The Brabham BT 46 b Fan Car F1 1978
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2012
- Bits from three TV documentaries about the Brabham BT 46 b Formula One racing car, designed by Gordon Murray for the Brabham/Alfa Romeo team, for the 1978 Formula One season.
Gordon Murray, Peter Wright and Bernie Ecclestone talk about the 1978 F1 season and ground effect cars (1:44 - 4:58).
An other video clip from a BBC Four documentary is here:
• Brabham BT46B Fan Car ...
The fan car was only raced once, driven by Niki Lauda and John Watson at the 1978 Swedish Grand Prix in Anderstorp. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabham_... 
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"It was embarrassingly fast" haha
No one gave a sh** until he won the race...
Because they were sandbagging in practice and qualifying
@@ChakibTsouli the Irony now is in the modern era a number of F1 teams known for sandbagging
HAHAHA *"Embarrassingly quick, so quick it was actually embarassing."*
That's pretty awesome when your passing your enemy so bad (on the outside) that you actually feel embarassed or guilty about it. What an engineering revolution lol.
That fan was such a genius thing, I wish they continued using it
his newest car has the fan
Imagine if they haven't banned fan cars... F1 would be VERY different nowadays...
MORON
Yes u r
They didnt ban it was voluntarily withdrawn by Brabham
@@fabianrocha9924 They banned it later
First time I saw this I was blown away. Now I'm absolutely a big fan.
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there needs to be an unlimited class of f-1, call it f-x perhaps
That is the most epic idea in F1 history ever .
Have you seen the Red Bull X2010-11 from Gran Turismo? It is essentially a theoretical "no regulations" car that an expert engineer came up with. It features a down force fan, enclosed wheels and a fully enclosed cockpit. I only wish there was some manufacturer crazy enough to make it a reality.
Expert engineer. lol You mean Adrian Newey. He's the gordon murray of today.
They all were sore losers. All of them. The fan car was an amazing idea. Just another way to make F1 in to a sport that no one really bothers watching anymore. I dare anyone to say i'm wrong. Back in the day it was a major thing, it was on the national television big thing, now...pft. No one even bothers saying anything about F1 unless there's a crash and someone dies.
aserta yeah I used to love watching F1
You're wrong lol
You _are_ wrong.
the car was never banned , it was withdrew.
I think it was banned from the next season, they were allowed to use it that year
@@Robert-xc8yw They begged the owner of the company to withdrew it due to political pressure
@@jormundaggrfarlier5010 They didnt
Bernie Ecclestone needed the support of the other Teams because at the time he became the Chief of something that I forgot so he decided to withdraw the car
They should not limit the team on aerodynamic design, because that can make up for the engine difference. Now days watching F1 is like watching 3 team racing each other.
make that one team now
A lack of limitation actually makes that worse. CanAm started out as an unlimited formula but there were only two teams - McLaren and later Porsche - who really won any races. Nobody else had the money to compete against them.
It's like u put a 2016 f1 vs a 2017 f1. What a GREAT idea by the team. 💪🏼
2018 Alfa Romeo is back 🇮🇹😎
Murray made a stupid mistake, he did not hide the fan. He should put the fan on the top of engine like on Porcsche`s F1 and Le Mans cars and explain it is for radiators and it would be much harder to ban.
then they would come into worse trouble in future if officials found out
Cooling fan is not illegal.
They didn't ban it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
It was legal and never banned. He couldnt put it on top of the car it was driven off the crank. Too complicated and not enough space, plus its still there 😂
It wasn't actually banned, the other teams pressured Brabham to withdraw it
I didn't know Niki Lauda Drove Vacume Car, learned something knew today!
He did this genius invention and win and FIA banned the car? What a fair competition.
I thought they voluntarily pulled out
They didnt use the car anymore after one race because Bernie Ecclestone was the team chef and didnt wanna fuck with the other teams because that would hinder his business affairs. It even sas that in the Video did you even fucking watch it?
Obito Uchiha No need to be so rude, you know?
niki lauda said it was too physically exhausting to drive because of the g-forces, so it probably would've been scrapped fairly quickly anyway
@@jemimallah2591 they might have had to start wearing g force suits if it didnt get scrapped..a real pity we will never know what could have been
One Race One Win👍
Never banned ! Retired ! Gordon did miracles with the Alfa engine but I will never forgive him running Watson out of fuel in Silverstone while leading easily... and Reutemman in Buenos Aires...
Yes but they weren't using the fan car at Silverstone. And from memory, that was the BT45.
Pikes peak is more of an annual time attack where vehicles do not race at the same time. F1 runs a series of races in different locations and is not a once a year deal. so like i said, an unlimited class of F1 would be bad ass.
Ho would it improve racing?
Brabham is my *_F A N_*
Reminds me of Graeme Obree's track bike. Cos he won on it they had to ban it.
closest thing to that was the original can-am series
it would be interesting to see how this car would go (on modern tyres/suspension) against a modern f1 car.
It wouldn't stand a chance.
lol anybody else see that at 5:50 ?
***** Yes, that's his team mate John Watson, you can see him at about 2:16, right after Lauda in the red Helmet, is Watson in the Silver helmet.
4:57 won’t write a book. Will build a supercar called T.50
this good inovation and good idea to take this system to RWD Car..
Another car had this
does this mean heat seaking missiles?
This is where the McMurty started
his rolling controversy took the lead. ahaha
Such a cool design, F1 could've gone two very different directions from this point in time.
*They could've ALLOWED IT, and F1 would probably be going 300mph around hairpin turns by now if so lol.*
*OR, they disqualified them for outsmarting the rules with engineering, obviously history chose this option. Now F1 cars need to wade through miles of red tape and politics just to race.* hmm
Nothing about that would have improved racing.
@@thethirdman225 It absolutely DID and WOULD improve racing. Creating a vacuum under the car improves grip, which is one of the main *limiting* factors in how fast vehicles can go.
@@cybertree
*_"It absolutely DID and WOULD improve racing. Creating a vacuum under the car improves grip, which is one of the main limiting factors in how fast vehicles can go."_*
I _know_ the theory of it. But how did this improve racing, other than in one race? It didn't. Everyone knew this car would be banned, Gordon Murray included. It was just an engineering exercise. It harked back to the Chaparral 2J and we know what happened to that car.
The fact is, I see better racing in Formula Ford than in Formula 1. Personally, I like one-design series, like Australia's S5000. When the cars are basically identical, the racing decides who the best driver is (which is the object of the exercise). The ideal formula would combine technical development with close racing. The two have to be balanced. Vacuum cars might be able to pull huge Gs but even if all the cars had it, there's no guarantee the racing would be close.
People always complain that anyone could drive one of these things and there's no skill anymore, etc.. So what do you want? A car that can be driven by a monkey or something requiring skill? It's like those fans who talk about "tech" development but want to go back to V10s or manual gearboxes.
@@cybertree The fact is that we tried unlimited racing in the 1960s and 70s with a thing called CanAm. It was good for a few years but it was dominated by McLaren and eventually, Porsche. If you weren't in one of those team, you stood little chance at all. In the end they called the Porsche 917/30, "the car that killed CanAm". People can jizz off all they like about how fast it was in a straight line but the fact was, the racing was _boring._
The next year, CanAm had to face reality and introduce rules. They didn't want to do it but falling interest and plummeting revenue left them with no choice.
@@thethirdman225 I hear what you mean, it definitely lessens the engineering challenge in other areas *at first*, however everything is relative, and if everyone is using fans, it only creates a level playing field to out-do/drive your opponents at even higher speeds (i.e. who can utilize the fan the best, maybe they could limit the amount of time your fan can be turned on so the drivers have to use it at their expert discretion) I genuinely want to see a no-limits (within reason) F1. If one team dominates it until the end of time, so be it, they used the parameters best period. I'll be the first to admit I went from loving large engine manual gearboxed vehicles to appreciating lighter turbo-charged PDK gearboxed vehicles. I'm an engineering/skill fan too, I love the trickle-down technology effect F1 has on production cars due to so many restrictions, they're a good thing. I just think they should do a special event where each company can be mostly unlimited.
They do this in motorsport all the time. The teams that get crushed, belly ache until the rules are changed. Did the same thing in nascar. Play by the rules and come up with some dominate technology just to see the corporate turds whine until they get their way.
Shut up.
Personne ne sait ou est passé le chat?
It wouldn't be lethal if they developed safety innoavtions
you mean group B, and it wasnt unlimited.
and computers to drive them
Back when they did something innovative . Now all the cars are the same . Just slightly different thats all .
@StoneSlinger0oo0 i to want to see it in real life (in fact, gt5 X2010 deiscription is what brung me here, this car, the BT46B is in the discription) the problem with the X2010 + 11 is G force, 8 G will easily kill a human :/... shame that... RC CAR ANYONE!? :D
How sensory the fan is not spinning ah. . .
+L.V JzxRoyal The silver thing is NOT the fan blades....
+D4RKBRU73 ok i know... thanks
@@l.vjzxroyal1367 It's called a Stator.
It is sad when you watch 70s and 80s f1 and then watch modern... I always end up falling asleep. Great technology, stupid rules and regulations. so that it's "safe"
Yes, I meant Group B. And making it unlimited would have only made it more deadly. That said, I can sympathize with safety rules to slow the cars down and make them safe, but seriously, banning innovation isn't good. F-ducts and double diffusers should be allowed to stay, because larger teams gain an advantage but only until the smaller teams catch up. Constant rule changes only benefit the big teams that can afford to throw everything out and start R&D from the beginning.
...or F-ZERO >_>
yes i have, and it is beyond bad ass. If only Indy would combine the x-1 and the nissan/nismo delta wing prototype it would better then F1.
How would that improve racing?
It's stupid that this is still a "black art" or racing....
This is why the formula one is so boring now. No innovation because everything is banned.
+jedi22300 amen to that they need a F0
Lol, f1 is and has always been a shitshow. how can anyone watch a competition were only 3-4 teams can realistically do somethinh.. lol
Not really, IMO it used to be better, but it's not as good now.
I used to be a fan, so I was harsh, I just find it to be so tedious and boring these days! Full of drama queen drivers who act like women...
@@GrinddalCPH I can agree.
You so obviously weren't around in the 1970s.
@@GrinddalCPH What's the matter? Don't you like women?
Too lethal. They tried it in rally, it was called class B.
just a copy of chaparral car
Not really. It was similar but not the same.
@@thethirdman225 i said the idea,not the car
@@thethirdman225 if this car had the same idea,some different details aren`t a new creation
@@nãomedigafrivolidade That’s not the same as calling it a _copy_ which it was not (The internet has to stop using that word so mindlessly). It would have been much more difficult to seal the sides of the Brabham and the power takeoff system was a much better idea. Furthermore, the Brabham worked first time whereas the Chaparral didn’t.
@@nãomedigafrivolidade
*_”i said the idea,not the car”_*
No, you said:
*_”just a copy of chaparral car”_*
You didn’t mention the idea. Not the same thing.
Colin's genius against Bernie's cheating. Does anything change?
cheating? You're an absolute fucking idiot. The fan car was not cheating. Not to mention, Bernie didn't make the fan car, Gordon did
You might have missed it but skirts could have been banned under the same rule.
Rip it to shreds? Nowadays F1 is for wimps. Even Nascar is more challenging at this point. Those pilots, those times were the real F1 cars and racers. It's pathetic, really.
3 years later, nothing has changed and it's even more boring.
You have no idea about what driving a modern f1 car means...
I’m sorry but anyone could drive a modern nascar racer quickly but if you watch normal people try to drive a formula one car they can’t even use full throttle
Modern F1 is insane lol the g force is near to jet planes through corners
@@chris51330 Except that pilots experience vertical G, while drivers experience lateral G. The trouble with vertical G is that with every increase in G number, the column of blood in the artery that goes to the brain falls by 25mm. At 9G the column of blood barely gets out of the heart and the brain is reliant solely on oxygen reserves until it can be replenished by fresh blood. Once those reserves are used up, the pilot will likely experience GLOC (G-induced Loss Of Consciousness). Drivers do not experience this at all.