I used the only two empty slots in my breaker panel to run power to my home theater, luckily they were right on top after the main lines going in, and in separate poles, got one for the two subwoofers and the other one to the equipment rack including the projector. I wish I had more empty slots, but I got a decent power supply on the rack. I might branch out of the main breaker panel in the future but so far no need for it. Great video as usual Paul. Thanks.
It is very important to run dedicated lines for all your audio gear and it is important on how they are run and connected. First it is important to make sure when running each line they be pulled from one side of the panel on is on the same phase. Your electrical panel splits the 220 volt feed from the street to 110 volts on each side of the panel. The issue is they are on different phases and if you have components on different phases and sharing a common ground you will ground loop hums. This is what happens when people who do not have dedicated lines and have audio components hooked up to different phases. Another thing is do not use romex, it simply sounds bad. Your better off running separate 10 gauge wire in conduit. You can even go as farther as twisting the wire ( reverse twist, not to tight ) which will help reject emi interference. The ac sockets themselves also make a difference in the sound, so choose audio grade ac outlets. It does make a difference. Everything in a high quality music system makes a difference so attention to detail in every aspect of a audio system design is important to get the best possible sound. Lastly i am however not a fan of ac line conditioners or filters. I find them to be restrictive and compromise dynamics and alter sonics negatively. At least with the everyone i have heard and tried myself. Not to say there are not good ones that can actually improve the sound but that is an important question you must ask yourself. When you put anything in your system is it truly better or is it just altering the sound in a way that gives you the illusion its better by masking miss matches in your system, OR altering the sound in a way that emphasizes parts of the sound spectrum that makes you hear certain aspects of the music. This is a coloration not an improvement. This is important when evaluating anything in a music system.
That right. I use a separate power cable for my audio devices which is connected to a GigaWatt G-C20A installation circuit breaker. Works really well, no more major influences from other electronics in the house.
Hi Paul. These videos you offer are simply amazing! Excellent info and a great way to invite people into your world to see if they would like to expand their appreciation of music more deeply, significantly, and more tangibly :) It's a hard sell nowadays, and I respect your channel very much !
My audio supply is through a 10kva isolation transformer (230v UK with MOV's) feeding 4mm MICC cable with a separate TT spike into the ground for earth. No harmonics on mains above 100Hz and no RF noise and EMI immune, makes a big difference!
Surely all the noise gets transported through the main consumer unit (fuse box) though? E.g power over ethernet (which I don't use btw) works on different circuits.
Completely different approach of what others say like Michael Fremer. He mentions if it’s not in one dedicated circuit line the. It creates ground loops, but he is not an engineer like you so I will take your word as law Mr P. Great explanation.
Isn't all the ground wires (green or bare grounding conductors) connected to a ground bar in the power panel? How would you isolate the grounds? Grounding system is all tied together.
Does anyone know if Paul is talking about using a separate wire run to from the panel to each individual electrical outlet in a duplex receptacle? Or does he mean using a single run for the pair of outlets in a duplex receptacle? It sounds like splitting hairs but I'll be adding a new system electrical supply in addition to rewiring the existing outlets in an older home. With lath and plaster walls. and I really would love to get it right the first time so I don't have to repair the plaster walls more than once since I really abhor dealing with the almost supernaturally tenacious, house-infesting dust such a job creates. That grit finds its way into places you wouldn't believe or ever want to imagine!
How can you keep anything truly seperate in terms of interference, when the supply is AC, and at numerous places within home distribution there exists common connections, impossible,, the best way imo.is to filter at the point of utilisation, Electrician 20+ yrs.
There is one thing you forgot to mention. All you talk about is relevant, however there is a big problem with 60hZ RADIATION. it is an electromagnetic force. If you touch any amp input with your finger you will hear that 60hz buzz same thing if you raise the volume of an amp all the way it can not escape you the buzz. it comes through everywhere cables, pickup capsule, speakers whires;( everywere) The problem is everywhere in proximity to house or industrial power. One way to begin to attenuate this radiation is to treat all feed wires by cutting the conductors to a non 60 Hz resonance length, also install 30 MF, appropriate for the voltage, capacitors to a the line both, hot and neutral to ground to channel all that radiation to a dedicated ground. I ment a 30f length of 3/4 in copper pipe buried vertically in the ground and treated with salt water once a few month.Try it and you will be ashtonish of the results.
Would running the Home Run wiring benefit if it was installed in conduit? Or would that make things even worse since the wires would run together all the way to the power panel? I often wondered if the conduit would be a wise choice to install your wiring since the conduit would be some what of a shield for the wiring, (since the raceway is connected to ground). Although possible, running multiple conduits for each circuit is possible, it would be very labor intensive.
Hi Paul, Roger from Queensland Australia here. Long time viewer/subscriber, first time commenting. To start with, I realty enjoy your wide expance of audio knowledge and especially your demeanor. You're a good bloke. Here in Australia we use three pin plugs for our power outlets (just to reiterate mate). I do have a question though, while I'm here. I have an Integra (Onkyo) 7.2 duel zone amp and a set of Welling speakers. I'm very interested in installing a pre amp and DAC. You probably have answered this question a thousand times, but here we go. (I'm struggling on how to ask this question, so that you understand). Seeing my system is 7.2 what pre amp is compatible or capable to hook up seven speakers and a sub and how is the DAC setup inline with the setup. Also which amp controls tge volume, the main 7.2 amp or the pre amp? I hope you get what my question is and I look forward to hearing from you.
Paul, I have a question. If the separate wiring is too much of an expense would several of the PS Noise Harvesters essentially provide a similar solution to that problem?
@2:21 🤔🧐 HMM, YEAH. ..I WONDER IF THIS ALSO PLAYS A PART IN ‘WHY STEREOS SOUND BETTER AT NIGHT’ AS MENTIONED IN ONE OF THE OTHER VIDEOS?? ..SINCE PEOPLE/FAMILIES ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE OTHER APPLIANCES IN THE HOUSE TURNED ‘OFF’..
Just like a car stereo. Separate battery equals his junction box then a separately fused power to each amplifier with separate grounds to each amplifier.
I never understood why power cables are said to make such a difference in sound when most of us have 12 awg romex in the walls. I've never heard a difference am I missing something?
Steve Wodell no I do not think that you are missing something, you are just lucky! imagine, as Paul says, one wire where you have some led lights, your refrigerator and other things mounted on, they will all make a lot of electrical noise on the wirering. To avoid that, you can chose to run a single separate wires to your entire system, but then you risk that your DAC are putting noise into the cable your amplifier are feeding of and your amplifier do also make noise that your DAC have to feed of. So therefore do Paul say that separate wires, all the way, to each component are best.
No you're not missing anything, neither a special power cable nor a separate circuit from the distribution unit will reject the kind of noise generated by, for example, a fridge motor starting; however, any decent amplifier already has a noise filter on its power input as well as schemes in the circuit design to isolate any EMI that does get coupled to the internal power rails.
Intodrives I mostly agree with you but he got one thing right. The shared circuit can cause the devices on it to interfere with each other. One example of this is my computer. It would cause an audible hum to come out of my system because it and the system were on the same circuit.
Not BS at all. He is referring to a dedicated, isolated circuit. A good circuit for computers also. In that type circuit, any hash on the neutral or ground will flow back to the power station, and not back to your dedicated circuit components.
I used the only two empty slots in my breaker panel to run power to my home theater, luckily they were right on top after the main lines going in, and in separate poles, got one for the two subwoofers and the other one to the equipment rack including the projector. I wish I had more empty slots, but I got a decent power supply on the rack. I might branch out of the main breaker panel in the future but so far no need for it. Great video as usual Paul. Thanks.
It is very important to run dedicated lines for all your audio gear and it is important on how they are run and connected. First it is important to make sure when running each line they be pulled from one side of the panel on is on the same phase. Your electrical panel splits the 220 volt feed from the street to 110 volts on each side of the panel. The issue is they are on different phases and if you have components on different phases and sharing a common ground you will ground loop hums. This is what happens when people who do not have dedicated lines and have audio components hooked up to different phases. Another thing is do not use romex, it simply sounds bad. Your better off running separate 10 gauge wire in conduit. You can even go as farther as twisting the wire ( reverse twist, not to tight ) which will help reject emi interference. The ac sockets themselves also make a difference in the sound, so choose audio grade ac outlets. It does make a difference. Everything in a high quality music system makes a difference so attention to detail in every aspect of a audio system design is important to get the best possible sound.
Lastly i am however not a fan of ac line conditioners or filters. I find them to be restrictive and compromise dynamics and alter sonics negatively. At least with the everyone i have heard and tried myself. Not to say there are not good ones that can actually improve the sound but that is an important question you must ask yourself. When you put anything in your system is it truly better or is it just altering the sound in a way that gives you the illusion its better by masking miss matches in your system, OR altering the sound in a way that emphasizes parts of the sound spectrum that makes you hear certain aspects of the music. This is a coloration not an improvement. This is important when evaluating anything in a music system.
That right. I use a separate power cable for my audio devices which is connected to a GigaWatt G-C20A installation circuit breaker. Works really well, no more major influences from other electronics in the house.
Hi Paul. These videos you offer are simply amazing! Excellent info and a great way to invite people into your world to see if they would like to expand their appreciation of music more deeply, significantly, and more tangibly :) It's a hard sell nowadays, and I respect your channel very much !
My audio supply is through a 10kva isolation transformer (230v UK with MOV's) feeding 4mm MICC cable with a separate TT spike into the ground for earth. No harmonics on mains above 100Hz and no RF noise and EMI immune, makes a big difference!
Surely all the noise gets transported through the main consumer unit (fuse box) though? E.g power over ethernet (which I don't use btw) works on different circuits.
Completely different approach of what others say like Michael Fremer. He mentions if it’s not in one dedicated circuit line the. It creates ground loops, but he is not an engineer like you so I will take your word as law Mr P. Great explanation.
Isn't all the ground wires (green or bare grounding conductors) connected to a ground bar in the power panel? How would you isolate the grounds? Grounding system is all tied together.
Exactly what I imagined occurred pretty much. Thx
Does anyone know if Paul is talking about using a separate wire run to from the panel to each individual electrical outlet in a duplex receptacle? Or does he mean using a single run for the pair of outlets in a duplex receptacle? It sounds like splitting hairs but I'll be adding a new system electrical supply in addition to rewiring the existing outlets in an older home. With lath and plaster walls. and I really would love to get it right the first time so I don't have to repair the plaster walls more than once since I really abhor dealing with the almost supernaturally tenacious, house-infesting dust such a job creates. That grit finds its way into places you wouldn't believe or ever want to imagine!
How can you keep anything truly seperate in terms of interference, when the supply is AC, and at numerous places within home distribution there exists common connections, impossible,,
the best way imo.is to filter at the point of utilisation,
Electrician 20+ yrs.
There is one thing you forgot to mention. All you talk about is relevant, however there is a big problem with 60hZ RADIATION. it is an electromagnetic force.
If you touch any amp input with your finger you will hear that 60hz buzz same thing if you raise the volume of an amp all the way it can not escape you the buzz. it comes through everywhere cables, pickup capsule, speakers whires;( everywere) The problem is everywhere in proximity to house or industrial power. One way to begin to attenuate this radiation is to treat all feed wires by cutting the conductors to a non 60 Hz resonance length, also install 30 MF, appropriate for the voltage, capacitors to a the line both, hot and neutral to ground to channel all that radiation to a dedicated ground. I ment a 30f length of 3/4 in copper pipe buried vertically in the ground and treated with salt water once a few month.Try it and you will be ashtonish of the results.
I "stargrounded" my tonearm base to the turntable base which was of course grounded to the preamp.. Numerous problems solved.
Would running the Home Run wiring benefit if it was installed in conduit? Or would that make things even worse since the wires would run together all the way to the power panel? I often wondered if the conduit would be a wise choice to install your wiring since the conduit would be some what of a shield for the wiring, (since the raceway is connected to ground). Although possible, running multiple conduits for each circuit is possible, it would be very labor intensive.
Hi Paul,
Roger from Queensland Australia here.
Long time viewer/subscriber, first time commenting.
To start with, I realty enjoy your wide expance of audio knowledge and especially your demeanor. You're a good bloke. Here in Australia we use three pin plugs for our power outlets (just to reiterate mate).
I do have a question though, while I'm here.
I have an Integra (Onkyo) 7.2 duel zone amp and a set of Welling speakers. I'm very interested in installing a pre amp and DAC.
You probably have answered this question a thousand times, but here we go.
(I'm struggling on how to ask this question, so that you understand).
Seeing my system is 7.2 what pre amp is compatible or capable to hook up seven speakers and a sub and how is the DAC setup inline with the setup. Also which amp controls tge volume, the main 7.2 amp or the pre amp?
I hope you get what my question is and I look forward to hearing from you.
It's amazing how people actually believe that you know what you are talking about..!! LOL!
Paul, I have a question. If the separate wiring is too much of an expense would several of the PS Noise Harvesters essentially provide a similar solution to that problem?
@2:21 🤔🧐 HMM, YEAH.
..I WONDER IF THIS ALSO PLAYS A PART IN ‘WHY STEREOS SOUND BETTER AT NIGHT’ AS MENTIONED IN ONE OF THE OTHER VIDEOS??
..SINCE PEOPLE/FAMILIES ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE OTHER APPLIANCES IN THE HOUSE TURNED ‘OFF’..
Just like a car stereo. Separate battery equals his junction box then a separately fused power to each amplifier with separate grounds to each amplifier.
The last 3 minutes is black silence.
Good advice too.
I never understood why power cables are said to make such a difference in sound when most of us have 12 awg romex in the walls. I've never heard a difference am I missing something?
Steve Wodell no I do not think that you are missing something, you are just lucky!
imagine, as Paul says, one wire where you have some led lights, your refrigerator and other things mounted on, they will all make a lot of electrical noise on the wirering.
To avoid that, you can chose to run a single separate wires to your entire system, but then you risk that your DAC are putting noise into the cable your amplifier are feeding of and your amplifier do also make noise that your DAC have to feed of.
So therefore do Paul say that separate wires, all the way, to each component are best.
No you're not missing anything, neither a special power cable nor a separate circuit from the distribution unit will reject the kind of noise generated by, for example, a fridge motor starting; however, any decent amplifier already has a noise filter on its power input as well as schemes in the circuit design to isolate any EMI that does get coupled to the internal power rails.
Yes, yes you are.
When is the NAS going to be released?
Is a 20 amp of any benefit?
Another good video, I understood what you were talking completely.. BUT 2 minutes and 45 seconds of a BLANK screen.....
3:45 Illuminati confirmed.
Far fetched crap. Lets make the grid audiophile and run the whole thing with gold wire! #bullshit
Another BS story! Sorry but it is BS! All house are connected. You will need a cable to you powerstation. In my case 159 km away.
Intodrives I mostly agree with you but he got one thing right.
The shared circuit can cause the devices on it to interfere with each other.
One example of this is my computer. It would cause an audible hum to come out of my system because it and the system were on the same circuit.
Not BS at all. He is referring to a dedicated, isolated circuit. A good circuit for computers also. In that type circuit, any hash on the neutral or ground will flow back to the power station, and not back to your dedicated circuit components.