See how everyone feels about the 16 Star run is how I feel about the Metroid Zero Mission World Record like.... Where is the mistake. Where is the time loss. Cos I sure as shit don't see any
I wasn't expecting to see Fire Sea BLJ anytime soon in 16 star, but it is due time for 0 and 1 star to implement it. The timesave is simply too juicy for such short categories
The beautiful thing about speedrunning is how new strats and timesaves get incorporated into the run over time, and it's going to be a crazy year for SM64 ahead, I can feel it. Loving the content, keep it up!
Does anyone remember the Matthias Rustemeyer saga in Mario Kart 64, where he got so close to holding every WR category simultaneously, but the community rose to the occasion, and kept picking off his records just as he almost got the sweep. I'm hopeful that a similarly dramatic period will unfold in Mario 64 now, with a sort of reversal of rolls, where Suigi finds a way to jump from category to category, preserving his sweep, as the community attacks from all sides to break the sweep.
Matthias spent years trying to get every world record in MK64 but ultimately fell short. One of his rivals later went on to achieve this feat by hoarding multiple world records at once and not releasing them immediately to give him an unfair advantage since the community wouldn’t know would records they would need to improve and would also have more to deal with when the WR dump would happen.
@@brandonhowell9520 very short answer: yes Short answer: Watch SummoningSalt video about Matthias Vs Dan and then watch Abyssoft video about it for the outcome Long answer: Matthias Rustemeyer is basically the best MK64 player of all time, by the time he joined the community and started getting World Records nobody was close to his records, Matthias was gona try get all 32 world records and then the community in a competitive spirit tried to stop him in numerous times, in a desperate attempt Dan Burbank hoarded many records and released them all at the same time so Matthias couldn't recover and by doing so Dan snitched his way to the 32/32 in the scummiest way possible.
It was a nearly flawless execution of the known strats at the time. I don't think anyone ever thought it was literally perfect or that new strats could never be discovered.
Nice video! This truly is an exiting time to be a fan of SM64 speed running! Really excited to see if the 14:35 will be beaten in 2025. I don’t think it is realistic to get the same amazing MIPS clip again in an actual run so the time saves for all the other tricks must also compensate for that. I guess only time will tell 🙂
Story of every speedrun world record, omg it’s never going to be beaten. 1 year later, new glitch found, breaks everything and it now takes half the time
The pacing of this video was fantastic! … the effects were awesome and didn’t feel too much, instead they just added to what I was hearing you say … i agree with another commenter, one of your best videos yet
I think it’s unfair to say that Slip isn’t capable of beating the WR but weegee is, despite slip having the better PB and running the category more actively. Both are capable IMO. Good video though
definitely understand that and I love slip, but he hasn't rly had any insane runs that could beat the 14:35 yet, but I think he is def on track to get there esp if he were to add smn like fsblj
There's also Krythalith's setup for LJBLJ (Lobby Stairs Backwards Long Jump), a faster way to get into Dark World that saves around 5 seconds but requires godlike mashing. It doesn't seem like runners want to implement this yet but with the record so tight I could see it happening eventually, since it's right at the very beginning of the run
Is it so different from when cg replaced props? Won’t we just find new ways to work with the tools available to do more interesting things? There will be a Michael bay who ruins everything he touches by over-utilizing the new tools, but there’ll be Spielbergs who walk an interesting line too
Great video! If Weegee is grinding the category now it's really a matter of time, but not so much because of new strats, mostly because Weegee is good enough to take the record in any category if he is motivated to do it. It's going to be pretty tough though. Even if the next record implements all of the new time saves it will need to be nearly flawless in every part of the run to beat Suigi's record.
This. Not only do you have to incorporate all these new strategies, you still have to perform them and the rest of the run nearly flawlessly. Possible, yes. But it's still going to be very hard
Just want to say thanks for making these videos Trey! While i tune in to some sm64 speedrun streams every now and then it's easy to miss these bigger trends and goals of the community. Love your videos, your stuff is a very welcome addition to the speedrun content on youtube 🥰 //dedecimator
As someone who’s been spectating SM64 speedrunning, both RTA and TAS, for nearly 2 decades now… I’mma be real, the ultimate RTA SM64 speedrun in each non-120 star category is gonna have to use a BLJ on the elevator to the pipe in BiTS. That’s my postulate for now.
I realized something about Suigi's runs: he plays so immaculately that mistakes seem obvious when watching (this is more apparent in his 70 and 120 runs). I love watching both Suigi and Weegee grind/practice, since it clearly shows that practice is a major key to their success.
This is the best video yet at explaining the path to beating 14:35. Whenever I watch a speedrunning video this well done, I wonder if Karl Jobst is going to make his own version of this video topic linking back here. I've been right about that multiple times already.
Considering that Carpetless is basically mandatory in 120 star for WR (an hour and a half into a good run btw), it's hard to rule out any strat as being off the table these days.
Hello, There is another trick that could save around 4-5secs. Instead of the normal LBLJ, you could BLJ on the first left stairs, so you would skip the door animations. It will take some time to clip the door, but it would be faster. This trick is humanly possible, but really hard. (There's a TAS variation of this where you pause buffer, but I don't mean that.)
A perfect speedrun performed by humans doesn't exist but when speedruns come to the point of the most optimized strats and even tas strats, it's quite capable that human expectations can be beaten with the mindset to grind. You know a run is getting pretty optimized when the timesave is in the details to save half a second here and there.
nice video :) i remember being so heartbroken when you're at a 6:55 pace with a crazy fs blj then choked to bljs there's actually a timesave at the bowser throw, it doesn't come from approaching either left or right but rather the bomb order, i heard it's used in IL runs but weegee did it on his current one star pb but it's hard due to landing the second one because you bounce instead of instantly hitting it but i can totally see it being implemented in runs
yeee i’ve done this a bit, i’ve found that just doing the normal order is consistently very fast but it does save a bit of time if things go perfectly, probably about .2-3
I get that it’s possible but to get all that adds more chances for mistakes and the probability of hitting all those is like hitting the lotto I think suigis run and Minecraft wr are gonna be the longest lasting spr for a while
Just a curiosity since you didn't bring it up: are we considering the punch out of the door for Mips a strat in the route? Because, as far as I understood, it's a very lucky and rare case that saves a whole second, so strat wise I'd assume it would be better to remove 1s off the calculations? Or instead runners are anyway aiming for that punch and so it will eventually be landed together with the rest? Or instead there's now a setup for it?
@@treybordo yeah, obviously you can still beat it with a slower Mips, I was wondering about the time estimate, but nice to hear there's a faster setup!
@@Nico2718_ With the faster setup it's possible to tie suigi's segment so I just didn't mention it. It's the same odds as before, so I didn't think of it as a timeloss/save but it is around a second if it isn't hit
2:39, en estos dias hice un TAS de 16 estrellas e hice ese long jump canonless, luego intenté hacerlo mediante RTA y me resultó mas fscil que el canonless normal que usa suigi, no sé por qué nunca lo han usado 😅
I tought it was the perfect speedrun because Suigi didn't make a major mistake, that was the key to archived such time. The question here is, can he or anyone archive another run without any major or minor mistake?
Everyone forgets about 16 star no lblj(which should be main category imo)Finnii tied the record with many mistakes and on the American version of sm64.
I saw a video once about how original good functioning N64 controllers are becoming harder to obtain. Saw some metal thumb sticks that were being sold. What are speed runners using these days? I hear you can get new N64 controllers but they do not use the optical sensor (I think that is what is was called) and are just not the same. Has anything changed regarding this?Thanks
I'm pretty sure Slip does the double burn strat for Bully. Saying that this strat isn't viable because weegee and suigi aren't doing it /are saying it isn't viable, while at the same time suggesting Slip isn't capable of beating the WR (although I agree he is probably the least likely of the three to beat it) doesn't feel right to me. Otherwise great video
It only saves .2 and sometimes only ties a really good normal strat, I just don't think it's going to be done in the WR, would love to be proven wrong tho :)
Great video and extremely well explained and Paced! Which LBj;s in general to me not that you meant in general UI don't think... Are famous examples of spoeed run tech as they are what people want from watching a speed run as well as the effort and final time ofcorse... Unlike alot a major Pokemona nd Zelda speed run tech that people do hate as they change the game completely not that they are not as fun as SM64 speed runs just SM64 speed runs are the game done fast. And now with multiplayer mods most speed run tech can easly be used in multiplayer like manhaunt as well as normal cuasl play ofcorse... Unlike pokemon and Zelda which tend to look like holly hacking/cheatcodes over the game the viewer is nostogic for... So yeah personally I don't get the hate but I do see why most people don't like speedruns that massively change the game instead of it done fast...
Not everybody needs to stream to beat this. I’ve personally beaten it in 14:24 I don’t stream, believe what you want. I know what the truth is. Not everybody flaunts their talent
Check out these Runners!!
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Xandrey www.twitch.tv/xandrey64
See how everyone feels about the 16 Star run is how I feel about the Metroid Zero Mission World Record like.... Where is the mistake. Where is the time loss. Cos I sure as shit don't see any
I wasn't expecting to see Fire Sea BLJ anytime soon in 16 star, but it is due time for 0 and 1 star to implement it. The timesave is simply too juicy for such short categories
Suigi's already using it in 0/1 Star runs
@musicmashups yeah that's what the video is about. It just started now, it isn't there in the current WRs
@@linkmariofan8921 actually hes already using it in some of his 0 and 1 star runs
I wanna see fire sea pu blj
@@Shiftarus you dumb?
3:32 not gonna lie, I thought you were about to jump into a sponsorship segment, this is like exactly how youtubers sound for those transitions lmao
I genuinely pointed the mouse on the timebar to skip the ad, LOL
Lmfaoo I just knew we were gonna get told about “Square Space”
We all got super ptsd from those lol he was about to talk about life insurance
I thought it's gonns be Skillshare or NordVPN lol
he has been acquiring the youtube voice
The beautiful thing about speedrunning is how new strats and timesaves get incorporated into the run over time, and it's going to be a crazy year for SM64 ahead, I can feel it. Loving the content, keep it up!
One of your best vids yet
TAS = Treybordo Assisted Speedrun
treybordo assisted suigi
Does anyone remember the Matthias Rustemeyer saga in Mario Kart 64, where he got so close to holding every WR category simultaneously, but the community rose to the occasion, and kept picking off his records just as he almost got the sweep.
I'm hopeful that a similarly dramatic period will unfold in Mario 64 now, with a sort of reversal of rolls, where Suigi finds a way to jump from category to category, preserving his sweep, as the community attacks from all sides to break the sweep.
As long as someone does not hoard 💀
well... At least in this case the 1.0 was achieved
And yes, I am still mad for the hoarding
@@ozzcoremidmx8287 What's the context here? People holding records offline?
Matthias spent years trying to get every world record in MK64 but ultimately fell short. One of his rivals later went on to achieve this feat by hoarding multiple world records at once and not releasing them immediately to give him an unfair advantage since the community wouldn’t know would records they would need to improve and would also have more to deal with when the WR dump would happen.
@@brandonhowell9520 very short answer: yes
Short answer: Watch SummoningSalt video about Matthias Vs Dan and then watch Abyssoft video about it for the outcome
Long answer: Matthias Rustemeyer is basically the best MK64 player of all time, by the time he joined the community and started getting World Records nobody was close to his records, Matthias was gona try get all 32 world records and then the community in a competitive spirit tried to stop him in numerous times, in a desperate attempt Dan Burbank hoarded many records and released them all at the same time so Matthias couldn't recover and by doing so Dan snitched his way to the 32/32 in the scummiest way possible.
The music cues thing is so cool. It's very smart to pull from the blindfolded category.
I love how you got straight to the point and made everything super easy to understand! Great video man!
The hubris and short-sightedness needed to call a speedrun perfect astonishes me
stop yapping. it's perfect relative to the conditions
It was a nearly flawless execution of the known strats at the time. I don't think anyone ever thought it was literally perfect or that new strats could never be discovered.
yap
Hush up big man
Love your mentality. It's an unpopular opinion for sure but im all for it.
cool video! I wasn't aware that there had been so much progress in the shorter categories, excited to see where they go from here.
Really love your videos man, keep it up!
Great video man! So nice seeing someone document all the new strats and possibilities
Nice video! This truly is an exiting time to be a fan of SM64 speed running! Really excited to see if the 14:35 will be beaten in 2025. I don’t think it is realistic to get the same amazing MIPS clip again in an actual run so the time saves for all the other tricks must also compensate for that. I guess only time will tell 🙂
Wow, the routes for all of these levels have changed DRASTICALLY since I tried speedrunning as a teenager. 5 years and I guess that'll do it to you.
Sinep backwards
Story of every speedrun world record, omg it’s never going to be beaten. 1 year later, new glitch found, breaks everything and it now takes half the time
The pacing of this video was fantastic! … the effects were awesome and didn’t feel too much, instead they just added to what I was hearing you say … i agree with another commenter, one of your best videos yet
Fantastic video, very insightful and well explained. Love it! I wish I could speedrun this game
I think it’s unfair to say that Slip isn’t capable of beating the WR but weegee is, despite slip having the better PB and running the category more actively. Both are capable IMO. Good video though
definitely understand that and I love slip, but he hasn't rly had any insane runs that could beat the 14:35 yet, but I think he is def on track to get there esp if he were to add smn like fsblj
Came to look for this comment or make it.
There's also Krythalith's setup for LJBLJ (Lobby Stairs Backwards Long Jump), a faster way to get into Dark World that saves around 5 seconds but requires godlike mashing. It doesn't seem like runners want to implement this yet but with the record so tight I could see it happening eventually, since it's right at the very beginning of the run
Also fire sea Pu
@pew6534 I don't see PU BLJ being done in runs anytime soon since it's so much later in the run
Damn I remember you and suigi in SlipperyNips chat in 2020 or something and now I get recommended this is crazy. Good video man keep it up
Amazing video! These small advancements in mario are usually pretty hidden to the casual viewer and this shows it to everyone :)
Hi! I like to watch a lot of these kinds of videos and your vid here is excellent!! was really easy to follow and understand!
Can’t wait for the summoningsalt vid. Keep pushing boys, that perfect run is up to you!
not what i expected to see at 1:30am but okay, go off bordo 👏another banger as usual
Absolute legends 💪😂😂
Is it so different from when cg replaced props? Won’t we just find new ways to work with the tools available to do more interesting things? There will be a Michael bay who ruins everything he touches by over-utilizing the new tools, but there’ll be Spielbergs who walk an interesting line too
Ive called it for years now, bljs will be included more and more in the future.
Great video! If Weegee is grinding the category now it's really a matter of time, but not so much because of new strats, mostly because Weegee is good enough to take the record in any category if he is motivated to do it. It's going to be pretty tough though. Even if the next record implements all of the new time saves it will need to be nearly flawless in every part of the run to beat Suigi's record.
This. Not only do you have to incorporate all these new strategies, you still have to perform them and the rest of the run nearly flawlessly. Possible, yes. But it's still going to be very hard
im a believer in fire sea PU strat being rta viable in a couple of years
Yeah, i was about to ask about that.
I'm*
Krythalith does have a setup for this and was able to get it in an RTA run.
@@JorgetePanetethat wasnt a typo. some people just type like that (including me)
@JorgetePanete does it makes you feel smart do "correct" peoples stylistic choices. look up "whats stupid about linguistic prescriptivism"
Bro slick editing! Next level presentation
nah this is fire. got me hyped to watch more runs!
Just want to say thanks for making these videos Trey!
While i tune in to some sm64 speedrun streams every now and then it's easy to miss these bigger trends and goals of the community.
Love your videos, your stuff is a very welcome addition to the speedrun content on youtube 🥰
//dedecimator
Loved this video, thanks for putting the effort in 🙏
As someone who’s been spectating SM64 speedrunning, both RTA and TAS, for nearly 2 decades now… I’mma be real, the ultimate RTA SM64 speedrun in each non-120 star category is gonna have to use a BLJ on the elevator to the pipe in BiTS. That’s my postulate for now.
Well that's not even allowed for 70 star
@ oh oops you’re right lol
Mario, Wario.
Luigi, Waluigi.
Suigi, Weegee.
I realized something about Suigi's runs: he plays so immaculately that mistakes seem obvious when watching (this is more apparent in his 70 and 120 runs). I love watching both Suigi and Weegee grind/practice, since it clearly shows that practice is a major key to their success.
When you went to fire sea i thought it was going to be about the parallel universe Strat
love the wirtual and summoning salt inspiration
we have now TrWeeTAS: TreybordoWeegeeAssistedSpeedrun
This is the best video yet at explaining the path to beating 14:35. Whenever I watch a speedrunning video this well done, I wonder if Karl Jobst is going to make his own version of this video topic linking back here. I've been right about that multiple times already.
Amazing vid trey!
Considering that Carpetless is basically mandatory in 120 star for WR (an hour and a half into a good run btw), it's hard to rule out any strat as being off the table these days.
absolute slapper video
gr8 vid bruv
Damn dr. battle was right after all.
This is super exciting to see
4:22 I’ve been practicing this strat for ages not knowing it’s actually viable
16 Star is NOT dead!
I read that in that yelling banshee voice. My ears :o
Hello,
There is another trick that could save around 4-5secs.
Instead of the normal LBLJ, you could BLJ on the first left stairs, so you would skip the door animations. It will take some time to clip the door, but it would be faster. This trick is humanly possible, but really hard. (There's a TAS variation of this where you pause buffer, but I don't mean that.)
That's why I don't like statements like "This record will never be broken" or "this speedrun is impossible to beat".
Nobody with any sense in their head actually said that about the 14:35
Nice video as always trey
This was great, ty!
What a fantastic vid!
So about 4 seconds of time save, caveat: must have an essentially perfect run
Speedrunners never fail to impress!
Suigi vs Weegee, the battle of the century
A perfect speedrun performed by humans doesn't exist but when speedruns come to the point of the most optimized strats and even tas strats, it's quite capable that human expectations can be beaten with the mindset to grind. You know a run is getting pretty optimized when the timesave is in the details to save half a second here and there.
Smb1 is close to perfection only 22 frames off tas
That was a really good video
Weegy is in another level
nice video :) i remember being so heartbroken when you're at a 6:55 pace with a crazy fs blj then choked to bljs
there's actually a timesave at the bowser throw, it doesn't come from approaching either left or right but rather the bomb order, i heard it's used in IL runs but weegee did it on his current one star pb but it's hard due to landing the second one because you bounce instead of instantly hitting it but i can totally see it being implemented in runs
yeee i’ve done this a bit, i’ve found that just doing the normal order is consistently very fast but it does save a bit of time if things go perfectly, probably about .2-3
I get that it’s possible but to get all that adds more chances for mistakes and the probability of hitting all those is like hitting the lotto I think suigis run and Minecraft wr are gonna be the longest lasting spr for a while
Just a curiosity since you didn't bring it up: are we considering the punch out of the door for Mips a strat in the route? Because, as far as I understood, it's a very lucky and rare case that saves a whole second, so strat wise I'd assume it would be better to remove 1s off the calculations? Or instead runners are anyway aiming for that punch and so it will eventually be landed together with the rest? Or instead there's now a setup for it?
the overall setup for mips is just faster now from a riskier setup though it’s still very possible to beat the record without it
@@treybordo yeah, obviously you can still beat it with a slower Mips, I was wondering about the time estimate, but nice to hear there's a faster setup!
@@Nico2718_ With the faster setup it's possible to tie suigi's segment so I just didn't mention it. It's the same odds as before, so I didn't think of it as a timeloss/save but it is around a second if it isn't hit
Wait... that 16-star run was 1.5 years ago. How? How did time fly by so quickly? It felt like early 2024 if anything
wuigi and suigi are the new mario bros 🤔🤔🤔
Great video 🔥
I wonder what other places in the game have BLJs waiting to be discovered.
2:39, en estos dias hice un TAS de 16 estrellas e hice ese long jump canonless, luego intenté hacerlo mediante RTA y me resultó mas fscil que el canonless normal que usa suigi, no sé por qué nunca lo han usado 😅
very high quality video :)
Great video!
another bordo classic
Weegee is aiming to do exactly that. There is also that different lobby BLJs, but seems very hard
So in short, 16 star is on life support
Rare 1st ! Love your content man ! Sm64 speed run history is so interesting
YES!! more sm64:)
Where can I see more of those star times at 8:14 for other star runs?
why was sign clip in HMC not mentioned?
its nowhere near consistent and probably never will be
Yo great vid 👍
GG!!!
Is it possible to do flagpool glitch to get extra framerule?
Thanks i just watch your video and wirh in 5 minutes i can get this new trick thank you.
Are sign clips in HMC ever gonna be a viable time save for 16 star or is that going to be single star exclusive for the known future?
good shit bordo pack
very good video
Cool video
I tought it was the perfect speedrun because Suigi didn't make a major mistake, that was the key to archived such time. The question here is, can he or anyone archive another run without any major or minor mistake?
Everyone forgets about 16 star no lblj(which should be main category imo)Finnii tied the record with many mistakes and on the American version of sm64.
What about framewalk in darkworld?
Too bad there are 12 ads every ten mins on twitch... Unwatchable, I tried.
I saw a video once about how original good functioning N64 controllers are becoming harder to obtain. Saw some metal thumb sticks that were being sold. What are speed runners using these days? I hear you can get new N64 controllers but they do not use the optical sensor (I think that is what is was called) and are just not the same. Has anything changed regarding this?Thanks
Now HMC sign clip which saves 2 seconds
I'm pretty sure Slip does the double burn strat for Bully.
Saying that this strat isn't viable because weegee and suigi aren't doing it /are saying it isn't viable, while at the same time suggesting Slip isn't capable of beating the WR (although I agree he is probably the least likely of the three to beat it) doesn't feel right to me.
Otherwise great video
It only saves .2 and sometimes only ties a really good normal strat, I just don't think it's going to be done in the WR, would love to be proven wrong tho :)
I'd love to see how low 90 star can get
What about the PU setup for bitfs? Is that ever a thing?
1:50 oh! Quisiera aprender a hacer ese Eave-Lj, ¿dónde conseguiste el video con los movimientos?
Have a sub, great vid Trey.
Suigi? Weegee? Luigi?
because it was almost perfect
At least LBLJ got a little bit faster with runners not hitting the wall and losing speed 🙂
even if they touch the wall couldnt they still accelerate a little before landing because of not being flush due to qfs? (still random tho)
Great video and extremely well explained and Paced! Which LBj;s in general to me not that you meant in general UI don't think... Are famous examples of spoeed run tech as they are what people want from watching a speed run as well as the effort and final time ofcorse... Unlike alot a major Pokemona nd Zelda speed run tech that people do hate as they change the game completely not that they are not as fun as SM64 speed runs just SM64 speed runs are the game done fast. And now with multiplayer mods most speed run tech can easly be used in multiplayer like manhaunt as well as normal cuasl play ofcorse... Unlike pokemon and Zelda which tend to look like holly hacking/cheatcodes over the game the viewer is nostogic for... So yeah personally I don't get the hate but I do see why most people don't like speedruns that massively change the game instead of it done fast...
Not everybody needs to stream to beat this. I’ve personally beaten it in 14:24 I don’t stream, believe what you want. I know what the truth is. Not everybody flaunts their talent