Idols in the Mind | Father Maximos Constas
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- Father Maximos Constas
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I have been inquiring since early 2020, coming from a very Pentecostal background. When I purchased my first icon of Christ the Pantocrator and showed it to my 1 and a half year old son, he immediately leaned in and kissed the face of Christ. I had never venerated an icon, he had never seen this done and he had never done this to any other image.. not even to pictures of family. This was a significant factor in my acceptance of icons.
Honestly, this brought tears to my eyes. Absolutely amazing how God works.
Always thought Pentecostal Christians was just a slight cope to still be able to party and what not. What your experience been?
Matthew 18:3 and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Thanks for sharing your beautiful story
my neighbors son an 8 year old came over to visit he never saw icons before either looks at mine asks who they are and started kissing them unasked to do so i think children intuitively know
Wow- this brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for sharing and God bless.
Wake up dear ones new Josiah Trenham video just dropped
When it comes to this particular tradition(including kissing the priest's hand)...i didn't have an issue with it once I read Acts 20. The part that opened my eyes was when Paul went to Ephesus to talk to the elders of the church and long story short when he told them they wouldn't see him anymore they were sad. It says that Paul kneeled down to pray with them and they all weeped and fell on his neck and kissed him and accompanied him back to his ship. I realized from that how much we lack the understanding of honoring ppl of importance or leadership in our lives, especially in a religious sense and what that can look like. We get very paranoid not knowing if we are worshipping someone other than God when that is not what is happening.
Yes I haven't seen the video yet, so i don't know what they said..
But that is the hand that gives us the Holy Gifts, so we kiss it in honor of Jesus.. ☦💝☦
Showing respect/honor/veneration is not the same thing as worship. There’s certainly no sacrifice taking place when we show honor or respect to someone.
You hit the nail on the head. Western cultures norms are the complete opposite of the norms in Orthodoxy
pride prevents entering into humility that brings grace
I mean sorry but clearly these are kisses of love and affection that are culturally bound not biblically expected.
I have always loved icons, as a child growing up Protestant and then as an RC convert. I have always kind of known that the iconography doctrines were the truth. Now, 36 yrs. later I am beginning my Orthodox journey. PTL
"No one could describe the Word of the Father, But when He took flesh from Thee, Oh, Theotokos, He accepted to be described, And restored the fallen image to its former place, By uniting it with Divine Beauty.
We accept, we accept and proclaim our salvation in word and images!"
Hymn from the Sunday of the Triumph of Orthodoxy.
☦📿💝📿☦
I need a Orthodox Father Saint in my life🙏🥰🌺😭
❤✝ CHRIST IS RISEN ✝❤
❤💪🙏✝ GOD BE WITH US IN OUR FIGHT AGAINST EVIL AND TEMPTATIONS ✝🙏⛪🕊
Jesus is alive!
Prove it
@@EricDraven-qd9pu Look in the mirror and never challange Christ again.
I love these videos and listening to them. I find so much wisdom and am so grateful to hear the word of the Lord. We keep an Iconostasis in our home, and it's my favorite "nook" in our home. It gives me great comfort and it's beautiful.
Wow, Lord Jesus Christ Son of God have mercy on me a sinner, renew my mind, so many images stuck, flashbacks from mistreatment heal me Please🙏🥰🌺😭
I venerated icons for the time in my church Sunday just gone, it had such a profound effect on me. I felt at that moment closer to christ and the church. At that moment i felt a much greater understanding of what it meant to be Orthodox.
Some people find it difficult to bow or kneel before an icon because their parents or social groups have taught them self-respect. Therefore, they consider it a sign of weakness and humiliation.
"Come let worship and fall down before Christ!", we say.
did not Christ our savior experience weakness and humiliation For You??
@@cabellero1120 Personally, I have no difficulty in bowing or kneeling before God, the Mother of God, the saints and angels of God (represented in the form of their images on icons).
It is like photographs of our beloved ancestors, relatives and friends, from whom we are temporarily separated, and whom we love and cherish, remember and appreciate, and with whom we want to unite our souls in reverent love.
Thank you Fathers!!!This is Great.
Beautiful. Thank you for sharing this Father ☦️🙏❤️
I think the most blatant concern Christians not familiar with icons have is learning how to reconcile the distinction between the law against physical idols in the Old Testament and veneration of holy physical icons as a way to connect with the divine.
I respect that concern. The heterodox love Christ so much they don't want to kiss what in their minds might be an idol.
Thank you Fathers for posting this. I've been reading the late Archbishop Anthony Bloom's book called "Beginning to Pray". In it he talks about how if we focus our attention on an "image" of God in our heads or even an icon as we are praying, we've essentially placed an idol between us and God. It confused me because he was an Orthodox Archbishop! This video cleared things up for me. Thank you!
Gods Blessings i misinterpreted what these Priests said . God Bless our Orthodox Brother,s and Sister,s
I think Fr. Maximos' beard is affecting his audio
I idolize everything including myself.
God bless
They talk about things, that is only understood, by the when the desire of your heart and hole being for God ; when you seek the holy Trinity
by true love for God , that God of the Universe will at some point reveal the energy of the uncreated light.
This in turn will transform you to the realization that the creator ( He , She , It ) is everything in everything and that you can be one with that Love , Light and than words end and the reason( the mind is not a part of that experience anymore.
God is beyond comprehension.
With the mind of humanity on the highest level ends . God begins.
And then Psalmist says, “”be still and know that I’m God “”
Then you just in Life itself. ❤
I really got a lot out of this conversation every time i think im doing ok with the passions then i stumble again i dont want to keep tripping up over the same things i know i cant do it alone and i know its a process please pray for me
I grew up with a Pentecostal pastor for a grandfather, that man’s faith in unshakable along with my grandmother. Unfortunately, the Protestant church has completely failed and has made me interested in orthodoxy. I don’t know what I’m searching for or what I’m asking but could anyone give me any advice for converting or maybe some ways to explain this to my family? I think there is a reason these videos started randomly showing up on my feed and it wasn’t from the algorithm , I don’t recall searching for anything like orthodoxy or priest, I just look up the Bible. Thank you for any advice and have a great day!
Praying for you Mr.Cole - read the late Bishop Timothy Kallistos Ware's book "The Orthodox church" and the late Father Peter Gilquest's "Becoming Orthodox". Helpful books for getting into Orthodoxy. ☦️
Search about "the Jesus prayer " or prayer of the heart.
@@redquoter Thank you for these recommendations, I’ll look into them. I really appreciate you taking the time out to tell me this I just think there’s a reason as to why I’ve been inundated with orthodox Christianity recently. Thanks again!
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I have a lot to learn from orthodox Christians however I do not believe only orthodox are saved. I also feel weird praying to Mary and calling her a commander as it is in my orthodox prayer book. With that said, I love their attitude towards asceticism and worship has more reverence than most Protestants.
As a former Pentecostal regarding praying to Mary I know where you are coming from. That being said think about what the Bible says about worshiping the God of the living and not the dead, and about the great cloud of witnesses St. Paul spoke about. All of these people are alive! Without Marian dogmology, She is the God bearer, and she will pray for us, just as a friend would.
@@orthodoxchristian2219 I’ve watched a lot of videos on it and I agree with veneration, I agree with the respect, I also have great admiration for someone like Mari. But when the prayers start saying, “ my commander” referring toMary, I don’t make sense out of that. Mary is not my commander. I also don’t fully understand theologically how 10 million people could be saying a prayer to marry and somehow she gets all of these? I don’t fully understand that, but I’m comfortable not understanding everything. with that said, I’ve learned more from the orthodox guys than any preachers I can think of
@@OGthrodox-ui2nf I’d be careful with Mari Mar, consult with an Orthodox priest. I think he is heretical at best and a Nestorian at worst. I’ve seen clips where he states that there is no difference between Oriental, Eastern Orthodox and the RC Church. Beware
@@OGthrodox-ui2nf you will learn. You will see. You will rejoice in the fullness of faith that awaits you.☦📿💝📿☦
As a Protestant looking into becoming Orthodox, I find the veneration of icons to violate the commandment: “Thou shall not have graven images”. If any Orthodox could explain how this does not apply, please do.
Exodus 20 commands that no images be made, and then exodus 25 commands images be made… maybe, just maybe, God is not contradicting Himself and there is another explanation?
“And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work you shall make them at the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub at one end, and the other cherub at the other end… And the cherubim shall stretch out their wings above, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and they shall face one another; the faces of the cherubim shall be toward the mercy seat.”
Exodus 25:18-20 NKJV
We only honor the Icons as Orthodox.
@@_Zakariah find the story of the first icon: The Icon Not Made with Hands, August 16.
(You can find it on the Orthodox Church in America [OCA], site.
Or other places..)
It was made by Jesus Himself when He unfolded a cloth and held it up to His Face and His Image appeared on the cloth.
He was on His way to Jerusalem so He could not wait for the servant of a pagan prince, Prince Abgar/Abgarus of Edessa, to paint His portrait.
Prince Abgar had written Him a letter requesting His Image, because he was convinced that, if he saw HIS FACE, that he would be healed of leprosy.
(SUCH FAITH!)
JESUS told the servant to take it to his master, and to tell him to hold it to his face and he would be healed....
BUT NOT COMPLETELY..
BUT, THAT, IN DUE TIME, HE would send someone to heal him completely..
AND SO HE DID:
AFTER PENTECOST, JESUS sent one of the men who had followed HIM with the Apostles, back to the his home city of Edessa, and he taught Prince Abgar and the prince was baptized and fully healed..
His whole family and household was baptized and later his whole city..
He took the image/icon and had it mounted on a board and had it covered with precious metals and pearls and stones and had it mounted over the gate of his city..
Below he had had written:
"OH, LORD, JESUS CHRIST,
NO ONE WHO TRUSTS IN YOU WILL BE DISAPPOINTED!!"
It became a destination point for many Christians....
Because Christ fulfilled the old law. It is complete in and through His Incarnation. As Colossians says under no uncertain terms, He is the icon of the invisible God. Also, in Colossians, the Apostle states clearly what Fr. Maximos is saying here regarding passions as idols. Both 'icon' and 'idolatry' are derived from Greek and are easily made out even to the non-academic eye. Also, it's worth noting that whenever Christ Himself speaks of the commandments to keep from the old law, He never once mentions Exodus 20:4. I hope this helps!
Where can we find the full quote by Fr. Maximos Constas?
For some time now, when I am really struggling and have fallen (again), when standing before Christ, and the Holy Theotokos’ Icons in prayer I cannot lift my eyes to look Him in the eye. I’m ashamed. This messes with my former Protestant brain. Is this wrong?
I find myself wanting to say that anything (from God)which messes with your former prtnst brain is probably a good thing!
But i do say that in a gentle way with a smile..
Psalm 51" Create in me a clean heart, Oh God, and renew a right spirit in me".
Honestly, the Orthodox church is not an uber-prtnst Church..
It is the Church of Truth and mystical beauty which the prtnst works usually dares not to accept or get too close to.
It seems to me that you are on a right path..
Abbot Tryphon put out a video a while back where he said he at times lights his lampadas in the mornings and feels so unworthy that he can't look the images in the eye.
But he loves them and knows they love him..
And, eventually, he can do that again....or words to that effect..
I don't remember exactly..
☦📿💝📿☦
I pray and kneel for Jesus. No man will save you.
😂 you think jesus is real lmao
Apologize for being off-topic, isn't addictions are the act of worshipping idols?
I have active imagination so i need to watch out when i try to imagine an icon, also pray for me for my family and i were far away from the Church.
This energy you talk about is mentioned in esoteric and gnostic teachings.
All heresies contain a small nugget of truth to lure people into a mountain of lies. Orthodoxy has always had an essence and energies distinction in our theology
I don't know why. But the more I read the bible the more I realize that it's just stories about morality. I can't see god there. I don't say that the stories are bad or something but I feel like none of it is to be taken literally. I don't try to influence anyone it's just me renting. I really tried to believe in god and jesus whatever..But after reading the bible I realized that it's not a book about god but moral stories. It's just my opinion. But I am not gonna lie that it feels like something inside me just died because I was raised in a Christian family and now this happened. Like all I believed in was a wishfull thinking.
My man the New Testament clearly isn't just a series of books that teach morality. If that was the case then the teachings of Christ would be at the same level as those of say, Aristotle, Plato, Socrates or Buddha, yet this is clearly not the case as we read in the testimonies of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John who all claim to report eye witness testimony of a man who claimed to be God and didn't just give moral teachings but who also performed miracles, died and was resurrected from the dead and offers all of us a path to salvation. To reduce the Bible to a series of moral teachings is disingenuous. Have a good day and I pray you realise the truth :)
The resistance to bow or kiss any icon is due to exodus 20:4,5. It’s the simplistic answer.
BUDDHA IS LORD
The audio in this video is objectively terrible. I’m actually impressed with how bad it is. The wonderful and beautiful content that is being discussed in the video is now jeopardized due to poor mic/Mixing/mastering or whatever you wanna call it. I had to stop listening halfway through, even I am fascinated by this topic. what good is a steak dinner when served on the lid of a trashcan. all the best
Icons and crosses are innate objects. No thanks.
They talk about things, that is only understood, by the when the desire of your heart and hole being for God ; when you seek the holy Trinity
by true love for God , that God of the Universe will at some point reveal the energy of the uncreated light.
This in turn will transform you to the realization that the creator ( He , She , It ) is everything in everything and that you can be one with that Love , Light and than words end and the reason( the mind is not a part of that experience anymore.
God is beyond comprehension.
With the mind of humanity on the highest level ends . God begins.
And then Psalmist says, “”be still and know that I’m God “”
Then you just in Life itself. ❤