Summary of the first half of the set: Leo: "You see, when Joker gets Arsene he can easily kill a character as light as Pikachu." Shinymark: "WHAT ARSENE!?" 24:28
Damn shinymark making pikachu look like the best character in the game, still makes me a little sad to see leo get outplayed, the movement from both players was insane though
I still think Pikachu is hella broken. I have always thought this for years, regardless of meta. Quick Attack and his pancake effect are not balanced at all, coupled with his framedata and all ariels killing
I wouldn’t say outplayed. Leo played amazing but Pikachu is potentially the best character in the game. Only issue is Shinymark doesn’t travel much. Shinymark might win the main S Factor this weekend as well. Pikachu is busted as Esam says. It’s just Esam isn’t THAT level of good to show it. Mark is though.
@kevin3132 and not only did he win, he also beat #5, #7, #2, and #3 twice on his road to victory. Pretty impressive run, reminds me of Muteace's run the year prior (rip grand finals)
Ngl Leo was playing GODLIKE taking in count that Pika is on of Jokers worse match ups, and also being patience and agressive at the same time, truly marvelous, I think he can win the real even if he plays this good
That is because Pika is small as shit lol, smaller than Pichu. All of Joker's aerials are jaggedly shaped and angular, nothing hits the ground cleanly, so he misses Pika extremely often. Edit: dair works okay, and as you can see Leo uses it a lot in this mu, but it's f13 and ~-11 block (back hit) or -7 (front hit) when landing, but that's not great vs Pika, even on cross up. It's terrible from a rising sh, easy up smash. His "neutral" aerials, nair and bair, are very rough, however @@jeffersonian4
@@Im0nJupiter I know pika's small. That doesn't normally affect Leo. He's done just fine against esam's pika and dabuz's olimar, to name a couple. Also, have you played against Joker? That character does not struggle to land hits, especially with arsene active. I think Leo was just having an off day. Shiny is good, but Leo can definitely beat him
@@jeffersonian4 it did matter vs Esam, he missed like constantly and then learned to just disengage completely, that's why Esam kept getting away with mashing bair and eventually won due to slanted risk/reward. I've played against a lot of Joker AND Pika and played as both a lot too. The match up is messed up, it's very awkward for Joker and he does struggle for hits without arsene. I feel extremely carried as Pika in the mu, it's free as fuck, and great Joker players flail in the match up trying to land anything. Mark played great, of course, and I don't think this was an off day for Leo. This is how the mu goes: You swing at nothing for a chance to hit, or you repeatedly disengage. He decided not to lose the same way as he lost to Esam, and to challenge the air. It was a choice, and Leo played great and lost. Pika's just small and you need to choose how to deal with that. Edit: I think my original comment got incinerated by the filters
First set was good, but the second set was great. From Leo opening it with the through-stage punish, to Mark showing off Pika bair busted, to Leo getting a kill with Foresight (not off Foresight, with it), to Mark just locking Leo down offstage. Excellent stuff from both players
Dear lord so much toxicity and hate in the comments People hate MKLeo because he's notorious, Pikachu because they lost to pikachu or something, and each other for having different views Once again, as always, I implore - can we just watch the damn video game please
People give Steves crap for spamming minecart out of hit stun "because it is strong" (and rightfully so), but we dont talk enough about pikachu's spamming quick attack. It will get punished twice in a row, and they will STILL press it every 3 seconds because its so strong.
@@roberthamelin5637its really not a bad take, its just that considering that this comment has the added context of being on a video where shinymark beats leo, it sounds like someone bitching about their fav player losing
@@firewall5189 bro quick attack has loads of end lag and even when effective is attached to a very light character who explodes when getting punished. Movement options on small hit box and hurtbox characters is more then fair. Also pikachu has the worst ledge hang in the game and is the easiest to 2 frame so again there's reasons...
@@roberthamelin5637 look man i dont give nearly enough of a shit to get into a frame data argument with you but ill just mention that i really dont see this as that unreasonable of a complaint lol
It's the only aerial Joker has that really works vs Pika. Bair is like 45 degree fan behind Joker, you can envision it like a straight line from his leg to his dagger and towards his body, that misses the small hurtbox of Pika and whiffs unless your timing is perfect (but perfect timing is also VERY predictable and easy to parry). Nair is similar, it has to be the part of the circle that can actually clip pika, at a 45 degree angle below Joker. So dair it is, unfortunately, and when you go for your only timing mix up (which is very minus and comes out very slow relative to other aerials), you miss a lot and get punished.
The cognitive dissonance of watching pikachu get away with everything for free while being told pikachu isn't top teir is crazy. I feel like I'm getting gas lit by the community sometimes
Im convinced every pikachu hater is also a person that couldn't even win one set with that character. Impressive stuff shinymark and shoutout to the pioneer ESAM.
The only critique I have of ShinyMark is that he doesn't commit and his neutral isn't the best. There were a lot of instances where Mark could have ended a stock but you can see the clock. He likes to wear down the time because it wears down the player. But that is good for Leo because it gives him time to adjust to his movements. Like when Mark quick attacked to stage then ledge. He was trying to camp Leo, because camping is Marks best game plan against Leo.
There are a lot of good mid level pikachus and one real top pika rep. It feels extremely validating for the midlevel people who keep getting told pikachu isn't top 10 by people who don't see pika too often
Literal los leolovers son re desagradables dicen que pikachu tiene auto combos y todas esas mierdas como si la aegis de bolsillo no hiciera eso y con mucho mas abuso y joker con arsen tampoco es muy legal que digamos
is it just me or has the meta of ultimate really shifted to slower game play. I think back to mkleo vs tweek and it was just a considerably more engaging fight
when your the 4th lightest in the game suprisingly you need to play like it sometimes🤷♂️ plus thats not even the case if you were watching fr, he used his quick attack to utilize its hitbox and get combos off of it every match and constantly went off stage to contest leo, this was exhilarating to watch.
Leo would rather use back air instead of moves like up air wen he’s broad daylight above u…kinda annoying to c him miss kills if he would stop d riding back air😆 love Leo tho
Shinymark could edgegaurd Leo the whole set, but Leo could not edgeguard Shinymark. You could see each time Shinymark escaped a combo he drifted offstage because there was no challenge to it. Leo’s got to learn how to edgegaurd pika somehow, so it’s not so one-sided next time
you don’t edge guard pikachu, 9/10 of the time you lose the interaction because pikachu’s recovery is so significantly better than the rest of the cast that he can just go further out
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Mark plays Pikachu at the level that esam places Pika in a tierlist
that goes hard
Where is Esam like I haven't seen him in a tourney for a while now 💀
@@epistarter1136he’s washed now
@@PatrickNguyen-z3rnah, he’s just a content creator. He still can win majors.
What you on about? Lol@@aruuraa
Spoiler Shield 🛡️
I really appreciate these🤣🤣 i like to experience the match as it happens
Thx once again. I noticed you've been doing spoiler shields for a while haha
Yoo
GOATED
🙏🏿
22:17 was crazy
Never seen Pikachu punished for doing that
@@Eroil should check out the fatality vs esam set but Leo's punish was so good
@@epistarter1136 what event?
@@Eroil ceo
One of the greatest plays I’ve seen
“Esam stopped competing so pikachu must not be top 5 anymore” 🤡
Summary of the first half of the set:
Leo: "You see, when Joker gets Arsene he can easily kill a character as light as Pikachu."
Shinymark: "WHAT ARSENE!?"
24:28
Damn shinymark making pikachu look like the best character in the game, still makes me a little sad to see leo get outplayed, the movement from both players was insane though
I mean 1-2 Years ago it was Considered the best character in the game. Pikachu is still busted
@@dbzsongoku1it’s been at the very least 4 years now
I still think Pikachu is hella broken. I have always thought this for years, regardless of meta. Quick Attack and his pancake effect are not balanced at all, coupled with his framedata and all ariels killing
I wouldn’t say outplayed. Leo played amazing but Pikachu is potentially the best character in the game. Only issue is Shinymark doesn’t travel much.
Shinymark might win the main S Factor this weekend as well.
Pikachu is busted as Esam says. It’s just Esam isn’t THAT level of good to show it. Mark is though.
I feel that everyone studies Leo’s gameplay, so it’s very easy for him to get outplayed because everyone knows his play style
Male announcer is sounding like the moist critikal meme when he woos lol
Lmao ikr
He is hype. And you made me ROFL I can already see him with his arms out 😂
22:17 that was perfection
Bro the thumbnail makes it look like this is the major's grands I had a heart attack
This comment is how I find out it's not 😂
Is that not what this is? I don't see anything that indicates it's anything else
@@GuitarMan5100 pretty sure they're talking about how the title is pre S Factor 11 so the qualifying event not the S Factor 11 itself
It clearly says pre in the title
@@Rhougue This commenter clearly said "thumbnail" in their comment.
How zomba got sponsored before this guy is beyond me
Does mark have a genesis win ?
Zomba won biggest smash tournament of the year, pretty straightforward
@@himmyneutron3560kagaribi 12 was actually bigger but genesis x is behind and still a massive W
@kevin3132 and not only did he win, he also beat #5, #7, #2, and #3 twice on his road to victory. Pretty impressive run, reminds me of Muteace's run the year prior (rip grand finals)
Stupid ass comment for reals.
I’m a Leo fan, but Shinymark was getting me hyped
Hype for what??? Shiny mark hiding off stage the whole damn game cheessing his way to victory don't count.
I was desperately looking for asimo until i realised this was pre s factor bruh
27:11 wtf
I glad you saw that too lmao. got to be a glitch
i guess he hold down too long
@@maxlee5004 the game usually doesn't allow pikachu to hold up b that long. So the glitch mistimed his input and he died
he was slowed down by the dodge
@@narthmemes5684Foresight isn't a glitch
Mark was on FIRE this tournament. I have never seen a Pikachu play better
It's always a pleasure to see Pikachu perform well. Great work to ShinyMark!
Por fin un comentario positivo que reconoce la habilidad de shiny
ShinyMark is hype. If he hasn't already, he's going to prove Esam right about Pikachu in this game. Busted. 👴
"Nuestro querido Leo" y "La rata". Se nota un poco el bias, pero Shinygod ftw.
Why does Pikachu have zero end lag on every single one of his moves?
Because the damage from each hit doesn't do that much. It's when it's combo together, that is what makes the damage happen
Duolingo has helped me immensely. I can understand a couple of things
Ngl Leo was playing GODLIKE taking in count that Pika is on of Jokers worse match ups, and also being patience and agressive at the same time, truly marvelous, I think he can win the real even if he plays this good
Really? I thought he was off his normal self--kept missing a lot of aerials he usually hits
That is because Pika is small as shit lol, smaller than Pichu. All of Joker's aerials are jaggedly shaped and angular, nothing hits the ground cleanly, so he misses Pika extremely often.
Edit: dair works okay, and as you can see Leo uses it a lot in this mu, but it's f13 and ~-11 block (back hit) or -7 (front hit) when landing, but that's not great vs Pika, even on cross up. It's terrible from a rising sh, easy up smash. His "neutral" aerials, nair and bair, are very rough, however
@@jeffersonian4
@@Im0nJupiter I know pika's small. That doesn't normally affect Leo. He's done just fine against esam's pika and dabuz's olimar, to name a couple. Also, have you played against Joker? That character does not struggle to land hits, especially with arsene active.
I think Leo was just having an off day. Shiny is good, but Leo can definitely beat him
@@jeffersonian4 it did matter vs Esam, he missed like constantly and then learned to just disengage completely, that's why Esam kept getting away with mashing bair and eventually won due to slanted risk/reward. I've played against a lot of Joker AND Pika and played as both a lot too. The match up is messed up, it's very awkward for Joker and he does struggle for hits without arsene. I feel extremely carried as Pika in the mu, it's free as fuck, and great Joker players flail in the match up trying to land anything. Mark played great, of course, and I don't think this was an off day for Leo.
This is how the mu goes: You swing at nothing for a chance to hit, or you repeatedly disengage. He decided not to lose the same way as he lost to Esam, and to challenge the air. It was a choice, and Leo played great and lost. Pika's just small and you need to choose how to deal with that.
Edit: I think my original comment got incinerated by the filters
Literally anything happens:
Commentator: WoOoHoOo
First set was good, but the second set was great. From Leo opening it with the through-stage punish, to Mark showing off Pika bair busted, to Leo getting a kill with Foresight (not off Foresight, with it), to Mark just locking Leo down offstage. Excellent stuff from both players
It’s good to have a dangerous Pikachu in the mix that keeps the Sonics, Steve’s, and Game & Watches honest
Eso Guatemala te queremos Shinymark🎉
Awesome set. Shinymark has gotten absolutely insane
Daym I really like Leo but Shinymark is an absolute beast. :O What a set!
Dear lord so much toxicity and hate in the comments
People hate MKLeo because he's notorious, Pikachu because they lost to pikachu or something, and each other for having different views
Once again, as always, I implore - can we just watch the damn video game please
If this is toxic, stay way the hell away from any set with steve lmao
Can this be the Grand Finals for the real event pls?!?!?
no bruh pikachu is lame asf shiny just camps and gets autocombos with the character
@@GUT5Sleo: aegis and joker XD
@@GUT5S aegis aint lame in your opinion ? Paid dlc losing against regular characters😂
@@GUT5S I see, autocombos - in that case since anyone can do it, please also upload your 6-2 victory over MKLeo at your convenience, thanks
@@GUT5Sthe dude that'd rather have steve and gnw in grands lmaoooo
LETSSSGOOOOOOO SHINYMARK!!!!!! I’m a pika main since I was 5 when I first played smash 64. Didn’t even know what pokemon was yet then either.
People give Steves crap for spamming minecart out of hit stun "because it is strong" (and rightfully so), but we dont talk enough about pikachu's spamming quick attack. It will get punished twice in a row, and they will STILL press it every 3 seconds because its so strong.
Bro.... seriously... laughable take.
@@roberthamelin5637its really not a bad take, its just that considering that this comment has the added context of being on a video where shinymark beats leo, it sounds like someone bitching about their fav player losing
@@firewall5189 bro quick attack has loads of end lag and even when effective is attached to a very light character who explodes when getting punished. Movement options on small hit box and hurtbox characters is more then fair. Also pikachu has the worst ledge hang in the game and is the easiest to 2 frame so again there's reasons...
@@firewall5189 also Minecraft can just straight up kill your opponent like wtf are we comparing here !?!
@@roberthamelin5637 look man i dont give nearly enough of a shit to get into a frame data argument with you but ill just mention that i really dont see this as that unreasonable of a complaint lol
22:10 that counter was godlike
Lets fucking go, excellent Grand Finals
これはピカチュウじゃないライチュウだ
Best set I have watched in a while!
Que buenos jugadores, pero Dios mío que buenos comentadores
Muchas felicidades shinymark
MkL couldn't find a proper counter character for Pikachu...
The casters btw did amazing... really good commenting!
Pikachu is basically a DLC character
Pika broken as hell. Love to see pikachus making strong showings because it feels so validating.
Leo so hungry for those down airs. It's got a success rate of like 1 out of 8 tries too.
It's the only aerial Joker has that really works vs Pika. Bair is like 45 degree fan behind Joker, you can envision it like a straight line from his leg to his dagger and towards his body, that misses the small hurtbox of Pika and whiffs unless your timing is perfect (but perfect timing is also VERY predictable and easy to parry). Nair is similar, it has to be the part of the circle that can actually clip pika, at a 45 degree angle below Joker. So dair it is, unfortunately, and when you go for your only timing mix up (which is very minus and comes out very slow relative to other aerials), you miss a lot and get punished.
Watching shinymark was such a huge thrill. Great work.
NGL I'm happy to see even top tier players struggle with Pika's speed and juggles 😆
Leo’s aegis is so good.
Great sets. Great commentary. This was a pleasure to watch ❤
Pikachu can really do whatever huh just skip getting ledgetrapped and hit
Broken af...did you see the way he just spammed up b even on stage lol
Spam nair out of disadvantage, up b from ledge 3 times until it lands, profit. Everything about this pika is auto pilot.🥱
cry more
The cognitive dissonance of watching pikachu get away with everything for free while being told pikachu isn't top teir is crazy. I feel like I'm getting gas lit by the community sometimes
The non DLC DLC character
Shinymark finally has the spotlight he deserves ⭐️
what was the prize pool for this?
$2K
Conocí a Shinymark desde que era un crío jugando con Ryu en sm4sh y me da gusto verlo hasta este punto 😎 vamos para delante
That was a crazy match up.
Where did they get that Guatemalan from?
シャイニーマークまじで世界取れそう、けどミーヤゲッチ相手は相性的にも勝つのはかなり辛そう
Woo!
É tão lindo ver um Joker ser totalmente destruído por um Pikachu.
8:24 wait wtf.
Joker becomes fully intangible when Arsène comes out, Shinymark forgot about that special animation
Such an unhonest kill wtf
Im convinced every pikachu hater is also a person that couldn't even win one set with that character. Impressive stuff shinymark and shoutout to the pioneer ESAM.
Impecable Shinymark, parecía que no cometía errores y tener a Leo dominado no cualquiera
What is pre smash factor?
Shinymark's ledge play is insane.
spanish commentary is so cool
Aunque estuvo bueno el B spam en la última stock del min 37:00 fue una gran pelea
Leo got opened the fuck up game one. Good shit Mark
que gameplay más chingon e intenso espero que shinymark suba en el top se lo merece mucho
The only critique I have of ShinyMark is that he doesn't commit and his neutral isn't the best. There were a lot of instances where Mark could have ended a stock but you can see the clock. He likes to wear down the time because it wears down the player. But that is good for Leo because it gives him time to adjust to his movements. Like when Mark quick attacked to stage then ledge. He was trying to camp Leo, because camping is Marks best game plan against Leo.
What a crazy set.
Orgullo Guatemalteco!!! Vamos Mark!
ジョーカーvsピカチュウはジョーカーにとってトップ10に入るぐらい不利なマッチアップだからしゃーない😢
何でleoは敗者側でベレトじゃなくてホムヒカ出したんだろうね
Leo’s entire roster gets destroyed by Pikachu except maybe Corrin
ベレトもピカチュウ相当キツイはず
むずいけど別に不利ではないよ
そもそもジョーカー不利キャラ10体もいないし
@@enemyskill4286pika is one of corrin’s worst 😭
ジョーカーもベレトも不利らしいしまあ···きついやろね
MKLeo struggles against short characters lol. Shinymark so freakn amazing
So many Pikachu haters in the comments lol
Finally someone win against Leo with a character non meta and people dislike that, like wut?
If leo loses, the other player had just luck and is lame. You understand?
Shitty smash community always love downplaying and discrediting players. Typical and nothin new
There are a lot of good mid level pikachus and one real top pika rep. It feels extremely validating for the midlevel people who keep getting told pikachu isn't top 10 by people who don't see pika too often
Shinymark kills Leo.
Commentator: WOOOOOOOOOOOO
no esta en mejor calidad???
Siempre se tarda como 40min en ponerse con mejor calidad
diez minutos
Me muero de risa cada vez que sale éste comento en otro idioma 💀
Imagine 22:39.. ILY leo
Why they change the commentators ?😂
I think the commentator was a little too excited for shineymark
She was an aguas girl, he was a woohoo boy
Let's goooo Shinymark! Orgullo chapín.
Yo solo tengo un comentario: ¡WUUUU!
27:10 why is pikachu staying in the air for so long ???
Mythra’s foresight
@@akbalpadilla7615 thanks
Qué diablos con los gritos del caster :/
2 Set increibles... aunque eso si, fueron baaasstante largos xd
I like Leo a lot as a competitor. I like that he has a dominant legacy.
I do not like Joker or Aegis. Both have way too many grimy robbery options.
Shinymark giving stocks away by just jumping out of the stage was the humblest thing ever, congrats!
Mark is shining. 😮
Leo in grands !! LFG !!🔥🔥🔥
The video stuttering becomes really REALLY bad by the end of the video
Sonic 🙏 pikachu
Ahora odien a pikachu llorones
Cuando gane un mayor quizás
Get gud
Literal los leolovers son re desagradables dicen que pikachu tiene auto combos y todas esas mierdas como si la aegis de bolsillo no hiciera eso y con mucho mas abuso y joker con arsen tampoco es muy legal que digamos
@@Aix-333 exacto
Leo ya retírate
Ya hasta un random le gana , ya no la arma para jugar
Mejor que se dediqué a otra cosa por que nomas da vergüenza
Ese random ganó el pre y el torneo también
is it just me or has the meta of ultimate really shifted to slower game play. I think back to mkleo vs tweek and it was just a considerably more engaging fight
Leo parece mi abuelito!!!
Wish i knew French : /
Shinymark did great but he’s sooo campy and he stalls off stage. Not fun to watch at all.
when your the 4th lightest in the game suprisingly you need to play like it sometimes🤷♂️
plus thats not even the case if you were watching fr, he used his quick attack to utilize its hitbox and get combos off of it every match and constantly went off stage to contest leo, this was exhilarating to watch.
The Pre local GF has more views than the GF of the real tournament, this is hilarious 😂 The real GF was lame af
Leo would rather use back air instead of moves like up air wen he’s broad daylight above u…kinda annoying to c him miss kills if he would stop d riding back air😆 love Leo tho
I have a question, I love melee. I’m a melee player, but does ultimate get way more views?
probably, now of days
Every strange interaction was in Pikachu favor. He always had enough time to either block or dodge. The quick attack spam almost put me to sleep
Humilde el Andrés fornite , tomandose una foto alfondo
pikachu lowkey is better than Steve
Bros pika is so cool to watch
Idk if yall speak Spanish but these casters are FANTASTIC! Incredible calls
Shinymark could edgegaurd Leo the whole set, but Leo could not edgeguard Shinymark.
You could see each time Shinymark escaped a combo he drifted offstage because there was no challenge to it.
Leo’s got to learn how to edgegaurd pika somehow, so it’s not so one-sided next time
Edgeguard pika? 😂
you don’t edge guard pikachu, 9/10 of the time you lose the interaction because pikachu’s recovery is so significantly better than the rest of the cast that he can just go further out
@@ypokes7470 Sparg0 seems to have no issue with it
The crybabies in the comments fuel me lmao
Ver jugar a shinimark es como ver a sonix
Zzzzzz