What's wrong with this $10K Engine Hoist? OTC 1820 HD Cherry Picker.
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- In this video we are working on a used super heavy duty Cherry Picker Engine Hoist, is it fixable or do we need a new cylinder? Thanks for watching. @AdeptApe on Venmo or AdeptApe@yahoo.com on PayPal for donations, thank you so much for supporting the channel!
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A little different style video, but trying to get you more content than before. Have a truck job today, so wish me luck. Let me know if you guys know where to get this dang ram without spending a small fortune. @AdeptApe on Venmo or AdeptApe@yahoo.com on PayPal for donations, thank you so much for supporting the channel!
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just change the seal yo, or put a cylinder from some front loader on it. adapt, adept.
Do you have or have you thought of doing monthly channel subscriptions? You could do a monthly bloopers reel or a “live” for the subscribers. 🤷🏼♀️
Or even doing a “live” planned show on your channel for everyone to watch? People give really good donations in a live chat.
So happy for you! 😊😊😊
I use Hercules US for my hydraulic needs. Love the content.
Love the new content. It is different but a good different. 😊
Harbor Freight sells an 8 ton air over hydraulic ram for engine cranes.
Your the fourth RUclips mechanic that I follow who left a dealership because of videos made during work hours. I wish you the best!!
Which other tubers are you talking about just wondering?
@@cj1613ericthecarguy being one, he started at a Honda dealer.
Who are the other three
Rainman ray’s repairs is another one
Another guy worked at CAT and now does his own thing
When I was a pup, learning at Dad's side and asking 20 questions, my first "E-clip" was called a "Jesus clip" by my Dad. I asked why that was and he said: "Because, if you don't catch it when it comes off and flies across the floor, you'll be saying Jesus, where did that go?". Lesson learned.
Any hydraulic shop worth anything should be able to set you up with a new piece of tubing , cut off the old one , thread one end, reweld new tubing and bingo your back in business ! Good luck
Bro the screaming goat of destruction gets me rolling every time.
Even with the ram bad, you got an awesome deal.
I agree, I would have never bought this thing new.
The top seal only has one purpose and that is keeping the dirt out. The cylinder can be honed and fitted with oversized seal. Often done on forklift cylinders which I work on. What a joy it is to see you in your own shop by the way. Greetings from 🇩🇰
This is an unvented single acting cylinder, the top seal is for pressure, the yellow band on the piston is a wear band to stabilize the rod / piston.
@@bobroberts2371 This isn't a displacement ram bud, clearly a piston seal and just a dust wiper in the cap.
@bobroberts2371
Bro...
@@deezelfairy I don't see a vent or return line from the cap end of the cylinder. This tells me that the rod seal is for pressure and piston a wear band. If the piston seal is for pressure and rod seal a wiper / dust seal as you say, where will minor piston seal leakage go? Even without leakage you would be compressing air during extension.
@@bobroberts2371I've seen plenty of conventional single acting rams (not displacement) without a vent.
Air will vent out past the wiper.
Any bypassed oil will leak past the wiper also - exactly as this cylinder was doing in the video
Carry on doing what you're doing!
It doesn't matter what you wear, with your knowledge, you walk as a God among the mortals.
Ha Ha, more like a mechanic among mortals, that would have been a better channel name than Adept Ape, dang it!!!
I'm a hydraulic mechanic in the Netherlands. Those are some steep prices for a simple cilinder, probably its even cheapest to get a new tube sawn of, welded and turned at a specialist shop and keep the ram but it'll be close to a brand new cilinder. You can also get your self a secondhand one, the stroke doesn't matter that much to be exactly the same. You can use a two way cilinder aswell and put a breather on it.
good answer
In theory, no fluid--or very little fluid--would be on the top side of the piston. Piston seals are bypassing, because of the pitting, allowing the fluid to leak the piston until it's forced out the ram seal. That top seal isn't a pressure seal but is primarily to keep dirt/water/etc. from getting inside and ruining the piston seals. But that cylinder is toast! Someone previously tried to replace all the seals, but the cylinder negated any new seals.
You are correct and I realize this at the end of the video.
Surplus Center Lincoln NE
I would bring that cylinder to a good hydraulic shop for possible options
I work on garbage compactors & I wish pins came out that easy! Glad the safety glasses weren't just a 'CAT' thing ;)
It's all in the wrists HA HA!!!
A little grinding, sanding and painting will make that hoist look as good as new. We all have to start somewhere, the problem is just starting. Enjoyed the video!
With a little maintenance, that old iron will work just fine for the rest of his life.
Good luck on being an indepent tech! I am a John Deere tech and have had to reseal quite a few cylinders, just so you know, its unwise to use compressed air to disassemble cylinders with compressed air. They can shoot across the shop and damage things while flying. If one is stuck and dont want to come apart i usually hook it to a hitch of a pickup and yank it with a forklift or pickup, with a pallet or something under it to catch it.
X1000!
I got lucky learning my lesson about compressed air. Nobody got hurt!
Time 357 , that square block at the bottom of the cylinder is a velocity fuse. This is used to block the ram if a hose fails / the lowering valve is wide open the arm does not fall to the floor. This is also used on forklifts and other equipment.
They can click it like this--> 3:57
Back around 2004 or so, we had the "nut end" of the ram snap off inside the main boom cylinder of a backhoe which DROPPED the entire boom and hammer attachment INSTANTLY to the ground. Can't remember the hour meter or warranty details but dealer service fixed it good as new.
They tell me now that since then, that design has been eliminated and changed into a rigid safety spec & it's impossible for "free fall" anymore. I never learned why. Always fascinated me due to this accident.
Maybe that velocity fuse idea is now integral in the big rams. But I still won't allow ANYONE under a raised boom. ANYWHERE. EVER.
(Yep, I'm "that guy" on the jobsite lol-I don't care what they say-nobody under raised booms)
Cheers!
@@philipchesley9615 I'm aware of how to make a clickable time however, sometimes You Tube goes on a rampage and blocks ANYTHING that is clickable.
It will take a little bit of time, but I agree with the majority of responses. Enjoy the freedom before you’ll be dreaming of free time.
My husband switched jobs in September. All of his owner/operators are calling and taking up his free time. Good thing he has an “easy” job now with a 3 day weekend. We have 2 trucks in our home shop and 3 more scheduled out for complete overhauls. Plus the “simple” jobs of DOT insp & oil changes that get squeezed in. 😊
I’m so happy you became independent. So many couldn’t make that choice. The cost of health & shop/work insurance is crazy. Your right’s for freedom, independence, & creativity are priceless. You got this!! 😊
Well it is a little more stressful it seems, but that could be because I ran out of coffee and had to drink decaf the last couple days.
@@AdeptApe That's much scarier than having too many customers and not enough time, pls fix for optimal Ape results
@@AdeptApeAck! I am self-employed and the thought of no coffee is terrifying.
That’s a steal for 1,500 dollars. I would have loved to have that when I was doing engines all the time. I had to use a forklift or my crane on my truck. I have an automotive size engine hoist for gas engines. I would have rather had one like you have. Nice find! When ever I rebuild cylinders like the one on your lift, I ditch any rubber seals and opt for urethane seals for both gland cup and wiper seals, and piston seals. And I’d probably run a hone down the barrel. Of course with it disconnected so to be able to flush out honing debris. And I’d chamfer that pin hole with a rol-lock scotch brite wheel.
Hey buddy. I would try to find a long ball hone and clean that up. Worst case scenario you own a new tool. I would also replace the seals. On the end of the rod is the piston. Underneath that piston seal is an o ring. Even if the outer seal looks good the o ring could be cracked. There may even be an o-ring on the inner part of the piston, which seals it to the rod.
That brass part is called the rod guide. It keeps the rod straight in the barrel. You’re correct, that’s a dust seal or wiper seal. The lower part of it that you said was gouged is more than likely a split bushing, at least that’s what it would be on all the Deere cylinders I’ve built.
One more thing. DO NOT USED COMPRESSED AIR TO DISASSEMBLE A HYDRAULIC CYLINDER. It turns into a missile quickly. I know this because I shot a rod right between a group of people talking one time.
Neat! In the 80’s I spent several summers working in the machine shop at OTC while I was in college.
I like new new format. The old ones were great, but if you don't have a Cat engine they could get a little repetitive. Keep up the good work Josh and stay strong.
Used that exact OTC picker many years ago...those are about the best around and very versatile plus very compact for storage when not in use.
I've got a military engine hoist that will test the tensile strength of everything you forgot to remove. Picked it up at an auction long ago.
This OTC hoist has lots of life left and looks to be built to very high standards.
Used this same hoist for many years, it is the best one ever made and if the cylinder needs repair it is well worth it, even if it needs a new cylinder it is well worth it.
I enjoyed this video , I suppose I’m just so happy and excited for you I would watch you sweep your shop floor and be satisfied. I feel like I’m on your journey with you. Best of luck you deserve this Josh ,you put your time in and paid your dues and that is what matters.
Keep the variety coming Josh!
I've had worse than that line honed and rebuilt by my local hydraulic shop and they're still working to this day, while I've rebuilt my share of hydraulic cylinders I prefer to just drop them off and have them done
When you were pulling out the shaft (that doesn’t sound right 😅) you could hear the scraping of the metal. Wishing you the best on your venture. You have the experience, knowledge and confidence.
Road show to Idaho jaypay dirt has a hydraulic shop that he recommends and has had new rods made not sure on the barrels . Success, to you new endeavor ,your going to have to set up a index of shops to support repairs of items requiring special tooling / materials that just not worth doing / stocking because of cost and money flow .
That guy is a clown.
Very excited for this new chapter of the channel!
Best of luck going out on your own.... can be a little scarey at first but I bet it will be the best thing you ever did!
OTC have those listed as a "Crane" as a cherry picker is something all together different. Watch Wes Work did a episode on various hydraulic systems, when he was rebuilding his forklift.
You’re too good I’ve been in the same position Oilfield running help is a gift because that’s the hardest part dealing with eclipse employees but you can do whatever you want
Look Around and see if there isn't a cylinder shop or hydraulic shop nearby you see if they can give you a quote
There isn't one in my town and I don't feel like driving to another city right now. Looking online and seeing if I can source one that way first.
@@AdeptApetractor supply sells rams for tractors
@AdeptApe I sent you an email we have a shop over here in kalispell that can get her whipped into shape for you.
Thank You for sharing Josh! It was kind of sad when the cylinder turned out to be rusted. It was educational though and I appreciated sharing that experience with you. It could have happened to any of us. Sending lots of positive vibes your way.
Pretty great. A Day with Josh. Is a great new channel. Or Joshs Mechanical Adventures. Usually these jacks are garbage when this far. Definitely so exciting about your next shots and projects. Cheers Josh. Supporting as always 👊👍💪👊😉☺️❤️
Liking the new direction more things to rebuild and address than just trucks !
You're doing great Josh, just keep doing what you're doing and you'll be fine.
That's a steal at 1500 bucks
I agree 😊😊
Used air one time on a 235 stick cylinder. Rod went through the shop wall, killed the air compressor and a bench grinder on the way out.
That's what happens when idiots are left unattended. Don't bother restraining the rod... jam 150 psi to the barrel.. act shocked.
@@Failure_Is_An_Option you were there?
I hope you find a lot of new success. You have great skills.
Glad to see videos once again! Thanks!
My bud works at a metal fab shop with a hydraulic one of these. They got it for free because it was leaking oil and all they did was tighten one fitting which fixed the leak.
never ever use air to remove rods from cylinders. stand them up and use a lifting device to pull the ram from the cylinder bore.
You got a steal on that! Don’t ever be afraid of some missing paint and a little surface rust 👍
You can buy you one of those air over hydraulic pumps to convert that at hobo freight, I bought one years ago but I think they're still a little over a hundred bucks. Makes it a whole lot easier when you're working by yourself.
You will like that we have two of them in our shop they will only lift the 4400 lbs but there extremely sturdy
Enjoyed it. I had never seen the inside of a ram.
Props on going solo
OTC is excellent stuff....money well spent here!
I know from experience some stomach butterflies come with opening your own biz
But adrenaline too!....The kind you can't get any other way...and the self satisfaction you get at end of day at home. It never goes away...refreshes with every customer phone call..'what 'cha got?'
Whole family is bound to be energized! And your kids get to be a part of whole thing.....they're far, far more likely to be independent themselves!
If there’s any hyd, shops near you sometimes they can make up a tube, barrel, I don’t know what that would cost though
I know you were working one handed but, to speed up the process in the future, you can lift the boom by hand, it will suck hydraulic fluid into the ram, and it stays in place of where you lifted it. Makes having things up a lot quicker. Same for floor jacks. 🤘
If there is local hydraulic repair shop nearby, it may be less expensive to have a new barrel put on than buying a complete new ram. Can't hurt to check.
Most of those cherry pickers are hydraulic up gravity down and so the piston seal to barrel are the bad one and the oil coming out when ya get to the top because that's how much oil is sitting on top of the piston your likely going to tell us that i am only couple minutes in. mostly making a comment to help channel! GO JOSH GO.
"Lip seal" is a wiper seal and, you guessed it, it's there to keep stuff out, not in. That bronze bushing looked shot as well, gouges are bad. Take it to a hydraulic repair shop, they can build a new one pretty easy.
All in all you're looking at still paying less than half price for the hoist, so not a bad deal overall.
That’s a hell of a great buy and nice addition to the shop equipment
Surplus center, Lincoln Nebraska. They have a large selection of cylinders decent prices
Always wonder with his talent how before he opened his own repair business...Top Notch Cat Engine Man.. Best of luck.
We've got the same one at work but it does have an electric pump. All it does is gets moved around the shop to make room for projects lol. We do have hoists so they get used instead. Plus it isn't going to reach things on the stuff we normally work on.
You can get cylinder barrels sleeved. I'm from Wisconsin and the Amish are good machinists. Just find a place bring the barrel and piston in and they will fix it up
Send the cylinder to Mountain Plating in Saint Maries, ID, they will give you free quote, can build you new tube.
As far as it goes you could either rebarrel that cylinder or possibly rebore and make a new piston. Provided the wall thickness allows sufficient material remains. You do not want to eliminate the drop safety valve on the cylinder
The chrome plating is why cylinders are expensive. Also the seal on the brass piece is called a wiper seal it's just meant to keep dirt and debris out.
Looking forward to your future endeavors!
Keep with it I know working for your self ain’t all what you want to do but it is worth it In the end
I have worked with one of these, it was a pain in the butt. Over head hoist works so much better.
Go to the farm equipment junk yard you should find something close enough on a stack wagon or a combine.
Get the OTC replacement. CHANGE THE OIL AND MAKE SURE THE TANK IS CLEAN. Get the owners manual, parts manual, shop manual. I think the ratings on the side of the boom refer to whether the inside boom section is scoped in or out. Check the manual to see if boom angle is taken into account. Checking the hoses would probably be advisable. Since this unit will be hoisting large items that you will be working in close proximity to almost every day, make sure it is in proper shape, so you will stay that way as well. Protect your family. Looking forward to your continued success. Take care. If you get stuck, and have to leave the hoist out over night, cover it up.
Fluid bypassing the seal on the piston and leaking out the top seal, overhaul with genuine parts and correct oil, will work for another 20 years until seals shrink again.
I predict you'll be turning down business or hiring a helper within 3 months Good luck.
Hiring a helper, funniest thing I've heard in a month.
I would “second” that statement…, if he chooses to get that busy…, but no doubt people will be beatin on the doors…
I say it’s’ smokin deal at that price. That kind of used equipment (even with surface rust and cylinder repair etc.,), is only going to get more expensive, given the economic climate. The price for a ram seems high, might look at a whole new or reman unit. You will still be ahead.
On a side note, given the good terms of your separation from Western States, they would be exercising sound business practice in utilizing you in subsequent contract work.., or at least giving you a call.
Great video
Thank you sir.
You probably only need the pipe section! A good hydraulic shop should be able to make one up pretty easily! You can try to hone it, but depending how bad it is, it’s going to be hit or miss! I would definitely try a hydraulic shop first! Maybe they need some truck service work done 🤷🤷🤷🤷!
You probably only need the pipe section! A good hydraulic shop should be able to make one up pretty easily! You can try to hone it, but depending how bad it is, it’s going to be hit or miss! I would definitely try a hydraulic shop first! Maybe they need some truck service work done 🤷🤷🤷🤷!
A great move You need to start your equipment purchases with smart buys like this Make sure you get it appraised when your done(quick paint and hydraulic work, also a air over hydraulic remote pendant hoist is a great addition) Often over looked is not accounting for your tools actual cost That's a $6000. asset You should be credited for. You might be able to get a reman ram
Like the new format.
Late model fork truck w/side shit was the best investment ever. Paid 6 grand 10 years ago, no failures yet.
Josh, all your content is interesting. Don't worry about the subject, just make your vids, they're all great. Best wishes for huge success with your new venture in wrenchin' on your own.
Not a hydraulics expert myself, but I bet a hydraulics shop would refurb that cylinder, up-size the glands and seals, and move forward with it. Not sure how much could be removed from that inner wall without affecting the rating of the ram. Curious how much damage happened to it on the inside.
I think this is the start of something massive for you josh....Good luck mate
I liked this video. Regardless, you still got that hoist for a song! Nice score.
Been subscribed a long time - first comment. The channel Cutting Edge Engineering Australia, has many videos refitting / rebuilding hydraulic cylinder's. He uses a lathe to part the old steel eye from the damaged cylinder. Cylinder's are usually mated to the eye using an interference fit and welded in place. The lathe is used to remove the old weld, and prep the new cylinder for welding. During the eye removal, Its important to stop the lathe before you cut into the eye itself- once the weld is removed a hammer or torch will release the eye from the old cylinder
Whats unusual about your cylinder gland - the assembly appears to have a dust seal only? Is it missing a composite bushing or O Ring that sits within the gland seal nut? With those deep gouges you are probably better to find a replacement nut or make a new one.
It might be possible to source another complete cylinder off a destroyed excavator, but again the connecting ends must be retrofitted and of-course the travel must be correct. Honing the old cylinder is an imperfect solution unless you have a large honing table and then adjust the piston composite rings and rubber o rings to compensate / fit the new diameter - Honing the old cylinder, may be more work than its worth. Good Luck.
Good job bud. Keep going no matter what
They do sell packing kits for those and if I remember they were pretty inexpensive.👍
Your new format reminds me of TwinStickGarage - another good channel.
Nice to see you happy and on your own Josh. Cheers.
Hey! Your shop jacket is ripped!!! 😄😄😄
Good to see you working for ‘yourself’ Josh.
There must be somewhere that does those or that kind of cylinder as far as I’m concerned that’s a ‘score’ of a purchase .. $1300 seems a bit steep but it’s an 8-10 grand piece.. hoping you get a good deal somewhere..
Yup, the barrel of that cylinder is pooched unfortunately.
Might be worth taking it to a local hydraulic cylinder repair shop. They will be able to make a new barrel and it's not always as expensive as you think.
You can buy Hydraulic cylinder tubing and have a machine shop thread the ends (the cylinder is most likely threaded into the base) If not they can machine the old tube out and weld in the new one.
Get to a breakers yard and find a cylinder slightly bigger, job done 😊
Been watching you since almost the beginning of the channel - really excited for everything to come !!
Dunno what the machinist scene is like up there, but you might be able to have a new barrel made for half that if your rod is in good shape.
Pocatello used to have the Navy's large-bore gun factory, and a bunch of supporting industry, but thats been a long time ago.
Thanks!
Thank you so much Joe!
Josh.
If you have a local hydraulic shop that is full service, they can likely repair the cylinder by boring and resealing. They might put a bigger piston in it.
Lots of options if you have a talented shop in your area… including selling you a replacement.
I like these kind of videos. Good luck with your new venture! Keep em coming.
Try looking on vevor... I've had good luck with them. I'd get a air over hydraulic cylinder if I could.
I would have loaded it up and took it to WESCO hydraulic shop. I am sure they would have given you a good deal.
I would hone it, put it back together with a new seal kit and test it. Then start looking for an replacement cylinder. The worst it's going to do is leak.
It actually was the rod seal, it let water in and the water settled down under the oil at the piston level. Thats insane that it got that bad though
I wanna see another pickup truck video, Josh. Love that truck you bought.
I wonder if one of those air hydraulic cylinders from Harbor freight would work. Im not a HF fan but thats what I did with my cherry picker because I am too lazy to pump the handle
Sweet score man
Amazon yourself a sun cylinder hone, 34mm to 60mm they are $80 and I used it to team my kingpin on my Freightliner, worked awesome, edit it's a precision four stone hone
Just sneak it into the shop in Liberty lake. 😉 They won't work on my cylinders either after the last go around it was the biggest cylinder and longest they had seen. It is fixed and not leaking but they don't want to see it come back.
Hope u get lucky on cylinder bud..Allways have enjoyed your vids guy
It may make more finacial sense to simply replace it in its entirety. You see if the honing process would sufficient to try and correct the problem in the barrel. It would be oversized so a new ram may need to be fabricated, the current ram would need to mic"d to ensure no wear spits on the exterior, plus checked for straightness... but that only if the chrome itself isnt overly damaged, and through the camera it looked a bit rough. You would also need to do complete reseal, and oversozed for the barrel. I dont know machine shops near would charge to check it and spec it out. Simply replacing the entire thing, and then somewhere down the line think about a complete rebuild of this one. It would get the lift up and running sooner than later and save you a bit of money in the mean time. Thank you for another wonderful video, and praying for much success in your new emdeavor.🙏💜
Dude, that's awesome--pulling big engines is a pain without one of these. Most guys I see on YT use telehandlers, but what if you ain't got a telehandler? "Time to do some sketchy shit, doo-dah, doo-dah." OR be a clever ape and find one of these for a steal of a deal, like you did. Super nice, super jealous.
Hi 👋🏻 Josh 😊 loved your new video content 👍🏻 Looking forward to following your new journey 😀 Cheers Stevie 🏴