I have a friend who aa a child was riding a bike fast down a hill and the front wheel cane off the bike , he hit his head so hard that he lost his awareness of who he was for a week. He didn't recognize his mother or anyone. He said it was the loneliest feeling he ever felt. He felt so alone. .
What I Identify with is what I accept as belonging to me. My identity can be fluid and in a changing state, but it is still me, mine. The reality of this doesn't have to be accurate or an acceptable standard as long as I claim it. Identity is learned through the environment encountered and our genetic propensity. Anything unclaimed is not me.
If were were conscious during deep sleep or during anaesthesia, why would there be any interruption of memory or consciousness at all? I talked to my anaesthesiologist, and had a conscious conversation with him unless he injected me with propothol. I never finished my sentence. I was immediately gone. Why did that happen if there were consciousness during anaesthesia? I don't remember all my dreams, but I know that I dream and the during the dream, on some level I am conscious. During deep sleep, I don't ever, I mean, EVER, recall any conscious experience, because it would seem there isn't any. Why would that be if there were consciousness, meaning SELF-consciousness, during sleep? Discuss.
I don't think it's true to claim that the argument that says there is no consciousness (or better, SELF-consciousness) in deep sleep requires "some consciousness of that experience" in order to make that claim. The argument that there is consciousness in deep sleep and that we just do not remember it seems a huge cop-out. The only thing you need to remember after anaesthesia is precisely that there was an interruption of consciousness. As in my anaesthesia analogy, if we were conscious during anaesthesia particularly, and did not lose self-consciousness during it, there would be NO anaesthesia to begin with. The fact of anaesthesia is precisely what allows us not to feel pain, i.e. not being conscious of it at all because we are not aware of ourselves, -the precondition for it. It's a false argument to claim, oh how do you know you weren't conscious during anaesthesia because that would require some consciousness to remember that you weren't conscious. Well, by definition, you are not conscious during anaesthesia, so how, logically, could you have any recollection of that unconscious period. You can't. But that very lack of memory of what happened during the period of anaesthesia, is surely the very proof that there was no self-awareness. Now the ultimate conditions that support the continuation of the principle of consciousness in the body, do I think that disappeared or was destroyed? No, but if we stick to what we mean by consciousness, and what we're really talking about, which is SELF-consciousness, there can surely be no doubt whatsoever, that self-consciousness does not exist either in deepest sleep or in anaesthesia. For what else can consciousness mean, unless it is self-consciousness? How could consciousness, meaning awareness anything/everything, not include self-awareness as an intrinsic part of its definition and still mean anything, or not be inherently contradictory??
I have a friend who aa a child was riding a bike fast down a hill and the front wheel cane off the bike , he hit his head so hard that he lost his awareness of who he was for a week. He didn't recognize his mother or anyone. He said it was the loneliest feeling he ever felt. He felt so alone. .
What I Identify with is what I accept as belonging to me. My identity can be fluid and in a changing state, but it is still me, mine. The reality of this doesn't have to be accurate or an acceptable standard as long as I claim it. Identity is learned through the environment encountered and our genetic propensity. Anything unclaimed is not me.
I don't like living my life and can't make it how I want.
If were were conscious during deep sleep or during anaesthesia, why would there be any interruption of memory or consciousness at all? I talked to my anaesthesiologist, and had a conscious conversation with him unless he injected me with propothol. I never finished my sentence. I was immediately gone. Why did that happen if there were consciousness during anaesthesia? I don't remember all my dreams, but I know that I dream and the during the dream, on some level I am conscious. During deep sleep, I don't ever, I mean, EVER, recall any conscious experience, because it would seem there isn't any. Why would that be if there were consciousness, meaning SELF-consciousness, during sleep? Discuss.
This is hard to live out feeling states
I don't think it's true to claim that the argument that says there is no consciousness (or better, SELF-consciousness) in deep sleep requires "some consciousness of that experience" in order to make that claim. The argument that there is consciousness in deep sleep and that we just do not remember it seems a huge cop-out. The only thing you need to remember after anaesthesia is precisely that there was an interruption of consciousness. As in my anaesthesia analogy, if we were conscious during anaesthesia particularly, and did not lose self-consciousness during it, there would be NO anaesthesia to begin with. The fact of anaesthesia is precisely what allows us not to feel pain, i.e. not being conscious of it at all because we are not aware of ourselves, -the precondition for it. It's a false argument to claim, oh how do you know you weren't conscious during anaesthesia because that would require some consciousness to remember that you weren't conscious. Well, by definition, you are not conscious during anaesthesia, so how, logically, could you have any recollection of that unconscious period. You can't. But that very lack of memory of what happened during the period of anaesthesia, is surely the very proof that there was no self-awareness. Now the ultimate conditions that support the continuation of the principle of consciousness in the body, do I think that disappeared or was destroyed? No, but if we stick to what we mean by consciousness, and what we're really talking about, which is SELF-consciousness, there can surely be no doubt whatsoever, that self-consciousness does not exist either in deepest sleep or in anaesthesia. For what else can consciousness mean, unless it is self-consciousness? How could consciousness, meaning awareness anything/everything, not include self-awareness as an intrinsic part of its definition and still mean anything, or not be inherently contradictory??
I am tortured to be alive