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  • Опубликовано: 30 май 2023
  • Write once, run everywhere: building apps with Dioxus
    by Jonathan Kelley
    RustNL 2023, Amsterdam, May 10 2023, 2023.rustnl.org/
    Slides: github.com/rustnl/rustnl2023/...

Комментарии • 116

  • @Perspectologist
    @Perspectologist Год назад +84

    This was a great presentation. I’m currently experimenting with Dioxus, and so far I’m very impressed.

    • @learningop810
      @learningop810 10 месяцев назад +1

      so it has been 3 months. I m a bit confused between yew and dixous .What are your opinions

    • @Perspectologist
      @Perspectologist 9 месяцев назад

      @@learningop810 I got further with Dioxus than Yew, unfortunately I got pulled away from Rust to work on maintaining projects in other languages. I like the idea of Dioxus, but haven’t had enough time with it.

    • @thegrabbler622
      @thegrabbler622 9 месяцев назад

      @@learningop810 not OP but I'd take a look at leptos, I've had a lot of fun with it so far

    • @thewilltejeda
      @thewilltejeda 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@learningop810what is up with these crate names lol

    • @rithvik_
      @rithvik_ Месяц назад

      @@learningop810 I personally feel dioxus is going to be big and is developing fast, the community is also active and it also has funding so altogether I feel it is a great choice

  • @HyperFocusMarshmallow
    @HyperFocusMarshmallow Год назад +29

    That live reloading at the end is awesome. I didn't get how it works at all but I guess I'll checkout the docs.

  • @damsektry6233
    @damsektry6233 10 месяцев назад +5

    Really great presentation. I just embrace the rust world and I'm amazed every days

  • @yos2413
    @yos2413 5 месяцев назад +2

    I know dart/flutter and using rust with this approach solves A LOT of pain points I have with dart's bad language design decisions, right now this is my favorite rust front-end framework, good work!

  • @chaosprint
    @chaosprint 4 месяца назад +3

    Comparison with Tauri is skipped but I am curious on that.

  • @fabracht
    @fabracht Год назад +9

    This is awesome work.

  • @methedudeful
    @methedudeful 11 месяцев назад +17

    I am seriously impressed with this library. I love the choice to emulate React. Why bend the developer community to our ideals? Instead we tool makers bend, so that developers feel comfortable and empowered to build products quickly.

  • @qm3ster
    @qm3ster Год назад +20

    Really great ergonomics.
    But why VDOM and not signals in CURRENT_YEAR?

    • @charetjc
      @charetjc Год назад +2

      Cause leptos exists?

    • @qm3ster
      @qm3ster Год назад +5

      @@anonymousalexander6005 But the native UI APIs don't take a tree, they take imperative mutations, just like the DOM does. Why compute the list of mutations with VDOM diffing and not mapping signals?

    • @Th3HarzyGamePlays
      @Th3HarzyGamePlays 11 месяцев назад

      Dioxus has signals too

    • @popopooooooooooooooo
      @popopooooooooooooooo 3 месяца назад +1

      VDOM is very powerful. You may lose with vdom on one side, but end up winning on many others. You can think of vdom as an AST and all the benefits that this brings.

    • @eyz-4
      @eyz-4 3 месяца назад

      it's based on blockdom/million which without going into a deep explanation allows the vdom to be equally as fast as signals. take a look at js framework benchmark.

  • @JamesHarrisonHaribo
    @JamesHarrisonHaribo 9 месяцев назад +4

    This is so Effin' amazing! I've looked into the library, and I must say the "fullstack" flavour, which is essentially, isomorphic server rendering and hydrating into web assembly is the bomb. 😍

  • @rotteegher39
    @rotteegher39 4 месяца назад +1

    Absolutely Incredible!!!

  • @steav677
    @steav677 9 месяцев назад +1

    Great work!
    Super awesome rust could be used to this extent.

  • @ziis8285
    @ziis8285 Месяц назад

    Amazing, i can't wait to fully learn how to program in Rust and use this.

  • @riigel
    @riigel 5 месяцев назад +1

    really easy to understand! nice!

  • @antoniong4380
    @antoniong4380 5 месяцев назад +2

    If I had money and Dioxus was for-profit: "Shut up and take my money"
    That hot reloading is really amazing for a compiled language

  • @fire17102
    @fire17102 Год назад +12

    What a great presentation!
    I think the cross platform app development is a much bigger pain point for the entire industry, not just Rust's. If Dioxus is any good please consider adding an API that can be called from other stacks, such as my python FastAPI/Flask backend. That would be amazing.
    Thanks a lot and all the best!

    • @PaulSebastianM
      @PaulSebastianM 7 месяцев назад

      Wut? 🧐 What do you mean?

    • @fire17102
      @fire17102 7 месяцев назад

      @@PaulSebastianMlemme know which part wasn't clear enough... Seems like at least 10 ppl got with my take

    • @PaulSebastianM
      @PaulSebastianM 7 месяцев назад

      @@fire17102 if only downvotes worked...

  • @robertotomas
    @robertotomas Год назад +9

    would love to see details on mobile setup (I can pitch in , though Im no veteran of mobile dev)

  • @L0wPressure
    @L0wPressure Год назад +7

    I don’t know, looks clean to me. Don’t see any problem with reacts approach.

  • @salman8562
    @salman8562 Год назад +4

    Great video, what is the theme that he is using in the Vscode? I kinda like it.

  • @badc0der
    @badc0der 3 месяца назад +4

    Rust still needs time to find its way in UI development. Unfortunately none of the projects seem to be good enough for something more than a few buttons and input fields. I think, though, the process is natural for Rust. We'll get there and this work is fundamental to understanding what works and what doesn't. We have to try 99 times in order to get that 1 time right. We're still below 50 tries so quite a long way to go. Congratulations to RustNL for bringing this content to everyone!

  • @CipherOne
    @CipherOne 11 месяцев назад +2

    Brilliant.

  • @johnmckown1267
    @johnmckown1267 Месяц назад

    The theme was used a lot when Java came out. I wrote a small pure Java app. I wrote it on Linux. The .jar file ran exactly the same on Windows and the IBM mainframe at work.

    • @ricardojlrufino
      @ricardojlrufino Месяц назад

      Java runs on ibm mainframe ?

    • @johnmckown1267
      @johnmckown1267 Месяц назад

      @@ricardojlrufino sure does. I am fairly sure that it is now an integral part of installing z/OS. When I did it, it was an optional download.

  • @xorlop
    @xorlop 4 месяца назад +2

    I am trying dioxus sooooon

  • @hendrykhoza4782
    @hendrykhoza4782 9 месяцев назад +2

    wee need support for tailwind

  • @user-zg9vu6rb7o
    @user-zg9vu6rb7o 6 месяцев назад +1

    lovely

  • @egorivanov489
    @egorivanov489 6 месяцев назад

    Great video, great presentation. I hope switching to Dioxus from egui won't be painful. I used to use egui for building desktop apps but when it came to WASM, it was too painful. A big amount of errors, unstable work and lots of limits. But what I like in egui is a pretty big amount of Widgets that could be used. I haven't found it in Dioxus, maybe I should search better.
    IMHO Dioxus is better than egui if your target is WASM.

  • @RainbowPigeon15
    @RainbowPigeon15 3 месяца назад

    the recent updates made the code even simpler than what is presented. Pretty impressive library so far

  •  10 месяцев назад +1

    This looks really cool. I’ll definitely build something with it.

  • @HelloThere-xs8ss
    @HelloThere-xs8ss Год назад +4

    Tauri compile times kill me for some reason. Rust compilations do not take that long any other time

  • @hlavaatch
    @hlavaatch Год назад +8

    Looked interesting, until I found out it just wraps Tauri

    • @VivekYadav-ds8oz
      @VivekYadav-ds8oz 11 месяцев назад +5

      And why is that bad? Is it 'cause they made fun of Electron while using another (lightweight) Electron? Genuinely asking.

  • @jamiepond
    @jamiepond Год назад +4

    fucking amazing

  • @dorktales254
    @dorktales254 3 месяца назад

    Write once, Run Everywhere? Where have I heard that before 😄

  • @Malbocha
    @Malbocha 7 месяцев назад +2

    Anyone know the name of the VS Code theme?

  • @deepakkamble3602
    @deepakkamble3602 10 месяцев назад +1

    greatest thing i evered seen

  • @Alex-hr2df
    @Alex-hr2df 8 месяцев назад +1

    What! Rust frontend framework?!

  • @hakn_d
    @hakn_d 3 месяца назад

    Hi there. For vello project, please dont make calculations for out of scene materials. Just let work physics you know.

  • @PaulSebastianM
    @PaulSebastianM 7 месяцев назад

    33:19 that is what Blazor Server does.

  • @Originalimoc
    @Originalimoc Год назад +3

    Closest competitor is probably Compose Multiplatform?

    • @valmirius
      @valmirius 11 месяцев назад +1

      Avalonia UI is probably the most comprehensive and well built cross platform GUI framework (with some tradeoffs) I've seen at the moment. They're still working on web though.
      Compose looks really good too

    • @julesoscar8921
      @julesoscar8921 7 месяцев назад

      Compose is very bloated

  • @izwe794
    @izwe794 Год назад +13

    i'd love to see one of these based on svelte

    • @MiiaoTheFC
      @MiiaoTheFC Год назад +6

      Yeah, all those React-inspired things are obviously great work, but certainly not for me

    • @ironhammer4095
      @ironhammer4095 Год назад +11

      @@MiiaoTheFC There's Leptos. It uses the Signals model similar to SolidJS. No Virtual DOM. It can do SSR too if you want.

    • @Th3HarzyGamePlays
      @Th3HarzyGamePlays 11 месяцев назад

      @@ironhammer4095 Dioxus has signals too

    • @VivekYadav-ds8oz
      @VivekYadav-ds8oz 11 месяцев назад +1

      Svelte is like a new language that looks similar to JS, because they needed to extend JS' syntax. Don't proc-macros fulfill that need for Rust?

    • @MiiaoTheFC
      @MiiaoTheFC 11 месяцев назад

      @@VivekYadav-ds8oz they sorta do, but we prefer not to change the syntax a lot

  • @hendrykhoza4782
    @hendrykhoza4782 9 месяцев назад +1

    what theme is he using?

  • @randomtvninja
    @randomtvninja Год назад +6

    Is it just me or does he give off Richard from silicon valley vibes..

  • @RoastLambShanks
    @RoastLambShanks 8 месяцев назад +1

    I didn't know there was a new season of Silicon Valley.

  • @codeking4585
    @codeking4585 2 месяца назад

    He loves dancing

  • @gjermundification
    @gjermundification 7 месяцев назад

    Decent and electron in the same sentence? What is he on? Swift and Rust are my 2 favourite languages. Swift can't do web? Kitura, Perfect, Smoke, and Vapor are all just an illusion? Yew, Cargo error messages, RataTUI, cargo, UIKit, and vapor are all amazing.

  • @bezimienny5
    @bezimienny5 4 месяца назад +1

    What I actually like about Flutter is that I don't have to worry about a million ways to incorporate 30+ years worth of CSS legacy just to center a popup on screen. Unfortunately, this kills Dioxus for me as a Desktop framework, but I do still think it has a place as a fullstack web thing. Just not a fan of WebViews in native apps, sorry.

    • @nextlifeonearth
      @nextlifeonearth 3 месяца назад

      Mostly this yeah. Flutter has its own limits, being Dart only for one.
      Don't get me wrong, I am unconvinced that a language can be a blocker for any proper software engineer, learning a language is a fraction of the effort and time spent learning a framework.
      Issue arises with platform support when basically all libraries are written in languages like c and you have to write glue for these libraries or god forbid rewrite them in dart.
      Imagine it had an efficient c interface, any language could use it.

  • @evenzero
    @evenzero Год назад +1

    I had to try it out, nice but way early

  • @yaminnather521
    @yaminnather521 3 месяца назад

    Everything looks good expect the HTML CSS adoption :). Prefer the way Flutter and Compose UI does layout and rendering.

  • @sergey9679
    @sergey9679 6 месяцев назад

    I hope Dioxus is gonna get more mature soon.

  • @Tigregalis
    @Tigregalis 10 месяцев назад +1

    36:20 I think Vue 3 did it first.

  • @GUIGuyify
    @GUIGuyify Год назад +2

    AvaloniaUI is good for cross platform desktop apps Windows Mac Linux… if you like C#

  • @daviidon
    @daviidon 10 месяцев назад

    Dart can call any language that can export a c abi

  • @FrankJonen
    @FrankJonen 8 дней назад

    Everyone makes fun of Xcode but nothing changes. Just like with Electron and React.

  • @privettoli
    @privettoli 6 месяцев назад

    What happened to Qt and Delphi? 😂

  • @todorelax1793
    @todorelax1793 2 месяца назад

    why so Nervious 🤣

  • @devfagundes
    @devfagundes Год назад

    I tried the "clicked" thing and didn't work for me.

    • @dirac7233
      @dirac7233 Год назад +1

      It doesn't work for me either. It's certainly a little bug that will be fixed in the next patch.

    • @devfagundes
      @devfagundes Год назад +3

      @@dirac7233 ​ @dirac7233 RUclips deleted my comment. I found how to fix that. In depedencies instead of declaring dioxus = "0.3.2", replace the version "0.3.2" for the dioxus git repository adress. "/dioxuslabs/dioxus" it should work.

  • @vlad7269
    @vlad7269 11 месяцев назад

    We need "cool" counter 😂

  • @edhahaz
    @edhahaz 6 месяцев назад

    n+1

  • @utubebroadcastme
    @utubebroadcastme 7 месяцев назад

    So instead of actually building a UI framework, you're just running CSS+HTML inside of rust ...
    hmm I don't know I have mixed feelings

  • @avi7278
    @avi7278 6 месяцев назад

    Actually no, if I don't want my button to look the same on every platform. I want my UI to adapt to the platform. On iOS I want my app to look like an iOS app with iOS buttons. Not a very strong start, young padawan.

  • @meyou118
    @meyou118 Год назад +16

    virtual dom == -1

  • @ukyoize
    @ukyoize 8 месяцев назад

    What is this, Java?

  • @claudiusraphael9423
    @claudiusraphael9423 7 месяцев назад

    OWO

  • @gatosssss1
    @gatosssss1 7 месяцев назад +1

    Good video but why does he sound like he is about to shit himself?

    • @privettoli
      @privettoli 6 месяцев назад

      Lack of experience in public speaking

  • @LUKAS3675
    @LUKAS3675 10 месяцев назад

    as a Flutter developer I see some hypocrisy here,
    mocking Flutter and proposing yet another web based multi platform,
    the idea of using flutter rendering with rust using a crate sounds like a better idea

    • @David-iq1kd
      @David-iq1kd 8 месяцев назад

      Similar to Clojure-Dart for example?

    • @julesoscar8921
      @julesoscar8921 7 месяцев назад

      Macro works out of the box, with flutter_rust_bridge, you obviously need to install flutter and use dart

  • @olsuhvlad
    @olsuhvlad 9 месяцев назад

    13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
    14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
    15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
    16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
    18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
    19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
    20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
    21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
    (Jn.3:13-21)

  • @justanaveragebalkan
    @justanaveragebalkan Год назад +4

    We already have cross platform app development, it's called flutter, we don't need this. Keep it for the operating systems please.

    • @NatteDweil
      @NatteDweil Год назад +23

      There is always room for better. You could already develop cross platform apps in Java as well, with a cross platform UI even. Progress is usually a good thing.

    • @ryanleemartin7758
      @ryanleemartin7758 Год назад +20

      It's ok, you don't have to use it.

    • @llothar68
      @llothar68 Год назад +4

      The problem is that noe is working and never will. There is no write once run everywhere dream.

    • @chaoky
      @chaoky Год назад +1

      @@llothar68 wdym react native and flutter are pretty close to write once run everywhere

    • @llothar68
      @llothar68 Год назад +4

      @@chaoky For example on MacOS I want AppleScript support. I want Siri Integration, or at least Shortcuts. I want access file systems correctly (the whole privilege management things). All the continuous editing features on MacOS and windows. And I want to make it look and feel native. And especially I want to it to integrate new features as soon as possible.
      You are just ignorant. Everyone can show Buttons and a text input, but that's not enough.