What if the One Ring Went West During the Third Age? Theory
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- Опубликовано: 30 дек 2017
- The One Ring is a vital instrument of Sauron's survival and downfall in the Lord of the Rings, but what would happen if it wasn't in Middle-Earth during the War of the Ring? Thank you all so much for watching, this video was so much fun to make! Let me know your thoughts about this theory in the comments below! Would it happen like this or would the tale go differently? Happy New Years everyone, I will see you all soon! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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I think it's far more likely Glorfindel would have been corrupted by the ring before ever reaching Valinor. Being such a powerful elf, it would have a very strong influence on him.
Sending everything bad to the west lol. Let’s send poo to the west too
They're taking the hobbits to Valinor!
Agreed
It's interesting how this theory ends with an alternate version of Dagor Dagorath.
That is the final battle with Melkor, not Sauron. In this they are just ridding the world of Sauron to begin the age of men, devoid of magic.
You may be too generous with how willing the Free Peoples would come together.
My thought exactly.
@@hunkleberrymilldewbeespark3851 Nah they would all come together but one person would tell the other armies the wrong location on accident
Yeah what if the elves and dwarves refused to fight on the same side
Without the one ring no one feel the need to possess the ring so yeah i think the free people will come together to kick sauron butt
Well, the whole point of this video is to send the One Ring to the west, so of course the free people have to somewhat agree to do that.
The joy of a 1000 hobbits enjoying there second breakfast!!! Love that one!
Haha
hahaha came to comment that and it was top
The logistical nightmare of feeding all then as their accustomed.
@Toxic Delirium Dude. Fuck off
I felt that one in my core. I love a second breakfast
Interesting take, however, I believe the Valar in their wisdom would not reject something like that but rather find a way to destroy it themselves or bind Sauron's will to it in order to summon him back. Also, if Ents were up against the black gates they would have brought entire forests with them of huorns and though they should be lit on fire this would undoubtedly overwhelm Sauron's forces. The end would have been very different I think, especially with Glorfindel championing the free peoples' cause before the Valar.
The One Ring is specifically an artifact of Middle-Earth and is of its nature. Although the Valar accepted the Silmaril of Eärendil, I believe that is because of its creation in Valinor. The One Ring in contrary is purely of Middle-Earth and does not belong to Valinor like Sauron does.
Out of that I would expect the Valar to reject the One Ring, however accept Sauron like they did here Saruman as they are both Maiar.
@@fisch37 I think there may be some confusion here as Middle-earth is still overseen by Manwë and his governance. It is a part of Arda and as such under his protection. Tolkien stated that he was keen to be involved in combating Sauron’s influence even from afar, thus why the Great Eagles and Wizards were sent by Manwë. It is not so much a matter of whether it belonged in Valinor but more of holding one of their own accountable with part of his (Sauron’s) will imbued within the ring itself. Just some deductions.
@@ErelasInglor That's a fair point...
It might have been forged in middle earth but it holds a piece of Sauron in it. Like a horacrux in Harry Potter
Here's a theory... What Smaug hadn't died in the hobbit?
James Derington here’s another. What if Bilbo died by a orc filled with std’s. R.I.P Bilbo Baggins. Death by Penetration.
If he would have been turned to good, he could have destroyed it (apparently it's only the fire from were it was created and the flame of a dragon that could destroy it).
@Jason Rasmussen While I don't remember all the specific names, or when in the story it happened, I do remember somewhere in the LOTR story, that Gandolf specifically said that not even the fire from the most powerful dragon that ever lived could destroy the one ring, that only the fires (aka magma) from the volcano in which it was forged could destroy it. So not even tossing it into any active volcano, lava flow or magma chamber would do, only that one specific spot would work, is what I got from that line.
or if Bilbo (with the ring in his pocket) was eaten by Smaug
James Derington Sauron would have used him in the war of the ring 78 years later. He would have devastated the free peoples of middle earth on Sauron's orders. Sauron's forces would most likely have won the war. He would have taken possession of the ring and plunged middle earth into a second age of darkness. That's why Gandalf knew Smaug had to be destroyed.
I think if Sauron could beat the "free folk" with his current armies... He would have already. If it comes to an all-in pitched battle I think the free folk would be victorious. Sauron had no need to ally with Saruman if he had an all conquering army.
Maybe It Wasn't All Conquering But It Still Had The Ability To Kick The Free People's Butt If They Were On The Defense.
If they stop the hobbits giving Tom bombadil from chating with gandalf they will turn to ash
that's not true. the very reason the council decided to destroy the ring is because they could not beat Sauron by conventional means. This video was already very optimistic in the sense that all the free people would unite much easier without the ring (which is a stretch), but they still lost decisively without even meeting Sauron.
I dont think you're considering how long wars can last, and the difference between defending land and conquering it
@Jared Bradley it was Sauron manipulating saruman through the Palantir that bewitched him. I don't think saruman made the decision. He was definitely manipulated.
The quest of Frodo and Sam is the key to resonating with people.
What if saruman had the high ground?
...he did.
Only Obi-Wan has truly mastered the high ground
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I feel the dwarves could engineer super siege weapons that could shoot further than the eye could see, but the elves can see such a ridiculous distance that they could use these to pick off saurons army a ridiculous distance away. If they constructed these weapons of mithril then they would be able to withstand the strain of launching great objects such great distances. I really think if the dwarves and the elves allied they would be too powerful for sauron to challenge.
Túrin Turambar But its not a matter o distance but a matter of the projectiles. How make the impacts devastating enough to stop the hords of hundred of thousands before it reached them?
They could have fortified gondor and built them there. They could have had layers of lesser and lesser siege weapons, archers after that, and dug trenches. I am no master tacticion, but I do not think they would so foolishly take their whole army to the black gate like that. Any of the eagles could serve as a useful scout and see that they were clearly outnumbered and help them come up with a better plan. If all the free peoples of middle earth were in this together I kind of doubt Elrond, for example, would be so naive as to go along with this. They had plenty enough people who had been around a very long time and seen more than their fair share of wars; which makes me wonder why the elves didn't have much better technology? But I think that tolkien was speaking against technology in a sense, and that massive siege engines would have seemed too barbaric and un...chivalrous, (best way I can put that). Anyway. They could have had the ents help operate these massive engines as well, although that may have posed an issue s the engines could not be constructed without the burning of trees.
Another thought. After Saruman was defeated Gandalf offered him a chance to repent and help them against Sauron. Since the ring was sent into the west I feel Saruman would have taken up this offer and helped them fight Sauron. Probably with the plans of betraying them later if the ring washed ashore, but since he had such extensive knowledge of Saurons devices they could have done much better
I like the way you think.
Shoot the ring into Mount Doom
From miles away, where one can still let go of the ring
This isn't Warhammer and the siege engines in The Battle of Five Armies were invented by Jackson. Hell why not have them build a space elevator to the moon while you are at it.
Man I LOVE it when people come together to fight against a common enemy. It's so nice
i've said before that the Valar are assholes for leaving the mortal races to clean up THEIR mess. Morgoth was one of them and they still let him off the hook once and the people of middle-earth practically had to beg the Valar to act and get rid of him permanently. When Morgoth was defeated Sauron tried to convince them he'd changed and for whatever reason, despite Sauron being Morgoths No. 2 guy, they just left him in Middle-earth. Then he shows up to numenor, corrupts the island and sends them towards Valinor but even then all the Valar and Maiar do is crush the Numenorean fleet and sink Numenor, again, Sauron gets off virtually scott free. WTF?! After Sauron was defeated i'm surprised no one in Middle-earth didn't gear up to go and demand the Valar and Maiar be held accountable for their gross negligence throughout the ages.
The part that I didn't understand is when the Valar didn't help Feanor in his assault on Morgoth..I mean, Morgoth killed his father, whom Feanor loved, and stole his SIlmarills...and then the Valars didn't give a damn.
That's make so much sense dude. Thank you for these comment. Valar supose to clear the mess as Morgoth's next in line Sauron continous his master ideas. He was a semigod and to big of a chalenge for free races. Valar was like - they create lands, life, get involved in War of Wrath (when Morgoth already kicked everybody asses in years and years of conflicts), sink Numenor and then... left Middle Earth for its own destiny with Sauron who can't be matched by anybody.
they didn`t care about the middle earth.. that`s why they pretty much divided the bright lands off from the mortal lands.. they just got tired of the mess and decided just to wash their hands of the whole thing lol
Agreed the valar were ducks.
Except maybe ulmo who still cared and did more throughout the ages.
Just one thing with nummenor, it was eru who destroyed the island and split the undying lands from the circles of the earth.
Still the valar shouldve acted earlier.
Maybe EXPLAIN why men couldn't live in the blessed land like telling the truth that being mortal they would never inherit immortality and would be unhappy with the slow pace of life
I believe that the Valar seem much like the gods old. Those of our pagan for-bearers. They are not angelic spirits that can do no wrong. They are flawed and care less and less about our mortal struggles. I think they start off enamoured by the children of Illuvatar, but grow jaded when many of the elves reject their call and even more jaded when the Noldor rebel against their will. They try to do the will of Eru as they understand it.
you know what I never thought about this as a scenario. but your ending for it fits the theme of good all ways win against evil. as evil is vain and shallow and is blown away by a strong wind. this theme is found everywhere in lord of the rings.
Um, sort of. But Gandalf encourages them to act and not wait to be bailed out by super-daddy Valor. I think passing the buck on action also leads people to evil; like many religious people who pollute and don't treat people well because "it doesn't matter, I can't fix everything and there will come Armageddon and God will fix everything." Even in non-profit boards I've been a part of I've seen that attitude that "everything will turn out alright; it always has" and result in inaction, more belief that someone (via God) will fix it. Often people do work out a solution but they are people, humans, of action. Sometimes not and I've seen them die or morph into something like being a corporate PR wing, whoring themselves for funding; "saved" by their super-daddy overlords.
In Yoysten's video the Valor came out because they had some responsibility, but what if it had been something else or a mortal evil tyrant or global warming they had brought on themselves? Also, I believe Gandalf meant for people to *act* not just for the good of Middle Earth but themselves and their people. If you stop Sauron but nobody learns a damn thing except someone else might bail you out then what's the point?
"global warming"
your right about teaching people to take action themselves. i was just simplifying the whole thing about evil never wins in lord of the rings. there is lesson in the books about taking action yourselves and not just relying on some else to do it for you. just another great message which could be found in this great series of books no wonder why there well renown classics.
Why would the dwarfs, elves and hobbits fight in this scenario? The only thing that changed is the path of the ring. Surely the elves would still sail west and the hobits would'nt care
The Elves did fight in their own kingdoms during the War of the Ring. We are told that Lothlorian was attacked three times and Mirkwood was attacked on two fronts. The Elves were successful on these fronts spreading Sauron's resources thin.
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YES MORE THEORY'S! Could you please make a theory if the battle of the five army's was lost and sauron gained control of the lonely mountain? Great work!
PLEASE!
not too sure you understand how to use an apostrophe andrew
I sorta don't
I'll summarize it Andrew:
Sauron Wins.
Flawless Victory!
FATALITY!
@@andrewbaughman5379no apostrophy for plurals, apostrophe is for possessives and contraptions
I thought you had let me down until I checked RUclips before going to bed. Thank you and a happy new year.
so if they were able to send him over to valinor would the orcs have done what they did in the normal timeline?
K9vendetta The wolf of mordor I think without a leader, they likely would have scattered.
1, you made the assumption that the ring made it west. Sauron's full focus was on retrieving the ring and he assumed that the ring would go west. His spies were guarding every road and path west from Rivendell while he had access to forces in Redhorn pass, Ettenmoors and, to lesser extents; Moria and the Withered Heath. Slipping a small band west would not escape detection and trying to reach the coast by force would end in a massacre.
2, Even if the ring made it to Mithlond, why would Sauron attack Minas Tirith? Sauron only attacked Minas Tirith because Aragorn showed him that he had the ring and was going to unite mankind with it's power and Sauron needed a pre-emptive strike to destroy the biggest city of men. Otherwise he would occupy Rhun and eastern Rohavion and expand his numbers, waiting until his forces were great enough to ensure a victory against Minas Tirith before sending them out
3, I agree about the scouring of the shire not happening, but Redhorn and Moria still has armies to threaten Rivendell, preventing Elrond from lending any troops to defend Gondor or marching on Mordor. Ettenmoors and Angmar are still in a position to threaten Mithlond and the Blue Mountains, meaning that they can't spare any forces, Dol Guldur would still threaten Lothlorien and the Easterlings are still in position to keep Dale and Erebor at bay. If you can beat Saruman though, then yes, the Rohirrim could ride to defend Minas Tirith. And the Umbar wouldn't be threatening the coast at first, they would be hunting down the ring-bearing ship, so Gondor could be stripped to defend Minas Tirith, until the ring was beyond Umbar's reach and they returned, forcing Gondor to restrengthen Gondor's armies on the coast. When Sauron attacked in the books, it was in haste and before he was ready. Give him the time to prepare and Minas Tirith doesn't stand a chance.
charimonfanboy daaaamn son! 😃
It’s just a theory.
@@FireLordJohn3191 a film theor... wait, wrong channel
I like your theories in general but this one seems to have a huge flaw in that sending the ring west wouldn’t change anything with regard to the free people’s ability or willingness to come together. They would still be bogged down in their respective regions.
happy new year Yoystan my friend truly a depressing what if end of middle earth but outstanding in its delivery
Thank you for all of the lotr lore if it wasn't for you I would be clueless. I enjoy watching the channel happy new year!
Happy New Year's Eve! Thanks for the video! A sign of how wonderful the coming year will be!
Thank you! :) Happy New Year!
Love this content. I’ll be here when you hit 1 million subs keep up the good work
DAMN SON! what you were thinking? fuckin epic af
The forces of the West loose, and the Ring is sent back, resulting in a Sauron victory.
These videos really helps! My friend always asks me what would happened if some of the story elements was made differently. Now I have these theory videos to back me/him up! Looking forward to the new year!
Thank you so much for making this! And of course Happy New Year!
"Felt the joy of a thousanf hobbits during secound breakfast"
Love your videos man! Keep up the good work! :)
I love how you added the host of the Valar to this theory! It was my favorite in all of you theories of Middle Earth. Thank you so much!
Fantastic!! Honestly my favorite theory video you have done. Really like these, please keep them coming!!
HAPPY NEW YEAR! I look forward to another year of your videos!
I'm so glad the pictures you use are mostly not based off of the movies. I'm loving your videos. I'm also glad you have videos about the Valar, and other people from the Silmarillion.
You sir are a master story writer. You really plucked at my heartstrings during those last few minutes of your what is Siri. You played my heart like a fiddle, and I loved it!
Great theory indeed. I was waiting for the moment it would turn sour, but I didn't expect the twist ending. That is really cool!
If I may offer a suggestion on a future video, could you do an overview of the lands of Arda? Most of us know Middle-Earth and Beleriand, as well as Valinor and fair Numenor to some extent, but there is so much more to know about those and there is also so much more land in Arda. Thank you for what you do and keep on doing it!
Amazing videos and happy new year also i hope you do more of these
Loved this video Yoystan!!! I hope you are having an excellent New Years Celebration and I cannot wait for more great videos of yours in 2018!!!! Anyway back to the video once again you prove to be such a great writer and make such excellent and well and thought out and respectful Fanfiction to Tolkien's world and I honestly can't wait for more what in the future and this one is by far one of my most favorites (though I love them all so very much) anyway loved this video and can't wait for the next one in 2018!!! :)
Thank you so much friend! Happy New Years!
Men of the West Your welcome anytime :)
Hannon le mellon nin! What a perfect start to new year.
Happy New Year, Yoystan. I love your work.
I think your theory is spot on. Great work, keep it up & Happy New Year!
These alternative stories are always fantastic
Happy new year yoisten
Outstanding Video as always Y. Well done!!!
I do love your alternative theories. Many thanks Yoystan
Happy new year yoystan and again an outstanding video
I did not see that end coming, Yoystan. And wow, what an ending it was! The actual remaking of the world! Well done.
Your theories are the only great lotr theories I have found. Have a great New Year!
I really do like your theories Yoystan, keep them coming! Have you considered doing some of these as fanfiction rather than just a short video script?
Good video bro. Happy new year guys.
Thank you! Happy New Year!
Happy New Year Yoystan!
squadle Rutherford You too friend!
Wonderful video
Happy New Year, I'm glad I discover your channel
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Thanks for the video! I always enjoy these alternate stories :)
Great video man! And happy new year!
DarkSage Asura Thank you! Happy New Year!
That was a great video and I would love to see more of this
Nice profile pic
Great video as always! Keep up the great work 😀
Great video man! Keep them coming!
Absolutely brilliant. Well thought out ideas in all your videos.
your videos are getting better and better and better.
Great work on this one!
Great video and happy new year
Thank you! Happy New Year!
I like that you said “like a 1000 hobbits eaten second breakfast”
Happy New Year Yoystan! I hope that many of LOTR and the hobbit fans will see more of your fan-fictions soon and I hope that 2018 would be a better year for you and many of LOTR fans as well😊🎉
Nice work dude thanks
What if Elrond claimed Kingship over Lindon?
Hello again :) I really appreciate your videos. There is clearly a lot of work and love going into them. Could you please do a video on the potential of Aragorn and Arven's son. I'd be interested to hear your ideas as he would be mostly elf, ruling the men and uniting many important bloodlines.
Happy New Year ! and many more awesome videos I want to see! :)
Yoystan that was amazing you are one of the few people who can Wright such a great theory
I really enjoyed this one. Great video!
This video was perfect. Please make more like it. I would really suggest doing a possible outline for what a video about the Final Battle would be like. Having Morgoth be released behind the door of night. I wish Christopher would have used his father's notes and made this story.
"The Joy of a Thousand Hobbits during Second Breakfast." that's one I have to remember!
That's was simply fantastic, please do more theories. PLEASE!!!!
This is too epic to happen
Man that was great. Keep up the good work.
"Renewing the world through the second music of the Ainur" sounds like an euphemism for an apocalyptic event 😅 Did you imagine that the Valar would fight Sauron on the battlefield, would there even be anything wort fighting for left in Middle-Earth by this point? A really enjoyable and thought-provoking video of yours, great stuff 🥰
I put thumbs up because you did a great job and put work into it and made your own thoughts, story and pictures backgrounding this storyversion.
Love the vid, but I was just wondering if you would know of any reasons why the vallar would reject the one ring? Or would they not know of what happened to the numenorians?
Thank you! I believe they would reject it as it was made from Middle-Earth, and it wasn't an issue that they wanted to involve themselves in. As for the Númenóreans, they would never fear an invasion like the one the men had threatened again because Ilúvatar made the world round, and Valinor was made unreachable by those who were not invited to prevent another disaster like the Downfall of Númenór from happening ever again with the other Free-Peoples.
Happy 2018 to you too :) Sorry I'm late but I was away. I've read and watched a lot of "what ifs" and I think the way it went in the story was the best way. Well, I can't help to think that if they didn't lose Gandalf in the mines of Moria, maybe it wouldn't such a bumpy road but considering everything it didn't turn out bad after all :)
Love your way of telling stories. Legendary as the trilogies.
Love the video, great way to start the new year. Your theory videos are always a treat. While I do agree the destruction of the One Ring was the best scenario for saving Middle Earth, apart of me does wonder that if Sauron never returned would another evil take his place. No counting Melkor's return in the final battle referred to as "Dagor Dagorath". I doubt it but I could be wrong.
Anyway if I could suggest a theory, I always wanted to see a Hobbit theory for the sake of variety.
"What if Smaug killed Bilbo at Erebor and claimed The One Ring?"
Granted it would probably be too difficult for a Dragon to hold said ring on those claws of his. Anyway keep up the great videos. :)
Just curious to see if you play any lotr games and which is your favourite,? Keep up the excellent work and happy new year to you and all your viewer's.
This was great. I loved it. Bravo. Good Job.
I am blessed with this on new years???
Great Video Man.
Great video.
Great alternative story. However, I believe that there is a major flaw in your story: Gandalf couldn't have known about Saruman's treatchery because he only came to know it when he consulted the white wizard for guidance against Sauron. Therefore, because he didn't consult with Saruman, the White Wizard's secret, would have remained secret
Thanks again yoystan
That was great, well done
This was just great ! :)
Another great one 👍
Your videos are incredible :-)!
This was dope and made my sad for a second
DUDE!!! That was a really awesome ending!! I actually got a tear in my eye
love your video's keep up the good work
Great work m8
Happy New Year to all! Make 2018 a great year. Keep a smile on your face and hope in your heart.
May you ride with Eagles and dine with Hobbits.
Happy New Year!
I love these re-writes and potential timelines. They make clear how incredibly intricate Tolkien's Middle Earth is, how much potential it has for victory or disaster, and makes me appreciate that much more Tolkien's original storyline
wow this is actually a really good alternate story, though i feel that it kinda shares a similar story to that of the First Age, of how all the free peoples of the Middle Earth were defeated by the great evil and only then when all hope is nearly lost in the end, the Valar would then come and aid them and overthrow the great evil once and for all, like they did to Morgoth in the First Age
the only difference will be, Valar and its hosts would just probably swiftly defeat Sauron with relative ease than it was with Morgoth, for even though Sauron is like the most powerful of all Maia, he is still just and will be a Maia after all, his powers would never be like that of his master Morgoth, he knows too well that he is no match against the Valar themselves hence it is also the reason why he is hiding from them in the 1st place, also i doubt that the One Ring would even save him should he even clash against the likes of Tulkas, Ulmo and Eonwe, heck Tulkas would probably turn him into a helpless punching bag and ragdolling the shit out of Sauron with his Valar-wrestlemania moves (LMAO), crush the One Ring with his bare hands or make Sauron choke the One Ring in his throat, similar to what he did with Morgoth where after the War of Wrath, Tulkas beats his iron crown and made into a collar lol
Cool vid I like these theory vids
Dude, this was so bloody good!! Almost like the Silmarillions style!