As someone said in a comment before: “Basically went from a tyrannical king that made unreasonable demands, to a goody two shoes that gave into other’s bad habits, to now a good king that pushes his team to be the best”. Which sums up Kageyama’s arc perfectly.
I always call this as Kageyama being the "golden mean"--not too much of either side, but just enough of both. He also, in my opinion, is the "golden mean" of the setting philosophies, taking a bit from Oikawa and a bit from Atsumu, but making his own third category that is unique to him.
Kageyama’s “make the damn point”… it gets the point cross I guess, but it’s not a 100% correct translation either. He is still using polite grammar like he always does with seniors, it’s more about the tone and phrasing. Something like “well then, would you please score?!”. Kageyama never really addresses his seniors impolitely. When you said that being competitive is really hard to teach, it made me appreciate Kageyama’s and Hinata’s competitiveness even more; it’s already this great, but it gets SO much better as the story goes on, I’m sure you’ll see it too. Also, just have to admire the way Furudate (the author) handled the whole king thing. Almost everyone expected something from S1 here, where Karasuno helped Kageyama strip the King off, but instead they reclaimed the title for him and turned it into something to wear proudly. Really great writing.
Even though it's not 100% accurate to the Japanese I honestly think it works better that way. The point in making it sound so disrespectful is because it's supposed to come off as rude even to an audience that doesn't understand the context of asian cultures like giving orders to your seniors. If the translation was 100% accurate then most people would have the same reaction that coach had when Kageyama yelled at Nishinoya: "Wait, what's going on? Why is everyone reacting like that? Why is he so angry? What's the big deal with him saying that?"
Quick note: Kogane wasn't deliberately setting higher, he's just really new at setting so his sets tend to drift too high. It was a problem during the Date Tech vs. Seijoh match too lol
Yeah. He was new and him being tall is the main reason why it's so high although the only problem of his tossing was for Seijoh and that 1 time he didn't sync with Futakuchi.
I was really waiting for this episode, because it just explains the whole goody two shoes bit. It's beasically just the reference to Kageyama compensating for his teammates' bad habits. This episode is just too good, and also very special for me. It's the episode where I caught up to the anime and started reading the manga, and it was amazing. In a couple of weeks I caught up to the manga as well and than followed it weekly, along with the anime, until it was over. I miss Haikyuu, the manga is just so good
@@ElevateYourselfOfficial the manga was a big surprise for me. I was reluctant, as I didn't think it could capture the dynamic of the game like the anime does, but it actually did it so well it's unvbelievable
@@ElevateYourselfOfficial That'd be awesome, as good as the illustrations from the anime are, the manga is leagues above, I'm sure you'll really love it as volleybal player and artist.
@@ElevateYourselfOfficial please please please react to the manga. There is so much amazing development that probably won’t be animated for at least a year or 2. As soon as you start reading I’m sure you won’t be able to stop
@@coryng9139 well, he's saying once he kinda gets better at it it'll work super well for taller players. I can't remember if it was explicitly done that way tho
Kogane is a new player, so his coach told him to set high, because that's easier for hitters to work with. It's not necessarily a "bad habit" (yet), hes just compensating for his lack of experience and skill at this point. Also, he is much taller.
@@coryng9139 Koganegawa was actually directed to set from one high point to another, essentially putting the ball in place. That’s what we see in their match against Seijoh. Koganegawa’s sets flying too high seems to be more of a technical flub than something that he’s been taught to do or has built a real habit out of doing.
Just to clarify coach; Suga explained later why Tanaka got so angry when Kageyama "disrespected" Nishinoya. Tanaka is the type of person that doesn't really get offended easily, but if you disrespect his friends or family then he gets super pissed off. I'm kinda like this as well. Hope you have a happy new year coach Donny. With all the dumb stuff going on in the world, thank you for making a 2021 a bit more bearable!!
@@SolarSkyline mentally and emotionally are two diff thinkings its like how to say.. thinking versus expressing. hinata is more emotionally developed in that he understands and expresses emotions better compared to his fellow teammates. he might not be able to explain it as articulately but the whole point is that he understands and expresses them better and he gets the point across in his own way
Watching this episode gave a better understanding on how Hinata / Kageyama relationship works. The episode also reminds me of one episode in second season when they fought after they came back from the first Tokyo training. The part where Hinata was telling Yacchi that to him Kageyama, despite his attitude and words, is not just a friend, but a partner. It really breaks my heart seeing the tears as he paddled away. And fast forward a few months later, Hinata was able to explain to Kageyama that however hurtful his behaviours would be, he (Hinata) would just ignores it if he can't take it.
One thing that really sets Haikyuu appart from other animes is that, even though almosst all shonen anime, , and this goes especially for sports anime, have this progression of showing the individual development and the team development, but they are kind of separated. Haikyuu kind of shows how the individual development of each player changes the dynamics of the team and hoe communication is essential in order to readjust to these changes
When Takeda sensei was talking about how the third years are thankful and appreciative of the first years joining the team and how it might be the same for Kageyama, he was referring to how Kageyama is probably very appreciative of his upperclassmen because they’ve been so patient with him and have aided in his self reflection and are helping guide him into the person he wants to be. They don’t buckle down on him and make him feel bad when he reverts into his past ways but rather speak to him calmly and remain approachable. They understand that he’s not good with certain things on an emotionally intellectual level and doesn’t have the best communication skills and don’t fault him for it but still try to help him correct it.
Yeah! And as much as i love my petty queen Oikawa... he's a bad upperclassman to Kageyama (maybe not to his current team) because of his insecurities and self-proclaimed rivalry with Kags. Since Oikawa is immature himself, I can't really see him guiding Kags emotionally. Maybe Iwa-chan will
Jake Ramos exactly! Iwa did a better job with Kageyama than Kawa but even then he could only do so much. Ik they were all just kids, so I don’t blame them for the things they couldn’t do or understand but Kawa definitely could’ve handled his personal issues with Kags a lot better than he did. But again he was also just a child himself and their coaches should’ve been more on top of everything than they were because they, as adults, could’ve prevented that situation from going as south as it did imo. It wasn’t just up to his upperclassmen to help guide him but his coaches as well, and especially more so the coaches than his teammates in all honesty given their ages at the time. I’m just glad Kags is finally somewhere where people want him to grow emotionally and are willing to put in the work to help him achieve that and overcome his past trauma, as well as heal from it. It’s one thing to want someone to change for the better and it’s another to have patience and put in the time and effort it takes to help see and achieve that change. His previous team definitely wanted him to change but since they were all kids themselves and dealing with the situation basically on their own, they didn’t know how to help him. As children themselves, they didn’t have the necessary tools to properly help him nor the responsibility and obligation to help him find that resolve. It was a major L for the coaching staff imo because they should’ve handled that whole situation so much better than they did smh.
@@niariella03 yeah but don't forget that only a few months passed since the match of Kitagawa. They sur were young but they still are, it's just that Kindaichi and Kunimi were really bad teammates in the first place, never putting efforts when they should have (they are lazy and full of themselves for the most). Yeah coaches could have handled that, but before that Kunimi and Kindaichi could have tried to talk to Kageyama, understand him, and even Oikawa could have behave better. Youth isn't an excuse for everything, still today Oikawa would be an awful senpai to Kageyama if he went to Seijo, while Suga immediately treated him as his kouhai even though he lost his place among the regulars. Kageyama has psychological issues due to his loneliness, and it was up to the others to try to help him, and they never did, and treated him badly and cruelly instead. So no wonder Kageyama only felt worst after.
Maoui mais non I agree! I’m not saying youth is an excuse for everything and and they definitely could have done better by him hands down, but how are you gonna help someone through something if you’ve never been given the tools to do so in the first place ya know. I get that they were lazy but the coaches know their players and their drives, so they should’ve stepped in and helped them navigate the situation and communicate better to help everyone get on one accord because they all had different expectations of one another. And yeah as much a I love Kawa he’s shit at being a dependable upperclassman for sure. I’m glad Kags has better influences now and people that genuinely care for him.
@@Nunelii Although moving away from the main topic, I have to say, I can't really see Kindaichi and Kunimi as bad teammates or lazy. Just like how Oikawa has seen, they just work hard differently. They were shown repeatedly trying to talk to Kageyama about how they want to play, but were always replied with ferocity. Imo, they were justified in how they reacted. Even Karasuno agreed. In S1, Daichi would never let Kageyama play as official setter so egotistically. And even in this episode, Kags realized that every player is unique and have their own play style. HInata says "if I don't like what Kageyama is saying or how he talks, I just ignore him"; exactly how Kitagawa Daichi reacted. The timing is different since Kitagawa Daichi's last straw with Kageyama was during an official match, while Karasuno addressed it during a practice one. Also, as a sign of maturity, even though only a few months has passed, in S4 training camp, Kindaichi was wondering if he could have communicated with Kageyama differently and if would have made their Kitagawa Daichi team better. But even then, Hinata, with his high emotional intelligence, didn't say Kindaichi was wrong. It is normal to fight. Especially if the other person is being an ass.
@@ジャン-j9h probably also why he's able to bring up ppl so easily and he knows it from experience too (as in like being able to deal with setbacks and 'failures' since he's been there over and over again)
The thing with Kageyama is not that he has to deal with all the things a setter has to do but he is also, as you can see, really bad with words and comminication in general so it's extra difficult for him haha.
I think it’s more that he’s a little different than that he’s bad at it. Think about nekoma’s setter or the captain from the twins’ team. Once he has more experience translating his observations and calculations, kageyama (if this were a real person developing) would be the ideal personality for a setter. A setter who stays cool and objective is unpredictable and dangerous.
@@bearinabag2448 I mean yeah I guess. But the fact that Kageyama is like... very socially akward is still true, even more than Kenma. We know he learns in the future when it comes to Volleyball but I'm talking about him being really bad at social interactions in genetal when it comes to the norm. And that's something that...*manga spoilers* ...he is still bad at even as an adult.
@@LixienXIII well tbh he is not exactly bad communicator as an adult, he is different, I am neurodivergent and I can relate to Kageyama A LOT in terms of communication, just that I don't care much (like Kenma) IMO it's not fair to say that he's really bad at social interactions, he's only really "bad" when he communicate with people who don't talk his "language", for example Hinata is someone who can basically understand your communication style no matter what it is (he's just emotionally a genius like that) but there are people like Kageyama who just has a different communication style and being extremely confused about social cues and stuff, it's like everyone speaks a different language than you and no one wants to teach you anything because "you should have known" this instills a lot of trauma for people like Kageyama. so usually people like us are forced to learn another language just so we can be understood, it's unnatural for us but we have to. and that's what's great about Karasuno, they don't want to change Kageyama, they let him be himself and try to meet Kageyama halfway (being direct and showing each of their own preference). also this makes me appreciate Hinata more, let's just say he's multilingual here lol it's really amazing to have someone like Hinata for us who are born different, notice that Kageyama communicates naturally with Hinata (sometimes non verbal)
What I liked about the conflict with Kageyama in this episode was that it wasn't just his fault. He wasn't communicating well, but his teammates also never communicated to him that they were working on new techniques and such rather than playing the game seriously. Kageyama was getting so frustrated because it suddenly seemed like the others just weren't playing their hardest, when the reality was that he simply didn't realize what they were trying to accomplish.
I think apart from Hinata and to a certain point, Tsukishima, the rest of the team just don't actually know how to express themselves to Kageyama, as reflected by Coach Ukai.
Kageyama saying "So you can fly" to Tsukishima is actually interesting in japanese, since "fly" and "jump" are the same verb in the language. They just are used in different contexts. It also has a cool parallel with the bird analogies in Haikyuu, since everytime they jump, they also fly.
18:57 So about Tanaka, this was a very important trait that’s mentioned!! He is VERY receptive to criticism when it involves himself, but when his teammates are addressed impolitely then that’s what he gets upset over. This explains what happened at 9:20 when Tanaka gets irritated by Kageyama.
so idk if anyone has said this but the reason why kageyama even noticed what nishinoya did in terms of getting in the way was becuase of somethi9ng he saw in the national training camp there one the liberos (the one who was friends with the germaphobe) he received the ball and got out of the way for the approach from the back middle so kageyama saw that awareness and he knows how good nishinoya is so he is placing those expectations on nishinoya too.
What teacher Takeda meant at 34:58 is that Karasuno's first years (Kageyama, Hinata, Tsuki and Yamaguchi) are usually praised for Karasuno's evolution but that it wouldn't have been possible without such great seniors that are willing to listen to them and that are so understanding.
Kageyamas arc and this episode in particular are very special to me. It's not something stated in the series, but kageyamas troubles communicating, like not understanding others or struggling with tone even though hes just being honest, are really really relatable to me as a person with autism, and its incredible to see a represention of how it IS possible to communicate and work together with people regardless of said struggles, in which many people see themselves in
I think this all arc with kageyama really explores the nature and importance of communication. Ever since the incident with his past teammates, kageyama, afraid of hurting others again, has been kinda of loosing his voice has a setter. Until now his mindset has been: ok, i'll just do anything my spikers ask of me, no questions asked, no disagreements shared, that way that could never happen again. Recently though, kageyama has experienced a whole new level of volleyball at the training camp, which combined with the goody two shoes thing, has reset a fire inside him, a new will to question things, to wonder why something might not be working and he just explodes with all the things he had been keeping inside towards his teamates. The lesson here is what hinata told kageyama's old teamate last episode and kinda says here as well: good communication and improvement also require disagreements and the expression of diferent points of view by different parts. "Fighting is normal". If u think someone is going to far then u move one and deal with that later, but supression is not an option and will only result in lack of evolution. 👍
Kageyama arc is totally thesis + antithesis = Synthesis Thesis: (King Kageyama) Do the best set possible, the attacker is the one that has to put effort into hitting Antithesis: (Oikawa Philosophy) Do the easier set for the spiker to hit, even if it is not the best set possible Synthesis: (New King Kageyama) Take the individualities into account, but push the attacker to do better then they currently are
@@KoroftheSon not really, Oikawa not only gave his hitters the best sets, but he also doesn't keep them from improving. He still adjusts to help the Spiker, but his philosophy is in the middle of Atsumu and kag, Kay was too heavy in compensating, and Atsumu doesn't hold back. Oikawa is in the middle he's no goody two shoes
Oikawa actually always does what new king kageyama does all the time , his advice to kageyama was because he wasn't even at the point of communicating let alone making everyone better the way Oikawa does. Just to list a example , in the second match with Karasuno there was a flashback with Kindaichi showing how Oikawa made him hit higher even though he thought it was to much at first and then in the match you saw he could do it easily.
Small thing, Kogane wasn't purposely setting Tsukki higher. Kogane being a first year with little volleyball experience messed up his tosses to Tsukki often enough that Tsukki had to kind of expect the set to not be on point and adjust accordingly. Also Kageyama's smile after being "crowned" by Hinata really shows the beginning of his growth this season. Season 1-3 Kageyama would've probably not had a reaction as mellow as that
It's like.. S1-3 have been about Kageyama coming down to everyone elses level and learning to play in a team. But if they are going to succeed at nationals, the whole team will need to come up to Kageyama's level. So they need him like this.
I really like the flashback to Oikawa when they're thinking about changing Kageyama into a good king. There's a scene in a much earlier episode with kindaichi (onion head) training quicks with Oikawa and asks for the set to be a little different but Oikawa asks him to stick with the current method. Its cool that this is just a side scene in either season 1 or 2 with no real reason to be there except so that you can remember it now in season 4 and show during this scene that only now is Kageyama closing in on Oikawa's ability to give his team the best sets. And this is (as I interpret it) what Oikawa was trying to get Kageyama to think about that day when he asked for advice.
22:05 Speaking of attitudes: In Season 2 when Karasuno played against Aoba Johsai, Koytani (Mad dog) was an amazing player, lacking in teamwork and communication skills. His entire arc was around his conflict with team, because he loved volleyball and wanted to be an amazing all around player, but due to his lack of social skills and attitude, he would butt heads with his peers and ultimatelly ended up skipping volleyball club practices and did practice of his own in community center. But he met an adult velleyball player there, who would tell him that playing with a team is both good and bad and if you want to be a good player, you need to take all the bad that come with your team, because all the good is worth it. And he ultimately realized it, when he got chewed on by Yahaba (player who pushed him into wall), after Oikawa still tossed and put his trust in him and when he finally turned around to face the team after a good play, instead of focusing on his own game.
Also remember that the whole "regression" by becoming a king for a bit was brought about not only from the "goody-to-shoes" line was simply playing with players that have a lot more talent. Kageyama saw how it is to play with players at his level or higher so he was expecting his Karasuno teammates to also be at that level. So when he went from a place where his potential and other peoples' potential were on equal level to a place where he was by far the best player it is a bit shocking and ig frustrating...at least imo lol
One thing I noticed is that the Hinata-Kageyama relationship allowed the resolution in this episode to happen: Kageyama holds nothing / none of his opinion back when yelling or fighting with Hinata; Hinata was able to recognize immediately "wait he doesnt mouth off opinions at everyone else? That's weird for him" and even introduce a solution that he's figured out to ease tensions with the team.
To rebut a little with your point about Nishinoya excepting Kageyama's point, I think Nishinoya would have been receptive if Kageyama ddint give him an attitude with it. Nishinoya cares about his position and his roll as a Libero as much as anyone but when you give him attitude its when he shuts you off.
I interpret the "goodie two shoes" remark as meaning Kageyama was giving hitters the sets they wanted but not pushing them to their physical limits. If you remember when Hinata said he thought Tsukki was jumping higher at camp Kageyama had a visual reaction to that. That let him know Tsukki had more potential to give when hitting.
"But that doesn't mean you can't fight." Since arriving at Karasuno, he is making tosses that are easy for the spiker to hit. I think this means that he still can take initiative and shape the attacks instead of only just following the spikers' lead.
The word Ukai used, 喧嘩 (kenka), means "to fight/quarrel/bicker (with someone)." It's a different concept from 戦い (tatakai) meaning "fight/battle (e.g. for or against something)." He's basically saying that the setter doesn't have to simply give way or agree if they think the hitter can do better, and actually "arguing" abt it with the hitter is okay. In other words, the setter shouldn't only listen and adapt but also communicate with the hitters and push for what they think is best for the hitter and the team.
The last time they did Haikyuu manga poll in Japan about reader's fav chapter, this particular episode/chapter is ranked #3. And honestly I can see why. The purpose of Kageyama's King of the Court character truly coming into full circle. We thought it's good enough that he discarded that Crown in the beginning, but no, that's not enough. At heart, he loves to control the court like a King, and now Karasuno finally lets him do just that.
I relate a lot with kageyama because I'm autistic so I'm really bad at communicating and just "knowing" how other people are feeling or what they need and sometimes when I try to give feedback or ask for it I end up sounding rude. I'm also the setter for my team and trying to remember everyone's preferences was a real challenge in the beginning. (I know Kageyama isn't canonically autistic, but he's coded as one sometimes. I'm just talking about the experience of being bad at communication.)
coah! look how Suga is focused on Hinata while all other players along Hinata are talking about kageyama,tsukki,datetech...but Suga is speechless in front of the amount of insight Hinata is bringing to the table
This is the tiniest thing I noticed but Koganegawa says about Kageyama 'Just how much has this guy practiced?' NOT something like he is a genius or he is talented. Instead he acknowledges the hard work and dedication and effort Kageyama put into getting this good. This is something a lot of the other comments attribute to Kageyama having intrinsically but I like that he understands what Kageyama had to put in beyond just having some innate athletic ability.
I never realized this until I sae it today, but it seems like a lot of what was messing with Kageyama was actually perfectionism in his understanding of the people around him. As soon as it became important to him, he needed perfection in that area, as much as he did with his sets. Uncertainty was unacceptable to him, yet realistically impossible to avoid. In one of the earlier seasons, Kageyama watches Oikawa perfectly sync up with some college students on the fly. He idolized this, and saw it as the piece he was missing in volleyball. He's human though, and did what anyone does, automatically assuming Oikawa himself was perfect in this sense. As Kageyama slowly became more in tune to his teammates, he still was trying to live up to this idolized version of Oikawa, which demanded perfection which was impossible.
Kageyama went from being a selfish "tyrant king," to over-correcting himself at Karasuno to the point where he repressed some of his competitive spirit due to his trauma in junior high. This is the episode where his team finds a way for Kageyama to embrace back his natural "king"-like personality, but in a healthier manner. That's why Takeda sensei says 35:05 the first years were a gift to the second and third years, but the Karasuno team is also a gift for Kags
15:15 Fun Fact: Kageyama is the youngest of the First years (12/22/96). Hinata's the oldest (06/21/96), followed by Tsukki (09/27/96), and Yamaguchi (11/10/96), with Kageyama being dead last.
Hinata is like the eldest who would always put everybody else in place, while Tsukki is the angry second child always trying to prove his worth, Yamaguci is the ever so loving third child and bff to the second child and Kageyama is the spoilt last child, always looked after by the first child.
I'd say this is certainly one of the most insightful episodes in the series. I was also a little confused but fortunately, the more I watch it, it gets more clearer. Throughout the series, Kageyama is learning how to work with his teammates. Fearing of repeating the same mistakes back in junior high, he's just willing to work with his teammates in scoring a point the way they see fit. These observations made me understand why Atsumu called him "Goody Two-Shoes". This episode shows that it's okay for Kageyama to be the "King" that bosses his teammates around, especially if it's for the sake of them improving and working at their full potential. As you said, Coach, communication isn't a one-way street. There needs to be a fair share of feedback coming from the setter AND the spikers' end.
The history of the rolling dive being an adaptation of martial arts is so interesting. You see that type of thing as a trope of sports anime a lot where people in the main sport apply skills from other sports or sources to their current sport in a way that gives them a unique advantage. Like the tennis hop referenced earlier in the show.
The smile this time around means all the difference. Kageyama hated his nickname the first time cuz it came from a place of hate. They mentioned in the first season how his opponents didn’t give him the King nickname his teammates did out of spite. But this time around, the meaning of king has changed. This time his teammates called him king from a place of admiration. They changed the part he hated most about himself. Now kageyama has the perfect balance, he doesn’t expect anyone to just do what he says but at the same time he’s not babying anyone and pushing everyone to their limit.
The reason that Hinata was doing that weird animation of pressing his hair down is because he was imitating Kageyama. He imitated him further by trying to copy his hairstyle xD
Self acceptance and acceptance from others for your true self. It's such a beautiful episode and when Hinata crowns Kageyama with the doggy towel hat I want to both laugh and cry. It's so silly yet hits so deep and isn't that what this whole series is about? May you have a lovely holiday and a lovely new year
I really do love this episode for Kageyama because it’s kinda showing the inner fight he’s having with himself. He’s been accommodating his spiker’s and when that seems to not work, he starts getting frustrated+a really good setter who doesn’t do that has showed up who does what he used to and is successful with it, so it’s double the confusion for him because it’s like “you guys told me I’m never getting anywhere w this mindset but this guy has it and he’s successful+the one you taught me isn’t working and getting evaded”. Also, he just came from all Japan where the best players were in his midst, and he was doing just fine with them, yet he gets here and all of a sudden things weren’t working out. He also isn’t good at communicating, and he’s very scared that him trying to critique is team will come off as aggressive and bossy, so he just settled with not saying anything and just getting more upset as he did so. And the thing about him not accommodating others anymore is so GOOD, because what he was doing was just making things comfortable for them which in the end won’t really help them grow, and he wasn’t gaining anything out of it either. They need that push outside of their comfort zone and Kageyama seems to be just that, because no offense but everyone else on karasuno is passive and reassuring, but he brings that “get your shit together” motivation that some people (his relationship w Hinata is a a great example) need. Furadate has written a GREAT character.
Remember Coach! From this episode onwards, Kageyama is not a goody two shoes and he became the King of the Court, except this time, it is meant in a positive way and not in the negative way as it was used to mention to him in junior high.
I love how coach noticed the thought process of kageyama its kinda funny but its true that he have to keep track of many things specially now that his teammates started to tell him what they need/want and having all these personalities and game situation and player condition, you really appreciate how setters have to think of all these things when giving a toss 😆
For me, this is one of the most important episode for Karasuno as a Team. Kageyama become a monster for now on. Loved the reaction too and I loved the meme with Noya's Rolling Thunder editor, keep the good work
- Actually, I will point at 35.00, when Takeda-sensei talking about the team. - Third years are really happy/lucky about their first years, how much they bring to the team (concrete desire to win, more drive, Hinata's positivity and others). - But it's the same for first years. They're SO LUCKY to have their third and second years(who they are): they can evolve, communicate and play way better because senpais are watching/supporting them. And especially it goes to Kageyama, who was needed the most help from them (support environment, ideal for the growing healthy king). - Of course, Hinata was needed for Kageyama too, but that's another thing to discuss.
One of the S4 episodes we were all waiting for, for sure. Kageyama's finding ways to grow as the exceptional talent he is while also lifting up Karasuna to be better than they have been. Meanwhile Hinata is growing more and more cerebral about the sport instead of leaning so hard on instincts and reflexes. But none of that happens without a great coach, and I had a lot of fun seeing you clue in to the mentality that Ukai (and Tanaka-sensei) as well as Suga had wrt growth. It's something I've been figuring out to as a new teacher. Some times you have to let them sort things about between themselves and learn how to communicate. Teaching at someone doesn't work as effectively as letting them find a community to learn together. And then when shit hits the fan you course correct a bit to keep people on the right path. Great episode, can't wait for the refurbished S4E8!
Man asahi is soo relatable to me, I'm very anxious and sensitive tbh, so his comments about the way kageyama communicates with him are exactly how I would respond, like he would like for kageyama to talk to him in a nicer way but also to be direct and not try to hide things that might be bothering
I love how the editor just freely put some funny edits in between Coach Donny's reaction, it just made this video even more entertaining. Looking forward to your second reaction to Episode 8, Coach!
As an introvert myself, one of the most relatable things about Kageyama is that he doesn't want to rock the boat. It's not just about doing what other people want - he's been avoiding doing ANYTHING that could lead to a conflict with his team. That included talking things out to see what they can tolerate, and what they deem acceptable behavior. Of course, it's better if everyone gets along, but avoiding confrontation is unhealthy, and it just eventually builds up to a boiling point.
Competitiviness is really something to be aware of. I remember being really upset when I was playing some matches, and I had teammates that were there just because they had nothing more to do. I think no matter what you do in life, you need a friend that matches your level of competitiviness, not bellow nor above, just the same level, otherwise it will be a frustrated relationship.
100% agree. most of us start off with friends who just want to play, eventually some will have a greater drive and progress faster than others. I’ve seen divide in friendships because super competitive people get frustrated at the casual players. if you’re a competitive player - you need to make sure the rest of your team’s purpose and priorities are aligned with yours, otherwise you need to manage your expectations
I keep getting more and more impressed by editor-san's work in each episode. All the editing in this brings out so much character, and I love that! Keep up the good work, but don't push yourself too hard, you're doing great!
Japanese is all about being passive and suggestive rather than direct. Kageyama is the verbal equivalent of a wrecking ball with absolutely no finesse. Even people like Tanaka and Nishinoya are capable of deference, so when Kageyama approaches things with absolutely no sense of where he stands in a social group hierarchy--his directness to those older than him like Nishinoya--it gets testy. And as is pointed out a few times in the show, Tanaka is more likely to get angry on someone else's behalf rather than his own, seeing as he somewhat views himself like the team enforcer.
Based on my observation: I want to add that the All-Japan libero, Motoya Kimori was being praised by not blocking attackers whenever he's digging or doing rolling at All Japan Youth training. I'm sure that's where Kageyama realized Nishinoya's bad habits of blocking attacker. Note: Remember that Yamaguchi's observation of Serve and Block lol
It's so wholesome to see them get better at communicating with eachother. I am so hyped for a certain moment later on, where this really becomes important, as Kageyama pushes and helps a teammate out of a dip in performance through his trust in them.
Hi Coach! I grew up in an immigrant household! However, the Latin culture wasn't really instilled in us as we were not anywhere that other Latinx people lived (Southern Louisiana), nor did we have Telemundo or other Spanish language channels until after I had entered high school. My mom did make tortillas, tamales, empanadas, and pupusas! Her food was a big hit with all our friends! 😊 Being from the South though, did make respect and hospitality paramount. All the adults would be addressed as Ms. / Mr. First Name if they were family friends, or addressed with their surname in school or other professional settings. And you better answer every question with a ma'am or sir at the end! In my customer service jobs you were encouraged to treat people as if they were a guest in your home. and 'kill them with kindness' i.e. you put on a smile, and cater to their requests so they can leave happy. THEN you can make fun of them! 😂
I think Hinata gets pushy when he sees talented players chicken out on certain things because he knows they can do it and that he wants to be able to overcome those talents at their full potential. It's really good to know that Hinata has grown.
I feel like the story does this intentionally to make the players seem older than their canonical age, but it's always weird to me that the characters refer to "back in junior high," when in reality it was less than a year ago for them. Kageyama and Hinata's first encounter in their final year of middle school was at the end of the previous school year. Likewise for Kageyama's incident where his teammates refused to hit his sets. These are very fresh events and memories, but the dialogue makes it seem like years and years ago.
Karasuno didn't play Dateko at Haruko, they did beat them in the inter high though, but Dateko and Seijoh played at Haruko for the semi final spot against Karasuno
This is one of my favorite episodes! The animation is great, especially the scene where Kageyama gets crowned, and the message behind the episode is amazing. A team needs to communicate in order to succeed and they need to push each other to get better and reach new heights (literally in Tsukki’s case)
So yeah, I really like this anime because we've seen so much improvement because there was conflict because there was a fight. remember when hinata was still closing his eyes and he felt like he needed to change, but everyone gave hinata a hard time, kageyama told him to keep doing what works and ukai didnt really have an idea on how hinata could improve, but hinata stumbled his way thru the dark and slowly came to level up same thing happened when he was a ball boy, ushiwaka and washijo sensei similar to kageyama put hinata down but he still rebelled and fought his way. in my teen years becasue i was a loner and i have read lots of things on the internet and thought about my experience in life ( all basically failures) I like hinata knew that i had to do something, and i know that no other person could help me directly, sometimes they tell me that im wrong and i need to keep focus on the same things and sometimes they try to help me like coach ukai took hinata to his grandfather in hopes of hinata finding his way. to this day i have the same mentality, i still keep my views becasue that's what i believe im missing, it's not clear and very hazy in terms of waht is actually my problem and how do i break thru. and the same people still tell me that im wrong. I have never really had a breakthru, casue mostly im retarded LMAO im not like hinata which is secretly a genius and has incredible talent if you tell me but i just hope you would look out for kids like me. i never had broken out of my rut from being stupid and being unable to learn things well but I hope you can while they're still young and in high-school.
Coach, you were 100% CORRECT in your last reaction when you guessed why Kageyama yelled at Nishinoya. Nishinoya had gotten in the way of the back line approach. I didnt wanna spoil anything so I didnt comment last time but I was SO STOKED that you called it perfectly!
Coach Donny’s videos are the best, especially after long trips and plane flights Also I got a volleyball and volleyball lessons for Christmas and I couldn’t be happier,, how does my entire family know about my volleyball obsession-
this is one of my favourite haikyuu episode because it shows how perfect karasuno is to kageyama especially as a team. His middleschool team could've handled kageyama this way and vice versa but they were all too young to understand the concept of proper communication. I do think that if kageyama didnt go to karasuno he will still be the same player he was during middleschool or if not he would have such a hard time growing as a player.
Thanks for your reaction this week Coach! I also want to give an appreciation to the editor! Lots of laughs and giggles from me during the video, especially coach's head shaking to the ending song
As someone said in a comment before: “Basically went from a tyrannical king that made unreasonable demands, to a goody two shoes that gave into other’s bad habits, to now a good king that pushes his team to be the best”. Which sums up Kageyama’s arc perfectly.
For real, I had never realized that until I rewatched the anime.
I always call this as Kageyama being the "golden mean"--not too much of either side, but just enough of both. He also, in my opinion, is the "golden mean" of the setting philosophies, taking a bit from Oikawa and a bit from Atsumu, but making his own third category that is unique to him.
Great comment!
Agreeing to this one. Hope Coach will see this
Kageyama’s “make the damn point”… it gets the point cross I guess, but it’s not a 100% correct translation either. He is still using polite grammar like he always does with seniors, it’s more about the tone and phrasing. Something like “well then, would you please score?!”. Kageyama never really addresses his seniors impolitely.
When you said that being competitive is really hard to teach, it made me appreciate Kageyama’s and Hinata’s competitiveness even more; it’s already this great, but it gets SO much better as the story goes on, I’m sure you’ll see it too.
Also, just have to admire the way Furudate (the author) handled the whole king thing. Almost everyone expected something from S1 here, where Karasuno helped Kageyama strip the King off, but instead they reclaimed the title for him and turned it into something to wear proudly. Really great writing.
@@ElevateYourselfOfficial exactly, which sucks when the translation isn't perfect cause the context can be different.
Even though it's not 100% accurate to the Japanese I honestly think it works better that way. The point in making it sound so disrespectful is because it's supposed to come off as rude even to an audience that doesn't understand the context of asian cultures like giving orders to your seniors. If the translation was 100% accurate then most people would have the same reaction that coach had when Kageyama yelled at Nishinoya: "Wait, what's going on? Why is everyone reacting like that? Why is he so angry? What's the big deal with him saying that?"
Quick note: Kogane wasn't deliberately setting higher, he's just really new at setting so his sets tend to drift too high. It was a problem during the Date Tech vs. Seijoh match too lol
Yeah. He was new and him being tall is the main reason why it's so high although the only problem of his tossing was for Seijoh and that 1 time he didn't sync with Futakuchi.
I was really waiting for this episode, because it just explains the whole goody two shoes bit. It's beasically just the reference to Kageyama compensating for his teammates' bad habits. This episode is just too good, and also very special for me. It's the episode where I caught up to the anime and started reading the manga, and it was amazing. In a couple of weeks I caught up to the manga as well and than followed it weekly, along with the anime, until it was over. I miss Haikyuu, the manga is just so good
@@ElevateYourselfOfficial the manga was a big surprise for me. I was reluctant, as I didn't think it could capture the dynamic of the game like the anime does, but it actually did it so well it's unvbelievable
@@ElevateYourselfOfficial That'd be awesome, as good as the illustrations from the anime are, the manga is leagues above, I'm sure you'll really love it as volleybal player and artist.
Can't agree more! I was also confused about that phrase 'goody two shoes' up until this episode.
@@ElevateYourselfOfficial yes pls everyone like this one I want to see his opinion on K-pop later on in the story
@@ElevateYourselfOfficial please please please react to the manga. There is so much amazing development that probably won’t be animated for at least a year or 2. As soon as you start reading I’m sure you won’t be able to stop
Kogane didn't set Tsukki higher on purpose, he just has a bad habit of setting too high
He does have that bad habit of setting too high, but that was also what the coach suggested he do, because he was so new at the position, wasn't it?
@@coryng9139 well, he's saying once he kinda gets better at it it'll work super well for taller players. I can't remember if it was explicitly done that way tho
Kogane is a new player, so his coach told him to set high, because that's easier for hitters to work with. It's not necessarily a "bad habit" (yet), hes just compensating for his lack of experience and skill at this point. Also, he is much taller.
@@coryng9139 Koganegawa was actually directed to set from one high point to another, essentially putting the ball in place. That’s what we see in their match against Seijoh.
Koganegawa’s sets flying too high seems to be more of a technical flub than something that he’s been taught to do or has built a real habit out of doing.
@@AllTheArtsy yes, but he does set way to high anyways
Just to clarify coach; Suga explained later why Tanaka got so angry when Kageyama "disrespected" Nishinoya. Tanaka is the type of person that doesn't really get offended easily, but if you disrespect his friends or family then he gets super pissed off. I'm kinda like this as well. Hope you have a happy new year coach Donny. With all the dumb stuff going on in the world, thank you for making a 2021 a bit more bearable!!
@@ElevateYourselfOfficial he's a different kinda guardian deity. Not for the court, but for his homies
@@TimothyGod In a street fight yeah haha
@@Gathoderiz hey, whatever works right?
Fun Fact about the first years is that Hinata is the oldest while Kageyama is the youngest
Funny because Hinata is the least skilled, while Kageyama is the most skilled first Year
@@Gotothelui but the important thing is that Hinata is the most emotionally grown up, while kags is the least
I didnt know that, that would explain as to why Hinata is the most mature mentally and emotionally.
@@SolarSkyline mentally and emotionally are two diff thinkings its like how to say.. thinking versus expressing. hinata is more emotionally developed in that he understands and expresses emotions better compared to his fellow teammates. he might not be able to explain it as articulately but the whole point is that he understands and expresses them better and he gets the point across in his own way
Watching this episode gave a better understanding on how Hinata / Kageyama relationship works. The episode also reminds me of one episode in second season when they fought after they came back from the first Tokyo training. The part where Hinata was telling Yacchi that to him Kageyama, despite his attitude and words, is not just a friend, but a partner. It really breaks my heart seeing the tears as he paddled away. And fast forward a few months later, Hinata was able to explain to Kageyama that however hurtful his behaviours would be, he (Hinata) would just ignores it if he can't take it.
6:26 don't be sorry, editor. It made my day x'D I was rolling (THUNDA!) laughing hahahaha
Same, him plastering the VP was awesome
I had to watch it 3 times in a row because it was so amazing!
I laughed soooo much xD
yeah. the editor killed me with that one. XD
The principal one was my favourite 😂😂
One thing that really sets Haikyuu appart from other animes is that, even though almosst all shonen anime, , and this goes especially for sports anime, have this progression of showing the individual development and the team development, but they are kind of separated. Haikyuu kind of shows how the individual development of each player changes the dynamics of the team and hoe communication is essential in order to readjust to these changes
Haven't you seen Ace of Diamond yet? You better watch it. For me, it has better team and individual development. Specially the mc there. So good.
@@egomana9329 so true I'm waiting for the next season to come!
When Takeda sensei was talking about how the third years are thankful and appreciative of the first years joining the team and how it might be the same for Kageyama, he was referring to how Kageyama is probably very appreciative of his upperclassmen because they’ve been so patient with him and have aided in his self reflection and are helping guide him into the person he wants to be. They don’t buckle down on him and make him feel bad when he reverts into his past ways but rather speak to him calmly and remain approachable. They understand that he’s not good with certain things on an emotionally intellectual level and doesn’t have the best communication skills and don’t fault him for it but still try to help him correct it.
Yeah! And as much as i love my petty queen Oikawa... he's a bad upperclassman to Kageyama (maybe not to his current team) because of his insecurities and self-proclaimed rivalry with Kags. Since Oikawa is immature himself, I can't really see him guiding Kags emotionally. Maybe Iwa-chan will
Jake Ramos exactly! Iwa did a better job with Kageyama than Kawa but even then he could only do so much. Ik they were all just kids, so I don’t blame them for the things they couldn’t do or understand but Kawa definitely could’ve handled his personal issues with Kags a lot better than he did. But again he was also just a child himself and their coaches should’ve been more on top of everything than they were because they, as adults, could’ve prevented that situation from going as south as it did imo. It wasn’t just up to his upperclassmen to help guide him but his coaches as well, and especially more so the coaches than his teammates in all honesty given their ages at the time. I’m just glad Kags is finally somewhere where people want him to grow emotionally and are willing to put in the work to help him achieve that and overcome his past trauma, as well as heal from it. It’s one thing to want someone to change for the better and it’s another to have patience and put in the time and effort it takes to help see and achieve that change. His previous team definitely wanted him to change but since they were all kids themselves and dealing with the situation basically on their own, they didn’t know how to help him. As children themselves, they didn’t have the necessary tools to properly help him nor the responsibility and obligation to help him find that resolve. It was a major L for the coaching staff imo because they should’ve handled that whole situation so much better than they did smh.
@@niariella03 yeah but don't forget that only a few months passed since the match of Kitagawa. They sur were young but they still are, it's just that Kindaichi and Kunimi were really bad teammates in the first place, never putting efforts when they should have (they are lazy and full of themselves for the most). Yeah coaches could have handled that, but before that Kunimi and Kindaichi could have tried to talk to Kageyama, understand him, and even Oikawa could have behave better. Youth isn't an excuse for everything, still today Oikawa would be an awful senpai to Kageyama if he went to Seijo, while Suga immediately treated him as his kouhai even though he lost his place among the regulars. Kageyama has psychological issues due to his loneliness, and it was up to the others to try to help him, and they never did, and treated him badly and cruelly instead. So no wonder Kageyama only felt worst after.
Maoui mais non I agree! I’m not saying youth is an excuse for everything and and they definitely could have done better by him hands down, but how are you gonna help someone through something if you’ve never been given the tools to do so in the first place ya know. I get that they were lazy but the coaches know their players and their drives, so they should’ve stepped in and helped them navigate the situation and communicate better to help everyone get on one accord because they all had different expectations of one another. And yeah as much a I love Kawa he’s shit at being a dependable upperclassman for sure. I’m glad Kags has better influences now and people that genuinely care for him.
@@Nunelii Although moving away from the main topic, I have to say, I can't really see Kindaichi and Kunimi as bad teammates or lazy. Just like how Oikawa has seen, they just work hard differently. They were shown repeatedly trying to talk to Kageyama about how they want to play, but were always replied with ferocity. Imo, they were justified in how they reacted. Even Karasuno agreed. In S1, Daichi would never let Kageyama play as official setter so egotistically. And even in this episode, Kags realized that every player is unique and have their own play style. HInata says "if I don't like what Kageyama is saying or how he talks, I just ignore him"; exactly how Kitagawa Daichi reacted. The timing is different since Kitagawa Daichi's last straw with Kageyama was during an official match, while Karasuno addressed it during a practice one.
Also, as a sign of maturity, even though only a few months has passed, in S4 training camp, Kindaichi was wondering if he could have communicated with Kageyama differently and if would have made their Kitagawa Daichi team better. But even then, Hinata, with his high emotional intelligence, didn't say Kindaichi was wrong. It is normal to fight. Especially if the other person is being an ass.
This episode shows how emotionally intelligent Hinata is.
We've seen loads of times like this as well. Yachi is a great example, Suga or Asahi says something like "he's great at communicating"
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Yeah, I think he's interpersonally intelligent too. Makes sense that he's got many friends
@@ジャン-j9h probably also why he's able to bring up ppl so easily
and he knows it from experience too (as in like being able to deal with setbacks and 'failures' since he's been there over and over again)
The thing with Kageyama is not that he has to deal with all the things a setter has to do but he is also, as you can see, really bad with words and comminication in general so it's extra difficult for him haha.
I think it’s more that he’s a little different than that he’s bad at it. Think about nekoma’s setter or the captain from the twins’ team. Once he has more experience translating his observations and calculations, kageyama (if this were a real person developing) would be the ideal personality for a setter. A setter who stays cool and objective is unpredictable and dangerous.
@@bearinabag2448 well he's bad at it cause he's different
@@bearinabag2448 I mean yeah I guess. But the fact that Kageyama is like... very socially akward is still true, even more than Kenma. We know he learns in the future when it comes to Volleyball but I'm talking about him being really bad at social interactions in genetal when it comes to the norm. And that's something that...*manga spoilers*
...he is still bad at even as an adult.
@@LixienXIII well tbh he is not exactly bad communicator as an adult, he is different, I am neurodivergent and I can relate to Kageyama A LOT in terms of communication, just that I don't care much (like Kenma) IMO it's not fair to say that he's really bad at social interactions, he's only really "bad" when he communicate with people who don't talk his "language", for example Hinata is someone who can basically understand your communication style no matter what it is (he's just emotionally a genius like that) but there are people like Kageyama who just has a different communication style and being extremely confused about social cues and stuff, it's like everyone speaks a different language than you and no one wants to teach you anything because "you should have known" this instills a lot of trauma for people like Kageyama. so usually people like us are forced to learn another language just so we can be understood, it's unnatural for us but we have to. and that's what's great about Karasuno, they don't want to change Kageyama, they let him be himself and try to meet Kageyama halfway (being direct and showing each of their own preference). also this makes me appreciate Hinata more, let's just say he's multilingual here lol it's really amazing to have someone like Hinata for us who are born different, notice that Kageyama communicates naturally with Hinata (sometimes non verbal)
What I liked about the conflict with Kageyama in this episode was that it wasn't just his fault. He wasn't communicating well, but his teammates also never communicated to him that they were working on new techniques and such rather than playing the game seriously. Kageyama was getting so frustrated because it suddenly seemed like the others just weren't playing their hardest, when the reality was that he simply didn't realize what they were trying to accomplish.
I think apart from Hinata and to a certain point, Tsukishima, the rest of the team just don't actually know how to express themselves to Kageyama, as reflected by Coach Ukai.
It looks hard to talk with Kageyama, the guy barely understood humor
The rolling thunder edit really got me laughing out loud, it is much appreciated 🤣
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Very unexpected, but very funny XD specially with the toupee scene
it was a surprise, a very welcome surprise.
It was PERFECT! I never realized how long I've needed this lmao
I was laughing from the beginning and absolutely lost it when Nishinoya hit the Vice Principal in the face 🤣
Kageyama saying "So you can fly" to Tsukishima is actually interesting in japanese, since "fly" and "jump" are the same verb in the language. They just are used in different contexts.
It also has a cool parallel with the bird analogies in Haikyuu, since everytime they jump, they also fly.
damn so the banner is just "jump high"? 😳😂
@@JamesLightner kinda haha
6:26 YAAAAS EDITOR! GIVE US EVERYTHING! I love it when editor do that sneaky funny edits. 🤣
OMG YES I ABSOLUTELY LOST IT that just made my entire week
Editor-san is absolutely amazing
that was very good. I thoroughly enjoyed that.
In absolute stitches, phenomenal job Mr. Editor
I lost it when editor put a question mark on Nishinoya's body at the meat dance. 🤣
18:57 So about Tanaka, this was a very important trait that’s mentioned!! He is VERY receptive to criticism when it involves himself, but when his teammates are addressed impolitely then that’s what he gets upset over. This explains what happened at 9:20 when Tanaka gets irritated by Kageyama.
so idk if anyone has said this but the reason why kageyama even noticed what nishinoya did in terms of getting in the way was becuase of somethi9ng he saw in the national training camp there one the liberos (the one who was friends with the germaphobe) he received the ball and got out of the way for the approach from the back middle so kageyama saw that awareness and he knows how good nishinoya is so he is placing those expectations on nishinoya too.
Komori(The libero)is actually Sakusa's(The germaphobe)cousin
@@timfangrad5173 i know but that wasnt revealed yet in the anime so i didnt say anything
@@svgftw351 you could have mentioned it don't worry it's not like if it will spoil anything
I love how Hinata was able to break the tension when Kageyama lashed out. It shows how Hinata is emotionally/socially smart.
What teacher Takeda meant at 34:58 is that Karasuno's first years (Kageyama, Hinata, Tsuki and Yamaguchi) are usually praised for Karasuno's evolution but that it wouldn't have been possible without such great seniors that are willing to listen to them and that are so understanding.
6:25 gotta give props to the editor here Nishinoya rolling through space and kicking the principle in the face was hilarious
just actual bts of noya rolling away from his problems 🤷♂️
Kageyamas arc and this episode in particular are very special to me. It's not something stated in the series, but kageyamas troubles communicating, like not understanding others or struggling with tone even though hes just being honest, are really really relatable to me as a person with autism, and its incredible to see a represention of how it IS possible to communicate and work together with people regardless of said struggles, in which many people see themselves in
I think this all arc with kageyama really explores the nature and importance of communication. Ever since the incident with his past teammates, kageyama, afraid of hurting others again, has been kinda of loosing his voice has a setter. Until now his mindset has been: ok, i'll just do anything my spikers ask of me, no questions asked, no disagreements shared, that way that could never happen again. Recently though, kageyama has experienced a whole new level of volleyball at the training camp, which combined with the goody two shoes thing, has reset a fire inside him, a new will to question things, to wonder why something might not be working and he just explodes with all the things he had been keeping inside towards his teamates. The lesson here is what hinata told kageyama's old teamate last episode and kinda says here as well: good communication and improvement also require disagreements and the expression of diferent points of view by different parts. "Fighting is normal". If u think someone is going to far then u move one and deal with that later, but supression is not an option and will only result in lack of evolution. 👍
Kageyama arc is totally thesis + antithesis = Synthesis
Thesis: (King Kageyama) Do the best set possible, the attacker is the one that has to put effort into hitting
Antithesis: (Oikawa Philosophy) Do the easier set for the spiker to hit, even if it is not the best set possible
Synthesis: (New King Kageyama) Take the individualities into account, but push the attacker to do better then they currently are
Well said, that's such a perfect way to put it
@@KoroftheSon not really, Oikawa not only gave his hitters the best sets, but he also doesn't keep them from improving. He still adjusts to help the Spiker, but his philosophy is in the middle of Atsumu and kag, Kay was too heavy in compensating, and Atsumu doesn't hold back. Oikawa is in the middle he's no goody two shoes
Oikawa actually always does what new king kageyama does all the time , his advice to kageyama was because he wasn't even at the point of communicating let alone making everyone better the way Oikawa does. Just to list a example , in the second match with Karasuno there was a flashback with Kindaichi showing how Oikawa made him hit higher even though he thought it was to much at first and then in the match you saw he could do it easily.
Totally this.
It's more a golden mean situation, though, because Atsumu features in the equation as well.
Small thing, Kogane wasn't purposely setting Tsukki higher. Kogane being a first year with little volleyball experience messed up his tosses to Tsukki often enough that Tsukki had to kind of expect the set to not be on point and adjust accordingly.
Also Kageyama's smile after being "crowned" by Hinata really shows the beginning of his growth this season. Season 1-3 Kageyama would've probably not had a reaction as mellow as that
I really love Hinata’s super high emotional intelligence. He really cuts through and connects with people. A ball of sunshine
It's like.. S1-3 have been about Kageyama coming down to everyone elses level and learning to play in a team. But if they are going to succeed at nationals, the whole team will need to come up to Kageyama's level. So they need him like this.
Extremely good point, i didn't consider it from this angle
I really like the flashback to Oikawa when they're thinking about changing Kageyama into a good king. There's a scene in a much earlier episode with kindaichi (onion head) training quicks with Oikawa and asks for the set to be a little different but Oikawa asks him to stick with the current method. Its cool that this is just a side scene in either season 1 or 2 with no real reason to be there except so that you can remember it now in season 4 and show during this scene that only now is Kageyama closing in on Oikawa's ability to give his team the best sets. And this is (as I interpret it) what Oikawa was trying to get Kageyama to think about that day when he asked for advice.
22:05 Speaking of attitudes:
In Season 2 when Karasuno played against Aoba Johsai, Koytani (Mad dog) was an amazing player, lacking in teamwork and communication skills.
His entire arc was around his conflict with team, because he loved volleyball and wanted to be an amazing all around player, but due to his lack of social skills and attitude, he would butt heads with his peers and ultimatelly ended up skipping volleyball club practices and did practice of his own in community center. But he met an adult velleyball player there, who would tell him that playing with a team is both good and bad and if you want to be a good player, you need to take all the bad that come with your team, because all the good is worth it. And he ultimately realized it, when he got chewed on by Yahaba (player who pushed him into wall), after Oikawa still tossed and put his trust in him and when he finally turned around to face the team after a good play, instead of focusing on his own game.
Also remember that the whole "regression" by becoming a king for a bit was brought about not only from the "goody-to-shoes" line was simply playing with players that have a lot more talent. Kageyama saw how it is to play with players at his level or higher so he was expecting his Karasuno teammates to also be at that level. So when he went from a place where his potential and other peoples' potential were on equal level to a place where he was by far the best player it is a bit shocking and ig frustrating...at least imo lol
One thing I noticed is that the Hinata-Kageyama relationship allowed the resolution in this episode to happen: Kageyama holds nothing / none of his opinion back when yelling or fighting with Hinata; Hinata was able to recognize immediately "wait he doesnt mouth off opinions at everyone else? That's weird for him" and even introduce a solution that he's figured out to ease tensions with the team.
To rebut a little with your point about Nishinoya excepting Kageyama's point, I think Nishinoya would have been receptive if Kageyama ddint give him an attitude with it. Nishinoya cares about his position and his roll as a Libero as much as anyone but when you give him attitude its when he shuts you off.
I interpret the "goodie two shoes" remark as meaning Kageyama was giving hitters the sets they wanted but not pushing them to their physical limits. If you remember when Hinata said he thought Tsukki was jumping higher at camp Kageyama had a visual reaction to that. That let him know Tsukki had more potential to give when hitting.
"But that doesn't mean you can't fight."
Since arriving at Karasuno, he is making tosses that are easy for the spiker to hit. I think this means that he still can take initiative and shape the attacks instead of only just following the spikers' lead.
The word Ukai used, 喧嘩 (kenka), means "to fight/quarrel/bicker (with someone)." It's a different concept from 戦い (tatakai) meaning "fight/battle (e.g. for or against something)." He's basically saying that the setter doesn't have to simply give way or agree if they think the hitter can do better, and actually "arguing" abt it with the hitter is okay. In other words, the setter shouldn't only listen and adapt but also communicate with the hitters and push for what they think is best for the hitter and the team.
The last time they did Haikyuu manga poll in Japan about reader's fav chapter, this particular episode/chapter is ranked #3. And honestly I can see why. The purpose of Kageyama's King of the Court character truly coming into full circle. We thought it's good enough that he discarded that Crown in the beginning, but no, that's not enough. At heart, he loves to control the court like a King, and now Karasuno finally lets him do just that.
I relate a lot with kageyama because I'm autistic so I'm really bad at communicating and just "knowing" how other people are feeling or what they need and sometimes when I try to give feedback or ask for it I end up sounding rude. I'm also the setter for my team and trying to remember everyone's preferences was a real challenge in the beginning.
(I know Kageyama isn't canonically autistic, but he's coded as one sometimes. I'm just talking about the experience of being bad at communication.)
coah! look how Suga is focused on Hinata while all other players along Hinata are talking about kageyama,tsukki,datetech...but Suga is speechless in front of the amount of insight Hinata is bringing to the table
This is the tiniest thing I noticed but Koganegawa says about Kageyama 'Just how much has this guy practiced?' NOT something like he is a genius or he is talented. Instead he acknowledges the hard work and dedication and effort Kageyama put into getting this good. This is something a lot of the other comments attribute to Kageyama having intrinsically but I like that he understands what Kageyama had to put in beyond just having some innate athletic ability.
I never realized this until I sae it today, but it seems like a lot of what was messing with Kageyama was actually perfectionism in his understanding of the people around him. As soon as it became important to him, he needed perfection in that area, as much as he did with his sets. Uncertainty was unacceptable to him, yet realistically impossible to avoid.
In one of the earlier seasons, Kageyama watches Oikawa perfectly sync up with some college students on the fly. He idolized this, and saw it as the piece he was missing in volleyball. He's human though, and did what anyone does, automatically assuming Oikawa himself was perfect in this sense. As Kageyama slowly became more in tune to his teammates, he still was trying to live up to this idolized version of Oikawa, which demanded perfection which was impossible.
Kageyama went from being a selfish "tyrant king," to over-correcting himself at Karasuno to the point where he repressed some of his competitive spirit due to his trauma in junior high. This is the episode where his team finds a way for Kageyama to embrace back his natural "king"-like personality, but in a healthier manner. That's why Takeda sensei says 35:05 the first years were a gift to the second and third years, but the Karasuno team is also a gift for Kags
6:27 And the editor of the year award goes to...
15:15 Fun Fact: Kageyama is the youngest of the First years (12/22/96). Hinata's the oldest (06/21/96), followed by Tsukki (09/27/96), and Yamaguchi (11/10/96), with Kageyama being dead last.
Hinata is like the eldest who would always put everybody else in place, while Tsukki is the angry second child always trying to prove his worth, Yamaguci is the ever so loving third child and bff to the second child and Kageyama is the spoilt last child, always looked after by the first child.
I'd say this is certainly one of the most insightful episodes in the series. I was also a little confused but fortunately, the more I watch it, it gets more clearer.
Throughout the series, Kageyama is learning how to work with his teammates. Fearing of repeating the same mistakes back in junior high, he's just willing to work with his teammates in scoring a point the way they see fit. These observations made me understand why Atsumu called him "Goody Two-Shoes".
This episode shows that it's okay for Kageyama to be the "King" that bosses his teammates around, especially if it's for the sake of them improving and working at their full potential. As you said, Coach, communication isn't a one-way street. There needs to be a fair share of feedback coming from the setter AND the spikers' end.
The history of the rolling dive being an adaptation of martial arts is so interesting. You see that type of thing as a trope of sports anime a lot where people in the main sport apply skills from other sports or sources to their current sport in a way that gives them a unique advantage. Like the tennis hop referenced earlier in the show.
The simplest explanation of this episode is, Karasuno is the BEST team for Kageyama.
this episode honestly made me cry... LONG LIVE THE KING 🤴🏻
The smile this time around means all the difference. Kageyama hated his nickname the first time cuz it came from a place of hate. They mentioned in the first season how his opponents didn’t give him the King nickname his teammates did out of spite. But this time around, the meaning of king has changed. This time his teammates called him king from a place of admiration. They changed the part he hated most about himself. Now kageyama has the perfect balance, he doesn’t expect anyone to just do what he says but at the same time he’s not babying anyone and pushing everyone to their limit.
The reason that Hinata was doing that weird animation of pressing his hair down is because he was imitating Kageyama. He imitated him further by trying to copy his hairstyle xD
Self acceptance and acceptance from others for your true self. It's such a beautiful episode and when Hinata crowns Kageyama with the doggy towel hat I want to both laugh and cry. It's so silly yet hits so deep and isn't that what this whole series is about? May you have a lovely holiday and a lovely new year
I really do love this episode for Kageyama because it’s kinda showing the inner fight he’s having with himself. He’s been accommodating his spiker’s and when that seems to not work, he starts getting frustrated+a really good setter who doesn’t do that has showed up who does what he used to and is successful with it, so it’s double the confusion for him because it’s like “you guys told me I’m never getting anywhere w this mindset but this guy has it and he’s successful+the one you taught me isn’t working and getting evaded”. Also, he just came from all Japan where the best players were in his midst, and he was doing just fine with them, yet he gets here and all of a sudden things weren’t working out. He also isn’t good at communicating, and he’s very scared that him trying to critique is team will come off as aggressive and bossy, so he just settled with not saying anything and just getting more upset as he did so. And the thing about him not accommodating others anymore is so GOOD, because what he was doing was just making things comfortable for them which in the end won’t really help them grow, and he wasn’t gaining anything out of it either. They need that push outside of their comfort zone and Kageyama seems to be just that, because no offense but everyone else on karasuno is passive and reassuring, but he brings that “get your shit together” motivation that some people (his relationship w Hinata is a a great example) need. Furadate has written a GREAT character.
Remember Coach! From this episode onwards, Kageyama is not a goody two shoes and he became the King of the Court, except this time, it is meant in a positive way and not in the negative way as it was used to mention to him in junior high.
That rolling thunder edit was beautiful
I love how coach noticed the thought process of kageyama its kinda funny but its true that he have to keep track of many things specially now that his teammates started to tell him what they need/want and having all these personalities and game situation and player condition, you really appreciate how setters have to think of all these things when giving a toss 😆
Anybody else pick up on how, when Hinata came down after placing the towel on Kageyama's head to "crown" him, he almost landed in a kneeling position?
The animator is having a field day with these edits. Like the Rolling thunder bits. 🤣
For me, this is one of the most important episode for Karasuno as a Team. Kageyama become a monster for now on. Loved the reaction too and I loved the meme with Noya's Rolling Thunder editor, keep the good work
Probably one of my favorite episodes of the series. Kageyama’s character arc is so well-written
- Actually, I will point at 35.00, when Takeda-sensei talking about the team.
- Third years are really happy/lucky about their first years, how much they bring to the team (concrete desire to win, more drive, Hinata's positivity and others).
- But it's the same for first years. They're SO LUCKY to have their third and second years(who they are): they can evolve, communicate and play way better because senpais are watching/supporting them. And especially it goes to Kageyama, who was needed the most help from them (support environment, ideal for the growing healthy king).
- Of course, Hinata was needed for Kageyama too, but that's another thing to discuss.
One of the S4 episodes we were all waiting for, for sure. Kageyama's finding ways to grow as the exceptional talent he is while also lifting up Karasuna to be better than they have been. Meanwhile Hinata is growing more and more cerebral about the sport instead of leaning so hard on instincts and reflexes. But none of that happens without a great coach, and I had a lot of fun seeing you clue in to the mentality that Ukai (and Tanaka-sensei) as well as Suga had wrt growth. It's something I've been figuring out to as a new teacher. Some times you have to let them sort things about between themselves and learn how to communicate. Teaching at someone doesn't work as effectively as letting them find a community to learn together. And then when shit hits the fan you course correct a bit to keep people on the right path. Great episode, can't wait for the refurbished S4E8!
Man asahi is soo relatable to me, I'm very anxious and sensitive tbh, so his comments about the way kageyama communicates with him are exactly how I would respond, like he would like for kageyama to talk to him in a nicer way but also to be direct and not try to hide things that might be bothering
I love how the editor just freely put some funny edits in between Coach Donny's reaction, it just made this video even more entertaining. Looking forward to your second reaction to Episode 8, Coach!
As an introvert myself, one of the most relatable things about Kageyama is that he doesn't want to rock the boat. It's not just about doing what other people want - he's been avoiding doing ANYTHING that could lead to a conflict with his team. That included talking things out to see what they can tolerate, and what they deem acceptable behavior.
Of course, it's better if everyone gets along, but avoiding confrontation is unhealthy, and it just eventually builds up to a boiling point.
Really like the editor and his style of editing. The transitions are very good love them
Competitiviness is really something to be aware of. I remember being really upset when I was playing some matches, and I had teammates that were there just because they had nothing more to do. I think no matter what you do in life, you need a friend that matches your level of competitiviness, not bellow nor above, just the same level, otherwise it will be a frustrated relationship.
100% agree. most of us start off with friends who just want to play, eventually some will have a greater drive and progress faster than others. I’ve seen divide in friendships because super competitive people get frustrated at the casual players. if you’re a competitive player - you need to make sure the rest of your team’s purpose and priorities are aligned with yours, otherwise you need to manage your expectations
I keep getting more and more impressed by editor-san's work in each episode. All the editing in this brings out so much character, and I love that!
Keep up the good work, but don't push yourself too hard, you're doing great!
The editing just gets better and better
The memes are just so *Chef's kiss*
Ogod that rolling thunder edit was so good. HITTING THE TEACHER IN THE FACE! 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Japanese is all about being passive and suggestive rather than direct. Kageyama is the verbal equivalent of a wrecking ball with absolutely no finesse. Even people like Tanaka and Nishinoya are capable of deference, so when Kageyama approaches things with absolutely no sense of where he stands in a social group hierarchy--his directness to those older than him like Nishinoya--it gets testy. And as is pointed out a few times in the show, Tanaka is more likely to get angry on someone else's behalf rather than his own, seeing as he somewhat views himself like the team enforcer.
Based on my observation: I want to add that the All-Japan libero, Motoya Kimori was being praised by not blocking attackers whenever he's digging or doing rolling at All Japan Youth training. I'm sure that's where Kageyama realized Nishinoya's bad habits of blocking attacker.
Note: Remember that Yamaguchi's observation of Serve and Block lol
It's so wholesome to see them get better at communicating with eachother. I am so hyped for a certain moment later on, where this really becomes important, as Kageyama pushes and helps a teammate out of a dip in performance through his trust in them.
I cannot believe the editor brought back the shooting star meme, I'm speechless
To the editor who made the rolling thunder clip, it was hilarious. good work! 😊
Hi Coach! I grew up in an immigrant household! However, the Latin culture wasn't really instilled in us as we were not anywhere that other Latinx people lived (Southern Louisiana), nor did we have Telemundo or other Spanish language channels until after I had entered high school. My mom did make tortillas, tamales, empanadas, and pupusas! Her food was a big hit with all our friends! 😊 Being from the South though, did make respect and hospitality paramount. All the adults would be addressed as Ms. / Mr. First Name if they were family friends, or addressed with their surname in school or other professional settings. And you better answer every question with a ma'am or sir at the end! In my customer service jobs you were encouraged to treat people as if they were a guest in your home. and 'kill them with kindness' i.e. you put on a smile, and cater to their requests so they can leave happy. THEN you can make fun of them! 😂
Pupusas!? My man! Another Salvadorian here! Those are just a cuisine gift from the mayan gods.
I think Hinata gets pushy when he sees talented players chicken out on certain things because he knows they can do it and that he wants to be able to overcome those talents at their full potential.
It's really good to know that Hinata has grown.
OH MY GOD?? THE EDITING IS SO GOOD !!
I feel like the story does this intentionally to make the players seem older than their canonical age, but it's always weird to me that the characters refer to "back in junior high," when in reality it was less than a year ago for them. Kageyama and Hinata's first encounter in their final year of middle school was at the end of the previous school year. Likewise for Kageyama's incident where his teammates refused to hit his sets. These are very fresh events and memories, but the dialogue makes it seem like years and years ago.
A shoutout to the editor 💟🗯
The rolling thunder part was so funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Karasuno didn't play Dateko at Haruko, they did beat them in the inter high though, but Dateko and Seijoh played at Haruko for the semi final spot against Karasuno
OMFG YOUR EDITOR IS AMAZING! THAT NISHINOYA BREAKDANCE EDIT WAS INCREDIBLE!
Don matter if the video wasnt 4k as a gift, at least mr. Editor gave us a flippin hilarious clip of nishinoya in the beginning xDDDD
The new editor is pretty good!!!
This is one of my favorite episodes! The animation is great, especially the scene where Kageyama gets crowned, and the message behind the episode is amazing. A team needs to communicate in order to succeed and they need to push each other to get better and reach new heights (literally in Tsukki’s case)
Hahaha I love the Shootingstar Meme, I would like to double like the video
6:26 omg I can't stop laughing 😂😂😂
Yesss finally this episode is so cool, because its so important for Kageyamas growth
So yeah, I really like this anime because we've seen so much improvement because there was conflict because there was a fight.
remember when hinata was still closing his eyes and he felt like he needed to change, but everyone gave hinata a hard time, kageyama told him to keep doing what works and ukai didnt really have an idea on how hinata could improve, but hinata stumbled his way thru the dark and slowly came to level up
same thing happened when he was a ball boy, ushiwaka and washijo sensei similar to kageyama put hinata down but he still rebelled and fought his way.
in my teen years becasue i was a loner and i have read lots of things on the internet and thought about my experience in life ( all basically failures) I like hinata knew that i had to do something, and i know that no other person could help me directly, sometimes they tell me that im wrong and i need to keep focus on the same things and sometimes they try to help me like coach ukai took hinata to his grandfather in hopes of hinata finding his way.
to this day i have the same mentality, i still keep my views becasue that's what i believe im missing, it's not clear and very hazy in terms of waht is actually my problem and how do i break thru. and the same people still tell me that im wrong.
I have never really had a breakthru, casue mostly im retarded LMAO im not like hinata which is secretly a genius and has incredible talent if you tell me but i just hope you would look out for kids like me. i never had broken out of my rut from being stupid and being unable to learn things well but I hope you can while they're still young and in high-school.
Coach, you were 100% CORRECT in your last reaction when you guessed why Kageyama yelled at Nishinoya. Nishinoya had gotten in the way of the back line approach. I didnt wanna spoil anything so I didnt comment last time but I was SO STOKED that you called it perfectly!
6:22 OMG I'm dying XDDD Kudos to the editor!!
I love the editing and jokes in this video!
Coach Donny’s videos are the best, especially after long trips and plane flights
Also I got a volleyball and volleyball lessons for Christmas and I couldn’t be happier,, how does my entire family know about my volleyball obsession-
Haha that was a fun edit of Noya there!
I did not kew I needed the Rolling thunder- deouble meme until now... thank you
6:22 MORE OF THIS PLEASE!!! I KEEP REWINDING LOL
this is one of my favourite haikyuu episode because it shows how perfect karasuno is to kageyama especially as a team. His middleschool team could've handled kageyama this way and vice versa but they were all too young to understand the concept of proper communication. I do think that if kageyama didnt go to karasuno he will still be the same player he was during middleschool or if not he would have such a hard time growing as a player.
Thanks for your reaction this week Coach! I also want to give an appreciation to the editor! Lots of laughs and giggles from me during the video, especially coach's head shaking to the ending song
I don't really comment on your videos, but I really loved the editing on this episode. Kudos to you Editor-san.
honestly same for all of yt. glad to you have you here!
Wow the edits in the intro are improved ,great job👍🏻
6:27 The coach did not just do that 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Imma dieing 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣
That nishinoya rolling thunder meme montage was funny. Good editing!