've also made it clear to the audience the reasons why Picard and Kirk later did what they did, as the way the film is, makes it seem like it's just to stop one man. 3. Altered the death scene of Kirk to have Soran be more directly involved in killing him, as opposed to the current edit which makes it look a little more "accidental". 4. Change/add to the end scene. Instead of the film ending with the ships warping away, have them confirm that they've recovered the body of Kirk and are returning to Starfleet to give him a proper burial. The final scene would be at Starfleet HQ where there is a large service, and they are have burial scene where Scotty (who was introduced again at the begining) plays Amazing Grace on the bag pipes a la Wrath of Khan, ensuring that the audience would've left the theatres with tears dripping down their cheeks. BONUS 5th. Blown the budget by begging Leonard Nimoy to return at the end and have Spock (who has smuggled himself away from Romulus) have a chat with Picard which effectivly passes the torch.
for picard i just figured it was because he had two wants, the family and his crew family. so it was just showing him first what was at the forefront and the lights were his want to protect. it's weird but that's how i thought about it anyway.
Dave starship has just launched and it was a success. All we need now is phases and Photon torpedos 🤞 Anyway I always thought the Nexus was feeding on people's emotions, including their responsibilities 🤨
Star Trek Generations is since almost forever my first movie when it happens that I get a new TV, blueray player or anything else. It's like my test run routine :)
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I always found it odd that Kirk's nexus fantasy wasn't commanding the Enterprise since that's clearly what he wanted most in the world. Instead he is chopping wood.
I think it was more to display his regret, rather than his actually "wants". Just my opinion though.
It definitely seems against character. It might have been the limitations in bringing in the old cast as I don't think Kirk would have considered it "his bridge" without "his crew".
@@silverjohn6037 That actually makes sense. I never thought about it that way.
Bingo
This movie is made for retreads
Kirk regretted not having a wife and lots of children. Commanding a Starship comes to an end with retirement meanwhile a wife and children can last a lifetime and to continue on your family tree and genes.
Fun fact - the house Picard finds Kirk in - and the horse barn and fields where they ride the horses all belonged to William Shatner at the time.
Johnathon Frakes was wearing Avery Brook's uniform (Capt Sisko DS9)
Killing Kirk onscreen was the first mistake. Having him do so in a situation less perilous than other things he'd already been through was another. Having Picard bury him on a remote planet was another. The final insult was not showing Picard tell anyone about meeting him.
Yep this movie stank to H🔥ll
At least Kirk didn't punch out as synthetic simp like his Gallic chrome dome successor.
the alternate ending where he survives is the real one for me
His first "death" was decent enough. He dies a hero. Which makes his second death even weaker and crappier by comparison.
@@miller-joel wow, gr8 point there, yes
The woman we see waiting for Kirk on horseback should have been Edith Keeler (Joan Collins) from the episode "The City on the Edge of Forever". She was one of the few women Kirk truly loved, and getting a chance to spend an eternity with her would be far more difficult for him to leave. I can picture her telling Kirk he must go. "Be the Captain, the hero, I know you are and meant to be." There wouldn't be a dry eye in the house.
That wud have helped improve this inferior trash crap "movie"
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I think it would have been more touching if it had been Carol.
Why not Reyna?
@@SumDumGy Damn you win, Dr Marcus it is, yes
I remember seeing this in theaters as a kid. I was blown away because I was such a big fan of TNG. I've always had a soft spot for Generations.
Generations has a very special place for me. After the TNG finale the actors literally got on with this movie. It has flaws, but I'm still a big fan of this film.
Under the rules of the Nexus, you can say Soran both won and lost. He made it to the Nexus so despite Picard stopping him on the replay, some version of him did get a happy ending.
The worst part was Picard’s snap judgment of I know exactly where and when I want to go. He could have gone back to the Enterprise a few days earlier and arrested Soran before he destroyed the Amigosa Star and Kirk could have magically appeared in the captain’s chair on the bridge on the Enterprise B.
Essentially, the entire movie wouldn’t have happened.
This gets my vote.
Yup... said this myself 29 years ago in a review I wrote. So did a lot of others at the time. If Picard had gone back a week, he could have saved Robert & Rene from the fire, then dealt with the Duras Sisters & Soran pre-emptively. No movie. But I do like your ending... that way Moore's own canon (from Relics) would have remained intact.
This is thee problem of the film makers wanting the movie to both have stakes and a reset button, someone is going to come out looking like an idiot
I thought Picard realized that what was in the Nexus wasn't real? This movie is so confusing. I like it but the Nexus idea doesn't make sense
@@more-reasons6655 All they had to do was somehow write it so that you couldn’t come out at any time. By saying anytime they made Picard’s decision seem not particularly we’ll contemplated.
Say what you will about Generations, for all its flaws (and it has many), it was one of the most beautifully filmed of all the Trek films. To this day, it is GORGEOUS to watch, so vibrant. A master class in lighting and set design.
Real fans are there for the story and the characters, not the eye candy. And the story here was horrible, and the characters were out of character.
@@miller-joel I apologize for not meeting your "real fan" criteria.
@@miller-joel I apologize for not meeting your "real fan" criteria.
@@brettcooper3893 Apology not accepted.
@@miller-joel u black?
Star Trek sure had a great run between 1979 and 1998 when it came to movies. While not the best of these, I still find Generations always fun to watch every now and then. I consider it the 2nd best after First Contact of the TNG movies.
This...👆
All the TNG movies are awful and stupid
It was okay at the time. Nowadays the movies end with ST6 for me. And not just because of Patrick Stewarts woke antics with Pukehard ruining TNG for me. I find that the TNG hold up very poorly with time. I never bothered to watch Nemesis, it sounded beyond stupid at the time, IX was meh and I had no desire to ever see it again even before Pukehard. First Contact was a dumb action flick and the introduction of the Borg Queen did immense damage to the concept of the Borg. And Generations k1lled off Kirk in the dumbest way possible. And for all the TNG movies Stewart's desire to be Kung Fu action grip Picard showed that he had no understanding whatsoever of his own character. In contrast the TOS movies have aged very well. Even ST1 and 5. Although 4 might look a little dated taking place in the 80's.
@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623thank you!, finally someone with taste, shocked to see how many lap this awfulness up
@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 I watched tng and ds9 when they originally aired, and loved both. Having said that, I was never a fan of the tng movies, even first contact. They always felt like they leaned to heavily into action movies and they always failed at being more than adequate at that.
For me the best trek movies will always be the original movies and the best of those imo will all always be the Undiscovered Country.
I think the sense of urgency within the Nexus could be resolved pretty easily. As you say, Kirk and Picard could spend a thousand years there experiencing everything they wanted before tackling the issue with Soran. So, all they needed to do was add a line explaining that, the longer you spend in the Nexus, the harder it is to recognize that you’re in it? Guinan does actually warn Picard before that if he goes into the Nexus, he won’t care about anything outside of it, he’ll just want to stay there. This line is what I think was supposed to give urgency for Picard to leave, but on its own it’s pretty weak.
Or, they could have had the Nexus have an impact on memory over time. The longer you’re there, the more you forget about things that cause you pain and anxiety, so that Picard knows that if he doesn’t leave quick enough, he’ll forget what it is he needs to do.
Also, I think the reason Picard saw explosions in the ornaments wasn’t due to the Nexus, but his own willpower and determination to due his duty regardless of the sacrifices he would have to endure himself in order to fulfill it.
It would be a small call back to star trek 5's "i need my pain" scene, surprisingly
I think the decision they made to leave the nexus besides having All the pros and none of the cons makes it even more impactful. It shows that Kirk and Picard are highly morally people.
I always assumed this was exactly why they were in a hurry to leave
Very good insight. I felt that way too: the longer you stay/ the harder it is to leave either psychologically, loss of memory, etc.
My problem is that Picard recognizes he's in The Nexus far too easily. There should've been some actual conflict with him trying to figure it out. Maybe some kind of psychological drama.
I love Generations, if only for its GORGEOUS soundtrack. It’s a mystery to me why they replaced him with Goldsmith afterwards. Even if the death of Kirk itself is underwhelming, the moment is carried by one of the most incredible pieces of underscore which superimposes the OG and next generation themes on one another. Fracking genius…😊 Thanks for doing this video and recognising McCarthy in it!
What always bothered me was, if they could travel to any time, why did they travel to right before the middle launches when they could have jumped to a few days prior when Soran was still on the D and stopped him before destroying the first star.
bewcause the D qwoild not be dead. rember the stuipid had made demands
You've obviously never watched TNG or DS9. The answer is that Starfleet is hellbent on preserving what they perceive to be the original timeline, viewing changes to it as incorrect and needing to be removed. By arriving just before the launch, Picard is ensuring that the change he brought with him would be minimized.
@@r0bw00d but gambling on failing.
@@RevkorIf that's a complete thought, then it's gone right over my head.
@@r0bw00d Why didn't Soran take another ship to the Nexus, instead of blowing up a star?
I agree with you on all fronts here. Dennis McCarthy’s score is phenomenal, I actually got to see him conduct the Overture for Generations with a live orchestra in Los Angeles, it was phenomenal, it brought the house down. Had a good chat to him too. I think the film is generally pretty underrated and under appreciated, there’s a lot of like, I think it’s the most cinematic of all the Next Gen movies.
One other point: Picard ignored Kirk's advice. Kirk told him to never leave the bridge of a Starship. "Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do *anything* that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there... you can make a difference."
Then in the Picard series he was promoted and transferred.
I think that was Kirk’s best line in the entire film. It’s definitely the one I remember the best. It really spoke of a man who lived and breathed the life on the Bridge.
Well I think at that time he had no choice either accept promotion or retirement and besides Picard isn’t Kirk while he wanted to fly as long as possible he also was a realist and knew he could be useful as a admiral while Kirk as stocked said was destined to be a captain.
KIRK DESERVED BETTER! He is an iconic and heroic character.
I have strong memories of this film. My best friend and I saw it opening weekend. He had never watched TNG before. He went back and saw 7 more times, and collected 6 cups. I only went on one of those trips.
When the enterprise d was destroyed the entire theatre was silent. And then my friend dropped his cup in shock and the audience broke out in laughter. One of the most perfect moments in theatre for me.
In Star Trek V Kirk said that he knew that he would "die alone". Apparently the writers didn't see that movie.
he was alone though.... as his friends weren't there
I actually enjoyed it well enough to watch it several times over the years. It had many flaws and was more of another episode than movie. It has a lot of fine, memorable moments. And a great soundtrack!
This...👆
I watched it several times times when I was a kid. Not because it was good. Just because it was the only TNG movie I owned as a kid…
It's irredeemable garbage
@@daveandemileeThat's clear child abuse, im very sorry 🙏
it's a much more solid movie than most of anything that has been out for the past several years...
8:22 I always assumed that this was the Nexus’ way of trying to entice people to stay. Here’s Picard in Kirk’s Nexus reality(?) trying to get him to leave while the Nexus fights back in a way, showing new experiences. “Hey remember this time? Remember these people? You loved this!”, albeit done poorly. I felt that the Nexus was a sentient creature rather than some magical energy ribbon.
I think that was part of the problem - having magic in a science based show.
Interestingly, there is the mission in STO that kind of went with a theme similar to that.
The Nexus was a prison for a powerful entity called Khaj'Buur...who escapes during "Beyond the Nexus" where you team up with LaForge and includes getting onboard a Galaxy class ship again there. It's an interesting mission there considering he can possess people and manages to take over two ships at one point
I've loved Generations ever since going to see it when it first came out! While I share your thoughts about some of the plot devices not really working, I on the other hand had no problem with it and I was one of the people that cheered when the two captains got together! I think it's also held out very well dues to the many things that were great in the first place, with the soundtrack being one and the excellent cinematography! I loved that TNG finally got their big budget big screen movie! I have the box set, that I can now enjoy whenever I want, and never grow tired of it!
Originally DeForest Kelly was supposed to be in place of Chekov.
Start of movie: captain on the bridge
End of movie: bridge on the captain
I still theorize that Picard never left the Nexus Ribbon. All that took place from that point on was Picard's "heaven", a life filled with challenges to overcome and give meaning.
Do you think I will go to Heaven?
When I saw the film when it came out, that was my thinking too.
Every thing in the nexus can be argued as being part of Picards fantasy, nexus Guinan never met Picard, yet she knows him, her saying that he can time travel is basically a fantasy created by Picards mind, the time travel ending is only possible inside the nexus, or it would create a time travel paradox the writers ignored, or weren’t smart enough to fix.
Sheer fucking hubris.
That would be his true fantasy. Having a family is a desire sure, but ultimately he’s an explorer and adventurer. The family can be there for him to return to between adventures, but he’ll always have an excuse to be whisked away.
The Burn limited to the nexus... I like that.
Ashes Of Eden by William Shatner.This companion novel needs to be read to understand what happens in the Movie,it makes sense when you read this.
I wrote up an alternate ending for Generations a long time ago. Kirk goes back to the Enterprise-B and has Soran rig up the deflector dish, so *he* gets sucked into the Nexus. Meanwhile, Picard warns Robert about the faulty heating unit, saing them. They also rethink the whole promotion thing on the holodeck, thus heading off Data's experience with the emotion chip. Would've been a lot cheaper to reshoot.
Agree. An additional point; Kirk told us in ST V that he had always known he would die alone. He didn't really know Picard, but he knew enough that Picard was the captain of a future Enterprise and they had a kindred spirit there. Kirk wasn't alone when he died.
That's just what he thought. He wasn't prophetic though. I always just chalked it up to a Doc Holliday like situation. He always thought he would die with his boots on in a gunfight, and then passed away quietly in a bed in bare feet.
@@mattrinck7503 I'd always seen it as he believed that, with his luck, he'd outlive what friends/family he had left. Dying alone in a world that no longer recognizes him
Anybody interested in the struggles associated with writing a 'Star Trek' screenplay that satisfies all Studio demands, while also addressing personal concerns of all the lead actors needs to read 'FADE IN', a book by Michael Piller that details the production difficulties with 'Insurrection'. For instance, they were concerned about even using the entire 'fountain of youth' concept, for fear that Patrick Stewart would feel it suggested that he/Picard seemed 'OLD'...
Really good to call out how great the music to this film is. Its epic
I really like Generations. The Enterprise B was gorgeous, Soran a really compelling villain with an actual understandable goal and Macdowell playing him perfectly. Really there is only some minor details that annoyed me, like the reused explosion of the Klingon ship and the misfitting uniforms.
Yeah, it's like every bird of prey explodes the EXACT same way, lol. I also really like Generations. I like it as much as First Contact, if I'm honest.
Every time I see the opening to this film, I just get a flashback to Redlettermedias mr plinkett review where he says "only the ones who were lame enough to show up showed up"
The premise behind Trilithium always bothered me because it contradicted the plot of Captain's Holiday. Also you've either misunderstood or misremembered how Guinan is talking to Picard. It's stated elsewhere that the Nexus intersects all places at all times which is why Picard is able to travel back in time and Kirk forward. The Guinan we're seeing is Guinan while trapped in the Nexus, prior to the Ent B rescuing her.
I often felt the Guinan character was open ended purposely. She just seemed to be connected to other IP aspects too conveniently when convenient. The mystery surrounding her became stretched.
I'll buy that the Nexus intersects Certain places at Certain times, but all? Why would it be seen physically traveling through space, then? And at slower-than-light speeds?
I'd say you can go to any place that the Nexus intersects at any time, but not anywhere.
This is why Picard couldn't go to Ten Forward and arrest Soran immediately, like many claim; it never intersected the Enterprise...
I’m not a critic so my eye is always more forgiving to films and I really enjoyed this one. You point out some interesting points of criticism but they didn’t affect me so it remains one of my favourite Star Trek movies out of them all.
the visuals, the opening sequence, the crash of the saucer section, and Data's scenery chewing are worth the price of admission alone...yeah- it has some problems, but way better than most of anything that has come out with Trek since 2009...and, there was nothing like seeing some of these scenes on a "huge" screen...
THANK YOU for mentioning the score and damn just how great the film looks color wise
This was one of my favorite movies when I was a kid. I know it was designed to be nostalgia bait just looking for a way to have Kirk in, but I remember it being fun.
This ..👆
Nope
Garbage
_First Contact_ may be the "Wrath of Khan" of the TNG movies, and their undisputed king, but in some ways I like _Generations_ better.
The stakes are high, but not really pressing for the Federation since the world being destroyed isn't a member or particularly advanced. Despite that, the Enterprise crew fight desperately to prevent that world's destruction, truly representing the best parts of human empathy and compassion.
Plus, pocket watches are cool, and always will be.
@Uzarran I'm ex Royal Navy and the 'battles' between the Enterprise and the Reliant are awesome
This soundtrack is one of my all-time favorites. The Nexus/Christmas Hug track gets me teary eyed every time.
I've always been a bit of a defender on Generations. Sure, Kirk's send off is not explosive or astounding, but I believe it's rather fitting for his character just how quiet and softly he goes. For a man who spent his entire career living on the proverbial edge of his captain's chair, it was a bit refreshing to see him pass away just like any other man. Sometimes, your number is simply up.
Loved stellar cartography in that movie.
Loved this when it came out. I was in High School at the time - A local Video Rental shop had a large Generations display. I asked to take it and they tolled me to come back in a few weeks before they binned it - went back and the person remembered and surprisingly gave it to me.
Had to walk the 4ft display on my school bus with it to get back home, had a lot of strange looks from people around me. 😂
Yeah, I saw that when I was a in high school as well. Good flick.
I still recall the parachute Kirk toy which indicated a deleted scene which we would not see for decades.
I think, originally, William Shatner was supposed to be the old captain turning young, Admiral Jamison from Season 1 of TNG.
I seem to remember reading at the time that the 2 horses Kirk & Picard ride were William Shatner's own horses. And rather lovely they are too. Anyway I saw the film & liked it. And I'd like to re-watch.
One thing I could not understand about the Enterprise D in the episode The Best of both worlds the Enterprise D could randomly shift its shield frequency so that the Borg could not lock on with a tractor beam why did they not shift shield frequencies when the bird of prey was firing at them....?
I remember seeing that movie in theaters. and for me and the rest of the audience that watched it with me thought that movie just ...stunk 🤧🤧up the joint
That was the most anticlimactic death of an iconic figure I've ever seen in movie Cinema 🙄🙄😞😞😞😞
If a dream has Woopie in it it’s a nightmare!
I read that after Kirk's apparent death on the Enterprise B, the film was supposed to show the enterprise D battling several romulan ships, but the studio felt that was too predictable and wanted it rewritten.
This reminds me of why studio 'heads' are not professional script writers. It's like a CEO telling someone how to do their job while being unable to do it themselves.
Insurrection and Nemesis were a waste of money.
Generations is still a good movie despite its plot holes.
Picard and Kirk in the Nexus together is still one of my favorite scenes in all of Star Trek.
Kirk: What's this planet? Varidian III? I take it the odds are against us and the situation is grim.
Picard: You might say that.
Kirk: Who am I to argue with the Captain of the Enterprise?
If Spock were here he'd say I'm an emotional and illogical man for taking on a mission like that.
"Sounds like fun."
(Paraphrased of course.)
Pretty awesome to see Alex from “A Clockwork Orange”, as a villain in Star Trek. A specially when he interrogates Geordi La Forge.
He also made an appearance with 'Luke Skywalker' in one of the Wing Commander games.
Star Trek: Generations is one of my favorite guilty pleasures, especially around the holidays and Christmas 🎄 time.
You can hate on it all you want but I absolutely love ❤️ the musical score 🎼 and really feel for Picard and his wish to have a real family and child like Renee who I felt a real connection with in “Family” Ep 2 season 4 of TNG.
His desire for a life away from Star Fleet and Kirk’s advice on being a captain of a Star ship are timeless and unforgettable moments for me in this film.
Picard’s speech at the end about “Time is a companion that goes with you on the Journey” is heartwarming and assuring message that stays with you well after the film has concluded. I have watched this film well over 50 times and will gladly watch is another 50 and continue to enjoy it. I love this film plain and simple.
I saw Generations in the Theater 5 times. The first two were fanboy, the next 3 were literally trying to figure out if I liked it or not. I decided not. Because I recognized that it was literally just a long episode with slightly better CGI and graphics. That and I instantly recognized the re-use of the bird of prey destruction scene from Undiscovered Country.
One of the first shots of the Enterprise-D looked like an upscaled shot from the TV series. I remember being crushed in that moment. Paramount pinching pennies yet again.
I can't remember exactly, but was the Enterprise-B orbiting Earth during its christening before its first takeoff? That makes the idea they're the only ship in range make a lot less sense. I thought that this was also the case in Wrath of Khan but the Enterprise is actually docked in this random repair bay in space and we don't see a planet, so I don't think that movie has this flaw.
Yeah, I remember the movie being disappointing but at the same time it was still exciting to see a cinematic version of the next generation. These characters that I’ve been watching for the past seven years l, I believe before that. I was a junior in high school when it came out. And then First Contact definitely made up for it.
Shatner's book, the Return, was written as a sequal to Generations. It hit all the beats that Generations was missing.
I enjoy the interactions. Especially when Soren quotes Delmore Schwartz to Picard. But I hate the time travel plot. It makes no sense. Picard could have easily traveled back to a time where he could of easily stopped Soren without the help of Kirk.
Great upload! Is there a long version of the closing audio starting at 11:03?
Excellent video. As a fan of TOS I was not happy with Kirk's death at all, and I was hoping when Picard went through the bridge rubble that Kirk would have been gone, as if he went back into the Nexus. The other confusing part about the Nexus was exiting back to real-time. So, if Kirk wanted to could he have just gone back to the events on Enterprise B and gotten off Deck 15 before getting blasted? Since he and Picard could jump back to the planet before it was destroyed I can't see why Kirk couldn't have done that. Of course that raises the issue of changing the future, or in this instance "the present".
~ Caretaker
Kirk dying on the Enterprise is still one of those saddest moments I’ve ever felt.
Next to the Enterprise being sacrificed in ST3.
Kirk dying to save the crew was fitting.
The Kirk that came out of the Nexus and was killed...was a copy. The original Kirk is still in the Nexus.
At least that's what I've told myself over the years since the film came out.
I always assumed the nexus reminding Picard with the stars was part of Picard reminding himself. As for Guinan being there, there’s a reference to this when they rescue them from the nexus. I agree about the Kirk issue and taking your time with the nexus.
I've always liked the theory that Picard never left the Nexus, it just gave him what he wanted. He got to stop Soran, then went on to defeat the Borg, find love on a planet where he could eventually retire without aging and finally help bring about peace between the Federation and the Romulans. What better fantasy could Picard have picked for himself.
And now he has a son with Beverly and the Enterprise-D back.
I pretty much agree with your assessment, and I too really enjoyed the score, particularly the music when Picard enters the nexus. That was really some beautiful material for those scenes.
The woman in Kirk's nexus should have been Edith Keeler.
Amazing idea, honestly
I've been waiting for a generations video forever. Thanks
Instead of returning to the past before Soren begins his plan that could potentially kill billions, Picard decides to go back to the riskier moment to put an end to Soren's plan. Brilliant writing there! Not my favourite Star Trek film, but it has some good moments and fantastic FX. Thanks.
You've obviously never seen TNG or DS9. There's a reason why Picard went back to the point that he did. Starfleet is hellbent on preserving what they perceive to be the original timeline, viewing changes to it as incorrect and needing to be removed. By arriving just before the launch, Picard is ensuring that the change he brought with him would be minimized.
@@r0bw00d Yes, I know that. But it beas no dramatic tension anyway.
The issue with the Nexus goes even further than you mentioned. All thanks to Guinan's line of "you can go anywhere, anytime". Which means Picard could have went back far enough to stop his family getting killed, and throwing Sorn in the brig right after rescuing him. Also nothing to stop Sorn himself once in the nexus, to come back out to his homeworld to save his family, then go back in.
Good points.
Basically I agree it was essentially a "big-budget" TNG ep and an especially mediocre one at that. The pace was uneven because, as stated, there was little to drive the plot. However, I felt the whole Data subplot was annoying to cringing with only one really funny moment and that was when Beverly was shoved overboard. I did get one unintentional laugh out of the film and that was the crash-landing bit. I still chuckle when Riker yells "hang-on" and the saucer section plows into the topsoil. The reason being is that that saucer-section must have been coming in at what...mach 40? By the time that saucer section stops sliding and thudding, Riker and crew are just red smears on the nearest bulkhead. I know we're supposed to suspend belief but that scene does it for me every time. Also, the bit with the Nexus is a weak plot device. At the climax of the film, Picard and Kirk just "wish" themselves back to Veridian 3 but if that's the case, isn't this another Nexus "illusion"? The whole "Kirk killed" scene is a let-down and frankly, Kirk was too iconic a character to die that way. It would have been better if Kirk disappeared back into the Nexus toward an uncertain fate. Like Conan the Barbarian in literary form, we never see the character die but just pass into legend. That should have the same way for Jim Kirk.
I don’t give a flying fug, I love this movie. Greatest time in Trek History. Yes it has it problems but what a time to be alive as a 10 year old for Star Trek fans.
As disappointing as it is to see my hero fall, at least Captain Kirk went out fighting
5:25 If there's one thing that sticks its memories of being in the cinema and seeing the Enterprise saucer section crashing. Amazing experience and agreed, its a superb piece of visual effects artistry.
Plot holes aside, I found the way Picard's family were depicted in the nexus to be bizarre - like some kind of Dickensian wish fulfillment. It always pulls me out of the movie.
That's odd to me because I can totally see that being Picard's secret, ultimate and stable wish fulfillment. It seems to be very much in line with his character just that Starfleet won out because that is what a man sometimes sacrifices, a career for family.
Because was grieving because of the loss of his family. That could have played a big factor in the illusion.
@@norman7566Agreed, he said at the start when he was on the holodeck that that time period was real living.
Sir Patrick Stewart did play Ebenezer Scrooge in the Charles Dickens movie "a Christmas Carol"
I had no idea that Ronald Moore was involved in the writing for this.
That's honestly kind of crazy to me considering he would go on to write among other things DS9 and the (imo) masterpiece that was the BSG reboot.
So if you could leave the Nexus at Any Time and Place you want, Why didnt Kirk and Picard go back a little farther in time to before they picked up Soran in first place, Instead of the last possible second where the Planet is about to explode.
+1 on the cinematography and score for sure.
I think the plot needs a bit of work when your character decides to blow up star systems instead of fly a shuttle into the nexus.
That being said, it's kinda decent compared to modern Trek.
I'm just imagining Q could have been a cool way to bring them together, maybe Soren and Q could be having a kind of gods-level chess game.
Q could have been the plot device... To him time has no meaning
@@edelcorrallira and it could have been a great way to put every Enterprise on screen at once without feeling TOO fanservicey if Q chose to play the Starfleet Deck or something. The enemies could have been various Klingon, Romulan, or even Gorn factions, or even a Doomsday machine . . . the possibilities were literally endless
@@coulsonintahiti maybe even the makers of the doomsday machine otself
@@edelcorrallira that would be interesting. They'd probably attribute it to the Iconians like everything else :)
I have heard (but cannot confirm) that when a captain loses his ship for any reason he doesn’t usually get another. Can anyone clarify?
Because a captain is supposed to go down with his ship?
He gets to swim with the fishes.
I think that's only if it is his fault that he loses it.
I love this movie. Propelled by great acting and theme's of family, time, and loss. Also the effects still beat anything out today
totally agree. Lots of great sub-themes at play in this one.
I'm surprised how many positive comments I'm seeing here. I thought Generations was easily the worst Star Trek movie ever... Until JJ Abrams came in and ruined everything. I can appreciate some of the cool elements it had, but its central plot was such blah nothingness, I really disliked the whole thing.
@@ressljsAgreed, shocking to see so many simps sucking this swill down. This channel is apparently viewed mainly by sadsacks
This makes me very very very sad for you😢
That scene where kirk silently shakes his head "nope, that won't work" was brilliant.
I *always* HATED the "emotion chip" part with Data in Generations. Felt sooo tagged on and we already HAD Data go through emotions during TNG... Bäh 😒
But the 1st 10 Minutes are indeed incredidible, much like the 1st 10 minutes of Star Trek 2009 before the whole Thing falls apart
Yes, tho Everything here is tagged on, a ramshackle caravan of disenchantment
The "i hate this. More, please" was good tho
It was "tagged on." Data could develop some emotions without the chip. That would be a better way to go. That was just a plot device.
I wonder if George Takai's refusal to do this movie affected Paramount's decision to not give him his own series after it was teased in an episode of Voyager?
I read that Rick Berman didn’t like using TOS characters in TNG because they were Gene Roddenberry’s characters and he wanted to make a name for himself on his own merit. I know at one point during development of “Generations” William Shatner had creative differences with Berman and he refused to cooperate but Berman threatened to have Kirk’s character killed off screen, so that forced the narcissistic Shatner to fall in line.
One thing that always bugs me is that throwaway line that explains why Soran couldn't just fly a ship into the Nexus. They said that every ship gets destroyed. So what if the ship gets destroyed? We saw in earlier clips that the people still make it into the Nexus after the ship, or part of the ship they're in, gets destroyed. Just take a shuttle and fly in. If the shuttle gets destroyed, who cares? The shuttle would be a lot easier to get than that complicated plot he's doing.
Or why not just don a spacesuit and beam out into the path of the ribbon? Save sacrificing any ships or shuttles….
I'd taken that to mean a ship destroyed that way might kill its crew before the Nexus could ingest them.
We know some from the Enterprise-B wound up in the Nexus, but the Enterprise-B wasn't trying to fly into it. The damage presumably exposed Kirk momentarily to space, both saving him bodily trauma allowing the Nexus to glance him, which is what Soran was attempting to orchestrate. (Lemmy's idea might work too.)
I grew up with Trek; old enough to have watched the originals as broadcast with deep impacts for life. I recall being in a packed theater for the opening of ST The Motion Picture and unable to hear the five minutes after Kirk's debut look through the shuttle window due to thunderous applause. Was braced for K's epic death scene and instead was absurd enough to spark a laugh as the catwalk spun like an out-of-control amusement ride. Great moments in that film but total ball drop on that as well as making the meeting of of those two greats akin to dropping in for coffee at a neighbor's house.
Wrath of Khan is the greatest Star Trek movie ever made.
Change my mind.
Why would anyone want or care to change your mind?
Prove me fucking wrong
@nickoftime5759 happy with that Leader as we used to say in the Royal Navy
PERIOD!!!
@@jeyfomson6364 you must be a Murican chap
As bad as a film that everyone claims it to be, Star Trek Generations has still maintained a special place in my heart for some reason. (Insert shrug emoji here)
I love the movie for what it is.
Could we have done something better or different? Maybe. However I get what they were going for, they nailed it.
The only truly irredeemable TNG movie, is the last one.
This...👆
What a simp
Entertainment is so bad now because of worshippers of crap
You are way too kind, Dave. I did a review for a fan-mag in Australia at the time. I crucified it. A film made by people who should all have known better & done better. Lost all respect for Moore as a writer, who was bulletproof (imo) prior to this. The ignominy of Kirk's death was unforgivable AND broke Moore's own canon (from Relics). How many plot holes in this film? Count the explosions and divide by 1. Both Guinan & Data had their characters destroyed, along with the Ent D. This film broke my heart.
I absolutely loved this movie. Went to see it at the cinema and for me it is the top tier TNG film. The Picard initial nexus scene really resonated with me.
Rewatched the entire OS films in order and Shatners acting ability is seriously underrated.
Hey Dave! I was wondering if you could review some of Irwin Allen's catalogue of shows and movies. Especially LAND OF THE GIANTS and Time Tunnel. I also do feel the Star Trek Generations is indeed a good film for the franchise. Far better then some of the other odd numbered films. Its a sliding scale of quality.
I still remember an episode of the Time Tunnel which set me into tears. When one of them went back and was with their parent during death - I immediately ran to my Moms room. I never thought of her dying before . . . . I was around 8.
Yeah. Irwin's stuff may not be as iconic as some other series like Star Trek. But they were unique in their own way. Like Hammer was to horror, and anime is to animation. Irwin did pioneer a lot of effects for tv and film for the time. But he did leave a legacy of unique storytelling that is still discussed in some circles today. @@terrylandess6072
About Cpt Kirk's death ... in a previous movie(with Spock and Bones around a campfire) Kirk mentioned he knew he would survive the fall because he wasn't alone and then he elaborated by saying he always knew he will die alone. I think that's why in Generations he died without any of his friends or crew members around him and the only person remaining with him was JLP and by the death of Kirk, Picard take legacy on his shoulders.
As for the Nexus itself it only shows what is perceived to be happiness and joy by the person inside it. Since Kirk had a lot of regrets about his past (mostly during the period of his retirement) the Nexus gave him the illusion he wanted. As for Picard his regrets are on the family side - he regrets not having any son or any descendant to continue the Picard lineage. That's why the Nexus showed him a big family gathered for x-mas.
The 'random' changes of places aren't random at all because the Nexus reacts with the thoughts and desires of a person and we know those can change rapidly and sometimes instantly and what is showed on screen demonstrate that.
I must admit however that i've seen this movie so many times and that's the conclusions i came to about the Nexus and how it seems to work and it doesn't mean that there is no other explanation - your guess is as good as mine.
LOL u couldn't pay me to sit thru this turd again 🚽 once was too too much
Embarrassingly bad
The entire movie was all about Soran extending his ladder by about 15 feet...😅
You are right-on with all of your points. I love the movie, but I wish I could make some changes to it.
There is a novel out there called 'Engines of Destiny' which is like Generations but better and one can say the story is similar to Flashpoint Paradox. The only ting they kept from the movie was Kir's event with the Ribbon and everything else is an original story. If you can find it, I recommend reading it.
a few things that came to me about the story was when they leave the nexus why not go back to amigosa & stop that with the only picard having to say is security take soren to the brig & then there's also the battle with the B.o.P as why the enterprise do the same amount of attacking as they did with the borg when the shields were not working instead of the ion pulse they went with?
Picard's brother and nephew dying always annoyed me. If they wanted to make Picard realize that his opportunity to have a family had passed. I think of other ways to do it that are way more interesting.
*One slightly edgy idea is have his nephew who would be about 16 for the film show up with a son.* Maybe a bit edgy for Star Trek but would have done the job better.
I dunno... For Myself, after seeing this movie when it was new. I walked away firmly believing the "odd numbered" ST movie curse. I referred to "the Nexus" as the Special Effect to move the plot along. I thought I knew what Picard's personality and motivations were after seeing him on the small screen for so long. Having his heart most desire to be with a family and kids...just seemed a little forced. Captain Kirk reduced to a fistfight in the desert and killed in an unheroic feeling way. I'm glad you can see the merit of this movie. I just felt it reduced to effect STTNG had been.
Why didn't Soran just launch himself into the Nexus in a torpedo or shuttle?
A good review of Generations, Cullen.
- Kirk's death has always seemed controversial, but it can also be easily argued that he died twice. Once giving his life trying to save the Enterprise-B/civilian lives (a respectable death, honestly) and once again at Veridian 3.
- I think it's more of lost opportunities for the film rather than it being substandard for some. I still think Generations was good and paved the way for the much better First Contact.
- I hope they somehow look at The Lost Generation for a future series, showing the Enterprise B or C with their crew.
"Substandard" is kind of an understatement LOL 😂
Nothing about this movie is good
Some minor tweaks that would've improved this film:
1. A scene at Starfleet Academy in present day (TNG time), with a new minor character who is joining the engineering team and that Geordi is there to escort to the Enterprise. This character is at a speech being given by Scotty who is explaining the general story of the episode "Relics" to explain why he is alive in the TNG era, this is for the fans benefit and the general audience who may not have seen the episode. Scotty and Geordi meet up and have brief reunion.
2. Several scenes of a family on the planet who are at a pre-warp 18th century level of technolgy. This is because we are only told there are millions of people on this planet and we are never shown them to really make us as the audience empathetic. Focus on the child in the familiy being curious about space and if they are alone (tug on the old heart strings). This cast will be added in at key moments, such as the planets destruction, and the later correction of seeing the Nexus ribbon flying past the planet. Adding these characters would've also made it clear to the audience the reasons why Picard and Kirk later did what they did, as the way the film is, makes it seem like it's just to stop one man.
3. Altered the death scene of Kirk to have Soran be more directly involved in killing him, as opposed to the current edit which makes it look a little more "accidental".
4. Change/add to the end scene. Instead of the film ending with the ships warping away, have them confirm that they've recovered the body of Kirk and are returning to Starfleet to give him a proper burial. The final scene would be at Starfleet HQ where there is a large service, and they are have burial scene where Scotty (who was introduced again at the begining) plays Amazing Grace on the bag pipes a la Wrath of Khan, ensuring that the audience would've left the theatres with tears dripping down their cheeks.
BONUS 5th. Blown the budget by begging Leonard Nimoy to return at the end and have Spock (who has smuggled himself away from Romulus) have a chat with Picard which effectivly passes the torch.
for picard i just figured it was because he had two wants, the family and his crew family. so it was just showing him first what was at the forefront and the lights were his want to protect.
it's weird but that's how i thought about it anyway.
The Star Trek novel: The Return did a good job of tying up the events of Generations . The audiobook is one of my favorites.
Dave starship has just launched and it was a success. All we need now is phases and Photon torpedos 🤞 Anyway I always thought the Nexus was feeding on people's emotions, including their responsibilities 🤨
Star Trek Generations is since almost forever my first movie when it happens that I get a new TV, blueray player or anything else. It's like my test run routine :)