I feel like some fair/flat rides definitely exceed these limits. Huss top spins and some frisbee rides are insane, and don’t get me started on the other spinning rides
I think even certain things outside of a theme park can exceed those limits. Slamming the break on a car or like being spun around on one those circular things at playgrounds can exceed g-forces on coasters
@@kiwikiwi2483 Those cases that you mentioned usually don't exceed roller coaster forces. Car braking is limited by the tires, which have a coefficient of friction of about 1 in most cases. You won't get much more than 1 g unless you have downforce (F1 cars can achieve greater than 5 g, I think). A small 2m diameter playground carousel has to be spun at 16 km/h to produce 2 g at the edge. Most kids can't do that, let alone run that fast.
@@Trancefreak12it’s a rare case, but i’ve seen people using motorbike wheels to get roundabouts to insane speeds and the people riding it weren’t harmed by the g force
Tbh, the most nauseous i've ever been on rollercoasters is due to the braking at the end just before the station, some coasters arrive way too fast and have to brake way too hard. For instance, the RMC coaster in Energylandia in Poland is incredible, but I've felt more sick afterwards due to the rapid deceleration.... Thanks for the awesome video!
Its uh crazy you say that cause the only 2 times I have thrown up was after the ride after the coaster stopped. It was pretty embarrassing, it was in florida the ride was a newer one so it was intense but didn't make me sick I enjoyed it quite alot, but then come the breaks and the lightheadedness. It makes us sit there in the heat for a minute or two while I can feel myself about to throw up. Unfortunately it pulled up and right in front of everyone I got to throw up on myself.....embarrassing af.
Was there today and yesterday, definitley not the most intense ride. Silver star is way more fun because you get a lot of airtime. Blue fire's best Part is the roll in the end.
COASTER BOT and CoasterStats, thank you both for this excellent presentation, and for elaborating on the physics, motion and measurement details involved in designing these creations. As a diehard coaster enthusiast, this next-level information is Golden!
Thanks for watching and for the kind words about the video! We're always trying to find topics that even enthusiasts might not know much about. I learnt loads from the CoasterStats team while making this video!
Great video, really puts racing car accidents in perspective. Kenny Bräck crashed in indy car and experienced 214 Gs, totally insane when you think about what you can feel in a coaster with just couple of Gs.
This makes me wonder what kind of insane designs could be achieved if everyone was a fighter pilot. You can use this ride but first you've got to learn the Hick Maneuver and wear this flight suit so you don't pass out.
thank you for telling me about the hick maneuver, that's super interesting to everyone else: you basically tense every muscle in your body below the neck. this restricts blood flow to those areas so the blood in your head won't rush down to your feet as easily. it actually works!
I love how you also included many coasters from different parts of the world. I live in the NL and I recognised at least 4 coasters you put in there. Great job!
CoasterStats is an awesome resource, more people should definitely know about them! Also, they reached out to me and I was super excited to make a video with them!
My favourite science teacher is back at it! YES! All those G-Force shifts illustrate bluntly the difference between centre of gravity and centre of mass. Centre of mass never moves, but anyone on one of these coaster trains is dealing with a constant shift of their centre of gravity. Centre of mass is crucial for balancing, and centre of gravity is crucial for dealing with wear and tear.
And even with all that testing, certain coaster brands are nutorious for being uncomfortable. And sometimes one just can't smooth things out enough due to limited building space. The travelling coaster Olympia Looping and Jetline in Stockholm are examples of that.
Nah, great forces that are even painful are not my taste. For me it's creative and highly flexible layouts, that make you feel flexible and free, soaring through the air. If you make me feel like flying and essentially, like a circus artist, at the same time, you have done it. Especially negative and lateral Gs are my type. I love airtime twists, inversions, unusual angles and a quick loss of orientation and generally a fast pacing.
I remember when I was like 8, I rode a tall drop coaster, and I remember my feet hurting a lot when I was walking off. I wasn’t hit by anything, and didn’t gray out, so why would my feet hurt? The pain only lasted for a few seconds, though.
Absolutely love this, but just a heads-up, the American Society for Testing and Materials underwent a rebrand. It is now ASTM International, and ASTM doesn't stand for anything anymore. They are working on large harmonization efforts with the EN and ISO standards. This is all to broaden the international appeal of using ASTM International standards. It is the F24 Committee's job to manage the standards pertaining to Amusement Rides and Devices.
You're right: I'm not a fighter pilot. But Riding elite coasters is expensive. I just wanna get my money's worth. But from what I've experience having ridden over 133 roller coasters, the combination of intensity and duration of positive Gs I experienced on Raptor at Cedar Point provides the roller coaster experienced more likely to cause me to grey out than any coaster I've ridden before or after it. It's happened on other coasters, but no one near as consistently as Raptor. I saw stars coming into the break run every other time I rode it, and that was over four years ago when I was only 48 years old. Having said that: I'm more of a negative G guy which is why I prefer Steel Vengeance and Behemoth, El Toro, Ghostrider, The Cyclone at Coney Island at Luna Beach Brooklyn NYC as well as "forceless" Millennium Force to Raptor. But I still LOVE raptor for its extreme positive G greyout intensity. It has the biggest Prime ride time duration of any B&M invert with over 3.700' of track, yet with only a 118' drop. It's cloned by Le Mostre in France that got moved from Japan. Also: the lack of difference between the front and back of a train doesn't merely depend on its length unless there are many cars. (A 4 row 1 car train will have no different experience between each row, but a 6 row 6 car train will have 6 different experiences between each row.). But generally speaking you're correct: the longer the train the bigger the difference between the front and back will be. It's a shame you have to remind people of what is true in 2022, but your truth to physics (especially in the form of roller coaster enthusiasm) is why why I love your channel. I only hope I can finally learn how to enter into your "best roller coasters you've ridden" thing which I had difficulty figuring out last year, so I gave up without entering any data. Since then I've ridden El Toro, Max Force, Goliath at SFGA, Nitro, Raging Bull and The Cyclone at Coney Island in Brooklyn NYC amongst at least 30 others. This is your project: it'd behove you to help me figure out how to participate. I want to, but I cannot if I don't know how to, and there's no shame in that, but If I cannot figure that out: does that mean my opinions don't count? How do you consider the opinions of people like that when you know there are many and want to know their opinion? Thanks for this awesome video about the physics of roller coaster forces on the human body and it's limits. I could never hate this channel even if I don't figure out how to participate in your annual Best coasters list. But if my roller coster opinions don't count: why should any one else's? Thats just a natural response for anyone who loves your channel. If you were in my position: you just might feel the same way too. But please consider I wouldn't feel that way if I wasn't experienced and passionate enough about roller coasters to want to participate in your best coasters list; I hope I can do that, but I cannot promise to participate in anything I don't even know how to participate in, at least not yet. Then again: I wasn't born a classical violinist either, and yet: I am now. I guess we all have different strengths in different places, but in the meantime: we both love roller coasters. Peace, Love, Happy Winter Solstice; Hanukkah, Christmas etc. and thanks or this wonderful video. Much love, Harry!
Curious if you've been on I305? I've ridden quite a bit of coaster as well, probably around the 130 mark too and I305 was unlike anything. I've only ridden it twice, years apart both time. I legit almost blacked out and had horrendous chest pain during the ride. I will never ride it again. For some reason, my body can't take it. I've never experienced that on ANY other ride!
@@nikkisavo7293 I haven't ridden I-305 but I don't doubt your experience, As I said: Raptor is the most intense coaster I'VE RIDDEN due to its positive G forces and its prime ride time duration the latter of which is the most for a B&M invert since it has such a track length of 3,790' (1,155.5 M) but only a 119' (36 M) drop. Thanks for asking though!
one of the main things that I'm scared of on rollercoasters is G-force and blackouts (also inversions) but which would you say is that best at Thorpe park because I'm going on 6th June.
@@coasterbot I have a heart condition. I really shouldn't ride them. I haven't riden one in years now because of it. At first I never knew what was happening. I would get on the ride and I wouldn't remember anything.
Theres this "raketti" (rocket) in linnanmäki Helsinki that launches you at 4 g, then slows you down and drops down again. Apparently it's slowing down with gravity only, but i almost lose consciousness at the top when the blood rushes to my head. Still enjoy it tho. And the losses bit if seat belt swings up, showing that it's actively braking and not just falling back down. It doesn't say how many negative GS on the website, but i wanna know.
And this is why I hate the final brakes at nearly every coaster (especially Black Mamba in Phantasialand). But this is a low price to pay for the excitement beforehand. :D
I believed this until RMC came around and completely broke the mold on coaster design. Yes Gforce is a limit but it can be mitigated with angles and speed. We haven’t seen anything yet when it comes to coasters, the best is yet to come.
@@coasterbot Apart from the straight forces (g's) there are also the 6 moments (around the same 3 axis). Moments are the acceleration for rotating around the axis This is most notable on rides that have quick transitions between banking left and right. But this can also be found on the y axis on quick small bunny hops f.e. Spinning rides are also famous for using these moments in their ride experience and some new coasters like ride to happiness are going even further with it.
I had my first real big greyout this summer. It actually made the experience a lot funnier because there I was, hanging 60m above ground, not knowing how the hell I got here, but screaming my poor lungs out nonetheless. Needless to say, I rode again.
Hi, I was wondering if you knew if it was ok for a roller coaster to reach a maximum G force of 6.091, thus exceeding 6G's by 0.091for 0.5371 seconds, and reaching a maximum negative G-force of -2.029, thus exceeding -2G's by 0.029 for 0.1629 seconds. I have created a roller coaster design, but is it still considered safe if its slightly over?
If ASTM standards are binding, how are old Schwarzkopfs that pull more than 6 Gs (Mindbender at Edmonton, the upcoming Drier Looping relocation to Indiana Beach, the relocated Laser Loops at Lagoon) able to operate? Thriller pulled 6.7 Gs when it operated at Astroworld, blowing these limits out of the water, but the park was allowed to operate it. EDIT: Got further to the "you can do anything for 0.2 seconds" bit, which might explain it.
It also might depend on how long these standards exist. Some rides may have been constructed before the standards have been created. But we‘re not too sure about the history of those standards.
@@CoasterStats That would explain Mindbender and maybe Thriller/Texas Tornado, but the Laser Loops relocation was recent, and the Drier Looping relocation is still in-progress. ASTM standards definitely apply to rides that used to be grandfathered but then get relocated -- back when Astroworld closed, Six Flags was looking at relocating Texas Cyclone to Fiesta Texas, but couldn't because the clearances didn't meet the current ASTM code (wasn't an issue when it was at Astroworld, because it was a much older ride, and thus was grandfathered in).
i often joke with my friends that every roller coaster is too boring for me, and i need to go on a fighter jet to be able to feel something. hopefully one day i can enjoy something with enough Gs to make me feel ticklish in the stomach again lmao
Theoretically, can't you counteract extreme G-forces with opposite G-forces? For example, could you pull a full second of -1.8 gees by bookending it with powerful positives?
No, this isn't a video game lol. If you make someone experience 10 G of force for a second and then - 10 G of force afterwards for a second that isn't the same as experiencing 0 G or 1 G, it would mess you up
Only if they happen simultaneously. Going from one extreme to the other just means an even _more_ extreme jolt (change in acceleration over time, also called "jerk"), which is just as important as acceleration.
@@angeldude101 Well, yeah. I'm more referring to the strategy of interspersing heavy positives with ejector airtime to bring blood more quickly back to the head, and was wondering if one could produce a singular moment of insane sustained ejector by inverting that trick.
Is it taken into account that I'm not looking to be 'comfortable' when riding a thrill coaster? I want a raw visceral, scary experience. As long as it's not going to actually kill me, load me with all those snappy Gs baby. I bet the bottom of Grand National's first double down hits over 6G for a split second, I love it. Night ride, wet rails, good luck spine!
Fighter pilots are wearing special suits designed to aid blood flow in high-G maneuvers in addition to their physical training. I seriously doubt that a fighter pilot could walk away unharmed from a coaster that pulled the same G forces as a fighter jet.
I think I need therapy because I frowned when I heard intamen reduced intensity of the turn. I want to experience greying out. Redding out maybe not but grey or black I'm fine with.
Wow I've never been so called out by a video title before, sorry everyone for holding roller coasters back due to my physical limits as a human
Sorry pal, you're just holding us back though 😔
Dude, I've been looking for you. Ive got a few things to say to you
You're only human after all
Man really?
It’s all right bro, I forgive you
You really did a good job with the video. It was a pleasure to work with you! Thank you very much!
When will you be uploading again
@@nicegnome9335 it's hard to tell. To be honest, we're very busy at the moment :)
Thanks for all the great work you do.
Thanks for collabing with us! The great did turn out fantastic 😍
@@CoasterStats Please come to Australia!
I feel like some fair/flat rides definitely exceed these limits. Huss top spins and some frisbee rides are insane, and don’t get me started on the other spinning rides
I think even certain things outside of a theme park can exceed those limits. Slamming the break on a car or like being spun around on one those circular things at playgrounds can exceed g-forces on coasters
@@kiwikiwi2483 Those cases that you mentioned usually don't exceed roller coaster forces. Car braking is limited by the tires, which have a coefficient of friction of about 1 in most cases. You won't get much more than 1 g unless you have downforce (F1 cars can achieve greater than 5 g, I think). A small 2m diameter playground carousel has to be spun at 16 km/h to produce 2 g at the edge. Most kids can't do that, let alone run that fast.
@@Trancefreak12it’s a rare case, but i’ve seen people using motorbike wheels to get roundabouts to insane speeds and the people riding it weren’t harmed by the g force
@@Trancefreak12 Kids can't run 16km/h? lol?
@@jazzabighits4473 Of course some kids can. What's your point?
You always pick the best topics to cover! I hope one day CoasterStats comes to America and does rides like El Toro and Skyrush.
I hope they do too, it would be awesome to see the stats of some American coasters!
Would love to see the ejector airtime on el toro 😂 I’ve never ridden it but Americans say it’s insane
Tbh, the most nauseous i've ever been on rollercoasters is due to the braking at the end just before the station, some coasters arrive way too fast and have to brake way too hard. For instance, the RMC coaster in Energylandia in Poland is incredible, but I've felt more sick afterwards due to the rapid deceleration.... Thanks for the awesome video!
The deceleration on Zadra (the RMC at Energylandia) is stupidly intense. I'm not surprised you felt a bit ill after!
Its uh crazy you say that cause the only 2 times I have thrown up was after the ride after the coaster stopped. It was pretty embarrassing, it was in florida the ride was a newer one so it was intense but didn't make me sick I enjoyed it quite alot, but then come the breaks and the lightheadedness. It makes us sit there in the heat for a minute or two while I can feel myself about to throw up. Unfortunately it pulled up and right in front of everyone I got to throw up on myself.....embarrassing af.
Same here! I can go on any roller coaster no problem, but if I'm not situated properly by the time the train returns to the station I'll get nausea
"The launch of blue fire at Europa part causes you to feel the sensation of wanting to fall asleep for a prolonged amount of time"
Legit
Why does everyone hate the blue fire launch that much? I think its pretty nice
@@megaplexXxHD Because its on the MUCH weaker side
Was there today and yesterday, definitley not the most intense ride. Silver star is way more fun because you get a lot of airtime. Blue fire's best Part is the roll in the end.
COASTER BOT and CoasterStats, thank you both for this excellent presentation, and for elaborating on the physics, motion and measurement details involved in designing these creations. As a diehard coaster enthusiast, this next-level information is Golden!
Thanks for watching and for the kind words about the video! We're always trying to find topics that even enthusiasts might not know much about. I learnt loads from the CoasterStats team while making this video!
Great video, really puts racing car accidents in perspective. Kenny Bräck crashed in indy car and experienced 214 Gs, totally insane when you think about what you can feel in a coaster with just couple of Gs.
God yeah that is insane!
This vid is some of your strongest work. Incredibly informative and well put together. 👏
Thanks for the super kind comment, it means a lot ☺️
This makes me wonder what kind of insane designs could be achieved if everyone was a fighter pilot.
You can use this ride but first you've got to learn the Hick Maneuver and wear this flight suit so you don't pass out.
i mean dont fighter pilots wear special suits to keep them from dying
@@justwhatido6058 just so they don't pass out, they don't experience enough G's to be deadly.
thank you for telling me about the hick maneuver, that's super interesting
to everyone else: you basically tense every muscle in your body below the neck. this restricts blood flow to those areas so the blood in your head won't rush down to your feet as easily. it actually works!
I love how you also included many coasters from different parts of the world. I live in the NL and I recognised at least 4 coasters you put in there. Great job!
Most of the footage you see is my own recordings. I love the coasters in the Netherlands, they're great! :)
CoasterStats is such a great resource for coaster enthusiasts. More people should know about them, so it is nice of you to include them in this video.
CoasterStats is an awesome resource, more people should definitely know about them!
Also, they reached out to me and I was super excited to make a video with them!
My favourite science teacher is back at it! YES!
All those G-Force shifts illustrate bluntly the difference between centre of gravity and centre of mass. Centre of mass never moves, but anyone on one of these coaster trains is dealing with a constant shift of their centre of gravity. Centre of mass is crucial for balancing, and centre of gravity is crucial for dealing with wear and tear.
Very very good point! Thanks for watching :)
And even with all that testing, certain coaster brands are nutorious for being uncomfortable. And sometimes one just can't smooth things out enough due to limited building space. The travelling coaster Olympia Looping and Jetline in Stockholm are examples of that.
Nah, great forces that are even painful are not my taste. For me it's creative and highly flexible layouts, that make you feel flexible and free, soaring through the air. If you make me feel like flying and essentially, like a circus artist, at the same time, you have done it. Especially negative and lateral Gs are my type. I love airtime twists, inversions, unusual angles and a quick loss of orientation and generally a fast pacing.
I agree, layout design builds more towards a great roller coaster than just the maximum g-forces it makes you experience :)
always the best videos! Nobody makes better coaster videos than you!
You're too kind ☺️
i love coaster stats! great channel
I agree!
Excellent video as always. Very professionally made. Great graphics, voiceover, content etc.
Thanks for the kind words! ☺️
I remember when I was like 8, I rode a tall drop coaster, and I remember my feet hurting a lot when I was walking off. I wasn’t hit by anything, and didn’t gray out, so why would my feet hurt? The pain only lasted for a few seconds, though.
g-forces can create a lot of pressure inside your blood vessels. It might be possible, that this hurts.
Absolutely love this, but just a heads-up, the American Society for Testing and Materials underwent a rebrand. It is now ASTM International, and ASTM doesn't stand for anything anymore. They are working on large harmonization efforts with the EN and ISO standards. This is all to broaden the international appeal of using ASTM International standards.
It is the F24 Committee's job to manage the standards pertaining to Amusement Rides and Devices.
Good point! Very interesting to hear they're trying to align more with existing other standards!
I am rly curious to know how much G force we take on Zadra final brakes ! 7:51
Around -2 g's:
ruclips.net/video/7HEleOdamgk/видео.html
A very high number: ruclips.net/video/7HEleOdamgk/видео.html
-2g for a short time (according to coasterstats video linked by coaster bot)
Which is on the edge of the allowed limit for less than 0,2 seconds.
That tight limit on negative g's must be the reason we don't have any fast upside-down camelbacks on any (non-flying) coasters.
This is really cool information! Really enjoy your videos :D
Thanks for watching and for the kind comment 😊
You can move at ANY SPEED... it's the change in speed or angular momentum that exerts the stress on your body
You're right: I'm not a fighter pilot. But Riding elite coasters is expensive. I just wanna get my money's worth. But from what I've experience having ridden over 133 roller coasters, the combination of intensity and duration of positive Gs I experienced on Raptor at Cedar Point provides the roller coaster experienced more likely to cause me to grey out than any coaster I've ridden before or after it. It's happened on other coasters, but no one near as consistently as Raptor. I saw stars coming into the break run every other time I rode it, and that was over four years ago when I was only 48 years old.
Having said that: I'm more of a negative G guy which is why I prefer Steel Vengeance and Behemoth, El Toro, Ghostrider, The Cyclone at Coney Island at Luna Beach Brooklyn NYC as well as "forceless" Millennium Force to Raptor. But I still LOVE raptor for its extreme positive G greyout intensity. It has the biggest Prime ride time duration of any B&M invert with over 3.700' of track, yet with only a 118' drop. It's cloned by Le Mostre in France that got moved from Japan.
Also: the lack of difference between the front and back of a train doesn't merely depend on its length unless there are many cars. (A 4 row 1 car train will have no different experience between each row, but a 6 row 6 car train will have 6 different experiences between each row.). But generally speaking you're correct: the longer the train the bigger the difference between the front and back will be. It's a shame you have to remind people of what is true in 2022, but your truth to physics (especially in the form of roller coaster enthusiasm) is why why I love your channel.
I only hope I can finally learn how to enter into your "best roller coasters you've ridden" thing which I had difficulty figuring out last year, so I gave up without entering any data. Since then I've ridden El Toro, Max Force, Goliath at SFGA, Nitro, Raging Bull and The Cyclone at Coney Island in Brooklyn NYC amongst at least 30 others. This is your project: it'd behove you to help me figure out how to participate. I want to, but I cannot if I don't know how to, and there's no shame in that, but If I cannot figure that out: does that mean my opinions don't count? How do you consider the opinions of people like that when you know there are many and want to know their opinion?
Thanks for this awesome video about the physics of roller coaster forces on the human body and it's limits. I could never hate this channel even if I don't figure out how to participate in your annual Best coasters list. But if my roller coster opinions don't count: why should any one else's? Thats just a natural response for anyone who loves your channel. If you were in my position: you just might feel the same way too. But please consider I wouldn't feel that way if I wasn't experienced and passionate enough about roller coasters to want to participate in your best coasters list; I hope I can do that, but I cannot promise to participate in anything I don't even know how to participate in, at least not yet. Then again: I wasn't born a classical violinist either, and yet: I am now. I guess we all have different strengths in different places, but in the meantime: we both love roller coasters.
Peace, Love, Happy Winter Solstice; Hanukkah, Christmas etc. and thanks or this wonderful video. Much love, Harry!
Curious if you've been on I305? I've ridden quite a bit of coaster as well, probably around the 130 mark too and I305 was unlike anything. I've only ridden it twice, years apart both time. I legit almost blacked out and had horrendous chest pain during the ride. I will never ride it again. For some reason, my body can't take it. I've never experienced that on ANY other ride!
@@nikkisavo7293 I haven't ridden I-305 but I don't doubt your experience, As I said: Raptor is the most intense coaster I'VE RIDDEN due to its positive G forces and its prime ride time duration the latter of which is the most for a B&M invert since it has such a track length of 3,790' (1,155.5 M) but only a 119' (36 M) drop. Thanks for asking though!
You deserve an award for this one yo!
Very impressive!
You're too kind! 😊
one of the main things that I'm scared of on rollercoasters is G-force and blackouts (also inversions) but which would you say is that best at Thorpe park because I'm going on 6th June.
I love Rollercoasters! I pass out and don't remember anything and wake up when the ride is over.
Sounds like an interesting relationship between you and roller coasters
@@coasterbot I have a heart condition. I really shouldn't ride them. I haven't riden one in years now because of it. At first I never knew what was happening. I would get on the ride and I wouldn't remember anything.
Theres this "raketti" (rocket) in linnanmäki Helsinki that launches you at 4 g, then slows you down and drops down again. Apparently it's slowing down with gravity only, but i almost lose consciousness at the top when the blood rushes to my head. Still enjoy it tho. And the losses bit if seat belt swings up, showing that it's actively braking and not just falling back down. It doesn't say how many negative GS on the website, but i wanna know.
love how he yapped about g forces for 15 minutes with roller coasters in the background and I still enjoyed it
And this is why I hate the final brakes at nearly every coaster (especially Black Mamba in Phantasialand). But this is a low price to pay for the excitement beforehand. :D
8:13 wait, so vertical negative gs are limited to 1.5 but if you’re on a flying coaster you can brake at 3.5 gs? That’s just redout territory
Those limits refer to the body axis. Therefore Flying Coasters can only brake with 1.5 g.
This is why I miss arrow loopers. People hate them for the restraints.
But the transitions? The variety of forces? Nothing touches them.
1:20 Bro your not taking into account that I could be watching this from the International Space Station. That’s really spaceist man
Oh damn sorry my dude, I'll be more respectful next time 😔
I grey out actually pretty easily and I really don't like lateral forces, but, my number 1 is I305 because of both of them~
Ha ha incredible, i305 looks fantastic
Nice vid so if you hold hands in the air 🙌 do you get more g’s?
Ha ha sadly not, but it definitely makes the ride feel much more chaotic and exciting!
I believed this until RMC came around and completely broke the mold on coaster design. Yes Gforce is a limit but it can be mitigated with angles and speed. We haven’t seen anything yet when it comes to coasters, the best is yet to come.
G-forces definitely aren't the only thing needed for a great ride, I agree. I hope there is still lots yet to come!
@@coasterbot Apart from the straight forces (g's) there are also the 6 moments (around the same 3 axis). Moments are the acceleration for rotating around the axis
This is most notable on rides that have quick transitions between banking left and right.
But this can also be found on the y axis on quick small bunny hops f.e.
Spinning rides are also famous for using these moments in their ride experience and some new coasters like ride to happiness are going even further with it.
Great video!
Thanks!
I had my first real big greyout this summer. It actually made the experience a lot funnier because there I was, hanging 60m above ground, not knowing how the hell I got here, but screaming my poor lungs out nonetheless.
Needless to say, I rode again.
Sounds thrilling ha ha! :)
Hi, I was wondering if you knew if it was ok for a roller coaster to reach a maximum G force of 6.091, thus exceeding 6G's by 0.091for 0.5371 seconds, and reaching a maximum negative G-force of -2.029, thus exceeding -2G's by 0.029 for 0.1629 seconds. I have created a roller coaster design, but is it still considered safe if its slightly over?
If ASTM standards are binding, how are old Schwarzkopfs that pull more than 6 Gs (Mindbender at Edmonton, the upcoming Drier Looping relocation to Indiana Beach, the relocated Laser Loops at Lagoon) able to operate? Thriller pulled 6.7 Gs when it operated at Astroworld, blowing these limits out of the water, but the park was allowed to operate it.
EDIT: Got further to the "you can do anything for 0.2 seconds" bit, which might explain it.
It also might depend on how long these standards exist. Some rides may have been constructed before the standards have been created. But we‘re not too sure about the history of those standards.
@@CoasterStats That would explain Mindbender and maybe Thriller/Texas Tornado, but the Laser Loops relocation was recent, and the Drier Looping relocation is still in-progress. ASTM standards definitely apply to rides that used to be grandfathered but then get relocated -- back when Astroworld closed, Six Flags was looking at relocating Texas Cyclone to Fiesta Texas, but couldn't because the clearances didn't meet the current ASTM code (wasn't an issue when it was at Astroworld, because it was a much older ride, and thus was grandfathered in).
Such an interesting video 🤩
Thanks, we're glad you enjoyed it! :)
This guy has such a calm voic and i love it
Thank you 😊
thanks for adding portaventura rides!
No problem, thanks for watching!
I want a rollercoaster so intense that I have to sign a waiver and take breathing training to ride.
i often joke with my friends that every roller coaster is too boring for me, and i need to go on a fighter jet to be able to feel something. hopefully one day i can enjoy something with enough Gs to make me feel ticklish in the stomach again lmao
You really learn us something. Great job 👍
Thanks for watching!
Most interesting video of the week :o
😍
funny how you put the zac spin when talking about things being uncomfortable.
Loved the video😊
to be fair fighter pilots usually wear compression suits and oxygen masks
they allow you to withstand more G than even a trained human would otherwise
Exactly
Hello There, a great Video which is really interesting and well explained. Cheers Peter :-)
Thanks for the kind words Peter :)
@@coasterbot Hello There, you're welcome and you deserve it. Cheers Peter :)
the most common positives g are about 4 - 4.4 gs ! right? i don’t know that statistically, just what i noticed
Theoretically, can't you counteract extreme G-forces with opposite G-forces? For example, could you pull a full second of -1.8 gees by bookending it with powerful positives?
No, this isn't a video game lol. If you make someone experience 10 G of force for a second and then - 10 G of force afterwards for a second that isn't the same as experiencing 0 G or 1 G, it would mess you up
Only if they happen simultaneously. Going from one extreme to the other just means an even _more_ extreme jolt (change in acceleration over time, also called "jerk"), which is just as important as acceleration.
@@angeldude101 Well, yeah. I'm more referring to the strategy of interspersing heavy positives with ejector airtime to bring blood more quickly back to the head, and was wondering if one could produce a singular moment of insane sustained ejector by inverting that trick.
I would love to see a coaster designed for some super species that can withstand massive Gs
Screw laws and customer satisfaction, I've got planet coaster.
Condominium at Hershey Park is the ride with the longest negative 1g ride I've ever been on. I would say about 40% of the ride is air time.
That sounds awesome!
What’s your opinion on the discovery of Maverick’s heartline roll?
I like tha you use many rollercoasters from different countries, like Kärnan or Blue Fire(I am from Germany)
Idk S&S freespins was too uncomfortable and outta control for me, and I LOVE roller coasters ....
Did my masters final project on a lot of this stuff 👌
Hell yeah, sounds awesome :)
Can falcons flight reach that limit then?
I love your channel. I watch them all the time and this taught me stuff
Its the Negative G's that are most terrifying IMO.
They can be super terrifying, especially when they're quick and strong!
If they’re supposed to have a comfortable, enjoyable ride, then why are Vekoma SLCs are a thing 🤔
It is time to become a fighter pilot so I can withstand ridiculously intense coasters
Hell yeah
10:21 didn't age very well considering what happened to Fury
Graying out on a rollercoaster is my favorite!! Lol
Hi Harry do we have something that talks about those moving supports / track and support stress. Hehhe Love YOu!
That would be a great video, thanks for the suggestion. I'll add it to my list ☺️
at least in 1998 and 1999 positive g-force in sweden was limited to 4,5 g
That's really interesting to know!
Is it taken into account that I'm not looking to be 'comfortable' when riding a thrill coaster? I want a raw visceral, scary experience. As long as it's not going to actually kill me, load me with all those snappy Gs baby.
I bet the bottom of Grand National's first double down hits over 6G for a split second, I love it. Night ride, wet rails, good luck spine!
Schwarzkopf pushed the limit at 5Gs. Example Conklin’s former Doppel Looping.
Btw, Tower of terror doesn't pull 6,3 gs anymore, only about 4,5 now
Interesting! Thanks for letting me know :)
@@coasterbot so now the most forceful coaster is Shockwave at SF over Georgia
Cool that it requires test runs before getting ratings just like rollercoaster tycoon 2
Legit ha ha
You need to make the roller coaster tycoon successor please
Ha ha I wish I could!
They should have a physical test, flight suits and training before the roller coaster. 😎
Fighter pilots are wearing special suits designed to aid blood flow in high-G maneuvers in addition to their physical training. I seriously doubt that a fighter pilot could walk away unharmed from a coaster that pulled the same G forces as a fighter jet.
Exactly
For the intimidator, I bet they're working off of old models of the average riders weight. Probably estimating 160-180lbs which is not the case
I think I need therapy because I frowned when I heard intamen reduced intensity of the turn. I want to experience greying out. Redding out maybe not but grey or black I'm fine with.
100% thoosie
Now that I’ve learned I am limiting roller coaster design, I’d like to apologize to coaster enthusiasts everywhere.
How could you do this to us!? :(
@@coasterbot So sorry. I guess I’m just bad that way.
At this point, VEEkoma should just change their name to FVDkoma SuperVinlin
Wheyo
@@coasterbot? 🤔
"Your body can only tolerate so much before it becomes uncomfortable"... [shows Intamin ZacSpin]
Am I right or am I right?
Having ridden the Magic Mountain one I'm certainly not going to defend it... it was great timing, gave me a laugh when I watched the video!
Everyone, feel ashamed.
Darn right
Ah yes, watching this instead of sleeping
hell yeah
I miss arrow. Give me jank.🤣
Sometimes I just watch for the rollercoaster footage and not the info tbh😅
Fair enough! Ha ha 😂
10:21 that aged like milk
Dammit, I guess I gotta become a cyberman to remove human limits for rollercoaster design
True
What if 1 g force takes 80 years to become too much
This makes me wonder, do fighter jet pilots still enjoy roller coasters?
I would imagine so? Great question though
i want to ride a roller coaster that has 12Gs of lateral force.
Does anyone else want just one 7G roller coaster?
Ha ha perhaps just you then!
I most certainly am NOT the reason because I will ride anything. Now the laws of physics may result in our deaths but that is NOT my fault.
A ride at my home park is called G Lock, not very attractive 🤣
Ooof
This is the very reason why humans shouldn’t exist to expand the roller coaster business
hell yeah
I'm sorry, everyone.
You've let us all down 😔
Sorry about that
I am in space no im not expieriencing gravity.
Sounds pretty awesome to me 😍
kewl
Sorry