Robert E. Lee refuses command of the Union Army
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- Опубликовано: 13 янв 2012
- "I never thought I'd live to see the day that a president of the United States would raise an army to invade his own country."
A clip from the movie Gods and Generals, www.imdb.com/title/tt0279111/ 
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When the real incident occurred, Lee was clean-shaven and dark hared. He grew a beard and his hair went white in late 1861. But nobody today would recognize a clean-shaven, dark haired Robert E. Lee.
being a general is a stressful job
Lee knew this from his Mexican War experience. He had been almost a special assistant for Winfield Scott and had seen the toll it had taken on that tough old man. But for him his state allegiance trumped everything else. In 1861 Lee had hit that age when men tended to go gray. The beard was the fashion of the time. Lincoln had been elected as a clean-shaven man.
I think he had a nice mustache in April 1861
@@MM-qi5mk Based upon?
The movies never follow history close enough. This would have been a great detail
In a somewhat cruel irony, if Robert E. Lee had taken command of the Union Army, he could have ended the war swiftly and spared his homeland a lot of grief.
lol right
But would he though? Lee would probably be facing the same pressure from Congress that McDowell did, which he means Lee would still be marching with untrained soldiers. Would the results still be the same?
Jacob Martinez The Confederate rank and file would be just as green at this point. As with all things though, great successes have many fathers. And many of Lee's were just as much due to having competent corps commanders like Stonewall. Still, I think having access to vastly superior numbers and material would make the war a lot closer to the "home by Christmas" myth that they thought it would be. Without Lee in command, Richmond wouldn't have been nearly as fortified, and on the Union side, Lee would be able to fight the war on his terms.
Grave Wall he was too honorable for that
Edgar Labra Depends on how you define honor. If you read his letters, you'll know that he loved the Union almost as much as he loved Virginia, and if he wanted to save Virginia from the devastation of war, taking command of the dominant side and ending the war swiftly definitely seems to me to be the nobler option, however hard it may be to wage war on your home state.
If the war had been ended with a few decisive strokes by a respected member of the Southern gentry like Lee, without any glorious victories like Chancellorsville to remember, I doubt the wounds of the Civil War would have been as deep. One thing that I'm pretty sure of is that the war would have been swift, if not entirely bloodless. With McClellan to build the Union army and Lee to use it, the South would have been beaten ingloriously, without any grand, last stands or faint hopes of what might have been to build the myth of the Lost Cause with.
It wouldn't be called "the Civil War" or "The War Between the States" or "The War of Northern Aggression". It would be known as, "That brief time the Southern leaders collectively lost their minds, and ol' Bob stuck a boot up their nether regions and showed them what real Southern honor looks like". He would have felt like crap about it, and his contemporaries might have hated him for it, but tragedies like that are what myths are built on. Myths of the nigh demigod-like nature of the Founding Fathers gave national character to a people that once prided themselves in being Englishmen. Myths are powerful things, and that myth would have fundamentally changed Southern culture for the better.
They leave as enemies but still are respectful.
Most of the officers on both sides were friends from the Spanish War and West Point
I agree. Sadly, they are more respectful than Washington Insiders are now!
Imagine the Twitter spat that would happen if this happened today.
This is a movie
@@rustyshackleford9017 lol spanish war? The Mexican American war and the indian wars
Lee’s ancestors who came from England were the first family of the Virginia colony of British America. This is why Robert E. Lee being a descendant of the Lee family was so attached to Virginia.
Yet some of his family members joined the Union. His cousin Samuel Lee was a Union admiral. When asked why he stayed with the Union, Sam Lee said _"When I find the word Virginia in my commission papers, I will join the Confederacy."_
He is still a racist, bloody criminal that subsisted on the proceeds of chattel slavery and its evils...
no all the english left america for canada after the french won in 1776, robert lees ancestors probably changed their last name to an english sounding name to fit in he was most likely irish mexican german and black like all americans
So his Virginian family tradition had existed for what..about a century? Whoopey doo! As a European I always thought all that civil war talk of honour and tradition as it related to states that had been around for barely a historical heartbeat was weird. Human Pride and Prejudice is a very strange thing.
HIS FATHER WAS
" LIGHTHORSE " HARRY LEE WHO FOUGHT WITH WASHINGTON DURING THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND GENERAL LEE AT THE TIME A COLONEL
ALSO FOUGHT IN THE SPANISH AMERICAN WAR A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY RARELY TALKED ABOUT
There is a reason why Robert E. Lee was never prosecuted after the war, and why history has judged him so well. Regardless of one's views toward secession and the war, it was his actions after the cessation of hostilities that showed his true grace and character.
Tens of thousands of rebel soldiers looked to him after Appomattox for direction. He could have initiated guerrilla warfare or dragged the war on for years in an insurgent form. But he took the moral high ground and told his men to go home. Rejoin their families. Plow their fields. Accept the outcome of the war as gentlemen and begin to heal.
Ulysses S. Grant is also credited with achieving a peaceful settlement as the war ended. He could have humiliated and disgraced the Confederate leadership with harsh terms of surrender. But he let them keep their rifles and their horses and sent them home.
The United States would be a very different place now if not for the actions of those two men at the end of the war.
PREACH!
+Bobby Ricigliano Lee didn't get his citizenship back until July 22, 1975. He died stateless in 1870. President Gerald Ford signed the congressional resolution on July 24, 1975 calling it a 110 year oversight. If only he would have had Stone Wall Jackson at Gettysburg.
It was both the first most tragic death in the Confederate Army to lose TJ "Stonewall" Jackson as well as Ironic for him to die by friendly fire.
Hell. Someone who actually knows their stuff making a comment on RUclips. I've seen it all now.
America could use another Robert E Lee and U.S. Grant right now cause we're one hell of a mess.
Duvall is a direct descendant of Lee. It fits that he played him the second time.
Paul Johnson is that really true?
Yes.
Paul Johnson Robert e Lee is actually one of my great great great great great great uncle somehow on my mom's moms family
Not a direct descendant but a distant relative whose ancestor fought for the Union
Robert E. Lee is a distant relative of mine. I get my middle name from him.
There’s an alternate History where Lee takes command of the Union army, and the war is remembered as an insurrection ended after the battle of Bull Run.
Lee: I don't want to lead the Army
Lincoln: Thats why it must be you
Funny thing to say for a guy who ended up leading the opposing army. Apparently he wanted to lead that one instead.
@Jayden Dan Dominquez sure he didn‘t. Just like maybe von Mannstein and Guderian wanted to lead the Prussian Army, not the Army of Hitler. It just so happens that those turned out to be the same thing. Whoops
And he lost Fucking traitor.....
@Jayden Dan Dominquez im not just callimg it what it is. Personally I wished they had of killed all those Fucking slave owners they were an abomination of humanity the atrocities they did to my people was inexcusable period and all their descendants continued the shit with 100 yrs of Jim crow. Fuck them all
@@dinkyb2000 you should spend more time reading and less time commenting. You have no frame of reference for 19th century senses of duty and loyalty which were to thier home states more so than the union. That's why it was no surprise that top generals stuck with the south. Not only that they were being asked to invade thier own homes. Based on your comments I know you are not someone to understand nuance and I'm wasting my time but oh well...
"There is a terrible war coming, and these young men who have never seen war cannot wait for it to happen, but I tell you, I wish that I owned every slave in the South, for I would free them all to avoid this war." - Quote by Robert E. Lee
I give this quote to every liberal I meet who doesn’t know history
Pretty ironic since Robert E Lee owned 189 slaves and treated them harshly.
@@emc448 he treated them well actually. And they werent his, they were his wifes that she inherited
@@bluebandit5586 Yeahhh no he didn't and when he was instructed by the will to release them, he petitioned Virginian courts to extend the deadline. I have a source to this if you're not convinced. There is also a quote saying he deemed slavery beneficial for blacks.
@@emc448 theres also a quote saying he would release every slave in the US if he could to prevent the civil war, sooooo....
You cant mount an attack on his character sir. He was one of the most inspirational leaders in our history
Robert Duvall is one of the greatest actors of my time!
Much better than that washed up libtard De Niro.
I put em up there wit Bronson McQueen and Lancaster Duvall is a breed apart top knotch actor of the highest caliber
@@philmcnamara299 The best actor of all is Duvall.
You mean Captain Kilgore?
@@meathead6155 He was a colonel.
Basically Lee’s like: “Screw you guys, I’m going home.”
He's like this year belongs to the confederacahh
Respect my authorita
"There's no way Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee, or Kentucky will secede."
Well, 1 out of 4 ain't bad
even then Kentuckians would've seceded had the union not plopped its army there.
Fuck Lee , his choice dragged North Carolina into the shit !
@@lochlan241 Kentucky was so strategically important that Lincoln was supposed to have said "I would like to have God on my side, but I must have Kentucky".
@@Arbeedubya Whatever
2 out of 4.
This was in a time when the state was your country. The states only formed a union of countries.
i.e. a confederation. The popular saying goes that, before the War, the United States *are*. After the War, the United States *is*. If the United States is a confederation of sovereign States, they can rightfully secede at any time. And if they cannot secede, they are not sovereign, and they are unduly ruled by the national authority. Many don't realize, but the outcome of the Civil War marked a fundamental Constitutional change in the United States. It wasn't a change in the Written Constitution. It was a change in the Unwritten Constitution, the Constitution of the de facto, the Constitution of Empire.
@@lukeporras1288 There is no delegated constitutional power for the federal government to wage war upon the several states.
@@The_Real_Indiana_Joe Correct. Also read Article IV, Section 4. The federal government cannot invade a State without that State's consent.
@@lukeporras1288 And Article 1 Section 10, the green backs (fiat) finally negated the states ending in one jurisdiction instead of 51.
A beautiful statement that is misunderstood
Lee was not a traitor. In those times your allegiance was first to your state, then your nation - and he knew the Federal forces would be invading Virginia and he chose to defend his state. It was honorable.
He wasn't defending his state. The secessionist government he supported was destroying Virginia. The whole western half of the state broke away after the governor claimed to have "lost" their votes in the secession referendum and "estimated" them instead. 150 years later, West Virginia is still separate. It's because of Lee and the government he supported that Virginia today is only half the state it once was.
frellthat West Virginia = Industrial Failure, Virginia = Economic Powerhouse
***** I suggest ypou read the US Constitution, Article III, Sec. 3..."Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.:
Lee was a text book traitor. Far worse than Benedict Arnold.
frellthat - Actually, the creation of West Virginia was an unconstitutional act. Article IV, Sec. 3 of the Constitutiuon states that, "no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."
Canandaigua1951 Congress approved the admission of West Virginia in 1863, making it constitutional. The legislature of Virginia claimed to no longer be part of the United States at all, therefore forfeiting any protections they would have had under its Constitution.
this is one of the few time where I dont see an actor I just see General Lee, all due too robert duvalls outstanding performance
Today they'd drone strike him in that very office and cause a "major tectonic event" in Virginia.
They would have put a drone strike on everyone pushing Rebellion before any state got a chance to vote on it.
@@jamesmiller5331 At least Lincoln woulda sent BLM to Liberia.
@@jamesmiller5331 Yes, especially the accursed brood of vipers known as Massachusetts, Maryland, and Rhode Island. Makes you bluebellies really chubby in the pants, don't it?
@@sadsackkvisling9694 I'm from Indiana myself 🤷♂️
Lee didn't want to fight against his home state.
I wouldn't fight against mine either.
General Lee could’ve been my general
But he f up
@@abrahamlincoln9280 thanks Lincoln. Try not to lose your head in making statements like that. Or part of it at least.
@@Snakepliskin76 if he fought against his homeland, he would be branded a traitor and if he fought against and won, it would be a big mess
He just wanted to fight against his country.
It's a shame they haven't made a Robert E. Lee biopic with Robert Duvall as Lee cause Duvall is so great as Lee in this film
He outa be, he's a relative!
Oh really?
Shelby Dawg I am also a relative of Lee and been Yankee the whole time. must have been the Irish cousins or something.
Gods and Generals
I think it wiser, not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered.
Robert E Lee.
A good man who served an evil cause.
Robert Duvall should be honored with an Oscar for a fantastic stream of characters he's done so magically, namely a loyal lawyer for the Godfather. Robert E. Lee in Gettysburg, I think but not sure. A cowboy with Tommy Lee Jones in Lonesome Dove, perhaps his best work. Playing Stalin under a heavy load of makeup, an astronaut trying to save the world from an asteroid. A cowboy with Kevin Costner with a fantastic script using actual language as spoken in the late 1800's. I could name a few more works, but he was also memorable as a newspaperman in The Natural with Robert Redford.
In my view, he is tied with Morgan Freeman as our greatest living actor.
@TheWoodIsPoo I may have confused with his Stalin movie, which was actually pretty scary. Duval acted in major Russian buildings during after the fall of Wall of Berlin. The movie was terrifying from the way Stalin murdered millions just like Hitler, Mao. I watched it one time, never again. But Duvall's acting portrayal of a sociopathic leader was something. I've always wondered how he felt being there as I'm sure he was being watched. What an insane world it must've been and still is.
@@majoroz4876 There are quite a few great actors these days. I include Denzel Washington. He has the versatility of Duvall, who can play any role. Take a look at Will Smith, too. He's not just comedy.
Technically a comet and that was Deep Impact
Let's have a hand for Gene Hackman as well. That guy is off the charts.
“General Grant has been welcomed to the chat”
I always wished Robert Duvall had played Lee in Gettysburg. I'm not saying that Martin Sheen did a bad job. But Duvall seemed born to play Robert E. Lee. He even looks like him.
+Rick Roscoe He's an amazing actor!
Well, Duvall is related to Lee.
+tpsu129 Real!? how?
On his mother's side.
tpsu129
wow
a rich mans war, and a poor mans battle
@@martincastro7406 there's a difference between wealth and rich
@@martincastro7406 there's a difference between wealth and rich
@@martincastro7406 are you kidding there just is you could be like Lee who aquired probably about a few million (maybe) in today's world which is considered wealthy but then you have the really wealthy prominent familys which I imagine around that time were cotton and coal families that proabaly were around billionaires in today's world that had alot of pull and tossed dumb money at politicians to back there plans
@@martincastro7406 to be honest not much has changed but anyway back at that the radical democratic party and those promonent southern families influenced the succession and there you have the Civil War where they publicized the reason to go to war as northern aggression (which it was) and the north well what ever lie they came up with anyway
@@martincastro7406 honestly I don't know about how much he got but from what I found Im pretty sure his fame and experience as a military leader was more influential than his wealth
Lee was only about 53 when this conversation took place - not 83.
Out of 8 US Army colonels from Virginia in 1861, Lee was the only one who joined the Confederacy. Even among the 15 US Army Colonels from all Confederate states, Lee was just 1 of 3 who turned against the Union. Some people act as if Lee's choice was inevitable or the default thing anyone in his position would do, but in fact he was an outlier.
Perhaps so, but unlike a lot of other officers on both sides he was acting out of heartfelt conviction rather than an opportunity for fame or personal power.
@@johnmarcucci1719 But there were plenty acting out of heartfelt conviction who made the opposite choice, including his own cousin, Admiral Samuel Lee. When Sam Lee was asked why he stayed in the Union, he replied _"When I find the word Virginia in my comission, I will join the Confederacy."_
@@TheStapleGunKid and I respect his conviction, and I'm glad that I have never had to make a choice like that, between the homeland where I was raised and the nation to which I owe everything I have in this world.
@@johnmarcucci1719 Oh I have no doubt it's an agonizing choice, especially since Lee initially said he opposed secession. But I just get sick of people acting like it's the only choice he could have made, or the typical choice to make among most people, when in fact many others made the opposite one, including one member of his own family.
Over 28% of the entire US Army Officer Corps resigned and joined the Confederacy. It's a significant and relevant number.
"This movie is awesome."
-Robert E. Lee, circa 2021
Whats the name of the movie
Robert Rasa Gods & Generals
@@robertrasa452 It's not worth watching, boring pro-confederate propaganda
@@thomassmith8140 shut up gay harem dude
@@weyjosh5213 I allow women in my hermen too, just ask your mother.
“Perhaps you know their mind better than they themselves.” Lol
Pretty apt today as well.
An oath to preserve the Constitution of the United States of America at West Point.....is an Oath..
@@thomasjensen6873 - and that oath ends when you resign your commission, as Lee did when he turned down this offer.
@@billbillson5082 Not to mention the fact that the Oath to uphold the Constitution includes the 10th Amendment - which includes the right to secede.
an excellent example of mutual respect. how far we've fallen since those times
Exactly, we should mutually respect racists and slave owners, not point out how bad it is followed by them getting butthurt. Mutual respect is the future.
@@reinarforeman6518 don't forget the guys who raped their slaves they deserve the most respect.
@@reinarforeman6518 Nah, Got more future than you do 😆
No respect for traitors
@@chattiermike140 they were not traitors and the south did not fight for slavery read history as well as even if they did it still wouldn't put the south at blame like you think it does
Robert Duvall also played General Dwight Eisenhower in a film called "Ike, The War Years". He has always been one of my favorites!
Robert Duvall has one of the best southern accents in film.
I think we get most of our accent from our folks--his Dad from Virginia, so I guess that explains it--though I don't really know a "Virginia accent" to be honest.
@@jimquantic There's a rugged elegance to his accent.
You can tell he isn't actually southern but he's definitely far better than most.
@@killertaco8themaster773 He sounds Southern just in my opinion. I've lived in the South all my life and heard many older folks talk the way he does. I knew a lady who recently passed away who was 85 that spoke in the same way Duvall does in this film.
Robert E. Lee had dark hair at the beginning of the Civil War.
I've never seen this movie, but I am sooooo glad to have seen this segment. If I didn't already know how utterly superb Robert Duvall is, I would certainly know it now.
Even as Boo Radley in 1962's treasure TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD, he delivered an absolute masterpiece of a performance.
It is worth watching. I think this part, the Fredericksburg part, and Stonewall's flanking maneuver through Chancellorsville were the best parts of the movie. The rest, in my opinion, is a lot of soliloquy and boring introspective...hence why it didn't do as well as "Gettysburg".
He looked so much like Gen. Lee it was like Duvall blended into the character. What movie is this? Loved the music too.
What's the movie called ?
@@conspiracycornerireland3250 Gods and Generals
Gods and Generals, 4 hours long
According to the book The Generals by Anderson and Anderson, this exchange occurred on 18 April 1861 in the townhouse of Francis Preston Blair. Blair owned a plantation in Silver Springs, MD.
The commander of the U. S. Army at this point was General Winfield “Fuss and Feathers” Scott, who was deemed too old to take the field.
this was a hard decision for me. But I think it was the right one.
Indeed it was.... thank you
So... When will you lead the next rebellion?
Jesse Trout when the government takes our guns.
I will stand behind you for that one!
Jesse Trout'MURICA!
honestly I think Robert E Lee was one of the most honorable men who ever lived. He opposed slavery and supported reunification of the North and South as One Nation, but he refused to raise the sword against Virginia. He never cursed, never drank or smoked, rarely ever lost his temper and commanded great respect and admiration among his man.
I don't call that honor, I call it abandonment of principles. Staying out of the war is one thing, but he joined the other side and fought for a movement that aimed to preserve slavery.
That wasn't their aim....
Pan Z Absolutely it was. Read some of the declarations of secession by some of those states. By preserving slavery they were trying to preserve their economy as well as their social order which slavery helped to define.
PyonBoy two states in the south had voted and abolished slavery and the north had one slave state and this was during the war. only a small group of people had slaves and the rest of thd country had high unemployment and the people wanted slavery gone and jobs available and had the war been a draw slavery wouldve been gone in a mettwr of time. the south wouldnt let the north tell it what to do as no state should and should have the say in their state. this war wad about getting rid of state rights and that is exactly what it did.
John Doe ^
84% of whites in the South were not in a family that owned any slaves. Most were farmers of some sorts.
Slaves were usually owned by the rich owners of large plantations. Many Southerners were against slavery for ethical and economic reasons, and many Northerners were even pro slavery (the North even had 4 slave states during the civil war). Clearly, the Northern states we had slaves would've joined the South in the Civil War had the war been about slavery
The Confederacy started the war when they raided federal armories and then fired upon federal forts. Then it called for tens of thousands of soldiers well before Lincoln called for union volunteers.
Robert E. Lee in a Blue Uniform looks stunning just Imagine what a Union General Lee would have looked like on the Field of Battle.
Robert E Lee Was Russian 🇷🇺
@@Endgame707 🤨⁉️
You'll see plenty of Lee in blue if they make a movie on Mexican War of wars against Comanches
Lee was against the Confederacy but he cared about his home state and would defend his home. He wasn't a war monger by any means, he wanted to solve this through diplomacy, unfortunately the rest of the country made up its mind.
Blazin Goomba your the problem with this country just because he wanted to protect his home doesn’t means he was a bad person
Lòrd Tachanka that’s true
* that’s not true
Blazin Goomba what in tarnation
Stoach Giacco That wouldve caused chaos within the United States Army since Robert E. Lee was very well respected by both the United States and Confederate states
Having a southern general would have been a master stroke of political display, by lincoln. especially if he had won and kept the job the entire time.
Which he likely would.
Lee and Grant were in many ways almost polar opposites.
Lee was really in his best command in the field but lacked in overall strategy and political aspects of being a supreme commander. Also he can fairly be said to be perhaps too risk-averse.
Grant was the best grand strategist of the Civil war and knew how to fight his army's corner in the politics to get supplies men and money he needed, and he was driven to end the war ASAP, but he was at best an above-average battlefield commander.
And McClellan was a fine regimental and perhaps divisional commander, who was also personally brave (he did display casual disregard for his own safety when called for during the Mexican war), but his true great ability was to build an army for other men to then use.
So if Grant gets his command early, has Lee to make the actual battle plans and execute them, and McClellan to build them both the Army of Potomac, then the war would be bagged and done with by 1862
They had a southern general. He was George H. Thomas.
@@michalsoukup1021 To be fair the Union didn't have to be as risk averse. They had more troops and more money.
@@bbqbros3648 it very much depend on who is lost and when. If substantial part of the core of carrier soldiers was lost in early war Union would be in BIG trouble
@@EnnuiPilgrim a darned good general was Thomas too.
How lucky to have the Vscount’s papers! I read his articles in Blackwood’s magazine.
Colonel Lee was the leader of the rag tag group that ended Brown's Raid at Harper's Ferry. Years later, he fought some of the men he commanded that day
god bless Robert Duval. that's how you portray a class act.
Scene is touching, even if it is inaccurate. Lee resigned in a letter after a night of careful consideration at Arlington. He left the following morning.
The Avenger at Ilipa Precisely. The dialog in this clip is fantasy.
Lee did meet with Blair. To compress an already 3.5+ hour movie they combined two scenes into one.
***** Someone seems like their jimmies are a'rustlin...
***** But the flag wasn't flying over the statehouse 150 years ago... ;)
Steve Small It is why the movie that the book is based on is Historical Fiction. The books is far better than the movie. A good 1/3 of the books is missing from the movie.
Duvall is the PERFECT choice for that role!!
Robert Duvall of the best actors of our time. Truley an American Treasure.
A minor point, I realize, possibly even nitpicking, but Lee didn't have a beard then.
His hair wasn't white either.
You're right. Lee didn't grow his beard until the winter of 61/62 when he was in command of troops in the mountains of western Virginia (now West Virginia).
I wish these movies would stick hard to the facts. Reality deserves respect and is always more interesting, and it is in the details. BTW, See "History Buffs" RUclips channel for analysis of movies, what they get right, what they get wrong. It's fantastic. One of my favorites: Master and Commander.. and the episode on that is great.
I've watched his reviews. They're ok but the reviewer doesn't know his history so makes a lot of mistakes himself.
I imagine they had him wear a beard here so he actually looks more like Robert E. Lee and less like Robert Duvall. In telling this great story his beard or lack thereof is more or less irrelevant.
The Union forever, but I can definitely see Lee's reasoning for fighting for the CSA. "We need you to lead our army against your home, family, and friends" Yeah I think I'd have to think twice about that.
Well said. People are often quick to judge others without thinking about the complexities of the situation.
Slavery forever? Those aren't people I want as friends and family, who believe in that.
Constantine P Nah, the Union was objectively in the wrong.
Lol, I respect your troll game.
Constantine P “if you disagree with me you’re a troll”
Robert E Lee’s father gave the eulogy at George Washington’s funeral (Robert was only 2 years old)
Washington died in 1799, Lee was born in 1807.
@@freddy8479 So he was -8 at the time. He was still there.
@@jerry85g7 The eulogy was on Dec 26 1799 in Philadelphia PA (then the capital) Robert E Lee was born Jan 19 1807, in the same county as G Washington. He grew up idolized Washington and the Patriots of 1776. He looked to Washington for examples and his father in law was Washington’s step grandson G.W.P Custis
@@arlonfoster9997 Thx
Eisenhower was a big fan of General Lee. That's enough for me! He wrote: "From deepest conviction I simply state: "A nation of men of Lee's caliber would be unconquerable in Spirit and Soul! ". Fulsome praise from a 5 star General of The Army & POTUS.
That's just a Westpointer praising and showing respect to another Westpointer.
Eisenhower would not have tolerated secession if he was in Lincoln's position. Eisenhower would probably have Lee imprisoned or hanged for treachery.
@@streetgato9697 Probably, maybe, supposedly. Don't be a twerp communist your whole life.
But let's not forget President Ike's reaction when a state rose up to challenge his federal authority. He immediately put it down with military force. Thankfully it didn't involve any shooting, but Ike showed whatever he thought of Lee, he was more on the path of Lincoln.
@@TheStapleGunKid The difference is unlike the spineless slime of today Ike could respect Lee as a gentlemen.
But what is FAR more interesting to consider is what would Ike have done in Lee's shoes? Hmm? He would have done exactly as Lee did.
@@dancooper6002 No I don't think he would have. There's a common misconception that Lee did something typical that almost anyone else would do in his shoes, but that wasn't the case even in his own time.
Out of the 8 pre-war US Army colonels from Virginia, Lee was actually the only one who joined the Confederacy,. Even among the 15 pre-war US army Colonels from all Confederate states, Lee was just 1 of 3 who joined the rebellion. So in fact, when it came to his choice among men in the same position as Lee, he was outlier.
Over 100,000 Southerns fought for the Union, including some of its best officers, like Montgomery Meigs and David Farragut. This of course included many proud Virginians, such as his old commanding officer Winfield Scott.
Even Lee's own cousin, Samuell Lee, as a Union Admiral. When asked why he stayed in the Union, Samuell Lee replied _"When I find the word Virginia in my commission, I will join the Confederacy."_
Happy Birthday General! Your spirit lives on!
Robert Duvall is an awesome actor. Whatever role he takes, he assumes its identity.
The Civil War tore not just across state lines but also family lines as well. My great great grandfather fought for the Union and his older brother, my great great granduncle, fought for the Confederacy.
His brother was a hero for joining the rebellion against the tyrants.
@@Archedgar Well I'm sure he had his reasons for joining the Confederacy. I can only imagine what my great great grandfather thought of his own brother being on the enemy side and the potential that the two might end up on the same battlefield unintentionally shooting at each other. Long story short, my great great grand uncle disappeared after the war and, as far as I know, he was never seen again. My ancestors did own slaves so maybe that was a reason for him to fight, or maybe it was for Southern honour and heritage. Either way, I certainly didn't benefit from it. I grew up poor in Canada. Not poor now but I was in my youth.
@@histman3133 Or maybe he fought for what the rebellion was actually fighting for; States' rights & liberty from the tyrannical and corrupt govt.
@@Archedgar Could very well be. I don't have much information on his military service record other than he was a Lieutenant Colonel of Newsom's Tennessee Cavalry Regiment and he was captured by the Union at Bolivar, Tennessee on Jan. 20th 1864 and was part of a prisoner exchange at Charleston, South Carolina on August 3rd, 1864.
@@histman3133 In any case, my respects to your ancestors (both) and to you as well. You are prudent & centered..... they would be proud.
Ok, so no chance he’ll be hosting “The Bachelor”
"I cannot lead it. I will not lead it."
Cause he’s a shit general
@@Trackrace29582 no he is not
"I never thought I'd live to see the day that a president of the United States would raise an army to invade his own country." Today that army is called the IRS.
Lee was never offered command of the entire Union army, just the Washington Garrison. There was no thought at the time that a large army would be needed to suppress the rebellion in the South. Lee was only a colonel and was outranked by many general officers, including Winfield Scott, was was in command of the U.S. Army.
Lee did not outrank winfield scott dipshit
""I never thought I'd live to see the day that a president of the United States would raise an army to invade his own country."
Wonderful actor, wonderful scene and wonderful words!
And yet it was the south that raised an army against its own country and fired the opening shots. They seized government properties and declared themselves separate. They soon found out differently, thank God or what we would look like today.
@@paulbrasier372 America doesnt even look like America anymore, I dont think the Union won anything
Yet he was ok with treating people as beast of burden, slaves, inferior beings..Shame on him and double shame on those who hold him in high regard or have sympathy for him.
@@HeadhuntexGamer what do you mean by America doesn’t look like America?
@@anineh1551 look around you at tell me that this is what America is suppose to be.
Duvall's accent is so spot on. "Aboout". Very well done
Bry H Because he is a native Virhinian.
He was actually raised in Maryland, but his mother was of the Virginia Lees.
It's because Robert Duvall lives, or at one time lived, in Virginia.
This is why they named the best vehicle the galaxy after him...
Lee wasn’t hung but they did take his home and land in Arlington where now sits the Arlington National Cemetery where Union soldiers that Lee ordered killed lay in honor
I felt the thumbnail was a colorized portrait of Robert e Lee for once. amazing casting
"We could've pursued no other course without dishonor. And sad as the results have been, if it had all to be done over again, we should be compelled to act in precisely the same manner."- General Robert E. Lee
The president does not have the right to call in troops to a different state unless invited by the governor. South Carolina tried to negotiate with Lincoln, he refused. They tried to buy Fort Sumter from the government (even though it was already payed for by and for SC) yet the union refused. They warned they would take it by force if necessary- this is what Lincoln wanted. He admitted as much to Gustavus fox. The battle of Fort Sumter is often laid at the hands of the South, for taking THEIR land back from the Union (and they did it without a single casualty on either side.) How did Lincoln respond? A declaration of war.
Lincoln admitted himself the war was about stopping the south from leaving and that slavery was neither here nor there. Lincoln offered to permanently enshrine slavery into the constitution in order to motivate SC to stay in the union. Lincoln arrested his critics and put them in jail without giving them a trial. He thought Catholics and Mormons ought to be stripped of the right to freedom of religion.
He is easily the most overly praised / deified president. You can make statues of him being portrayed as a God but you can NOT in any way shape or form criticize him or his presidency.
Well what do you think about the fact that the Mormons practiced plural marriage?
The states didn't, and still don't have the right to secede and war on their own nation. I guess Jeff Davis, Bob Lee, and the others were a victim in the end of FAFO: screw around and find out.
South Carolina only wanted to negotiate with Lincoln about setting up diplomatic relations. Stop re-writing history.
This vignette is most likely true. What is missing is that Lee’s hair was black, unblemished by gray, right before the War. Over the war years, his hair turned grizzly gray due to the stresses of that conflict. Lincoln, also, aged considerably durung the War years.
This one scene adds so much perspective to the Civil War. I also believe it was Lincoln himself who offered Lee the position in person. And everyone should remember that at the end of the war Lee was saluted by the Union as an honorable man. We all have to come together before something horrible like this occurs again.
Lee owned human beings, far from an honorable man
It should also be noted that Lee fought a lengthy court battle AFTER the war to try and KEEP HIS SLAVES. Fuck him, he was fucking horrible
C'mon guys, Slavery is horrible but in those days it was the norm. Today those people knowing what we know now would not have the same opinion. We have the benefit of television and the internet, these people had no vison of the wider world and they thought that because these people were not educated and were not "civilised" that they were not the same as them. it is very sad but I don't think this will ever happen again (thank god)
@@foxyrene1 By your logic.....”Cmon guys, all the Germans were into mass murder at the time. It was just the thing back then”.
@@jordanjames2611 In all fairness, even by the standards of the 40s, ethnic genocide was a huge WTF, even by German standards, a huge step down in morality from the Germany of the past that, while housing anti-semetic sentiments, would never have gone so far as ethnic genocide as was done during the Third Reich. In 1860s, America, slavery, while horrible, was the norm.
Not many of you know this most likely but Robert Duvall, the guy in the video above who portrayed Robert E. Lee, is directly related to the deceased General Lee.
Love that Spawn avatar there man.
It is eerie to see Washington, DC depicted in such an idyllic and peaceful way while knowing that the bloodiest chapter of American history was about to commence.
My great Grandmother who lived in Southwest Missouri (Springfield) right on the line between North and South, she one picture of a young man in a Union uniform and another in a Confederate uniform, you see back then it was county option for states that were mixed or on the line, so one relative would be in the Union army and another would be in the Confederate army...literally brother against brother!
Duval does an amazing job as Robert E. Lee,as only has ever done in any role.
Lee had dark hair and a mustache when this event occurred. He didn’t go gray with a beard until later. I dunno why movies always get this wrong. It’s a perfect opportunity to show how constant stress of war ages someone like Lee. At the beginning when this scene occurs Lee was a handsome physical specimen of a man. The war aged him but he never did look like a old elderly man. His hair turned gray but his face still looked like a man in his 50s…..not 70s
That's intresting, because I've never found any photo with general Lee with dark hair
@@cosminblk8359 just google photos of Lee. There is a few from prior to the war. Lee had dark hair and a mustache. No beard. Lee was also not white haired at beginning of the war. He began the war with dark hair and mustache. It wasn’t until he took field command in 1862 that his beard would grow out and hair turn grey. Lee did not look like a elderly man during the war although he did age a lot by the end. Lee’s health decline started right before Gettysburg in 1863. Prior to that he was very robust and top physical shape, always upright without the slightest sign of fatigue. Summer of 1863 he suffered a heart attack and his health began to decline along with aging physically
No, this was in 1961.
Lincoln got it right with Daniel Day Lewis. Dude looked like he’d been run over by a forklift in that scene with Grant on the porch.
Because this movies only real concern is to be Confederate propaganda.
Historians say he went to this meeting in his street clothes not his formal attire (uniform) with sword. The sword gets in the way when he navigates around the room anyway. It was customary to remove the sword at the entrance to a formal setting when sitting was required.
Lee was very popular and highly thought of after the war.
Thanks to the Lost Cause myth
Ah yes General Lee the most overrated general in US history.
Lee was one of the greatest men to ever live. Anti-Americans troll to discredit him because they are to ignorant to understand history.
@@CaugustusWhite Damn I didn't know that betraying the Union for supporting a slave society government was great.
That’s because all you listen to is woke media and don’t know how to read or think for yourself. You can’t help it that your an ignorant F$&K, you’re just a product of your current environment. I don’t blame you at all.
One of the most underrated moments in American History.
Underrated as in massively important or massively unappreciated? Because if it is the latter I’m gonna kill myself
And that's an understatement!
Is this actual footage?
great men
in the history of the United States of America.. Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Jamaica, Brazil, Argentina also American territory... the originality of not naming a country does not take away from appropriating the name of a continent that bears his name in honor of a florentine navigator.
Without Lee as their Commanding General, I wonder how long the war would have lasted? Surely not as long as it did.
That's a possibility but with the likes of stonewall Jackson it's equally possible it could have gone for years more. At the time of surrender the confederate army was beaten but far from broken. Lee could have staged a guerrilla war that would have made Vietnam look like Iraq. Lee took the moral high ground by surrendering before he needed to, to save lives and suffering.
General Lee never wanted to be in the union he always wanted to be a free soldier
Free to own slaves.
@@IdleWorker free to fight for freedom at that time both sides fought for the same cause just different leaders
Some would say that Lee was on the "wrong side of the war" - but you can't deny that mans honor and commitment to his home. A true Virginian.
But how does he compare to other Virginia officers like George Thomas, William Terrill, and Winfield Scott? They chose to stay loyal to the Union.
@@TheStapleGunKid It compares perfectly. They all followed their duty as they saw it. Had he felt this way but nevertheless taken the command for the rank the whatever flory might go with that, he would have been a dishonorable person worthy of our scorn.
@@m444ss But joining a rebellion carried out to preserve slavery forever does not make him a dishonorable person worthy of our scorn? I know Lee didn't join the Confederacy to preserve slavery, but that's what the Confederacy was fighting for regardless of his views, and he still chose to join them.
@UCtPk7lp6OzgXQpGLolKUK3Q Nope, the Confederacy was formed for slavery, fought the war for slavery, and died for slavery. Their fight was on the side of tyranny, not against it.
_"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."_ --Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens.
umm... he WAS on the wrong side.
Yankee Blue doesn't suit Lee at all.
Yeah, even though he served in the US Army in Mexico, it still looks odd on him.
+cynderfan2233 I think it would have suited him much better than Rebel Gray. :p
+antred11 I disagree
+cynderfan2233 Feels weird to see him wearing the colors of the army he fought to defeat
True he looks better in gray
you have to wonder if when he was at Appomattox surrendering to Grant if this day played back in his mind
Both this film and Gettysburg could've been a really epic couple of masterpieces, but to be honest, I found them both dull as dishwater.
Now, Glory on the other hand. That is an amazing film that I could watch again and again.
Why do you feel like Gettysburg is dull?
Agreed on both Glory and Gods and Generals, disagreed on Gettysburg. But agreement on 2 out of 3 isn’t so bad. Lol
"Challenging our Constitution". Nowhere in the Constitution does it say a state may not secede. That is a real flaw in that document. But at the time the Founders could not have foreseen events 100 years ahead.
Uh, the Constitution specifically says that 'states shall not form independent alliances or enter into confederation with one another'.
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Are you asking me, or the OP? In either case, you're on the net. Use it. Dont know whats up with this 'I disagree so you must show me' stuff. No wonder people today dont know jack, they cant even look for knowledge themselves.
+Joe Smith i think it went without saying that the union could be broken by a state at will, even in this clip he calls virginia his country which i am sure is how the founders would have felt.
Gilbert Van Buskirk i just dont feel they would have entered into a union they did not believe could also retract their state from.
+Joe Smith Article I Section 10: No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility........No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
Pretty clear to me that forming the Confederate States and raising an army without the consent of congress was illegal.
Imagine how the south would look today if Lincoln had taken their Treason a bit more personal and got just a bit more angry and irrational....
You mean like what Sherman did to Georgia, South Carolina, and North Carolina?
@@PastorJimmyParkerI think the South was more angry at Sherman than Lincoln. Personally I don’t like Sherman
I understand why he did it, but I agree. Had The Union held southern politicians and generals (and other officers) to account for treason, and been executed, it might have changed the next 100 years. Similarly, had Rutherford B. Hayes not made a deal with southern Democrats to end Reconstruction in exchange for him getting an Oval Office, leading to decades of violence against African-Americans, maybe it doesn't occur, and maybe we don't have the south, 160 years later, still in denial over the war.
@@PastorJimmyParker Uncle Billy did what he should have done: denied foodstuffs and material for the Confederate army.
@@arlonfoster9997 I love Sherman. He knew the war wasn't gentlemanly, as many tried to say it was in 1861. He knew to win, you had to destroy your enemy and break his will. Had The Union had a general like Sherman and Grant available in 1862, instead of Pope, McClellan, Hooker, and Burnside, the war would probably ended in that year.
He was only a Lt Col. not a full bird Colonel.
Even enemies can show each other respect
I sure like Robert Duvall ... damn good actor!
Back when your loyalty was to your state, rather then the all supreme federal government. Too bad it's not like that still might solve a lot of issues.
People don't think about states today the way they did back then. Young people especially move several times in their lifetime depending on job opportunities. For most people a state is just where they happen to be living at the time and just a geographic entity on a map.
And slavery! Don't forget slavery!
Okay Mr Jim Crow
I'm no historian, But I could feel in that era honor, valor and loyalty was something really matter. Now, All that really matter was only Who can gave a man a best price to bought his service.
And that excuses the treatment blacks received because?
After Appomattox, Lee told his men to
"...fold the flag and put it away, or else it will be devisive. "
He also said, against civil war monuments, "...best to not keep open the sores of war. " 🇺🇸
What Lee said was the sentiment of many, especially in the south. There was a higher calling and duty to one's home state than to The Union.
In the movie "National Treasure: Book of Secrets", the character Ben Gates, played by Nicholas cage has a great quote, and I firmly believe it to be true: "Before the Civil War, the states were all separate. People used to say "United States are." Wasn't until the war ended, people started saying "The United States is." Under Lincoln, we became one nation."
After the Civil War, it became almost inconceivable that a man, like Lee, who graduated from West Point, fought for the Union in Mexico, and served honorably, would think it more important and would hold a higher calling for ones' state, instead of one nation.
"Loyalty to state over the loyalty to the federal government"
That's how I roll.
Texas first.
lmao
why have a country at all with that mentality
@@omarreyes7626 It's not about having a country.
It's about if put into a position where you had to fight your home state for the Federal government.
@@omarreyes7626 Most people back then didn't leave their own state. They felt that the union was a collections of states acting together.
If this were disney, he would have started singing about how great Virginia is
If this were Disney, General Lee would have been played by a lesbian African American female
@@landeny65 how much has changed in only 4 years
Hell yeah. Gettysburg the musical
@@landeny65 in what world do you live in i relly am curious.
@@JackieAprileJr I will always rank Hamilton as the best musical
Robert E. Lee conducted himself like a true gentleman. Though he fought for the South and practiced evil in the form of slavery, he was not an evil man. It’s said he treated freedmen with dignity upon the abolition of slavery.
Yes and he also supported a ban on slavery in Virginia at the state level before the war but was against the federal government getting involved in the issue
He looked better in grey anyway.
Had Lee chosen to do anything other than to uphold his constitution and to do his duty, then he would not have been Lee and we needn't worry about what might have been.
Robert Duvall is so good
Robert E. Lee man with honor
Some oats meant alot for him, some oats meant nothing.
*BRILLANTES ACTUACIONES*
This was Robert Duvall's greatest rôle. His Tidewater Virginia accent is perfect.
He was pretty darn good as Capt Augustus McRea as well
Worst Tidewater Virginia accent I heard all year. Sounded more Blue Ridge Lynchburg to me. His Boo Radley was much better at the declensions.
Lee was only 54 years old in 1861.
Lincoln should have asked him himself. Show some class Abe
2022: perhaps the government knows our minds better than we ourselves
It is 2 bad they never made The last Full Measure into a movie. I loved Gettysburg and Gods and Generals.
A true leader. Not swayed by power or riches, but by honor.
George Washington was a traitor ;)
Shoresh Fathi Yes, he was to the British and the Empire that so decidedly oppressed and taxed them without representation. General Lee committed treason and lost for an ideology abhorrent to many, if not most, Americans then and almost all Americans today. Southern states had representation and could decide most taxes locally.
The colonies revolted for liberty and representative government. The reason for the southern revolt, in large part, was the acceptance of non-slavery states like California into the Union that gave the majority in both the House of Representatives and Senate to non-slave states. They revolted for states right, what exactly were those states rights? To own, buy, and sell slaves. It was, obviously, part of a racist ideology of slavery.
+Shoresh Fathi
Fuck you
The southern states were also being taxed incredibly harsh by the federal government for the agriculture and the Cotton. It was a build up, not just of slavery, but of other economic problems forced on the south by the north. Slavery, to be sure, was a scorn, but it was also legal in some northern states. The last state to abolish slavery was Delaware, a union state. As a matter of fact the Emmancipation Proclaimation only abolished slavery in the Southern Confederacy States and not in the Union. This war was over States rights, especially a state's right to secede from the Union, a right which is in the Constitution. Yes, it is better that the north won, but what most people do not know is that both Robert E. Lee AND Jefferson Davis, as well as General G.T. Beauregard, fought for civil rights for freed slaves in the south after the war and almost until the days that they died. Gen. Beauregard worked with Plessy on civil rights but never gets credit for the work done to promote the lives and liberties of the former slaves in the south.
The States Rights were not to own, buy, and sell slaves, but to govern their own sovergnty as they saw fit.
+Shoresh Fathi
Happy Treason Day, you Ungrateful Colonials!
To Lee, Virginia was his country. If he had taken command of the Army of the Potomac the war would have been over in short order. He used tactics where Grant used attrition, he had more of everything men and equipment.