Investigating Andrew Tate: The 'pyramid' behind controversial polemicist and his followers | LBC
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- Опубликовано: 8 окт 2024
- The investigative journalists behind ‘Clown World’, Matt Shea and Jamie Tahsin, join James O'Brien to reflect on Nigel Farage’s admission that he spread Andrew Tate’s false claims about the Southport attacker's identity.
In this interview they break down the ‘pyramid’ of Andrew Tate followers, and highlight the 'international network of men that have learnt how to groom women'.
In August 2024, police officers in Romania carried out raids at the home of Andrew Tate, who is awaiting trial on charges of human trafficking, rape and forming a criminal gang to sexually exploit women.
Andrew Tate, 37, and his brother Tristan, 36, both former kickboxers and dual British-US citizens who have amassed millions of social media followers, were originally arrested in 2022 near Bucharest along with two Romanian women.
Romanian prosecutors formally indicted all four last year.
They have denied the allegations.
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The guy got rich rinsing insecure men in multiple ways, and these same insecure men defend him. As a marketer, its an insane case study!
Totally agree. I'm sure he doesn't believe half the stuff he says, but he can sell it to make money
Tony Blair is an insecure man who had millions follow him. Blair started wars, tate started a youtube channel.
@@HaydenCyclistoh we found a Tate simp 😂 who is talking about Blair? And if memory serves me correctly the biggest protest in UK history was due to Blair's actions, so even if I took your point at face value, it's still nonsense
I don't think you are understanding the whole picture. Andrew Tate is all those things and more. The guy is basically evil. Also, he is intelligent, insightful, and occasionally honest in a way that young men crave. He does promote responsibility and self care, and very often, young boys are only getting negative messages about their role in the world from the adults around them and society as a whole. Andrew has filled the gap that we as a society have failed our young men and boys. If you want less Andrew Tates, we have to change how we treat young men and boys as a society. We only have ourselves to blame
@noprob4me No, I'm not responsible for anyone else's kids, there is no we in this. Only I
Tate basically is doing to those 'men' what he did to those women. He searches for insecure and vulnerable men and groom them to take their money.
The Tate, Trump, Musk phenomenon could only happen in a capitalist economy which promotes the worst values in people at the same time as creating scarcity among working people.
What unlike in a non capitalist countries where the death toll exceeds 100,000,000.
At least with those fawning over Trump and Tate there is sources available on line to peruse that will allow us to be more informed. Not so in your socialist utopia
Any any excuse to have a pop at capitalism.
But the reality is capitalism is the best for everyone, not just people like Tate and so on.
Honestly, what a dumb liberal comment.
Capitalism is the best system there has ever been. Promotes the most individual freedom and is the system which has created the most prosperity
@@geoffreycanie4609 Socialism lead to the deaths of over 100,000,000.
@rudy8409 Absolutely! But it also means you have to work your way up in places, put in the effort, and sometimes work very hard.
It's why many of those who support communism are jealous and lazy and want it all on a plate or think everyone owes them.
How to be rich? Get gullible people to send you money for a course!
Absolutely spot on 👍
Sounds like the stock market
Trump University. 😂
One of the most vile people in the media sphere today. He should be put away in Romanian prison for years. Even if he is Faridge's chief factual advisor.
@@Norman-j7m so, you effectively don’t like him because he’s just revealing to more people what vile person Tate really is. Maybe, if you can’t get over the fact that Tate is a horrible person and the James O’Brien has just done quite an interesting interview… I mean, did you even watch it? If you’re defending that, I am genuinely concerned for you and the future of the world.
@@outlawedgiraffeOf course he didn't watch it, if he is an actual PERSON? 🙄
@@outlawedgiraffe it's all alleged, the guy said he's trying to stop people believing the media, they did that themselves way before Andrew was even a thing, I don't believe those 2 guys just as much as I don't believe Tate.
@@Norman-j7m Interesting? WOW
If you're talking about JOB I agree completely...
They reported the rapes to the police and nothing came of it- what a shock 🙄
They investigated it properly and crown prosecution service didn't found him guilty ....period !!
Reports and being charged are two very different things
Tate is just another grifter
what a hot take
He is part of the game. He is merely a distraction...
It sounds like he's using the same technique on his followers that he uses on the women that he traffics.
In my time disaffected young men had Henry Rollins. Same message of self-reliance and strength. But Hank was always reminding us to find compassion and humanity, however hard that was. And THAT was what 'success' meant.
Tate is all about convincing young men to embrace their weakness... just a lowlife grifter.
I hope he gets what he deserves but our society is run by these people.
Rollins has a serious ego and anger problem. Tates worse I’ll give you that. But Rollins. Meh…
F yeah! Henry was pretty scary in his early 20s, but he matured into a wise, sensitive man.
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@@Mogorman87 He hasn't got an anger problem and hasn't for years. It was a part of his act when he was a teenager, he moved on from it after leaving Black Flag.
Worrying that so many young lads feel so lost that they’ll do whatever this cartoon character says.
The story is as old as the hills. Inadequate and insecure young man gets angry at the world because females don't find him attractive.
@@Cannon_Fodder_RussiansWell if society doesn't want to help men like that, then don't get angry that those men get drawn to Tate. You can't have it both ways
I don;t do social media, thus I'd never heard of him till his arrest was on the news. Makes me think I'm not missing out
Nigel’s best friend lol
A lots of Russian bot accounts in this comment section.
If you want to stop the influence of men like Tate.
You surely need to look at why so many young men feel disenfranchised.
They want us to really believe in the media how joke is that 😂😂😂😂
That men such as Tate, Trump, Johnson have such huge followings, is a a massive indictment on us as a species. How can it be that one man’s abhorrent narcissist can be another’s hero?
Is it even possible to get a large following WITHOUT narcissism?
@@HarryNottings Perhaps some degree of narcissism isn’t necessarily bad, it’s when it steps over that ill-defined line into a mental health issue that it can become threatening and potentially dangerous.
Add JOB to the list...
Because people have been brain washed and they know the world is messed up and never knew why, and then someone comes out and says all this stuff... I dunno I am completely at loss of any hope. Honestly can't wrap my head around why people enjoy being disgusting!
@@magicanimalfish1029 You think JOB has a huge following?
I like listening to James O’Brien.
He’s smart. He is able to articulate subjects eloquently and accurately.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You are to James exactly what tates followers are to him. He’s a blatant fool wrong constantly
I think most people viewed him as entertainment, only the gullible would buy his courses
I believe the greatest politician we have in the UK is Jeremy Corbyn. I’m in no way moving towards the far right by stating that I agree with a lot of what Tate says, especially his distrust of the media.
You cannot conflate the two things. It’s so easy to do. I’m not angry at women or misogynist in any way, I was raised solely by women and they were the only ones there for me in my youth, and for that I actually place them above men if there is any imbalance of the two. Albeit I believe we are all of value
So uh, who were these "generals" and are they also trafficking women?
They reported to the police and nothing happened.
Well perhaps the police thought it wasn't worth prosecuting...
No lets just gloss over that little fact
Common sense skeptic has some awesome contents on the tate brothers.
Very thorough.
I remeber watching Andrew Tate on shipwrecked 35 years ago and thinking he had some concerning behaviours and attitudes even back then.
Maybe it was castaway
And maybe it was his brother 😂
@Norman-j7m thanks. It was 35 years ago or so 😑
Andrew Tate was on Big Brother not Shipwrecked. In 2016 if I remember correctly. Got booted out when they discovered a video that appeared to show him beating a woman
@Norman-j7m the attitude towards women and manipulation shone through even then. Hence why I still remember it now, albeit poorly...
"polemicist"? Is that what they're called now? We used to call them loudmouths, plus a lot of other things................
I don't know anything about Andrew Tate but his voice and way of speaking is bizarre in my eyes. I can't bear to listen to interviews with him.
Yes because let’s all take Matt Sheas word for it as gospel 😂 writer for “ vice “ he’s just salty because Tate absolutely owned him and humiliated him after his BS Hit piece.
Tate and his brother have admitted their crimes on camera multiple times
@@ryan16831 all said in satire, Jest and usually a small piece of context chopped and remixed by idiots like Matt to paint a narrative.
People need to too stop being so gulible, it’s actually mental that people think they would be these abusive criminals and openly admit it for the world to see 😂 it’s the quiet creepy ones you wanna watch out for like Philip Schofield, half the BBC and the over friendly and fake ones that make you think they’re nice people.
The Tate brothers say and do what they want because they know deep down they’re not bad people. The public are so thick as long as you’re all smiles, Ukraine flags, pride flags and over the top fake then you can’t be a bad person 😂
And of course piers gives him constant media exposure and credibility. He appears to have diversified into religious political commentary.
They’re sore losers, James you’re better than this.
Tate is out of de boat.
Did that guy get him his chocolates
Get andrew on !
You really need to pay more attention in class. Because Tate is not allowed to talk to the media.
That's his faith, lots of others in our country who have the same mindset, and growing rapidly.
Did Matt bring chocolates first?
Top G
These people are jealous, the way they talk about non facts
They welcome the lies.
Their 'prime directive' is sophistry to prove the point of owning those who point out they're believing lies.
If he is a multimillionaire why the need to conduct in this manner
Because Tate's NOT a multi millionaire. The flash cars were rentals. The luxury property was a rental. His watches were Bollex's. He's a total fraud.
Those 2 people are lying I can see it in their faces both of them you too soft
He uses people's insecurities.. nothing more.
Cult-like tactics? Literal cult tactics is more accurate.
Jesus, that's brilliant. Do you write your own material?
Social media has a massive role in the toxicity we see in society.
Liberalism is destroying the West. End of.
@Norman-j7m you don't think social media has any role in people's mental health or wellbeing? The fact that it is used to promote misinformation and disinformation which leads to unrest and growing ignorance is not a problem in your eyes? 🤔
trying to take over from the press who have been doing it for decades.
@Norman-j7m you do realise technology has grown over time, and those things are still considering as having impacts on societal values? Or did you think you had a brilliant 'gotcha' moment?
@Norman-j7m you don't need to apologise. I want to understand if you think social media has had no negative impact on society?
This guy literally begged andrew for an interview and stood outside his house with chocolates begging for an interview.
Whos using who for money and clicks?
They are using the lover boy technique 😂
Of course, as a woman in the US, I'm unfamiliar with Tate, but I hear our podcasts speak of how disgusting he is. 14:32 . Yanks don't generally pay attention to UK politics (I've found), BUT the anti Trump MALES are VERY familiar with him and VOCIFEROUSLY speak against him. I myself will continue to IGNORE HIM.
He's very popular among young conservative males in the US. I work with youths and its overwhelmingly young republican males who subscribe to his philosophy. And what surprises me is how most parents have never heard of him. I've watched alot of young men corrupted by him. . .
Tate was an American, in fact his father was an FBI agent. How can you hate someone you know nothing about ?
@@saqibkhan5473Tates are still dual US/UK citizens.
Their father was never in FBI. He worked as sergeant in US Air Force until he was kicked out. He was diagnosed witth NPD, Narsistic Personality Disorder.
A trait that brothers seem to have inherited.
Stop giving him airtime! This is what he wants.
Tate is a zero, an empty vessel
Wow, if these allegations are true, Tate is in serious trouble.
But, then again, when one takes a closer look at all these men, they are almost always 100% men, something always smells funny! Take Tate for example, how did he get rich so quickly, and he was always boasting about his wealth, another sign of insecurity. He was always ready to bore us silly with his opinions. Then there are those who just have to interview him, not once but twice at least, feeding off his fame and Notoriety. And inadvertently or otherwise, increasing his fame and theirs, which invariably increases the number of his converts and wealth and viewers for the interviewer. These two different groups thrive on each other's support, both benefiting, and the loser here, as always, are the paying public.
As for the guys who pay for Tate' services, what can I say, even as a teenager, Tate' "Courses", would have smelt fishy to me!
The same goes for our politicians, surely it's obvious that most of them are not to be trusted, Suella with talk about immigrants, Kemi and her "validity" issues, etc. When the electorate (adults) are so easily woodwinked, can you blame young men, when they are led astray by Tate. If Andrew is guilty of the allegations against him, I hope he goes to jail for a long time. There is no greater crime apart from Treachery and Racism, than stealing from your fellow man.
I like this channel, but once I saw the guy from Vice, I stopped watching. CLOWN
Andrew Tate in the grand scheme of things isn't as significant as the social and politicial climate which created the 'need' for a man such as him. Radical feminism and the demonising of masculinity has led to young men feeling isolated, disenfranchised and unheard. He became a mouthpiece for how alot of men felt. He may very well be guilty of trafficking...however another Andrew Tate will pop up if we don't address the male issues which led to his rise.
For years women have been blamed for all sorts of things, including their own rapes - and now, they are also to blame for the existence of predators such as Tate??? 🤔
Did Tate get found guilty? I thought no evidence was ever proved…
How did this weird man become so powerful?
Which man? Andrew Tate is not powerful
why don't you get Andrew Tate on?
Andrew tate must have mummy issues.
Yawn
Daddy abandoning him/over possessive mother...
Which means Andrew is a victim.
What crime has Tate been convicted for ?
Zero.
Where is your episode on Huw Edwards and Philip Schofield, people who actually did crimes ?
😂 You will never do it.
Lol it's almost like the investigation is ongoing or something as for Huw Edwards and Philip Schofield those are different cases and irrelevant to this one
because the case is still ongoing? are you that thick? lol
He's currently being prosecuted and eventually convicted. Bad news. You're never getting that money he scammed from you returned.
@@Cannon_Fodder_Russians How can you be convicted with zero evidence. You keep hoping mate. Time will tell all.
@@saqibkhan5473Why do you insist that Andrew is delusional?
He has used every preliminary chamber hearing to argue that some (of the 70,000 pages of) evidence should be ruled inadmissable.
Is he fighting against something that does not even exist?
On April 26, judge ordered the trial to be started. Tates appealed on the same day.
Why?
Don't they want their assets back?
It should be an easy acquittal if there is no evidence.
This guy is cooked 💀
he might be a grifter but in a woke world where men are constantly put down and their mental health is laughed at despite what people say. He at least instills confidence in a lot of people that otherwise wouldn't have it. The misogony stuff is ridiculous.
Oh ye because racial discrimination is the cause of young men's mental health........or men........
That is part of the smokescreen though.
Just because a person is right on one point, does not mean everything they say is correct.
@@jackperry2821 i know. hence why i'm able to form an opinion not based on emotion
You’ve been brainwashed because you’ve got nothing better. I have upmost sympathy for you.
@@Hannah-xx8ix how have i? i suppose you are a single mum?
Never heard so much bollx in my life !
Born last year then
11:33
Who are these women so I can "believe" their accounts.
Does believing mean reading text or seeing video?
Believe the women just because?
There is video footage of him admitting to sleeping with a 15 yo girl
If you watch this without audio it looks like a chat on the health benefits of soy.
... and with sound, what do you learn about yourself from the discussion?
Matt Shea is the guy Andrew Tate told to bring him chocolates and flowers if he wanted to interview him isn't he? The guy from Vice Media?
James O’Brien is definitely jealous 🤣
Oh look it’s the Dork Geek Nerd that Tate made him give chocolates at the gates of his house 😂😂
Go outside.
Matt Shea trying to get revenge? I think so😂
Matt is a world class bell end
These 2 guys are obsessed with tate and this story, they got no real evidence to back there allegations and just hang on to the misogyny thing, which is clips of interviews taken out of context. He is able to debate real topics on piers morgan etc. while these guys are just hating on someone’s freedom of speech. No time on the bbc or epstein, diddy, saville or convicted pedos and human traffickers . Let’s just go for someone who is openly speaking his mind on life.
Desperate to add racism far right to the conversation but couldn't because he is half black
2 comments in 17 years. Classic recently purchased bot farm account.
cant deny some of what he says has a point no? don't all people have things you disagree with? there are over 30 uk day-game paid online programmes alone, that resemble his rhetoric. Why not take them down?
James - I would love to see the Tates and these two chaps on the same interview with you. Its unlike you to not challenge some of their rhetoric which seems oddly out of date? Have they not been freed from jail and cleared of charges?
They have neither been freed or cleared
3 comments in 8 years. Another recently purchased bot farm account.
@@Cannon_Fodder_Russians a valid point is a valid point.
We've got to remember it's not just young people who fall for this
Fall for what
@@mechamarkman Misogyny and Lies
@@mechamarkman bigotry and cults like tate
@@TableTopTransformer please give examples of what he has said that involves any of these
@@mechamarkman you HAVE been watching the video, right?
If Tate goes down will he be a "political" prisoner?
only in his own mind
No. Regular criminal.
You know he'll get protection.
That's fine by me.
@@andrewdinatale8207Who will protect him? Traffickers and grapists are not liked in Rahova prison.
lets go top g
The boys on B-Wing are going to love using Tate like a Japanese Love doll.
@@Cannon_Fodder_Russianssounds more like an ideal scenario for yourself
Investigating James O'brien 😂
Bell end
Investigation complete
Worship by Candace Owen, Piers Morgan
Only because he isnt convicted yet. Soon as he is nobody will care about him.
James O'Brien = Pillock
Wow. Your comment is a total waste of internet data.
The misinformation, disinformation, brainwashing and the propergander kicks after watching 2 minutes of this guy and lbc 🙈🙉👹
Why don't you pay some more of your mommy's money to Andrew Tate.
The guy at the start doesn’t know if it’s a he or a she 😂 hmm
Yes everyone who doesnt support labor is horrible!
The red flags for me is he never said anything nice about any woman
"I believe in protecting and providing for the woman I love."
"I think women are the most beautiful thing in the world."
Tate
Look at modern women. Precisely, he's correct.
@@saqibkhan5473 but he loves little girls though so both those statements are wholly untrue.
Wonder what take on Scofield O Brien has can't wait for that one
Nice deflection
@@DavisJ-ln6fwThe point being o Brien doesn't think Scofield has done anything wrong. Were as Tate hasn't been charged with anything
Tate is Farage's Big Chungus, the mystery is solved !
Haha, imagine how mad all these will be when trump wins 😂
He's also saved a lot of young men's lives, he's a prat and over exaggerated it to make money.
how did he save their lives? please explain.
@alexgarland2747 Other people promote the same positive messages, such as exercise and self-improvement, without the 'baggage' Tate carries.
On that basis, I really don't understand why people overlook his obvious insane messages because he sprinkles in some very vague platitudes, albeit ones which obviously do help some lonely and isolated people 🤷
@@kanedNunable Liberalism is destroying men and our civilisation
@kanedNunable by providing a purpose for life, when there seems there is none. I had a massive life changing condition happen to me. Listening to Tate made me realise that the pain of my condition is acceptable to go through because I can still provide for my family regardless. Life can be mostly pain. Men and young men are being marginalised and categorised together as bad. Young men are the most likely to commit suicide. Who out there is providing substance to young men and their lifes? Do men's life matter in the slightest?
You
e Queen. Tate hasn't saved anyone. 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tate is all so a Muslim what a shocker....
He’s a Muslim for clicks mate. That’s all.
So are Mo Farah, Khabib, Mike Tyson, Mo Salah, Akon, Raheem Stirling, Chunkz, Dave Chappelle.
What's being Muslim got to do with all this ? Also do you acknowledge that the Tates have never been convicted of any crime ? Why do you think that is ?
@@saqibkhan5473Tates have not been convicted yet because they are doing everything in their power to delay and postpone the trial.
But, you are right, Andrew's charges have nothing to do with his religion.
There are bad apples in every religion.
Absolute pish talk.
Is that your thing as well, you also need to be watched .
Paid for one of his courses eh?
Another recently purchased bot farm account.
@@Norman-j7m that sounds like you also have something to hide by trying to deflect,very strange indeed .
@@Norman-j7m that sounds like a threat to me , and you've been triggered .🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱😴
err your hero in number 10 just scapegoated a woman.....and you're lecturing us all on misogyny?
Yeah, totally the same thing. 🙄
Easy to spot the newbies. James is very critical of starmer. Now I’ve mentioned Starmer you’ll probably say you meant rayner.
Nice missing the point.
Kier does not know what a women is...
@@bigboots9015 who missed what point precisely ?
The soy is in james from birth.
Found the incel War Room subscriber
Tom Green is the ultimate SOYBOY name.
These guys are liars!
These weasels 😂
your war room subs up for renewal eh kiddo?
Bet this guy couldn't get a girl if his life depended on it
Did Matt ever go back with chocolates 😂
@@kanedNunablecomplete sausages the lot of ya 😂 na mate I’m my own man don’t get told by anyone Andrew Tate or you ya plank 😂
@@kanedNunablecomplete sausages the lot of ya 😂 na mate I’m my own man don’t get told by anyone Andrew Tate or you ya plank 😂
Cant take this seriously on the James O'Beech show.
Young men are being led down a terrible path because of this fraudster Tate, I hope he goes to jail for a very long time. Being obsessed with money is very bad for your mental health.
Robinson Elizabeth Brown Brian Davis Paul
Brokie💯 .
Matrix is coming.....
LoL what?
One thing I have learnt from these Podcast is that hated is real and is determine to destroy men life.
Yes he’s made money. But you are also making money just talking about him ! ( sad pair you are ) sounds a bs ish ?
Congratulations on popping your troll farm cherry🍒by posting your 1st ever comment in 2 years.
Sou ds like a conspiracy theory
Another recently purchased bot farm account.
@@Cannon_Fodder_Russians Unlike you I use my name. Are you the bot?
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT FEMINISM AND THE HATRED OF MEN BY WOMEN HAS BROKEN THE FAMILY.
The family is doing great thanks. The kids, my wife and me, we’re all doing really well and feminism hasn’t done any of us any harm.
Perhaps you playing the victim is a self-fulfilling prophecy just like the other extremists who have made the conscious choice to be victims. You share that weakness with people like Tate, Farage and Trump.
Absolutley massivly over thinking . What about his charity work why dont you mention this
He was adviced to do the charity work to get a shorter sentence.
That does not change anything in regard of the actual committed crimes.
They all get so stressed, uptight and angry at Andrew Tate because he thinks a different way to the mainstream robots.
Go back to sleep 😂
No we just don't think women are property and lesser people. Simple really
Oh and spreading misinformation. Not a fan of that
Not because he thinks 'different' but because he is a charlatan and these insecure simps fall for it.
So you need to be watched as well .
@@chrisstones1249 traditional gender roles created our civilisation
Tate the legend
O'brien I can't stand Andrew tate I hate what he stands for but I consider you on the opposite end of his spectrum and therefore consider you just as dangerous with your wokeism
🤡
🤡 Explain wokeism and how its more dangerous? :D
Im no fan Tate but there must be better things to disuss 😂
Did you not listen. His tentacles run deep. Its a cult, targeting young men at an ever increasing rate. I can think of nothing more important to talk about. Especially since he already cause a massive riot with misinformation.
Tate is king
King of scam?
It's so OBVIOUS.