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I make this, but after removing it from the pan I set it on a baking steel that was also in the 550F oven and it really helps finish crisping that bottom while the top stays consistent
That's a good idea. Similar to my way of reheating leftover pizza. Microwave it a bit to heat it back up then throw it on a hot skillet for just a minute or so to crisp it back up so it's not all soggy. Works great
If you bake with the pan on a pre-heated steel or stone, you will get a much darker bottom. Works a treat. No need to put the pizza directly on the steel post-bake, just put the pan itself on the steel.
For people wondering about bottom of the pizza not being crispy enough… Treat it like a cast iron pan. You can totally take a peak at the bottom with an offset spatula and then put the pan on a burner.
I was about to suggest the same thing. To be honest though I think getting the square pan in of itself is only worth doing if you are really into the detroit pizza thing. You pretty much get all good advantages with a cast iron skillet and it goes on the burner easier. But then again by that point you're just making deep dish pizza.
@@Kowzorz That is one way of doing it and some recipes do it. It's a bit hard to judge the burner time that way so usually burner after is the better way to go. Some recipes actually call for pre-heating the skillet and I've done that before too but you can't leave the pizza to rise in the pan that way so I don't recommend it.
Hey Adam. My uncle just passed away from cancer last night, and I've barely been able to eat since. I watched this video the hour it came out and was so inspired to cook by it I got to work as I was watching it. As I'm eating the pizza now, I want to thank you for sharing your love of cooking. I'm sure I'm not the only one who your videos have inspired to keep moving, and live a healthier life
My dad is from Detroit; he used to take me and my brother to Buddy’s as kids, and as a home cookingenthusiast has done loads of research on how to replicate it at home. He swears by standard nonstick pans. The first time he made it at home, he special-ordered a blue steel pan, likely the same one/from the same source as the one in this video. He made enough dough for two pizzas so he made one in the blue steel pan and one in a normal nonstick pan of similar dimensions. I wasn’t there at the time but he said he had real issues with the blue steel pizza sticking, even when oiled, and if I remember correctly it didn’t brown as evenly either. The nonstick pizza came out flawlessly on the first attempt. They may be the “authentic” tool for the job, but do not be afraid to just use a run-of-the-mill rectangular nonstick pan from Wal-Mart like my dad does.
Did he season the pan first? That would probably fix the sticking issue. I also don’t particularly like the idea of nonstick in the oven on max temperatures.
I’m from Detroit and use a cheap nonstick black aluminum pan from Walmart. It’s a perfect personal pizza size. I also don’t usually have a problem getting real nice browning. I’ll change the temp/times based on toppings or how thick I go, but often ill cook em at 425 for 15-18min and I get a beautiful crust, the toppings get some caramelizing but the cheese doesn’t burn too much, and the pizza still rises just fine and got that nice lightness but with the chew.
@@Aikano9I use nonstick pans at 400-430 with no problem and they still work as nonstick. I’ve eaten at buddys and a lot of Detroit pizza spots and my pizzas come out about as close as you can get at home. You’re at home, fuck super high heat we can’t replicate pizza spots. I use a THIN nonstick aluminum dark colored pan from Walmart it’s maybe 9” square, a perfect 4 slice personal pizza size. I’ll cook my pizzas at 400-430 for 15-20 minutes. The temp and time all depends on how thick the pizza is, how oily the pan is, and how much toppings you put on it. More toppings = browner crust by the time the top is done and also more water on top, so I’ll go closer to 400 and cook longer, maybe even use the broiler at the end to evaporate the water and brown the top. More oil on the pan means better browning, but like Adam said too much isn’t good.
This actually reminds me of my first attempt, I highly recommend trying putting the pan on a cast iron or pizza steel with oven set at 550 for 14-16 minutes depending on oven characteristics. the pizza steel or iron pan makes a world of difference in getting that crust to perfection. also i just want to say thank you for spreading the word of our beloved pizza style.
The only problem with that though is the transferring of the dough to that pan which you initially proofed to form in that pan. I guess you could buy 2 pans.
I still want to cry every time I see someone giving Detroit style some love. I remember growing up going to Buddy’s before Detroit style began making a name for itself outside of the metro-Detroit area. Thank you so much for dedicating two videos to the topic!
The biggest gain I got with my Detroit style at home was shifting form a rectangular pan to a smaller square one (with as thin walls as I could find, I believe mine was specifically made for Detroit style pizzas but it's been a while and can't recall specifically). Which, sure, I'm getting a smaller overall yield that way, but really what makes Detroit style pop for me is that amazing browned cheese crust. A smaller square pan gives me more of that good stuff per-piece.
I have an even better hack that’ll help you- Par bake just the dough for a few minutes BEFORE you top it. This causes the entire pizza to shrink in the pan just a touch, allowing for 1/8” gap around the edges for more cheese to fall between the pan and the edge of the crust. This also gives the crust more oven time than the toppings, so you don’t have to worry about the toppings being over baked before the crust is ready.
@@adamthompson8140 Yes Adam! I agree! If your crust is thick then you should par bake crust before adding toppings. I brush melted real butter adding herbs that I love to the crust. Bake at 425°F for 5 to 8 min, or until dough looks half baked. Add toppings starting with sauce. Bake on 2nd shelf from bottom element at 450°F, 8 minutes or until bottom is brown. Then ENJOY!!
Still live in Detroit, and I work 5 minutes away from a Buddy’s Pizza. Got to say, for a homemade pizza, this is pretty close to the authentic pizza here. Keep up the good work
A good trick to getting extra crisp crust when you’re baking a pan pizza is after it has baked, release it from the pan, then drop it onto a preheated pizza steel or baking stone if you have one, or directly onto the bottom rack if you don’t. It’ll crisp up that bottom more, which is critical for these thicker crust pizzas in my opinion.
When baking my Detroit style, I cover the pan with a sheet pan for quite a lot of the baking time to keep the cheese from getting too cooked. Take the pan off for the last 5-10 minutes to let it brown and get those great crispy edges.
I’m very blessed to be living in the detroit metro area and have been raised in detroit style pizza, and I’m absolutely filled with joy to see the love for it on this channel lately!
First of all, you're the man, love your content. FWIW, I've been doing Detroit style at home with the limitation of a 500º oven for a few years and I've found that a 2-3 minute par-bake of the crust prior to topping gets me where I want to be. I'd also echo what's already been said about using a cooling rack. Thanks for the great work!!
Greetings from Finland! 🤠🇫🇮 My boyfriend and I have cracked the cheese overcooking problem by just simply adding the cheese a bit later on the pizza while the crust has had a bit of oven time on its own first. We do it like this: 1) Do the thing. By "thing" i mean literally everything that is involved in making pizza. The dough, the dough spreading, the toppings. Preheating the oven etc. Everything but the cheese! 2) When you're done with everything else and the pizza is ready to bake, toppings and all, put the pizza in the oven without any cheese at first. We use 300° Celcius, which is the maximum we get here. And as a bonus tip, we don't use a pizza stone, but we simply leave our baking sheet in the oven while the oven is preheating! When the oven is ready, the sheet will be smoking hot and by baking our pizza on the pre-heated baking sheet we can assure that the crust will be super crispy! It's a bit of a hassle to take the hot sheet out of the oven and put the pizza on top of it, but that we have solved by rolling up the pizza dough directly on a parchment paper. The parchment is really easy to lift on the hot baking sheet without burning yourself. It's generally a two person job, but i've managed to do it alone aswell. You just need to be super fast and confident in your movements, lol. 3) Let the pizza bake until it's nearly done! For us it's usually about 12 minutes. The cheese really needs only a couple of minutes to melt to be just right for us! I like it a bit stretchy and soft. When the crust looks like it's nearly there, you just pop the pizza out from the oven for a moment, quickly toss the cheese on there, and then you bake it for the remaining few minutes! When the baking sheet is pre heated as well it doesn't do any damage to just take the pizza out for a moment to add the cheese. It's going to continue cooking on that hot sheet - a bit slower for a moment yes, but that doesn't really matter. And you could totally modify this if you like the cheese to brown a bit. Just let the pizza pre bake a bit less time, and add the cheese a bit earlier to give it enough time to melt and brown - but not separate or overcook! Result: Crispy bottom and crust, and the cheese exactly how you like it. I hope this technique helps someone to make some awesome pizza! 🍕🍕🍕
This is like word for word exactly what I have been doing past few years, paper carrying and all haha. I totally agree, this method really works for me too and I love it, cheers!
I do this for frozen pizzas since they never have enough cheese for me. Cook it until it's about 5 minutes from done, then throw a bunch of extra cheese on it and cook for that final 5 minutes.
When I make sheet pan pizza at home I put the pan on the lower most rack right above the element, and that usually helps with browning the bottom without the cheese squeezing out its oil and breaking.
One thing I find that helps browning with detroit style pizza for me is the use of shortening on the pan vs olive oil. It makes a crispier crust when it fries on the bottom and also helps the dough stay in place when it ferments/stretches to fit the pan. Also finishing the pie on the hot stone at the end keeps the crust crisper and helps negate the home oven's weakness compared to a deck oven. I use Detroit blue steel pans and never have had a pizza come out as light as this one, even without above said tweeks so it could come down to just the power of one's home oven.
Great video! I just noticed a little error in your conversion of the pan size. 110 square inches is not 279 square centimeters. This is just the conversion of the length 110 inches. If you convert the area, the conversion factor must be squared as well. (you could also google it) After some "complicated calculations" (aka just googling it), 110 square inches come out to 709.676 cm^2.
I've been waiting for this!!! Then again, tbh, metro Detroit generally orders at Jets, they put the sauce underneath the cheese and toppings. Wildly good. Born raised and residing in Detroit, I can just order it, but I love seeing the representation!!❤
Jets is absolutely the easy version here; like 85% as good as Buddy's, plus it's a national chain! Little Caesar's technically also has a Detroit-Style, but I would say thats more like 60% as good as Buddy's
As someone who lives about 45 minutes from Buddy's Pizza, the main thing I think you should change with this is the pepperoni. Buddy's uses natural casing pepperoni that curls into little cups when in the oven.
Man, I really disliked that when I saw it at my local pizza joint. It just ended up trapping a ton of grease in each little pepperoni "cup". I don't know if there are different ways of doing it or if it's just a style I don't like.
@@Tinil0 The big advantage from them curling up like that is that they get really crispy. And I've never minded grease on my pizza, it's a part of the experience, though you can sub out the cheese to help mitigate it. For all the criticism they get, Little Caesar's uses a mix of mozzarella and Munster cheese with serves the double purpose of reducing the grease and making the cheese break easier in the mouth, so you're less likely to get a five foot long string of cheese every time you try taking a bite.
@@Great_Olaf5 Practical. I've always dislike the cheese porn that people tend to associate with the want of cheesy food. I just want to eat my food, not play with it.
To help browning, I bake the pizza without cheese and add it later. However I also prefer using fresh Mozarella, which you do not want to get chewey, so that's really only about 5 minutes max at full blast. I also like to add semola to the greased pan, so you get that crunchy oily texture at the bottom.
So thrilled to see a Detroit style pizza episode! What I have found is that using larger cheese chunks it takes longer for the cheese to melt and allows for way more crisping. Also, I use way more cheese around my edges as I like the sides fried in cheese oil.
I've largely made my own for a while, though I've found that the Great value (Walmart) brand original pizza crust they sell is a good option if you don't have the time to deal with making your own crust. I'm not entirely sure about the actual size of the pans that I've used, but one of them fills the smaller and two fills the larger, though with each there's a little bit of working it to expand. The one major thing that I've discovered as a major thing is that for this style pizza, you really need to use something that would be greasy for a "topping" pepperoni and sausage are good options, but a lot of others don't. The main reason is that with the thicker crust, you want the grease to work its way into the crust as you cook and add more flavor to it. I've also found that if you aren't using the steel options, parchment is helpful for getting the pizza out of the pan, but you still need to oil it to get the best results there. I'm going to need to try freezing the cheese though, mine tended to get quite dark on me as I cooked it, but I also tended to blend in other cheese...the local Krogers actually, occasionally, has Brick Cheese, but I mix it with LM Mozzerella and Provolone...and the cheese area of the Kroger can actually have it fully prepped if you want.
That Widmer's brick cheese It's not only one of our standard deli staples where I work, but I only live an hour and a half from the factory itself. (So much more compact than you might be imagining.) I think this is the first time one of your obscure ingredients has been one of my local favorites.
This actually looks really good! One thing I noticed them do at Buddy's was also sprinkle the sauce around after making the racing stripes. I guess to give you little pockets of sauce elsewhere.
I find it funny how few people know about the ice cube tray trick. It comes in handy for so many things, especially freezing that end of season pesto you just know you’re gonna crave during the long winter months!
Lots of great suggestions here for getting a darker crust in a home oven. I prefer Chef John's trick of starting off on the range and then moving to an oven. I have a long middle burner meant for a griddle that I use, moving the pan often to get even heating and transferring to the oven after 2-3 minutes (if you hear the crust start to sizzle and fry in the oil, then it's ready for the oven). This gives the crust a good head start. Also, an overnight proof in the refrigerator really improves the taste of the dough, but I usually don't think that far in advance.
Watching this video and the one where you actually visited Buddy's makes me feel so lucky to live within a short drive from a Buddy's location. It's great seeing a place I actually go to and enjoy in your videos.
Love Detroit style pizza. Such a fantastic style to make it home. I made one recently from my sourdough starter and it was awesome. Of course I don't have one of those blue steel pans. I use the Wilton from Walmart which actually worked perfectly for me since I don't like mine to get too dark. I like it nice and golden. On that subject, if you want your crust to get a little darker, once you take it out, turn one of the stove burners on and move the pan around on top of it for a bit. That will crisp and darken things up nicely.
I have a deeper pan than what you’re using, and basically just did the Chef John version, it’s always turned out well. Always glad to see the Detroit method of pizza making spread further. I’m from WI, and as far as I’m concerned, there is a place for NY, Chicago and Detroit style pizzas, they’re all great. If you’re eating any of them you’re having a good day.
Hey Adam great video! I bake my pizza in a Lloyd pan and put in right onto my pizza steel. That extra heat from the pizza steel really helps get the bottom crust browned. Keep up the great work!
after your last Detroit pizza i made my own at home , used: lm mozarella and gouda, big salami sliced in half (they were covering the whole bottom), my usual pizza dough, and for souse just blended jarred tomatoes and it was great and unusually solty at the bottom in a good way
Tradition is literally the survival of the fittest. I don't like the subtext you're spewing here. If anything, science proves grandma was more right than you think a lot of the time
try putting the pizza on the lowest or second lowest rack in the oven (if your oven has a heating coil on the bottom). I don't have a pizza steel or stone and kept having issues with my cast iron / sheet pan pizzas having an undercooked crust & overcooked cheese. I used to start/finish the pan on the stovetop but it was a bit finicky, I've found just keeping the pizza pan close to the heating coil in my oven does the trick & gets me more consistent results easily
i have no idea what happened either but it’s just the superior to chicago style deep dish. i live in metro detroit so i’ve been hip to it, but i swear some cooking guy came to detroit and had a ratatouille moment so he had to spread the gospel
Adam, for my pizzas I use a pizza stone in my grill, with a rack on top. If you crank up the burners it’ll get to the 700f+ you need for Detroit or NY style
Adam, I just want to thank you for teaching us so much about the various ways of making pizza. My go to is the cast iron skillet pizza with that crispy caramelized tomato sauce up the sides. I recently discovered a new way to make my pizza sauce though: watered down tomato paste! It's cheap, easy, and has a developed flavour profile with tonnes of umami from the drying process.
On vacation at lake Constance in Germany I had something similarly pillowy but based on alsatian flammkuchen. It was delicious. I generally highly recommend you look into the french german "pizza equivalent" of flammkuchen.
Detroit Style is THE BEST! I grew up 3 miles north of the original Buddy's and a mile south of Loui's (who was one of the original cooks at Buddy's). Loui's is my personal favorite, but you can't go wrong with a DSP. Usually, the best ones spoon heated sauce on the pie after it's done cooking. Give that a try. May make a difference, may not. Thanks for the video!
I've lived in Michigan all my life and I never knew that there was a style of Pizza called Detroit style. I even ate Jet's pizza which is mainly Detroit style without knowing it. Anyways I really do like this style of pizza because I grew up on it.
Widmer's brick is awesome. I'm just a few minutes from there. Used to be there was an even closer cheese house that made brick, Bon Bree in Mapleton WI. Widmer's is about as close as you'll ever get to that. Thanks for the content Adam! I DO love pizza!
Few things: Neither Buddy's or Jet's use olive oil for the pan. Best as I could ever tell, Buddy's used corn oil, and Jet's uses a butter flavored oil. The hydration percentage of Jet's dough is like above 70%, and I'm pretty sure that Buddy's is near that too. It's an awful sticky mess at that high of hydration, but it's worth it. Both places will actually raise the dough in the pan, for most of the day. They make big batches in the morning and just rack up pans (they have hundreds, of course) on roller caddies and take them out as they need them. Detroit-style pizza has been my kryptonite since before I even knew what it was called or from where it hailed. It wasn't until I went to graduate school in the mitten that I learned the full story. Buddy's is great, but I was more of a Jet's guy at the end of the day (maybe that's just because we didn't have a buddy's in Ann Arbor). The rest of this seems spot on. Everyone needs to give this pizza a try if they haven't. Most American's have had Domino's pan pizza at some point in their lives... that is a very loose approximation of Detroit style pan pizza, and the real thing is so much better. (Domino's is based in MI, for those that don't know.) ...now I want pizza.
Thank you for the full explanation. Yes high hydration dough can be hard to handle due to its stickiness. But, problem solved. Stretch in pan to rise. I started my dough, it's been in fridge cold fermentation. Tonight is the night for me to shine! Great dough is so rewarding. I will be making pepperoni, mushroom,, onion and double cheese pizza.
He went to buddys and did a video with them. ruclips.net/video/iY24pIHjT7s/видео.html the dough is 60 to 70% hydration. In that video Adam says they use olive oil the guy he's talking to never does though so he might be incorrect even though he went there and saw the operation.
when i make detroit style I like to cook just the bread first to the point of it becoming set, and then add toppings to make sure the bottom is well cooked before the cheese gets runny
So I'm wondering if you'd tried making chicago style thin crust.It's the biggest american pizza style I don't think you've talked about on your channel yet
This feels a bit strange after listening to the pod and Adam talking about our generation fearing fat and carbs. I’m glad Adam still cooks fun foods and doesn’t focus on only “fit” food recipes.
I would use a tip that you gave me that I use at my house! When I make the cast iron pizza that you have you put the dough in well it's already hot in the pan. I feel like you could accomplish this with this blue steel pan by preheating the pan in the oven pulling it putting it in and then putting it back in the oven. It would definitely crisp the bottom up
You gotta try St Louis Style Pizza. I really like it, and it generally has a very thin layer of sauce which you might appreciate. The Provel cheese is definitely an acquired taste though. Could also try out some other St Louis regional foods like Gooey Butter Cake or Toasted Raviolis.
I've had a few pizzas in my day, and Detroit style remains my favorite, followed somewhat closely by Colorado style. Perhaps I am a bit biased in saying that though, as I'm a Detroit native. For those who've not tried it, Buddy's is ludicrously good. I once offered to get my dad some pizza on the way to go see him one afternoon, and he initially turned it down, saying, "Nah, that's fine. I don't want any." to which I responded, "are you sure? I'm getting Buddy's." To which he said, "you're getting Buddy's?! Well, in that case..."
Found your channel a couple of days ago. Enjoyable and full of facts. I do what you do. Vinegar is on my agenda, next... after the breadmaking and the pizza and the bolognese and all that, but the difference is I don´t really know what I am doing... here you make me understand more about the processes, so thanx for an informative and entertaining channel!!!
I wonder if you could improve the crust browning by putting the pan on top of a heated pizza steel. In theory, the conduction into the on would be faster than the convection you get without the steel so you would have a hotter pan in the same temp oven. Or at least the pan would be that hot sooner and for longer
I made a detroit style pizza at the beginning of the pandemic and the lockdowns with stuff I had in the pantry. Instead of pepperoni and brick cheese I used hot links and shredded cheddar.
Suggest you place your pan on a preheated pizza stone or steel on bottom oven rack. Result a crisper darker bottom in the same time. Also lay out finished pizza on a wire rack to maintain crispness. A bit more cheese near pan edge for traditional burnt edge.
Recently I have made kind of focaccia pizza few times. I really like making Vito Iacopelli's no knead focaccia recipe, and I recently made it into pizza too by placign toppings 10 minutes in as I kinda wanted both bread and pizza. Instead of normal thin crust I usually make.
gotta put your pizza on the bottom near the heating element and maybe put the pppan on a baking steel. I make detroit style all the time and my crusts are always properly browned. I use 425 or 450 F for 20-25 min tho
If you remove the lock, you can heat your oven to ~940f or 500C using the cleaning mode. Just make sure your pan and rack can take tolerate such temperatures. Iron and steel starts to glow red when heated to over 900f ~460C
To combat the soggy bottom, I always put the pan on the burner for 2 min first, starting to heat the bottom in advance. Straight to the oven with oven mits after the initial heating, and the bottom will be darker when the cheese eventually breaks.
I found parbaking the dough before putting on the cheese and sauce halfway through the bake to be more consistent for getting good color on the bottom and less sog in the middle.
I have no problem getting crispy crust with two factors: 1) electric oven 2) bottom rack as close to the element as possible My oven goes to 525 for 10-15 mins and it browns the top and crisps the bottom perfectly.
You can get better browning on the bottom by putting the pan on a pizza stone that has been preheated with the oven. I had the same issues when I started making this, and the pizza stone resolved the issue without introducing new ones. I bake on the bottom rack to maximize crust browning, and swap to the broiler if extra color is needed on the top, though that is rare.
Lifelong Detroiter here. Adam I would make a few adjustments. First, I would measure that flour, that's pretty important to get the amount correct, just a tad off will change the tecture. 2nd, use a heavier amount of oil in the pan. I know you said "we don't want it too fried" to which I would say, "uhh...yeah you do, the more fried the better". Lastly a good trick is to put a pizza stone in the oven and let it come to temperature and put the pan on top of it. Thanks for the tip however on the sauce, I had always wondered what brand they use.
Might be able to get a crunchier crust if you cook the dough alone for 3-5 mins. I do this with personal pan pizza I make at home and it's def the key to that uber crunchy crust.
For metric lovers who want to try this: 110 square inch is not equal to 279 cm, it is equal to 709 square cm (279 cm is equal to 110 inches, but conversion in squared values doesn't work that way)
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I make this, but after removing it from the pan I set it on a baking steel that was also in the 550F oven and it really helps finish crisping that bottom while the top stays consistent
That's a good idea. Similar to my way of reheating leftover pizza. Microwave it a bit to heat it back up then throw it on a hot skillet for just a minute or so to crisp it back up so it's not all soggy. Works great
Great idea! Thanks for sharing.
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THATS AN OMORI REFERENCE because hero invented cooking
its also because in omori hero also removes pizza from a pan and then set on a baking steel in a 550f oven
If you bake with the pan on a pre-heated steel or stone, you will get a much darker bottom. Works a treat. No need to put the pizza directly on the steel post-bake, just put the pan itself on the steel.
Exactly what I was wondering.
Agreed. I used this technique many times and even for non blue steel pans works really well.
this is what brian lagerstrom did in his detroit pizza recipe. i was confused as to why adam's came out so pale until i realized he didn't do this
For people wondering about bottom of the pizza not being crispy enough… Treat it like a cast iron pan. You can totally take a peak at the bottom with an offset spatula and then put the pan on a burner.
I was about to suggest the same thing. To be honest though I think getting the square pan in of itself is only worth doing if you are really into the detroit pizza thing. You pretty much get all good advantages with a cast iron skillet and it goes on the burner easier. But then again by that point you're just making deep dish pizza.
I wonder if starting the pizza on a burner might be a viable solution to a doner crust.
@@Kowzorz That is one way of doing it and some recipes do it. It's a bit hard to judge the burner time that way so usually burner after is the better way to go. Some recipes actually call for pre-heating the skillet and I've done that before too but you can't leave the pizza to rise in the pan that way so I don't recommend it.
Hey Adam. My uncle just passed away from cancer last night, and I've barely been able to eat since. I watched this video the hour it came out and was so inspired to cook by it I got to work as I was watching it. As I'm eating the pizza now, I want to thank you for sharing your love of cooking. I'm sure I'm not the only one who your videos have inspired to keep moving, and live a healthier life
I'm sorry for your loss!
Wishing you peace as you grieve.
Good on you ! Stay strong, it’s never easy to lose someone you love.
Hear hear. Hang in there, buddy.
hope you get well.
My dad is from Detroit; he used to take me and my brother to Buddy’s as kids, and as a home cookingenthusiast has done loads of research on how to replicate it at home.
He swears by standard nonstick pans. The first time he made it at home, he special-ordered a blue steel pan, likely the same one/from the same source as the one in this video. He made enough dough for two pizzas so he made one in the blue steel pan and one in a normal nonstick pan of similar dimensions. I wasn’t there at the time but he said he had real issues with the blue steel pizza sticking, even when oiled, and if I remember correctly it didn’t brown as evenly either. The nonstick pizza came out flawlessly on the first attempt. They may be the “authentic” tool for the job, but do not be afraid to just use a run-of-the-mill rectangular nonstick pan from Wal-Mart like my dad does.
Did he season the pan first? That would probably fix the sticking issue. I also don’t particularly like the idea of nonstick in the oven on max temperatures.
The "authentic" tool only works well at much higher temperatures than a domestic oven can reach. At home you're better off using a thinner pan.
I’m from Detroit and use a cheap nonstick black aluminum pan from Walmart. It’s a perfect personal pizza size. I also don’t usually have a problem getting real nice browning.
I’ll change the temp/times based on toppings or how thick I go, but often ill cook em at 425 for 15-18min and I get a beautiful crust, the toppings get some caramelizing but the cheese doesn’t burn too much, and the pizza still rises just fine and got that nice lightness but with the chew.
@@Aikano9I use nonstick pans at 400-430 with no problem and they still work as nonstick. I’ve eaten at buddys and a lot of Detroit pizza spots and my pizzas come out about as close as you can get at home.
You’re at home, fuck super high heat we can’t replicate pizza spots. I use a THIN nonstick aluminum dark colored pan from Walmart it’s maybe 9” square, a perfect 4 slice personal pizza size.
I’ll cook my pizzas at 400-430 for 15-20 minutes. The temp and time all depends on how thick the pizza is, how oily the pan is, and how much toppings you put on it. More toppings = browner crust by the time the top is done and also more water on top, so I’ll go closer to 400 and cook longer, maybe even use the broiler at the end to evaporate the water and brown the top. More oil on the pan means better browning, but like Adam said too much isn’t good.
This actually reminds me of my first attempt, I highly recommend trying putting the pan on a cast iron or pizza steel with oven set at 550 for 14-16 minutes depending on oven characteristics. the pizza steel or iron pan makes a world of difference in getting that crust to perfection. also i just want to say thank you for spreading the word of our beloved pizza style.
The only problem with that though is the transferring of the dough to that pan which you initially proofed to form in that pan. I guess you could buy 2 pans.
@@garytman007the pan with the pizza in it goes on top of the stone or upside down cast iron skillet preheated . Heat transfers faster into the pizza
I still want to cry every time I see someone giving Detroit style some love. I remember growing up going to Buddy’s before Detroit style began making a name for itself outside of the metro-Detroit area. Thank you so much for dedicating two videos to the topic!
The image of Adam sitting in the bathtub with an elf hat was probably my favorite sponsor transition from this channel.
The biggest gain I got with my Detroit style at home was shifting form a rectangular pan to a smaller square one (with as thin walls as I could find, I believe mine was specifically made for Detroit style pizzas but it's been a while and can't recall specifically). Which, sure, I'm getting a smaller overall yield that way, but really what makes Detroit style pop for me is that amazing browned cheese crust. A smaller square pan gives me more of that good stuff per-piece.
I have an even better hack that’ll help you- Par bake just the dough for a few minutes BEFORE you top it. This causes the entire pizza to shrink in the pan just a touch, allowing for 1/8” gap around the edges for more cheese to fall between the pan and the edge of the crust. This also gives the crust more oven time than the toppings, so you don’t have to worry about the toppings being over baked before the crust is ready.
@@adamthompson8140 oh hell yes, this is good
@@adamthompson8140 Yes Adam! I agree! If your crust is thick then you should par bake crust before adding toppings. I brush melted real butter adding herbs that I love to the crust. Bake at 425°F for 5 to 8 min, or until dough looks half baked. Add toppings starting with sauce. Bake on 2nd shelf from bottom element at 450°F, 8 minutes or until bottom is brown. Then ENJOY!!
Still live in Detroit, and I work 5 minutes away from a Buddy’s Pizza. Got to say, for a homemade pizza, this is pretty close to the authentic pizza here. Keep up the good work
A good trick to getting extra crisp crust when you’re baking a pan pizza is after it has baked, release it from the pan, then drop it onto a preheated pizza steel or baking stone if you have one, or directly onto the bottom rack if you don’t. It’ll crisp up that bottom more, which is critical for these thicker crust pizzas in my opinion.
When baking my Detroit style, I cover the pan with a sheet pan for quite a lot of the baking time to keep the cheese from getting too cooked. Take the pan off for the last 5-10 minutes to let it brown and get those great crispy edges.
I’m very blessed to be living in the detroit metro area and have been raised in detroit style pizza, and I’m absolutely filled with joy to see the love for it on this channel lately!
First of all, you're the man, love your content. FWIW, I've been doing Detroit style at home with the limitation of a 500º oven for a few years and I've found that a 2-3 minute par-bake of the crust prior to topping gets me where I want to be. I'd also echo what's already been said about using a cooling rack. Thanks for the great work!!
Greetings from Finland! 🤠🇫🇮 My boyfriend and I have cracked the cheese overcooking problem by just simply adding the cheese a bit later on the pizza while the crust has had a bit of oven time on its own first.
We do it like this:
1) Do the thing. By "thing" i mean literally everything that is involved in making pizza. The dough, the dough spreading, the toppings. Preheating the oven etc. Everything but the cheese!
2) When you're done with everything else and the pizza is ready to bake, toppings and all, put the pizza in the oven without any cheese at first. We use 300° Celcius, which is the maximum we get here. And as a bonus tip, we don't use a pizza stone, but we simply leave our baking sheet in the oven while the oven is preheating! When the oven is ready, the sheet will be smoking hot and by baking our pizza on the pre-heated baking sheet we can assure that the crust will be super crispy! It's a bit of a hassle to take the hot sheet out of the oven and put the pizza on top of it, but that we have solved by rolling up the pizza dough directly on a parchment paper. The parchment is really easy to lift on the hot baking sheet without burning yourself. It's generally a two person job, but i've managed to do it alone aswell. You just need to be super fast and confident in your movements, lol.
3) Let the pizza bake until it's nearly done! For us it's usually about 12 minutes. The cheese really needs only a couple of minutes to melt to be just right for us! I like it a bit stretchy and soft. When the crust looks like it's nearly there, you just pop the pizza out from the oven for a moment, quickly toss the cheese on there, and then you bake it for the remaining few minutes!
When the baking sheet is pre heated as well it doesn't do any damage to just take the pizza out for a moment to add the cheese. It's going to continue cooking on that hot sheet - a bit slower for a moment yes, but that doesn't really matter.
And you could totally modify this if you like the cheese to brown a bit. Just let the pizza pre bake a bit less time, and add the cheese a bit earlier to give it enough time to melt and brown - but not separate or overcook!
Result: Crispy bottom and crust, and the cheese exactly how you like it. I hope this technique helps someone to make some awesome pizza! 🍕🍕🍕
Unrelated but your English is fantastic! Finland is a beautiful place
This is like word for word exactly what I have been doing past few years, paper carrying and all haha. I totally agree, this method really works for me too and I love it, cheers!
Doesn't really work with this style of pizza as the cheese is under the sauce, buf for other pizzas it's a good tip.
@@flo1921 Couldn't you just put the sauce on after as well?
I do this for frozen pizzas since they never have enough cheese for me. Cook it until it's about 5 minutes from done, then throw a bunch of extra cheese on it and cook for that final 5 minutes.
Used to live in metro Detroit and I think it’s incredible how well you replicated Buddys pizza. Already miss my bread-loaf pizza
Don't forget their rolls and minestrone
this is nothing like buddys lol
When I make sheet pan pizza at home I put the pan on the lower most rack right above the element, and that usually helps with browning the bottom without the cheese squeezing out its oil and breaking.
One thing I find that helps browning with detroit style pizza for me is the use of shortening on the pan vs olive oil. It makes a crispier crust when it fries on the bottom and also helps the dough stay in place when it ferments/stretches to fit the pan.
Also finishing the pie on the hot stone at the end keeps the crust crisper and helps negate the home oven's weakness compared to a deck oven. I use Detroit blue steel pans and never have had a pizza come out as light as this one, even without above said tweeks so it could come down to just the power of one's home oven.
Great video! I just noticed a little error in your conversion of the pan size. 110 square inches is not 279 square centimeters. This is just the conversion of the length 110 inches. If you convert the area, the conversion factor must be squared as well. (you could also google it) After some "complicated calculations" (aka just googling it), 110 square inches come out to 709.676 cm^2.
@@-_-j 700cm^2 is 0.07m^2, the conversion is squared too so it's 100x100= 10000 times less.
279 square centimeters is about the size of a post card!
I've been waiting for this!!! Then again, tbh, metro Detroit generally orders at Jets, they put the sauce underneath the cheese and toppings. Wildly good.
Born raised and residing in Detroit, I can just order it, but I love seeing the representation!!❤
Jets is absolutely the easy version here; like 85% as good as Buddy's, plus it's a national chain!
Little Caesar's technically also has a Detroit-Style, but I would say thats more like 60% as good as Buddy's
Yeah, I'll gladly do Jet's or Sammy's over Buddy's when home but, neither are really well distributed nationally.
As someone who lives about 45 minutes from Buddy's Pizza, the main thing I think you should change with this is the pepperoni. Buddy's uses natural casing pepperoni that curls into little cups when in the oven.
Oh! So that's what Sorrento's does different than most of the chains. Their pepperoni does the same thing, but I never knew why.
Man, I really disliked that when I saw it at my local pizza joint. It just ended up trapping a ton of grease in each little pepperoni "cup". I don't know if there are different ways of doing it or if it's just a style I don't like.
@@Tinil0 The big advantage from them curling up like that is that they get really crispy. And I've never minded grease on my pizza, it's a part of the experience, though you can sub out the cheese to help mitigate it. For all the criticism they get, Little Caesar's uses a mix of mozzarella and Munster cheese with serves the double purpose of reducing the grease and making the cheese break easier in the mouth, so you're less likely to get a five foot long string of cheese every time you try taking a bite.
@@Great_Olaf5 Practical. I've always dislike the cheese porn that people tend to associate with the want of cheesy food. I just want to eat my food, not play with it.
@@Tinil0 Do what I do; dip a paper towel in there and get the excess fat off! All the crisp, cuts back on fat content
I put the cheese cubes in the freezer about a hour before baking so you can have more time for the crust to brown before the cheese breaks
Thanks for the upload Adam.
I made a Detroit pizza after your first video in this series when you went to Buddy's. Life changing, thank you!!
To help browning, I bake the pizza without cheese and add it later. However I also prefer using fresh Mozarella, which you do not want to get chewey, so that's really only about 5 minutes max at full blast. I also like to add semola to the greased pan, so you get that crunchy oily texture at the bottom.
So thrilled to see a Detroit style pizza episode! What I have found is that using larger cheese chunks it takes longer for the cheese to melt and allows for way more crisping. Also, I use way more cheese around my edges as I like the sides fried in cheese oil.
Exactly what I do! And what Chef John does too, apparently.
I've largely made my own for a while, though I've found that the Great value (Walmart) brand original pizza crust they sell is a good option if you don't have the time to deal with making your own crust. I'm not entirely sure about the actual size of the pans that I've used, but one of them fills the smaller and two fills the larger, though with each there's a little bit of working it to expand.
The one major thing that I've discovered as a major thing is that for this style pizza, you really need to use something that would be greasy for a "topping" pepperoni and sausage are good options, but a lot of others don't. The main reason is that with the thicker crust, you want the grease to work its way into the crust as you cook and add more flavor to it.
I've also found that if you aren't using the steel options, parchment is helpful for getting the pizza out of the pan, but you still need to oil it to get the best results there.
I'm going to need to try freezing the cheese though, mine tended to get quite dark on me as I cooked it, but I also tended to blend in other cheese...the local Krogers actually, occasionally, has Brick Cheese, but I mix it with LM Mozzerella and Provolone...and the cheese area of the Kroger can actually have it fully prepped if you want.
That Widmer's brick cheese It's not only one of our standard deli staples where I work, but I only live an hour and a half from the factory itself. (So much more compact than you might be imagining.) I think this is the first time one of your obscure ingredients has been one of my local favorites.
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This actually looks really good! One thing I noticed them do at Buddy's was also sprinkle the sauce around after making the racing stripes. I guess to give you little pockets of sauce elsewhere.
lived here my whole life. michigan is such a. beautiful state ❤️
I find it funny how few people know about the ice cube tray trick. It comes in handy for so many things, especially freezing that end of season pesto you just know you’re gonna crave during the long winter months!
8:08 Adam: Maybe set the pan atop your pizza steel? Giant thermal sink to accelerate the transmission of heat into the steel pan.
Lots of great suggestions here for getting a darker crust in a home oven. I prefer Chef John's trick of starting off on the range and then moving to an oven. I have a long middle burner meant for a griddle that I use, moving the pan often to get even heating and transferring to the oven after 2-3 minutes (if you hear the crust start to sizzle and fry in the oil, then it's ready for the oven). This gives the crust a good head start. Also, an overnight proof in the refrigerator really improves the taste of the dough, but I usually don't think that far in advance.
Watching this video and the one where you actually visited Buddy's makes me feel so lucky to live within a short drive from a Buddy's location. It's great seeing a place I actually go to and enjoy in your videos.
Love Detroit style pizza. Such a fantastic style to make it home. I made one recently from my sourdough starter and it was awesome. Of course I don't have one of those blue steel pans. I use the Wilton from Walmart which actually worked perfectly for me since I don't like mine to get too dark. I like it nice and golden.
On that subject, if you want your crust to get a little darker, once you take it out, turn one of the stove burners on and move the pan around on top of it for a bit. That will crisp and darken things up nicely.
I have a deeper pan than what you’re using, and basically just did the Chef John version, it’s always turned out well. Always glad to see the Detroit method of pizza making spread further. I’m from WI, and as far as I’m concerned, there is a place for NY, Chicago and Detroit style pizzas, they’re all great. If you’re eating any of them you’re having a good day.
Hey Adam great video!
I bake my pizza in a Lloyd pan and put in right onto my pizza steel. That extra heat from the pizza steel really helps get the bottom crust browned. Keep up the great work!
and much love to you! narration is ace in this vid. proper speed, no unnecessary bla bla and just the right amount of humor! great work
after your last Detroit pizza i made my own at home , used: lm mozarella and gouda, big salami sliced in half (they were covering the whole bottom), my usual pizza dough, and for souse just blended jarred tomatoes
and it was great and unusually solty at the bottom in a good way
Detroit-style pizza always spreads happiness deep inside me!
You sir are my favorite chef of all time. You prioritize science and results over tradition and I highly appreciate that.
Tradition is literally the survival of the fittest. I don't like the subtext you're spewing here. If anything, science proves grandma was more right than you think a lot of the time
try putting the pizza on the lowest or second lowest rack in the oven (if your oven has a heating coil on the bottom). I don't have a pizza steel or stone and kept having issues with my cast iron / sheet pan pizzas having an undercooked crust & overcooked cheese. I used to start/finish the pan on the stovetop but it was a bit finicky, I've found just keeping the pizza pan close to the heating coil in my oven does the trick & gets me more consistent results easily
Until recently I hadn’t even heard of Detroit style pizza. Now all of a sudden every food RUclipsr is making it.
It's because, despite what Jon Stewart says, chicago and detroit style are both better than New York style, no cap.
hopefully you get to try some yourself! Michigan has some amazing pizza and I'm glad people are hearing about it
@@greed0599 Meh. I've had them all. Nothing beats a good neapolitan.
@@HackFraudWizard I've made pan pizza before in my cast iron, which is similar, though admittedly not exactly the same.
i have no idea what happened either but it’s just the superior to chicago style deep dish. i live in metro detroit so i’ve been hip to it, but i swear some cooking guy came to detroit and had a ratatouille moment so he had to spread the gospel
Adam, for my pizzas I use a pizza stone in my grill, with a rack on top. If you crank up the burners it’ll get to the 700f+ you need for Detroit or NY style
Adam, I just want to thank you for teaching us so much about the various ways of making pizza. My go to is the cast iron skillet pizza with that crispy caramelized tomato sauce up the sides.
I recently discovered a new way to make my pizza sauce though: watered down tomato paste! It's cheap, easy, and has a developed flavour profile with tonnes of umami from the drying process.
Adam... Took the family to Buddy's last week while we were visiting for the holiday... Thanks to you!
On vacation at lake Constance in Germany I had something similarly pillowy but based on alsatian flammkuchen. It was delicious. I generally highly recommend you look into the french german "pizza equivalent" of flammkuchen.
I'm curious if you meant Flammkuchen from Elsass, which is a region at the French German border.
Costco also sells some decent detroit style frozen pizzas for those who want to see what it's like but don't have a good pan for it.
LET'S DO IT! I bought the pan in anticipation of this video. I got people over here waiting for this.
So I can't get brick cheese, but the mixture of cheddar (you want the mild cheddar UK people, not the potent mature stuff) and mozzarella does work.
Detroit Style is THE BEST! I grew up 3 miles north of the original Buddy's and a mile south of Loui's (who was one of the original cooks at Buddy's). Loui's is my personal favorite, but you can't go wrong with a DSP. Usually, the best ones spoon heated sauce on the pie after it's done cooking. Give that a try. May make a difference, may not. Thanks for the video!
luckily here in minnesota you can find the whiter brick a bit easier, kowalskis carries one of their own brand that isn’t to expensive
I've lived in Michigan all my life and I never knew that there was a style of Pizza called Detroit style. I even ate Jet's pizza which is mainly Detroit style without knowing it. Anyways I really do like this style of pizza because I grew up on it.
You could cook it on top of your stone or steel to get it nicer on the bottom
Tried that, didn’t help.
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Widmer's brick is awesome. I'm just a few minutes from there. Used to be there was an even closer cheese house that made brick, Bon Bree in Mapleton WI. Widmer's is about as close as you'll ever get to that. Thanks for the content Adam! I DO love pizza!
Few things:
Neither Buddy's or Jet's use olive oil for the pan. Best as I could ever tell, Buddy's used corn oil, and Jet's uses a butter flavored oil.
The hydration percentage of Jet's dough is like above 70%, and I'm pretty sure that Buddy's is near that too. It's an awful sticky mess at that high of hydration, but it's worth it.
Both places will actually raise the dough in the pan, for most of the day. They make big batches in the morning and just rack up pans (they have hundreds, of course) on roller caddies and take them out as they need them.
Detroit-style pizza has been my kryptonite since before I even knew what it was called or from where it hailed. It wasn't until I went to graduate school in the mitten that I learned the full story. Buddy's is great, but I was more of a Jet's guy at the end of the day (maybe that's just because we didn't have a buddy's in Ann Arbor).
The rest of this seems spot on. Everyone needs to give this pizza a try if they haven't. Most American's have had Domino's pan pizza at some point in their lives... that is a very loose approximation of Detroit style pan pizza, and the real thing is so much better. (Domino's is based in MI, for those that don't know.)
...now I want pizza.
Thank you for the full explanation. Yes high hydration dough can be hard to handle due to its stickiness. But, problem solved. Stretch in pan to rise. I started my dough, it's been in fridge cold fermentation. Tonight is the night for me to shine! Great dough is so rewarding. I will be making pepperoni, mushroom,, onion and double cheese pizza.
He went to buddys and did a video with them. ruclips.net/video/iY24pIHjT7s/видео.html the dough is 60 to 70% hydration. In that video Adam says they use olive oil the guy he's talking to never does though so he might be incorrect even though he went there and saw the operation.
Big thanks for putting ingredients in the description unlike FAR TOO MANY cooking channels.
I like how the ads have just turned into borderline smut 😆
when i make detroit style I like to cook just the bread first to the point of it becoming set, and then add toppings to make sure the bottom is well cooked before the cheese gets runny
me being a michigander it hurts when people say detroit incorrectly AND HOW THEY DONT CRISP THE EDGES MORE
The Widmers are friends of ours, thank you for pointing out the great cheese they make! I hope you've tried a simple grilled cheese.
So I'm wondering if you'd tried making chicago style thin crust.It's the biggest american pizza style I don't think you've talked about on your channel yet
Isn't Chicago deep dish way bigger? It weighs like 5 pounds per pie
st. louis style as well
@@ExpandDong420 I meant in terms of popularity
@Anonymous Kaiju I know, I was just trying to make a joke and it didn't really work
Thanks Adam. I miss Buddys and appreciate this.
This feels a bit strange after listening to the pod and Adam talking about our generation fearing fat and carbs. I’m glad Adam still cooks fun foods and doesn’t focus on only “fit” food recipes.
What about par-baking the crust for a bit before adding the toppings so you get more browning without splitting the cheese?
As a Detroiter, can confirm this is legit ✅
Video has been out for 1 minute brother, so how would you know?
This is not pizza
@@d_shi bro just wants likes
@@d_shi cause I'm from Detroit born & raised, plus I can tell someone like Adam isn't gonna make something that isn't authentic 😁
@@richm23k so you're just lying, got it
I would use a tip that you gave me that I use at my house! When I make the cast iron pizza that you have you put the dough in well it's already hot in the pan. I feel like you could accomplish this with this blue steel pan by preheating the pan in the oven pulling it putting it in and then putting it back in the oven. It would definitely crisp the bottom up
You gotta try St Louis Style Pizza. I really like it, and it generally has a very thin layer of sauce which you might appreciate. The Provel cheese is definitely an acquired taste though. Could also try out some other St Louis regional foods like Gooey Butter Cake or Toasted Raviolis.
As a Detroiter, this video makes me feel proud. Well done Adam.
You cant have a pizza in detroit, this one's fake
I've had a few pizzas in my day, and Detroit style remains my favorite, followed somewhat closely by Colorado style. Perhaps I am a bit biased in saying that though, as I'm a Detroit native. For those who've not tried it, Buddy's is ludicrously good. I once offered to get my dad some pizza on the way to go see him one afternoon, and he initially turned it down, saying, "Nah, that's fine. I don't want any." to which I responded, "are you sure? I'm getting Buddy's." To which he said, "you're getting Buddy's?! Well, in that case..."
I live in the lap of luxury. Got Buddy's, Shields and Green Latern by me.
Very few people would pass on any of those pizzas.
That's a not a pizza!
Found your channel a couple of days ago. Enjoyable and full of facts. I do what you do. Vinegar is on my agenda, next... after the breadmaking and the pizza and the bolognese and all that, but the difference is I don´t really know what I am doing... here you make me understand more about the processes, so thanx for an informative and entertaining channel!!!
Oh, so Detroit pizza is just middle school cafeteria lunch pizza.
Adam I found that convection tended to cook my cheese too fast. I recommend the conventional setting.
You can always put it on on the hob for a couple of minutes to further crisp up the base
I wonder if you could improve the crust browning by putting the pan on top of a heated pizza steel. In theory, the conduction into the on would be faster than the convection you get without the steel so you would have a hotter pan in the same temp oven. Or at least the pan would be that hot sooner and for longer
This is great! Trying it this weekend. We live an hour away from buddy's so we don't go get it often, it will be great to be able to make at home.
I made a detroit style pizza at the beginning of the pandemic and the lockdowns with stuff I had in the pantry. Instead of pepperoni and brick cheese I used hot links and shredded cheddar.
Suggest you place your pan on a preheated pizza stone or steel on bottom oven rack. Result a crisper darker bottom in the same time. Also lay out finished pizza on a wire rack to maintain crispness. A bit more cheese near pan edge for traditional burnt edge.
That recipe almost feels like pizza toppings on a focaccia base, and now that's something I'll have to try for myself.
love that you show us how to do this in a home oven, something everyone has :D thanks adam
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If you want the bottom to brown more before the cheese burns, turn off convection. You want more concentrated heat on the bottom, and less on top.
You can get better browning by placing the tray on the oven floor for a couple of minutes and then moving it to the middle
Recently I have made kind of focaccia pizza few times. I really like making Vito Iacopelli's no knead focaccia recipe, and I recently made it into pizza too by placign toppings 10 minutes in as I kinda wanted both bread and pizza. Instead of normal thin crust I usually make.
gotta put your pizza on the bottom near the heating element and maybe put the pppan on a baking steel. I make detroit style all the time and my crusts are always properly browned. I use 425 or 450 F for 20-25 min tho
If you remove the lock, you can heat your oven to ~940f or 500C using the cleaning mode. Just make sure your pan and rack can take tolerate such temperatures. Iron and steel starts to glow red when heated to over 900f ~460C
To combat the soggy bottom, I always put the pan on the burner for 2 min first, starting to heat the bottom in advance. Straight to the oven with oven mits after the initial heating, and the bottom will be darker when the cheese eventually breaks.
About time Adam made a follow-up video to his Detroit Industrial Blue Steel Pan video from 3 weeks ago
The Saga continues...
I like it!
I found parbaking the dough before putting on the cheese and sauce halfway through the bake to be more consistent for getting good color on the bottom and less sog in the middle.
I have no problem getting crispy crust with two factors:
1) electric oven
2) bottom rack as close to the element as possible
My oven goes to 525 for 10-15 mins and it browns the top and crisps the bottom perfectly.
You can get better browning on the bottom by putting the pan on a pizza stone that has been preheated with the oven. I had the same issues when I started making this, and the pizza stone resolved the issue without introducing new ones. I bake on the bottom rack to maximize crust browning, and swap to the broiler if extra color is needed on the top, though that is rare.
Lifelong Detroiter here. Adam I would make a few adjustments. First, I would measure that flour, that's pretty important to get the amount correct, just a tad off will change the tecture. 2nd, use a heavier amount of oil in the pan. I know you said "we don't want it too fried" to which I would say, "uhh...yeah you do, the more fried the better". Lastly a good trick is to put a pizza stone in the oven and let it come to temperature and put the pan on top of it. Thanks for the tip however on the sauce, I had always wondered what brand they use.
Might be able to get a crunchier crust if you cook the dough alone for 3-5 mins. I do this with personal pan pizza I make at home and it's def the key to that uber crunchy crust.
For a little more browning you should hit it with broiler for a few minutes at the end of the bake.
For metric lovers who want to try this: 110 square inch is not equal to 279 cm, it is equal to 709 square cm (279 cm is equal to 110 inches, but conversion in squared values doesn't work that way)