@Steph yeah that's actually exactly why they ended up not going with that lol they talked about it in an interview recently and neither of them understood why people would think it's weird since they're not actual siblings in real life. But yeah it would've definitely been weird to see them like that.
The writer of the last episode, Julia Bicknell, is a lesbian, and she said that one of her inspirations was "Imagine Me and You" 🤭 Mike Flanagan, the showrunner, said that in the writers room, they paid a lot of attention to what she had to say about the story of Dani and Jamie. I think that's why they really got it right
I didn't know who wrote the last episode at that time and I said to myself "Wow, the last episode was so well written and the writer had a very deep understanding of their relationship, it seemed like a woman wrote this episode"... No wonder!
I talk to myself a lot during movies and I literally jokingly said "Nice try, but I've seen imagine me and you before" when i watched the flower shop scenes. thats awesome to know that it was an inspiration lol
His wife, Kate Siegel, the actress who portrays the lady in the lake in Bly Manor and Theodora in Hill house, identifies as bisexual. Perhaps this connection is why he includes LGBT characters in his work.
yes. and that's what Mike said in an interview. thought it was really dope: "It’s something you’re going to see more of as we get into Midnight Mass and Midnight Club (his next projects). It’s a type of representation that’s important to us as individuals, to us as fathers and husbands and citizens of the planet really." and about the Bly finale: "Julia Bicknell who wrote the finale of this season, she and her wife, who also works in the industry, this was something as she put to us, this was the kind of story that she wished she had seen when she was growing up". seems like a cool dude.
Fun fact: Mike Flanagan is actually married to Viola (Kate Siegel) and she was pregnant during the shooting of Hill House. She loved Theo so much that she named her baby Theodora
I just really love the fact that one of Netflix's biggest series was a lesbian love story!! Who the hell knew? It was done beautifully, I'm still crying over it. Dani and Jamie were together for 13 years (not 5) which is more than enough than we usually get (even though I want a happily ever after haha) Their love was so pure and healthy. Relationship goals. I don't what other show can top this
@@niharikabisht5565 same-sex civil unions became legal in Vermont (where they lived) in 2000. They left Bly in 1987, so they were together for 13 years
"Lesbian connection" "You can't punch people because you're dying" "She wasn't gaying you" "I've got a story... * dramatic gay silence *... Like I said, it's not my story" "I have the lips of a China doll" "If she wasn't so hot I'd be really angry" "They had five years and for lesbians on TV that's a life time" ... This video is full of great statements...
8:03 But Jamie did go back to Bly and asked to be with Dani! She dived into the lake and screamed "its you, its me, its us". It was Dani that didnt drag her into the lake. She set Jamie free, because she loved her.
The hand at the end was beautiful. It just showed that dani had always been there with Jamie even when she became the lady in the lake, death couldn’t keep her from her true love. I’ve rewatched the season twice now it’s just such a good show, every character is amazing in it
Amelia Eve (jamie actress) said there is a different take of that scene where Dani leaves. Instead of Dani leaving when she wakes up strangling Jamie, Jamie wakes up and they work through it and amelia said they lay there and cried and embraced and I kinda want (n e e d) to see that ending
well it's not really another ending. this scene would have been between the strangling scene and dani leaving. But I really hope we get to see it at some point.
@@EmmaMMusic maybe she did, and then Dani waits for her to sleep, and leaves... would make sense with the lack of surprise in jamie's face when she wakes up
Yup! I read that too. I wish we could see that scene! Amelia also mentions how her and Victoria just laid there holding each other even after the director yelled cut because of how emotionally exhausting the scene was. How cute is that?!
Mike Flanagan's wife, Kate Siegel, who plays Viola (lady of the lake) in Bly Manor & Theo Crain in Hill House, is openly bisexual. ALSO Julia Bicknell (writer of the last episode) is a lesbian and Mike Flanagan said that they paid extra attention to what she had to say when writing the most important episode in Dani & Jamie's relationship.
When dani and jamie were having dinner with owen they mention flora being 17 so they had at least 9 years together, maybe more if you count the timing of civil partnership being legalised irl
Definitely more. If they lived in Vermont (which is where Jaime said she wanted to go when they were eating in that diner) then they would not have been able to get a civil union until 2000, and Vermont was the first state to grant civil unions to same sex couples. That means they were together for at least 13 years.
The hand at the end links back to when Hannah says “life is for the living” it means that Dani is always with her but she wants her to live her life without being inhibited by Dani’s ghost
I tried to think of it at least partially him haunting her because his disturbed spirit was blaming her for setting in motion the events that lead to his death, (and also her just being haunted in her own mind by overwhelming guilt about the same thing)... But I did also get clingy/incel vibes.
@@taesthetic964 Agreed, but like, if you want to keep it as more of an actual ghost story in your perception, (rather than the more psychological realm), you could look at it like that. I think that the more plausible, accurate explanation is that it was in her head... But the other ghosts at Bly could not be explained away that way.
@@RoseAndRosieVlogs y’all are gonna save Christmas 2020 aren’t you (edit): i am not joking, i spent 3 minutes staring at the screen when rosie replied, then 7 minutes trying to figure out what to say and this unenthusiastic piece of burnt brownie was what my brain decided to go with
honestly, this was one of the best love and sacrifice stories I have seen in a long time, it is very beautiful and extremely sad of all the characters represented, but certainly the one that most marked me and I will not be able to forget for a long time is Dani and Jamie, I cried like a child watching the end, it was perfect.
There is apparently an alternative scene where Jamie wakes up before Dani leaves to die at Bly Manor and Jamie manages to make Dani stay (source is Amelia Eve herself in some interviews). I really hope that we will be able to see it
They are my life right now I can't let go First time we have a lesbian couple on tv without having a big coming out story, or where one of theme have a boyfriend and cheat on him or just back off because she's not ready or confortable.. Their relationship is so pure, true, simple, sincere. They are just in love with echeother. I'm pretty in love with them it turns out
@@mydogeatspuke TLW doesn't really count in this instance, since there's Jenny and Tim, with Jenny cheating on Tim with Marina. And a flashback of Tina cheating on her bf with Bette when they first meet. Unless you meant GQ?
Even though it was hella tragic I thought it was a perfectly well rounded way to end the story. Some people did the math, between mentioning Flroa's age and when civil unions were allowed in Vermont, they got something like 10-13 years together. And even though it breaks your heart to see older Jamie looking into the water and leaving the door open, it was enough because we know Dani was always with her and they did get a beautiful life together.
random side note but i really admire rosie's ability to determine which two celebrities someone is a hybrid of, like i'm always shook at the accuracy every time ajskdl
oh gosh. This show absolutely wrecked me. I was actually only planning on watching episode 7 one evening, but after that cliffhanger I just had to go on. I finished that show that night and it concluded to me and my friend crying and sobbing while being in a videocall at one am. That was probably one and a half weeks ago, and this story hasn't left me since, and i dont think it will antytime soon.
I've been obsessing over victoria pedretti even more now. First saw her in You, then saw her in hill house (didn't watch it at the time, just passed by while someone else was watching it), then fell hard for her in bly manor and decided to watch hill house knowing she was in it. I've watched pretty much every interview she's in and every bly manor interview in general. I think the hand on the shoulder shows dani's been there this whole time, even if jamie didn't know. "dead doesn't mean gone" Their love story broke my heart but also made me really happy. Those kisses were mad passionate. Dani and jamie forever ♥♥♥
I just finished it yesterday and "I Shall Believe" is etched into my soul now for the heartbreaking moment. I hate that the kids forgot everything including their English accents. Lastly I needed to see her face at least. A true haunting for my heart more than anything else.
I think the hand at the end was a really good way of telling the audience that Dani has been with Jamie the whole time watching her live her life. By far my favourite ship now followed by wayhaught.
I really liked how no big deal it was that they were lesbians. How Hannah and Owen looked at them and thought they were cute as they headed to their date. And, how Owen made that comment about how late it was at the end of the story, cause he knew it was so bittersweet for Jamie to remember it all. I thought the writting needed a little work, but overall I really liked it. Might rewatch it soom
I read in an article that Pedretti and Amelia filmed an alt ending where Jamie catches Dani on her way out, instead of just finding the note. She catches her before she leaves and convinces her to stay. Needless to say, they went with the other ending and my heart is forever crushed.
I thought the perfect ending instead of the hand was that the gardener looks into the mirror and there Dani was, standing in the mirror behind her, probably hugging her from the back sort of like how she was haunted by her dead ex boyfriend and the gardener just stands there, fully embracing the time for a few minutes. It would fit with the storyline of how their ghosts works and her longing to be with the gardener would stay in the gardener mind and therefore, the haunting of a ghost from longing and love.
I’m not sure that would be fitting at all. The way I see it, by being at Jamie’s side but not revealing herself, Dani is able to support her in some spiritual/emotional way without holding her back. If Jamie knew Dani was there, she might never move on. She might never try to build a life with another woman. Her talk with Clara suggests to me Jamie was getting closer to letting go. Dani would risk rolling that progress back if she showed herself, and the emotional crux of their story is that unlike Peter and Viola, she isn’t selfish enough to do something like that.
i feel like hand was a good call, because I was left feeling her longing even more. Same with the moment Jamie plunged into the lake, wanting to be dragged under. I wanted her ghost to stay with Dani, but it also felt so right that Dani wouldn't let her. I feel like this is the best love story i've ever seen (on so many levels and for multiple characters too!. ) Fu*k Titanic am I right?!
@@julianapace9212 Sorry for the late reply! the one I'm currently obsessed with (and waiting for it to be updated bc it only has one chapter atm) is Good love is hard to find (I keep waiting) by gnarleyquinn on AO3! I've read a lot of one-shots on AO3 too, but I haven't read every fic there is bc I'm trying to avoid the ones that sound like they'll make me cry, lol
i feel like everyone has this one thing (movie, song, speech etc.) that gives them this final moment of revelation. Not just like "im gay. its settled." but "ive been questioning for a long time, although in the back of my head in a way i actually knew but i didnt want to admit it to myself.. And THIS gave me this final bit of confidence/assurence to accept the fact and have closure." Or maybe thats just my experience..idk :)
I have two theories about the last scene: 1. I think the last scene with Dani's hand on Jamie's shoulder shows that Dani is still with her and that she's trying her best to "tuck away" Jamie. In some scenes of Miles and Pete, especially in the part where Dani found out about Pete and Rebecca's ghosts, it is seen that before possessing Miles, without getting his consent, Pete puts his hand on Miles' shoulder. We can remember that Jamie tried to give Dani her consent to possess her or tuck her away in their last scene together in the lake, but Dani cannot do it because of how much she loves Jamie. 2. Or maybe, the last scene of Dani's hand on Jamie's shoulder shows the relevance of incorporating the story of Dani's dead fiancé. We can see that the first time Dani saw her fiancé's ghost is through a mirror with her dead fiancé's hand on her shoulder. Maybe this means somehow, Jamie blames herself for what happened and Dani doesn't want Jamie to feel that exact same way she felt about the death of her ex fiancé, that's why she never showed herself to Jamie but she also made the decision to never leave her and be by her side until they meet each other again in another world.
I am so sorry for you americans. Well at least the ones of you who aren't totally brainwashed. I hope everything will be fine and gay marriage will stand.
I mean even if it is repealed it only affects couples who lived in states that refused to legalize it before 2015. That’s still awful and I hope it doesn’t happen but it doesn’t take everyone’s rights away it’ll just revert back to being on a state to state basis. Ugh why can’t those traditional politicians just chill for once.
I saw a thread on tumblr the other day where someone explained that Dani & Jaime actually spent more years together!! not only 5 but like 10-13!! that makes it hurt a bit less
They actually spent 13 years together as the day before dani died jamie came home with civil union papers which was in 2000. So they live together for 13 year🥺😭
There are soooo many theories about "the hand at the end." Victoria Pedretti says she thinks Dani has always been with Jaime. Another theory out there was that Jaime died, and Dani was waiting for her. Still another says the REAL mansion where this took place was the location of the wedding (which I severely doubt) and since Jaime came back now Dani can come to her. Someone also pointed out Dani's ex-fiancee is probably in her head, much like the uncle's evil self is also in his head. Both are banished by a major shift change in their lives. I am so impressed at how in this a lesbian dies and it isn't a cliche, but a natural and understandable part of the story--not some random violent death to fit a formula. Had Viola succeeded in killing Dani that would have seemed so (maybe). But the fact Dani is by far the most heroic character of all, and Jaime simply accepted whatever would come, with years and years together--made a huge difference. I am a widower, and Jaime screaming underwater "YOU! ME! US!" really struck a chord. I do recommend FINGERSMITH and point out the second season of GENTLEMAN JACK is starting.
yeah this show really was impeccable, jamie and dani had me in tears 💙 and when at the end they went back to the narrator and I saw that she was wearing the golden ring WOW there was where i died. Or maybe at the lake scene when jamie is screaming under water AAA 😭😭
As someone who is about to start university to study filmmaking, The Haunting Of Bly Manor has really raised the bar as far as the kind of television/movies that I would like to see more of AND produce. Dani and Jaime will always have a special place in my heart 🥺
I think the hand was enough bc it was subtle, so it wouldn't have to show Dani's face (I think she hasn't got one anymore). But really, I looved the concept and I cried my heart out with that ending
I failed one of my courses today, and I spend the whole day crying in my bed. Now I'm laughing so hard that my stomach hurts. Thank you for always brightening our days.
I knew the ending prior to watching. I thought I was gonna be sad but wasn’t sure if I was gonna cry. When I say I SOBBED that is an understatement. Literally 70% of the episode spent crying. A masterpiece.
The even sadder thing is, when u think ab it Dani never visited Jamie when she was awake. All because Jamie went through so much and Dani loves her so much she doesn’t wanna haunt/scare her so she only visits when Jamie’s asleep🥺🥺🥺
They were together 13 years! The scene when Jamie comes in with the 'civil unions paper' that became legal in 2001 in Vermont. So it's insinuating they've been together 13 years.
This is probably the best gay relationship I’ve ever seen on TV. I 100% believed it and it wasn’t rushed. The hand at the end made my tears less heavy, still cried though.
I watched an analysis of this season somewhere on here that broke my heart in it's read of the hand at the end, and the more I think about it, the more accurate I think it is, and the sadder I get. Jamie is falling asleep, probably remembering Dani when the hand appears. The analysis posited that the hand was just a visual representation of what Jamie had said earlier as she was summing up the story for older Flora and the other guests: that Dani now only exists in the mind of the woman who loved her most - Jamie. Dani's ghost isn't with Jamie, only a memory of her is, and that's what the hand represents. Dani's self-awareness has been erased, just like it had been for all the other souls trapped at Bly. She is benignly and mindlessly walking the halls of Bly Manor. She made the ultimate sacrifice to save Flora. No going to wherever all the ghosts get summoned after they die if they are not being weighed down to Bly Manor by the lady in the lake, no memory of herself and the people she loved, no reuniting with Jamie in death, actual nothingness for eternity. Jamie makes a point of sharing the story with Flora because of how Dani seemed upset at dinner that Flora wouldn't know what Dani did for her, because she gave up so much. And Dani's one way out of it all was to pull Jamie into that same hell when she dove into the lake at the end, but Dani wouldn't do that to Jamie, so she'll never appear in the water's reflection, because she hasn't taken up the invitation that damned her in the first place and that would damn Jamie in kind. The hand is Jamie fiercely trying to keep a part of Dani in this world, but it's not actually Dani.
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I read that the gardener role was originally written for the actor who played Peter quinn....they made a better choice in the end
For some reason the idea of that made me so angry XDddd nothing against him but...
@Steph yeah I think that's why they didn't cast him
@Steph yeah that's actually exactly why they ended up not going with that lol they talked about it in an interview recently and neither of them understood why people would think it's weird since they're not actual siblings in real life. But yeah it would've definitely been weird to see them like that.
Yeah Netflix was basically like yeah NO you’re not making them lovers after portraying them as TWIN siblings 😂 thank you Netflix ❤️
@Steph and yet they casted her mother as an older version of her wife😆
when Jamie begs Dani to take her but “Dani would never” OMFG THAT BROKE ME
"but the lady in the lake was different now, the lady in the lake was also dani" 😭😭
@@cj_260 don’t do that to me😭😭😭😭
S.A.M.E.
SAME
Pushed me over the edge!
"do we care? and then the lesbianism came in and we were like OH WE DO CARE"
me with everything I watch
Feel that!
😂😂😂
LITERALLY SAME LMAO
If this ain't me...
For real like seriously I need wlw content
I love that they are lowkey dressed as Jamie and Dani🥺
exactly i was gonna comment that!
Why are they literally in the wardrobe from the show omg
THEY ARE omg
mhm
@@eyeAmBrittanyH LMFAO
"If she wasn't so hot, I'd really be angry" Literally everyone watching bly manor😂
Ugh and I'm also watching hill house now and I love her there
Me @ Shirley Crain Harris
@@iris1196 shes my fave crain
So true
@@avatrice3077 yeah same!
“What we didn’t t expect was the lesbian love story of the century” !! Preach it.
Just over here crying for the rest of my gay life.
Jamie and Dani’s relationship was just... PERFECTLY splendid
OMFG GTFO
I still think like that tho, girl broke my tiny head
And healthy
The writer of the last episode, Julia Bicknell, is a lesbian, and she said that one of her inspirations was "Imagine Me and You" 🤭
Mike Flanagan, the showrunner, said that in the writers room, they paid a lot of attention to what she had to say about the story of Dani and Jamie. I think that's why they really got it right
the flower shop reminded me of imagine me and you
I loved imagine me and you.
I didn't know who wrote the last episode at that time and I said to myself "Wow, the last episode was so well written and the writer had a very deep understanding of their relationship, it seemed like a woman wrote this episode"... No wonder!
I talk to myself a lot during movies and I literally jokingly said "Nice try, but I've seen imagine me and you before" when i watched the flower shop scenes. thats awesome to know that it was an inspiration lol
ooooh i didn´t know that! I haven´t watched that movie yet so thank you for sharing this info!
SPOILER ALERT!! Still cannot get over Dani giving her life to save Flora and she doesn’t even remember her. 😭
perfectly unsplendid
😭😭😭😭
There is a theory that she might remember dani because she went to the lake out of love, that helped me a bit
it b like that sometimes
Honestly!! This is the only thing that really pissed me off 😭 two of their nannies died and they don’t remember, girl WHAT.
Bly Manor literally had me crying the way Rosie cries about Dumbo.
Oh man, both make me cry. :´(
Shut up dumbo also hits a soft spot I might cry now
I’m about to watch it now that ik there’s a lesbian ship😂
YeSS 😭🤘
I finished Bly Manor literally 10 mins ago and I’m still crying. It’s you, it’s me, it’s us.
I was wrecked a whole week after it came out
listen, i finished it three days ago and i still crying abt it
i mean I KNEW IT but i did'nt expect the hand at the very end
@@nightjetts I’m just sat listening to the lakes by Taylor swift and sobbing tbh
i cried for two days lmao
@@damnnn3790 sameee that shit is hard hsgsgshsg
I agree that Victoria is gorgeous, but why is everyone sleeping so hard on Amelia Eve?! She and her overalls... *chef’s kiss*!! 😍😍
She and her everything, to be honest...
@@danielaardila5081 Agreed 😅
true.. follwed her ryt after watching THE BLY
nobody is sleeping on her she's got an army on twitter and instagram lol
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His wife, Kate Siegel, the actress who portrays the lady in the lake in Bly Manor and Theodora in Hill house, identifies as bisexual. Perhaps this connection is why he includes LGBT characters in his work.
I KNEW there was a connection because he does it SO WELL!!!!
And they named their child Theo 🥺
i knew it.. her as Thea in hill house was too good not to be true
oh God, Mike you lucky bastard, not only he's a genius but also married Kate??? damn, he's my new hero
yes. and that's what Mike said in an interview. thought it was really dope: "It’s something you’re going to see more of as we get into Midnight Mass and Midnight Club (his next projects). It’s a type of representation that’s important to us as individuals, to us as fathers and husbands and citizens of the planet really." and about the Bly finale: "Julia Bicknell who wrote the finale of this season, she and her wife, who also works in the industry, this was something as she put to us, this was the kind of story that she wished she had seen when she was growing up". seems like a cool dude.
"If she wasn't so hot I would've been really angry" -me when there's an attractive female villain
Me @catra
@villanelle
I mean mood but what do you mean it's even hotter if it's a villain
Wheres my childhood crush on shego from Kim possible gang
@@LittleLea141 isnt she the one from D.E.B.S lol
Fun fact: Mike Flanagan is actually married to Viola (Kate Siegel) and she was pregnant during the shooting of Hill House. She loved Theo so much that she named her baby Theodora
Yeah. Her full name is Theodora Isabel Irene Flanagan. Isabele like Viola's daughter and maybe we can expect some Irene in 3rd season.
Giiirl you made my day with that fact. So fuckin cute
Awwww didn't know that. it's so sweet.
So sweet, I like the name Theodora, sure named my kid like that, If i had one in the first place haha
I just really love the fact that one of Netflix's biggest series was a lesbian love story!! Who the hell knew? It was done beautifully, I'm still crying over it. Dani and Jamie were together for 13 years (not 5) which is more than enough than we usually get (even though I want a happily ever after haha) Their love was so pure and healthy. Relationship goals. I don't what other show can top this
Danielle's heart is so pure that she sacrificed her life for the kids. I pray to have a partner like her. 🙂🙏💞
Dani and Jamie actually were together for almost 13 years
"5 years would pass" but after that. How do know? 13 is excellent, i was sad that it was just 5 or 7 years
It's around 13! Same sex civil unions were legalized in Vermont in 2000
@@HelenaSalvator flora was 8 and then when they're in owen's restaurant he says that she's 17 so that's at least 9 years
@@Pati1989 nope it was at least over 9 years, cause when they went to owen's restaurant they said flora was 17 .. she was 8 when the show started.
@@kemmerkeswanicope9426 yeah you're right I just looked it up and the story begins in 1987, so they had to be together for at least 13 years
“They had 5 years and for lesbians on TV that’s a LONG TIME” 😂
Fortunately, it was about 9 years for them which is like a lifetime then.
Exactly they spent 13 years together
I came looking for someone to have quoted this in the comments 😂
they had about 13 years together (at least 9 confirmed) NOT JUST 5 YEARS ROSE DO THE MATHS
Yeah they did have about 13 years together but Viola re-appeared and tormented Dani during her last couple of years :(
How??
@@niharikabisht5565 same-sex civil unions became legal in Vermont (where they lived) in 2000. They left Bly in 1987, so they were together for 13 years
@@majo4420 wait how do we know they lived in Vermont?
@@niharikabisht5565 when they at the meal with own talking to them about the kid u can work out the gap since the house
"Lesbian connection"
"You can't punch people because you're dying"
"She wasn't gaying you"
"I've got a story... * dramatic gay silence *... Like I said, it's not my story"
"I have the lips of a China doll"
"If she wasn't so hot I'd be really angry"
"They had five years and for lesbians on TV that's a life time"
... This video is full of great statements...
**"she wasn't gay in YOU" referring to the show You!
nobody:
rosie: “you can’t just punch people because you’re dying” 😭😭
8:03 But Jamie did go back to Bly and asked to be with Dani! She dived into the lake and screamed "its you, its me, its us". It was Dani that didnt drag her into the lake. She set Jamie free, because she loved her.
The hand at the end was beautiful. It just showed that dani had always been there with Jamie even when she became the lady in the lake, death couldn’t keep her from her true love. I’ve rewatched the season twice now it’s just such a good show, every character is amazing in it
Amelia Eve (jamie actress) said there is a different take of that scene where Dani leaves. Instead of Dani leaving when she wakes up strangling Jamie, Jamie wakes up and they work through it and amelia said they lay there and cried and embraced and I kinda want (n e e d) to see that ending
No fucking way? :o
well it's not really another ending. this scene would have been between the strangling scene and dani leaving. But I really hope we get to see it at some point.
@@Magdalena-qv3mc I guess that could also make sense, but I kinda read it as jamie talking dani out of leaving entirely! I guess we will never know...
@@EmmaMMusic maybe she did, and then Dani waits for her to sleep, and leaves... would make sense with the lack of surprise in jamie's face when she wakes up
Yup! I read that too. I wish we could see that scene! Amelia also mentions how her and Victoria just laid there holding each other even after the director yelled cut because of how emotionally exhausting the scene was. How cute is that?!
"WE DO! *shows hands* *no ring* 😳 we do..."
I DIED LAUGHING ROSE 😭😭
Same
why doesn't she wear the ring anymore?
@@mindrilaana-maria3472 i think she said she had a problem with her hands swelling or something, so she doesn’t always wear it
SAMEE HAHAJXKHSC
I was literally looking for this particular comment 😂😂😂
Mike Flanagan's wife, Kate Siegel, who plays Viola (lady of the lake) in Bly Manor & Theo Crain in Hill House, is openly bisexual.
ALSO Julia Bicknell (writer of the last episode) is a lesbian and Mike Flanagan said that they paid extra attention to what she had to say when writing the most important episode in Dani & Jamie's relationship.
When dani and jamie were having dinner with owen they mention flora being 17 so they had at least 9 years together, maybe more if you count the timing of civil partnership being legalised irl
When I finished I literally started doing the maths to see how long they had together 😅
Definitely more. If they lived in Vermont (which is where Jaime said she wanted to go when they were eating in that diner) then they would not have been able to get a civil union until 2000, and Vermont was the first state to grant civil unions to same sex couples. That means they were together for at least 13 years.
The hand at the end links back to when Hannah says “life is for the living” it means that Dani is always with her but she wants her to live her life without being inhibited by Dani’s ghost
the narrator was saying “much” the same way than jamie but not before episode 6 and i thought that was very funny
That's because the actor that played Jamie sent clips of her voice to the narrator for her to listen to
Also, they made her accent purposefully watered down in the first episodes because they didn’t want to give it away too soon.
@@alyssa6240 and time and location changes Accents.
@@alyssa6240 yeah i know that’s what makes it funny, if you pay attention you can know before the last episode reveal, otherwise you don’t
Jeez
Dani's ex fiancee haunted her for like a year and a half because she was gay,
tAlK AbOuT cLiNgY
I tried to think of it at least partially him haunting her because his disturbed spirit was blaming her for setting in motion the events that lead to his death, (and also her just being haunted in her own mind by overwhelming guilt about the same thing)... But I did also get clingy/incel vibes.
@@vespista1971 right, because she was gay. (please take this as a joke)
it was not actually him, it was a dani's guilt. she kept seeing him but as she said, he wasn't there.
@@taesthetic964 Agreed, but like, if you want to keep it as more of an actual ghost story in your perception, (rather than the more psychological realm), you could look at it like that. I think that the more plausible, accurate explanation is that it was in her head... But the other ghosts at Bly could not be explained away that way.
i swear if Surfshark: The Musical doesn’t get them to Broadway-
Wait until you hear the Surfshark Xmas Special song 😈
@@RoseAndRosieVlogs y’all are gonna save Christmas 2020 aren’t you
(edit): i am not joking, i spent 3 minutes staring at the screen when rosie replied, then 7 minutes trying to figure out what to say and this unenthusiastic piece of burnt brownie was what my brain decided to go with
when rose was like “but she wasn’t a lesbian in you”, that’s literally me for all my favorite lesbian characters it hits different
gfugflidhufxj she was talking about the series You with Victoria Pedretti as Love Quinn
Rose and rosie? Bly manor? I almost broke my phone clicking so hard
"Dani wouldn't. Dani would never" 💔
"if she wasn't so hot I'd be really angry" basically every one of us when there's a woman villain
‘And then the lesbians came in and it was like ‘oh, we do care,” thats just totally me hahhahaha
I am still not over the haunting of bly.
My heart was thoroughly stamped on.
Me too and I always feel like crying and I dnt know who to share my feelings with
honestly, this was one of the best love and sacrifice stories I have seen in a long time, it is very beautiful and extremely sad of all the characters represented, but certainly the one that most marked me and I will not be able to forget for a long time is Dani and Jamie, I cried like a child watching the end, it was perfect.
Rose and Rosie react to the haunting of bly manor... is perfectly splendid
There is apparently an alternative scene where Jamie wakes up before Dani leaves to die at Bly Manor and Jamie manages to make Dani stay (source is Amelia Eve herself in some interviews). I really hope that we will be able to see it
What interview is it, do you have a link?
Victoria Pedretti’s interview responses have me rolling everytime.
I was too attracted to Jamie the gardener to think of anything else!! 😂🤷🏻♀️
They are my life right now
I can't let go
First time we have a lesbian couple on tv without having a big coming out story, or where one of theme have a boyfriend and cheat on him or just back off because she's not ready or confortable..
Their relationship is so pure, true, simple, sincere. They are just in love with echeother.
I'm pretty in love with them it turns out
We got given a lesbian couple like we'd be given a straight couple and it was perfectly splendid
THIS.
@@Clara-kv7xb Exacly and finally!
So you've never heard of a little indie show called The L Word 🤔
@@mydogeatspuke TLW doesn't really count in this instance, since there's Jenny and Tim, with Jenny cheating on Tim with Marina. And a flashback of Tina cheating on her bf with Bette when they first meet. Unless you meant GQ?
Even though it was hella tragic I thought it was a perfectly well rounded way to end the story. Some people did the math, between mentioning Flroa's age and when civil unions were allowed in Vermont, they got something like 10-13 years together. And even though it breaks your heart to see older Jamie looking into the water and leaving the door open, it was enough because we know Dani was always with her and they did get a beautiful life together.
random side note but i really admire rosie's ability to determine which two celebrities someone is a hybrid of, like i'm always shook at the accuracy every time ajskdl
oh gosh. This show absolutely wrecked me. I was actually only planning on watching episode 7 one evening, but after that cliffhanger I just had to go on. I finished that show that night and it concluded to me and my friend crying and sobbing while being in a videocall at one am.
That was probably one and a half weeks ago, and this story hasn't left me since, and i dont think it will antytime soon.
I've been obsessing over victoria pedretti even more now. First saw her in You, then saw her in hill house (didn't watch it at the time, just passed by while someone else was watching it), then fell hard for her in bly manor and decided to watch hill house knowing she was in it. I've watched pretty much every interview she's in and every bly manor interview in general. I think the hand on the shoulder shows dani's been there this whole time, even if jamie didn't know. "dead doesn't mean gone"
Their love story broke my heart but also made me really happy. Those kisses were mad passionate. Dani and jamie forever ♥♥♥
I just finished it yesterday and "I Shall Believe" is etched into my soul now for the heartbreaking moment. I hate that the kids forgot everything including their English accents. Lastly I needed to see her face at least. A true haunting for my heart more than anything else.
bro the second i watched this show i was like CMON ROSE AND ROSIE
The ending made me ball my eyes out but I felt like it was enough, considering how good they built up to the romance and played out the storyline.
I think the hand at the end was a really good way of telling the audience that Dani has been with Jamie the whole time watching her live her life. By far my favourite ship now followed by wayhaught.
Anyone who didn't cry at the ending literally has no soul. 😭😭😭
no the hand wasn’t enough, i needed them to reunite in the afterlife or something like that
I really liked how no big deal it was that they were lesbians. How Hannah and Owen looked at them and thought they were cute as they headed to their date. And, how Owen made that comment about how late it was at the end of the story, cause he knew it was so bittersweet for Jamie to remember it all.
I thought the writting needed a little work, but overall I really liked it. Might rewatch it soom
I’m glad we all agree that this is the love story of the century 🥺
Also have you guys finished she ra cuz I would love to hear your thoughts about the last season!!
I read in an article that Pedretti and Amelia filmed an alt ending where Jamie catches Dani on her way out, instead of just finding the note. She catches her before she leaves and convinces her to stay. Needless to say, they went with the other ending and my heart is forever crushed.
You gotta do Hill House and not specifically in a gay gals context just because it’s SO INCREDIBLY LIFE CHANGING
when scarlet johanson got into the water and screamed: "take me with you" ... that almost broke me!
I thought the perfect ending instead of the hand was that the gardener looks into the mirror and there Dani was, standing in the mirror behind her, probably hugging her from the back sort of like how she was haunted by her dead ex boyfriend and the gardener just stands there, fully embracing the time for a few minutes. It would fit with the storyline of how their ghosts works and her longing to be with the gardener would stay in the gardener mind and therefore, the haunting of a ghost from longing and love.
THIS!!!
I’m not sure that would be fitting at all. The way I see it, by being at Jamie’s side but not revealing herself, Dani is able to support her in some spiritual/emotional way without holding her back. If Jamie knew Dani was there, she might never move on. She might never try to build a life with another woman. Her talk with Clara suggests to me Jamie was getting closer to letting go. Dani would risk rolling that progress back if she showed herself, and the emotional crux of their story is that unlike Peter and Viola, she isn’t selfish enough to do something like that.
i feel like hand was a good call, because I was left feeling her longing even more. Same with the moment Jamie plunged into the lake, wanting to be dragged under. I wanted her ghost to stay with Dani, but it also felt so right that Dani wouldn't let her. I feel like this is the best love story i've ever seen (on so many levels and for multiple characters too!. ) Fu*k Titanic am I right?!
The ending of the haunting of Bly manor destroyed me HAHAHA I've been reading fanfiction to fill the void 😢
Any good recs?
@@julianapace9212 Sorry for the late reply! the one I'm currently obsessed with (and waiting for it to be updated bc it only has one chapter atm) is Good love is hard to find (I keep waiting) by gnarleyquinn on AO3! I've read a lot of one-shots on AO3 too, but I haven't read every fic there is bc I'm trying to avoid the ones that sound like they'll make me cry, lol
@@atomicred893 Thanks! I need to read something about them to fill the void they left LOL
i’m convinced that kate siegel directed like 75% of bly manor
Ahhh not Rose and Rosie making me go through this heartbreak again 🥴🙃❤️
The haunting of bly manor made me come out. I was sure all of the sudden
Loved this😂😍
i feel like everyone has this one thing (movie, song, speech etc.) that gives them this final moment of revelation. Not just like "im gay. its settled." but "ive been questioning for a long time, although in the back of my head in a way i actually knew but i didnt want to admit it to myself.. And THIS gave me this final bit of confidence/assurence to accept the fact and have closure." Or maybe thats just my experience..idk :)
@@avr7120 This is exactly it
NO ONE MOVE THEYRE REACTING TO BLY MANOR
I have two theories about the last scene:
1. I think the last scene with Dani's hand on Jamie's shoulder shows that Dani is still with her and that she's trying her best to "tuck away" Jamie. In some scenes of Miles and Pete, especially in the part where Dani found out about Pete and Rebecca's ghosts, it is seen that before possessing Miles, without getting his consent, Pete puts his hand on Miles' shoulder. We can remember that Jamie tried to give Dani her consent to possess her or tuck her away in their last scene together in the lake, but Dani cannot do it because of how much she loves Jamie.
2. Or maybe, the last scene of Dani's hand on Jamie's shoulder shows the relevance of incorporating the story of Dani's dead fiancé. We can see that the first time Dani saw her fiancé's ghost is through a mirror with her dead fiancé's hand on her shoulder. Maybe this means somehow, Jamie blames herself for what happened and Dani doesn't want Jamie to feel that exact same way she felt about the death of her ex fiancé, that's why she never showed herself to Jamie but she also made the decision to never leave her and be by her side until they meet each other again in another world.
Oh. Can you please keep going and
these theories are just perfectly splendid!
Lol I was waiting how long it would be until you guys found this masterpiece
I died when Rose showed her hands thinking she got her rings on 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
When I finished the series I was so maaaad, they were so cute but they had to keep in mind that at any moment it could all be over and I hated that
They lived day by day so te hey wouldn’t worry :( but ye it was inevitable
6:47
"Oh I know we can't get married but I don't care."
Me after Amy Barrett got confirmed to the Supreme Court last night.
I am so sorry for you americans. Well at least the ones of you who aren't totally brainwashed.
I hope everything will be fine and gay marriage will stand.
I mean even if it is repealed it only affects couples who lived in states that refused to legalize it before 2015. That’s still awful and I hope it doesn’t happen but it doesn’t take everyone’s rights away it’ll just revert back to being on a state to state basis. Ugh why can’t those traditional politicians just chill for once.
THE HANDS WERE ENOUGH!!!! honestly it made so much sense within the story, it was sad but it was a beautiful kind of sad.
I saw a thread on tumblr the other day where someone explained that Dani & Jaime actually spent more years together!! not only 5 but like 10-13!! that makes it hurt a bit less
They actually spent 13 years together as the day before dani died jamie came home with civil union papers which was in 2000. So they live together for 13 year🥺😭
Hill house was my favourite show until yesterday when I finished Bly Manor.
WOAH WAIT THIS IS SUCH A COINCIDENCE I LITERALLY JUST FINISHED THIS SHOW AND THEN THIS SHOWS UP...
the internet scares me so much
It's watching you...
o_0
Same💀💀💀
@@aakankshachoudhary4350 Yep, watching you too. BORING! (JK)
same
it haunts you, it haunts me, it haunts us.
I appreciate how you are both channeling Dani and Jamie with your outfits in this video 🥰
Dani and Jamie were a blonde/brunette couple where the blonde one got roasted a bunch, so this is very on brand.
There are soooo many theories about "the hand at the end." Victoria Pedretti says she thinks Dani has always been with Jaime. Another theory out there was that Jaime died, and Dani was waiting for her. Still another says the REAL mansion where this took place was the location of the wedding (which I severely doubt) and since Jaime came back now Dani can come to her.
Someone also pointed out Dani's ex-fiancee is probably in her head, much like the uncle's evil self is also in his head. Both are banished by a major shift change in their lives.
I am so impressed at how in this a lesbian dies and it isn't a cliche, but a natural and understandable part of the story--not some random violent death to fit a formula. Had Viola succeeded in killing Dani that would have seemed so (maybe). But the fact Dani is by far the most heroic character of all, and Jaime simply accepted whatever would come, with years and years together--made a huge difference.
I am a widower, and Jaime screaming underwater "YOU! ME! US!" really struck a chord.
I do recommend FINGERSMITH and point out the second season of GENTLEMAN JACK is starting.
Yeah I don't think the wedding mansion was the real bly manor either. Like uncle henry would never let Flora get married there
@@phadenswandemil4345 also that house was in northern California, and Bly is for sure in the UK Owen and Jamie are still very British haha
the dislike is probably peter bc you’re gonna hate him
This comment - 😭😭
🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Soon as she walked on set 👉🏻 gay" -Rose October of 2020
yeah this show really was impeccable, jamie and dani had me in tears 💙 and when at the end they went back to the narrator and I saw that she was wearing the golden ring WOW there was where i died. Or maybe at the lake scene when jamie is screaming under water AAA 😭😭
is it time to admit I thought the narrator was calling Dani an ‘old pear’ like a cute nickname bc my ass didn’t know what an au pair was lmfaoooo
They had 5 years, for lesbians on tv, that's a lifetime"
Truer words have never been spoken 😂😂
As someone who is about to start university to study filmmaking, The Haunting Of Bly Manor has really raised the bar as far as the kind of television/movies that I would like to see more of AND produce. Dani and Jaime will always have a special place in my heart 🥺
I think the hand was enough bc it was subtle, so it wouldn't have to show Dani's face (I think she hasn't got one anymore). But really, I looved the concept and I cried my heart out with that ending
I failed one of my courses today, and I spend the whole day crying in my bed. Now I'm laughing so hard that my stomach hurts. Thank you for always brightening our days.
Honestly, you NEVER disappoint. i was hoping this week’s video was gonna be about them and here it is!!! THANK YOU
I knew the ending prior to watching. I thought I was gonna be sad but wasn’t sure if I was gonna cry.
When I say I SOBBED that is an understatement. Literally 70% of the episode spent crying. A masterpiece.
The bit where the narrator says “she would know nuffin’ of the gardener” is forever stuck in my head.
Are we not going to talk about how Victoria Pedretti looks like a younger version of Piper Perabo?
this
RIGHT!! I was just thinking that same thing
Coyote Ugly and Imagine Me and You era... Exactly
She looks like a love child of Piper Perabo and Liv Tyler
The even sadder thing is, when u think ab it Dani never visited Jamie when she was awake. All because Jamie went through so much and Dani loves her so much she doesn’t wanna haunt/scare her so she only visits when Jamie’s asleep🥺🥺🥺
I didn't notice any ghosts because I was too distracted by Jamie XD but now I'm reviewing the series and seeing a lot of them
“It was the lesbian connection for me”
Never watched an episode but I could listen to them discuss for hours.
They were together 13 years! The scene when Jamie comes in with the 'civil unions paper' that became legal in 2001 in Vermont. So it's insinuating they've been together 13 years.
This is probably the best gay relationship I’ve ever seen on TV. I 100% believed it and it wasn’t rushed. The hand at the end made my tears less heavy, still cried though.
"They had five years, and for lesbians on tv that's a life time" Brilliant!!! 😂
I watched an analysis of this season somewhere on here that broke my heart in it's read of the hand at the end, and the more I think about it, the more accurate I think it is, and the sadder I get. Jamie is falling asleep, probably remembering Dani when the hand appears. The analysis posited that the hand was just a visual representation of what Jamie had said earlier as she was summing up the story for older Flora and the other guests: that Dani now only exists in the mind of the woman who loved her most - Jamie. Dani's ghost isn't with Jamie, only a memory of her is, and that's what the hand represents. Dani's self-awareness has been erased, just like it had been for all the other souls trapped at Bly. She is benignly and mindlessly walking the halls of Bly Manor. She made the ultimate sacrifice to save Flora. No going to wherever all the ghosts get summoned after they die if they are not being weighed down to Bly Manor by the lady in the lake, no memory of herself and the people she loved, no reuniting with Jamie in death, actual nothingness for eternity. Jamie makes a point of sharing the story with Flora because of how Dani seemed upset at dinner that Flora wouldn't know what Dani did for her, because she gave up so much. And Dani's one way out of it all was to pull Jamie into that same hell when she dove into the lake at the end, but Dani wouldn't do that to Jamie, so she'll never appear in the water's reflection, because she hasn't taken up the invitation that damned her in the first place and that would damn Jamie in kind. The hand is Jamie fiercely trying to keep a part of Dani in this world, but it's not actually Dani.
I was so sad and heartbroken when I finished this show yesterday lol
I didn’t expect that too😭😭😭 I was just looking for some good old scary scenes there. It got me off guard😭 Netflix is the best.