The only thing that matters is torque at the wheels. Engine torque is a meaningless number. HP and gear ratio tell you what force you're putting to the ground.
@@SlyNine Yep, but then there's those guys that seem to think there's some separate HP and torque crankshafts that smaller engines lack the torque one: ruclips.net/video/EVxByLO_6cA/видео.html&lc=Ugy-TJKprNHx3kv20ex4AaABAg.9FPvQHJ0GxQ9TzEvELcs-y
@@airheadaussie0692 inline 6 engines are fully scalable engines. They retain stability at whatever displacement you can think of. Scania has big 14 Liter straight 6 marine engines. Some ships have I6 engines that have displacement numbers in quad digits, they produce enough torque to spin the moon back and forth.
TQ = 1,050 @ 1,600 rpm (6.7L Power Stroke® Turbo Diesel) A modern diesel makes more torque stock than the 10.8L gasser did with a 100 shot That diesel is making less torque than a stock 7.3 from 1994, which is known as one of the slowest diesels
@Zlatan Ibrahimovic Mas se é um teste de força é mais interessante usar a reduzida. Teve vez que ele fez com câmbio automático, ficou mó zuado. A parada tem que ser realista, pelo menos essa é a proposta
It would be nice if you have same sized N/A engines and use same AFR but then launch both cars when on the hill. Should be easier with the diesel as it makes torque from down low.
@@sargentdoggo297 Superchargers, soonTM Whenever the forced aspiration update comes, which will also rework turbos. Not sure on twincharging but we'll see. Special engines, doubt. The most special thing we have is the V16 DLC. V4s, 2-cylinders, inline engines with more than 6 cylinders may come, but unlikely. Basically, if its not widely available in the modern car world, it probably won't be added. Diesels come close if the world was just Europe, but its a lot of work to basically re-make the entire Engine part of the car builder for a fairly low market share.
Torque is what you need to keep the load moving up a hill. Notice the significantly lower torque number of the Diesel Engine in this comparison hence it's struggles in the beginning. If you had just a few hp, say 10 or 20, but had Thousands of torque at the wheels, you'd get the load over, albeit very, very slowly, but you;d get it done! Compared to having 1000hp with just a few Torques at the weels, you'd get going, eventually, but will get stopped short the moment the hill climb begins!
@@toppe2116 i know they were created for pulling stuff but gas engine with turbo just like diesel in this video and diesel without turbo would be intresting
Diesels aren't really made for speed. A diesel's strong point is it's low rpm torque range. V8 engines can have a pretty good torque range, but has to get it at a higher rpm.
At first, i was so disappointed about the diesel But then i realised it's mostly the transmission and not the engine, the first gear looked like it had a low gear ratio, to pull or carry stuffs you need a high gear ratio, so yea...
The thing is, is the the 10l is making over 800 ft/lbs of torque from the start while the 6l is making about 350 at the start so not fair until you do 3 or 4 increases in boost and still doesn't make 800 torque
Let me ask you a question why did you pick the worst-ever turbo diesel engine made for this comparison test it is also the weakest for its size and displacement even compared to that of one in a Volkswagen Jetta.
I mean, depends on the application more so tbh. Is it all a bunch o grunty slow pulling. Diesel for the early torque. If you’re actually gonna be able to use the revs the gasser is pretty nice. But that’s also with apples to apples engine displacements
By the way BeamNG has a Cummins Diesel Pack. Its a 10/10 from my perspective. Has the best diesel sounds I have ever heard in any videogame and is as realistic as possible.
why wasn't the 6.0 supped up like the gasser v8, you sound also make a video with automatic trans in each and did you see tie rods just flexing put some solid axles under them bad boys
Yes, 6L is relatively small for a diesel, especially a V8. Cummins makes 8.4 L 6 Cylinder Diesels. Detroit Diesel makes 14 L In-line 6 motors. Big stuff.
Have you ever seen a 2.0L pickup like the Amarok 2.0L biturbo? haha This is the smallest I know. There are also passenger cars with 1.6l - 2.0l turbo engines
@@regeneric928 Is that I'm from Brazil, here we don't have small cars haha That's why I don't know about the really small ones. We don't even have the 1.6L-2.0L in sedans or hatches, only in SUVs and pickups, the 1.6L diesel being non-existent here. This 1.0L and 1-2L are all turbos because if they are, they must be a very interesting engine.
@@yuri30027 I didn't know that you've got that so called "displacement culture" in Brazil. Fun fact to know. In Europe I drive 2.0L gasoline engine that for today standards is big, back in the 90s it was just above average.
@@regeneric928 Man I made a mistake, I wanted to say at the beginning of the text that we don't have small cars with a diesel engine. We have small and very small cars like the Fiat Mobi and Volkswagen Up, but thank goodness most don't have these cars
I would have guessed like a 427 cubic inch N/A gas V8 (long stroke small bore) vs like a 360 cubic inch I6 turbo diesel running about 20psi on the war whistle. 🤷🏻♂️
At my work we have two of the same dually stakebed trucks but ones a 6.0 gas engine Chevy n other is a 6.6 duramax. Won’t lie, when I’m back up or in weird spots while towing the gas one is easier to control throttle wise. Diesel is only good for those hills with a payload
Can please try making the lightest car with the biggest engine you can possibly put in it. Like a really lightweight small car with a mid engin twin turbo v16 and if you can't fit it in put down the displacement.
Does the bigger displacement really wins tho ? I mean... on every test, the diesel engine managed to pull the trailer across with way less torque.. Take the last run for example, the 10.8L V8, needed 980lb-ft of torque to pull it through, where the 6.0L needed only 800, doesn't sounds like a win for the gasoline engine to me. *shrug*
I actually own a 7.4L (454) Chevy with a 5 speed manual. There is no way any manual transmission dually pickup can do 30mph in 1st gear. Mine has a 6.34:1 1st gear that can easily pull the truck with a ton of weight in the bed up a hill that steep (my driveway) at idle (500rpm). It's got less than half the power of yours. Gearing is HUGE. Mine is only a 3.73:1 rear axle too. If I use crawler gear with an 8 ton trailer, I just slip the clutch slightly, starting on a hill, and it will do it, no problem. That said...a 632 swap sounds fun. 🙃
So an unrealistic motor beats a realistic motor that makes less than half whp on all test wow what a test. Get back to me when you test the diesel against something realistic that makes the same whp
Hey can some one help me So I’m facing this issue that whenever I spawn in that trailer in the video it’s rear tires are not there and I don’t have the option to add it’s the AR SMTH mod
What’s interesting, is that every time diesel struggled, it wasn’t the diesel, it was the clutch. I guarantee you if you have a high stall torque convertor, It would pull all day every day. Diesels are built for reliability. Sure that big imaginary V8 can pull more, but for how long? Put a big turbo on that V8, and I guarantee it blows up before the diesel
in reality the diesel engine is much more powerful than the gasoline one, this game simulates a total stupidity because the diesel engines were made with a purpose, that being to move the heavy things
IRL 6.0L PSD needs 25-30psi to make ok power anything less and its a waste of fuel, and that is an unloaded truck with a load i think they are programmed to go up to around 40ish
You should have built that gas engine with a low RPM/high TORQUE cam, with torque peaking at about 1200 RPM, if you want to test for pulling power, not a cam that has torque peaking at 4500 RPM. That is a hot-rod motor, not a truck motor.
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When I read the title I thought the "Big Gasoline V8" would be something like a 454, not a maxed-out Automation meme motor.
Hmm automation meres you say
Yeah lol, a 454 Big Block makes a whole lot more sense than an 800 horsepower 10.8 Litre Meme
its always a fuckin 600cu if youre making a "big", "american" v8 in automation
6.0 will outpull a 454 or
Same that’s why the deisel was losing
makes a comparison between extremely low gear ratio with low power versus high gear ratio with high torque
diesel gear ratio would make big difference in this pulling test
@@KP-48-007 sounds like a 7.3 dually powerstroke
MY FIRST BEAMNG.DRIVE VIDEO!!!
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The only thing that matters is torque at the wheels. Engine torque is a meaningless number. HP and gear ratio tell you what force you're putting to the ground.
@@SlyNine Yep, but then there's those guys that seem to think there's some separate HP and torque crankshafts that smaller engines lack the torque one: ruclips.net/video/EVxByLO_6cA/видео.html&lc=Ugy-TJKprNHx3kv20ex4AaABAg.9FPvQHJ0GxQ9TzEvELcs-y
"small" but it's a 6 liter hahaha
Same i was bout to say
Also that diesel should be running 20 pounds boost stock
@@elishahocking2885 i wouldnt say so :) theres also some diesels that run 5lbs boost in stock just to add kicks in high rpms where its not effective
Relatively
@@jurajokasa834 More looking at the current days truck main 3 line up. All running 6 liter or bigger running 22 to 30 psi and including the 90s
Small: 6 litres ok
It's a 100% american thing
A 6 liter is 360ci which is small here especially for pickups. Mines a 7.3 which is 444ci.
I have a 4.1 litre inline 6 lol, bit oversized ngl
@@airheadaussie0692 inline 6 engines are fully scalable engines. They retain stability at whatever displacement you can think of. Scania has big 14 Liter straight 6 marine engines. Some ships have I6 engines that have displacement numbers in quad digits, they produce enough torque to spin the moon back and forth.
Mines a 7.5 liter 460🤷♂️
A comparison with having the same size gas and diesel and seeing what each one takes to keep up with each other would be interesting
i think he did that video before
He did it before
7.3 gas vs 7.3 idi
Gas would outrun thr diesel all day till you need fuel. Been done in the real world alot. Gas wins until you need to do it all day everyday
@@codyparker679 gas engines would brake if they were used as extensively as diesel engines, that's why semi trucks and tractors have diesel engines
TQ = 1,050 @ 1,600 rpm (6.7L Power Stroke® Turbo Diesel)
A modern diesel makes more torque stock than the 10.8L gasser did with a 100 shot
That diesel is making less torque than a stock 7.3 from 1994, which is known as one of the slowest diesels
Damn boy the 10.8l sound good
This 10.8 doing work good.
It sounds like mix between a ford powerstroke and a Cummins.
@@curedanxiety1679 how
10.9l: I'm about to end this whole mans carrer
I know right
Huge 10.8 liter meme V8 in a big ass pickup truck, perfect vehicle for Karen to take the kids to school.
Well 6 clyender is better
Karen drives a prius.
@@gasolinediesel972 Chevy Suburban , Cadillac Escalade XL Or GMC Yukon XL Karen likes big
Initially I thought yes but perhaps the diesel because it can belch smoke.
To be accurate for the body styles it'd need to be a 6.5L diesel and 454 ci big block
Or a 6.9/ 7.3 and a 460
Question: how did you use the engine you built in automation in one of the standard trucks in beam.ng?
I wanna know the same thing
+1
Same
+1
Probably copied & pasted the torque numbers to the existing engine and changed the name to "10.8l v8"
Random hillbillies: “Gots me an ol’ diesel Chevy.”
Random guy: “Yeah, I put a 10.8l V8 in my truck.”
Westen champlin (redneck king)-"Yeah well i managed to fit a 15l inline 6 turbo diesel in my chevy"😂
@@guacamoleweiner69 I love his Cummins Mustang, “Smokey.”
Lets be honest. With a boost that high, it's no longer a diesel engine but a compressed air engine.
Pretty normal for a diesel to push high boost completely stock
The 2017 ford f350 turbo diesel runs 40psi of boost from factory
This guys has never heard of compound turbo diesels I see
There is the BMW 550d/750d, which is a 3L I6 Quadturbo Diesel, running at 39.1psi of boost stock. Quite a cool engine tbh
A cummins isx will run at 60 psi of boost. That's what a diesel engine is a very powerful air compressor
Why don't you use low gear? So you don't need any more boost
@Zlatan Ibrahimovic Mas se é um teste de força é mais interessante usar a reduzida. Teve vez que ele fez com câmbio automático, ficou mó zuado. A parada tem que ser realista, pelo menos essa é a proposta
In low gear both trucks will pull it with ease. The point of the test is to see which engine is stronger
It would be nice if you have same sized N/A engines and use same AFR but then launch both cars when on the hill. Should be easier with the diesel as it makes torque from down low.
Automation needs to make diesel engine building for stuff like this
This is in the FAQ; basically diesel market too small
@@reinbeers5322 how about a 13b?
@@sargentdoggo297 rotary market is even smaller than diesel market
@@reinbeers5322 are they going to add any special engine or supercharger?
@@sargentdoggo297 Superchargers, soonTM
Whenever the forced aspiration update comes, which will also rework turbos. Not sure on twincharging but we'll see.
Special engines, doubt. The most special thing we have is the V16 DLC. V4s, 2-cylinders, inline engines with more than 6 cylinders may come, but unlikely.
Basically, if its not widely available in the modern car world, it probably won't be added. Diesels come close if the world was just Europe, but its a lot of work to basically re-make the entire Engine part of the car builder for a fairly low market share.
Switching to low range would make it much easier as it multiplies torque
Wait how did you put an automation engine into a standard Beam car?
“Hmm, I smell burnt clutch.” Meanwhile- Smoke pouring out of car
Torque is what you need to keep the load moving up a hill. Notice the significantly lower torque number of the Diesel Engine in this comparison hence it's struggles in the beginning. If you had just a few hp, say 10 or 20, but had Thousands of torque at the wheels, you'd get the load over, albeit very, very slowly, but you;d get it done! Compared to having 1000hp with just a few Torques at the weels, you'd get going, eventually, but will get stopped short the moment the hill climb begins!
10.8L V8 Petrol vs. 6L V8 Turbo Diesel?
that's just unfair! 😂
that's like comparing a 1.9 SDI Golf vs a VR6 Golf..
To a W12 Golf you should say! 😜😂🤣
Get a 10.8 liter diesel and it'll wipe the floor with the 10.8 liter gas engine
Give the 10.8 liter gas engine a turbo from diesel and we will see
@@fofo_j60 so ypu didn't know 10.8 liter diesel engine would make much more torque than 10.8 liten gas engine.
Yea diesels are more powerful
@@toppe2116 i know they were created for pulling stuff but gas engine with turbo just like diesel in this video and diesel without turbo would be intresting
@@fofo_j60 just crank the boost to the sky in the diesel and we will see
yes pls I love these trucks
Diesels aren't really made for speed. A diesel's strong point is it's low rpm torque range. V8 engines can have a pretty good torque range, but has to get it at a higher rpm.
At first, i was so disappointed about the diesel
But then i realised it's mostly the transmission and not the engine, the first gear looked like it had a low gear ratio, to pull or carry stuffs you need a high gear ratio, so yea...
Dont forget that the gasoline engine has considerably higher displacement than the diesel.
also don't forget the diesel has much higher compression either, 3x over even
This would've make sense to compare if they'd be similiar in peak power and show the difference in torque range, but comparing 660HP to 190HP?
The thing is, is the the 10l is making over 800 ft/lbs of torque from the start while the 6l is making about 350 at the start so not fair until you do 3 or 4 increases in boost and still doesn't make 800 torque
Let me ask you a question why did you pick the worst-ever turbo diesel engine made for this comparison test it is also the weakest for its size and displacement even compared to that of one in a Volkswagen Jetta.
Should have used an inline 6
I love these swaps keep them coming
How do you make an engine in automation and but it in a beam base car
When we call 6.0 liter diesel small...
and use a 10l gasser to compare
My diesel is 7.3l
It is small compared to the rest of the diesel world. Most of them are more than 2× the size
I mean, depends on the application more so tbh.
Is it all a bunch o grunty slow pulling. Diesel for the early torque. If you’re actually gonna be able to use the revs the gasser is pretty nice. But that’s also with apples to apples engine displacements
Well first off with a lower reving engine, you need a lower gear ratio, and 4:10 gears aren’t low enough for the average towing rig.
By the way BeamNG has a Cummins Diesel Pack.
Its a 10/10 from my perspective.
Has the best diesel sounds I have ever heard in any videogame and is as realistic as possible.
Did a pulling test with that mod.
ruclips.net/video/GBLuCKbDmZU/видео.html
What gear are both trucks in? Same ratio rear end? 4x4 engaged or not?
Video sudgestion: the new D-series prerunner vs LKS prerunner
You should do a video showing the difference between the D series normal rear axle and heavy duty one.
They should have the same boost and displacement to be a fair test
Video should be labled. “We test a fully modded out big block gas motor against a diesel with 3x less power using different transmissions”
Make a car with an engine that is small with a lot of cylinders like a Ferrari 250 gtos 3.0 liter v12
why wasn't the 6.0 supped up like the gasser v8, you sound also make a video with automatic trans in each and did you see tie rods just flexing put some solid axles under them bad boys
Yes, 6L is relatively small for a diesel, especially a V8. Cummins makes 8.4 L 6 Cylinder Diesels. Detroit Diesel makes 14 L In-line 6 motors. Big stuff.
Have you ever seen a 2.0L pickup like the Amarok 2.0L biturbo? haha This is the smallest I know. There are also passenger cars with 1.6l - 2.0l turbo engines
@@yuri30027 Smallest you know? Man, go and check Lupo 3L with 1.2 TDI engine :D
@@regeneric928 Is that I'm from Brazil, here we don't have small cars haha That's why I don't know about the really small ones. We don't even have the 1.6L-2.0L in sedans or hatches, only in SUVs and pickups, the 1.6L diesel being non-existent here. This 1.0L and 1-2L are all turbos because if they are, they must be a very interesting engine.
@@yuri30027 I didn't know that you've got that so called "displacement culture" in Brazil. Fun fact to know.
In Europe I drive 2.0L gasoline engine that for today standards is big, back in the 90s it was just above average.
@@regeneric928 Man I made a mistake, I wanted to say at the beginning of the text that we don't have small cars with a diesel engine. We have small and very small cars like the Fiat Mobi and Volkswagen Up, but thank goodness most don't have these cars
This is a famous case of "there's no replacement to engine displacement"
Don’t need the engine, it’s messes up the rhythm
There is tho. Its a turbo and a supercharger. A v8 with a turbo would have the same power as the big v8 with a smaller displacement
For me a "small" Diesel engine would be a 1.9 and a big a 4.2 . This guy starts with 6.0 :D
6.0 is pretty small in the diesel world. Most industrial engines are more than twice the displacement
@@guacamoleweiner69 well , we are talking about a Pickup truck tho , not a heavy duty monster or a 18 wheeler
I would have guessed like a 427 cubic inch N/A gas V8 (long stroke small bore) vs like a 360 cubic inch I6 turbo diesel running about 20psi on the war whistle. 🤷🏻♂️
Nice vídeo
I love Diesel trucks
The clutch was hanging on for dear life
I've been wondering why you do the pull tests with manuals?
Why not?
Manuals are the gooderst
@@sargentdoggo297 Because usually it's the slipping clutch that fails in this videos not the engine. Defeats the purpose of engine comparison.
Compare the same vehicle with a naturally aspirated diesel vs a naturally aspirated gas and make them both the same size
Uh for something like this the diesel will win every run
How to make a trailer mount in a pickup truck? and where to get trailers like yours?
How do you get the small menu like that? It feels like mine takes up most of the screen and i can hardly see what im putting on
Yea all of his ui looks so small compared to mine and I’m wondering how he did it
UI scale
Most diesels are pushing 40 pounds of boost stock and its the 6.0 if you used the 7.3 or 6.7 it would have better results
or the Cummins mod for BeamNG
che programma usi per i motori?
If this was a 6.0 liter powerstroke it would destroy the gasser but hes using some 6.0 nobody heard of
What’s the readout thing under the hp and torque graph. I have been looking for it for a long time
There is no replacement for displacement. 🤠
0:16 how do you do that?
Automation
How did you use automation engines in beamng vehicles
Hey what trailer were you using
in the description
Basically two GMC trucks but with different engines
At my work we have two of the same dually stakebed trucks but ones a 6.0 gas engine Chevy n other is a 6.6 duramax. Won’t lie, when I’m back up or in weird spots while towing the gas one is easier to control throttle wise. Diesel is only good for those hills with a payload
Do they make anything like this for Xbox?
Can please try making the lightest car with the biggest engine you can possibly put in it. Like a really lightweight small car with a mid engin twin turbo v16 and if you can't fit it in put down the displacement.
There’s truly no replacement for displacement here!
Hey not use low range instead of NOS?
where do you find engine source code?? cos i cant find it
You should try building off the specs of a 95 tbi 454 vs. The GM Detroit 6.5L Turbo diesel or the 6.6 duramax.
Does the bigger displacement really wins tho ?
I mean... on every test, the diesel engine managed to pull the trailer across with way less torque..
Take the last run for example, the 10.8L V8, needed 980lb-ft of torque to pull it through, where the 6.0L needed only 800, doesn't sounds like a win for the gasoline engine to me. *shrug*
Gasoline pulled 2 trailers without nos or turbo, so that's a considerable advantage.
He should have used an inline 6 diesel. Would have made the torque at a lower rpm
I actually own a 7.4L (454) Chevy with a 5 speed manual. There is no way any manual transmission dually pickup can do 30mph in 1st gear. Mine has a 6.34:1 1st gear that can easily pull the truck with a ton of weight in the bed up a hill that steep (my driveway) at idle (500rpm). It's got less than half the power of yours. Gearing is HUGE. Mine is only a 3.73:1 rear axle too. If I use crawler gear with an 8 ton trailer, I just slip the clutch slightly, starting on a hill, and it will do it, no problem. That said...a 632 swap sounds fun. 🙃
I'm new to beam ng curious of what game mode your playing?
So an unrealistic motor beats a realistic motor that makes less than half whp on all test wow what a test. Get back to me when you test the diesel against something realistic that makes the same whp
dam that gas engine is strong
it was accelerating up the hill even with the load
I have a fox for the trailer mod so it has both axles if you want it?
Fix*
Yo how do you swap automation engines in beamng cars
what would happen with an 10 liter diesel
Why did you not put the trucks in low range?
What trailer/gooseneck mod are you using?
It’s the trailer pack but some of the trailers with dual axles are glitch and don’t have a tire on the second axle so he removed it
Hydrogen and GPL are the future of internal combustion engines. Those with diesel or petrol will have to be reduced.
There truly is no replacement for displacement.
why do you let off the throttle mid way up the ramp
So unrealistic but cool video also bulletproof that 6oh 😂
Hey can some one help me
So I’m facing this issue that whenever I spawn in that trailer in the video it’s rear tires are not there and I don’t have the option to add it’s the AR SMTH mod
Mods probs broken
what trailer mod did u use
its in the desc
how did he get that page at 0:18
wait how did you import the v8
I love these vids
What’s interesting, is that every time diesel struggled, it wasn’t the diesel, it was the clutch. I guarantee you if you have a high stall torque convertor, It would pull all day every day. Diesels are built for reliability. Sure that big imaginary V8 can pull more, but for how long?
Put a big turbo on that V8, and I guarantee it blows up before the diesel
A 9l diesel i6 would have shat on that imagine 10l v8
Y did u leave them in high?
Why is it ron at gasoline?
In beam.ng drive, do not use manual switching. Always use automatic for this. The manual always slips through, especially with the diesel.
kinda obvious that a 10.8 litre engine would out perform a 6.0 litre no matter gas or diesel
in reality the diesel engine is much more powerful than the gasoline one, this game simulates a total stupidity because the diesel engines were made with a purpose, that being to move the heavy things
Why do you keep letting off the throttle of the 6.0
How did you import that engine from automation?
IRL 6.0L PSD needs 25-30psi to make ok power anything less and its a waste of fuel, and that is an unloaded truck with a load i think they are programmed to go up to around 40ish
LOVE YOUR VIDEOSSSSS
How did you put automation engines in the default beamng cars
it would be interesting to see the opposite, small gasoline vs big diesel
how to use automation engin in beamng drive car?
You should have built that gas engine with a low RPM/high TORQUE cam, with torque peaking at about 1200 RPM, if you want to test for pulling power, not a cam that has torque peaking at 4500 RPM. That is a hot-rod motor, not a truck motor.
So you're trailer mod stopped giving you correct tires too??? I see you're running flats. It's either flats or mud tires with air. Lol
its broken for a while now sadly
@@alouisschafer7212 Mines been broke for about 6 months now
Why did you put a 6 liters diesel vs 10 liters gasolin its not fair becaus the difference is 4 liters and i think you don't have 4 liters at yoir car.