integral of sqrt(1+x^2)/x vs integral of x/sqrt(1+x^2)

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  • Опубликовано: 13 сен 2018
  • NOTE: it's possible to do u sub for the integral of sqrt(1+x^2)/x as well. Thanks to usuario0002hotmail for pointing out.
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  • @h4c_18
    @h4c_18 5 лет назад +87

    I used u=sqrt(1+x^2) -> x=sqrt(u^2-1) on the left side integral, and I got the answer after some division :P

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  5 лет назад +25

      Ah, yes you are right! I shouldn't be lazy to not give u sub a try for the left one. : )

    • @moregirl4585
      @moregirl4585 5 лет назад +7

      =int(u^2/(u^2-1))du ?

    • @h4c_18
      @h4c_18 5 лет назад

      Yeah that's the one, More Girl

    • @skateboarddude8260
      @skateboarddude8260 5 лет назад +1

      @@moregirl4585 wouldn't it be integral(u/sqrt(u^2 -1))du

    • @EarlyMonAF
      @EarlyMonAF 5 лет назад +4

      Instead of division I decided to try _wouldn't it be nice._
      ∫ u²/(u²-1) du
      ∫ (u²-1+1)/(u²-1) du
      ∫ 1 + 1/(u²-1) du
      u - ∫ 1/(1-u²) du
      u - tanh¯¹ (u) + _c_
      Or
      u - ½ln |(u+1)/(1-u)| + _c_
      Or
      u - ½ln |(u+1)/(u-1)| + _c_
      Or
      u + ½ln |(u-1)/(u+1)| + _c_
      (and substitute back from u=√(1+x²), I'm not going to retype everything here ok)
      To my surprise, there are a lot of variations for the second term.

  • @AndDiracisHisProphet
    @AndDiracisHisProphet 5 лет назад +173

    Don't drink and derive!

  • @quahntasy
    @quahntasy 5 лет назад +27

    My favourite math guy on RUclips with his spherical microphone.
    Love it.

  • @NikitaNair
    @NikitaNair 4 года назад +3

    Thank you so much ❤️❤️❤️
    You are my most favourite RUclipsr right now!!!

  • @hacci2892
    @hacci2892 4 года назад

    I really love you YOU SAVED MY LIFE!!!

  • @peterdhaile
    @peterdhaile 4 года назад

    Love your videos, thanks for making them!

  • @abigailmedeltoxtle9548
    @abigailmedeltoxtle9548 2 года назад +7

    You always save me from my calculus homework, thank you so much!

    • @binodtharu8348
      @binodtharu8348 2 года назад

      Hi! Same here
      Btw from which country are u?

  • @morganvoissem1392
    @morganvoissem1392 3 года назад +1

    You have the BEST explanations!! Thank you so much for all of the math help ^_^

  • @kanchanmoon777
    @kanchanmoon777 2 года назад +4

    Thank you so much . Earlier i was doing it with 1+x²= t method . Thanks for teaching me this ❤️❤️

  • @ralfbodemann1542
    @ralfbodemann1542 5 лет назад +5

    Thanks for allowing us to watch an integral battle turn into a three markers battle!
    I don't prefer any world over the other. I enter them when I assume they might help me solve an integral.
    Btw: The theta world also helps for the integral on the right side.

  • @Ani
    @Ani 2 года назад +1

    thank you for this, really well explained :D

  • @sheikhsehar33
    @sheikhsehar33 2 месяца назад

    You've always been my life saver in exams

  • @mcmage5250
    @mcmage5250 5 лет назад +10

    I like U world cause it can also transform into V world and W world and those are my favorites. Theta world will get messy if you take it to another world

  • @robertisemer3978
    @robertisemer3978 2 года назад +1

    Thx for your vids they are awesome

  • @theimmux3034
    @theimmux3034 3 года назад +2

    I've only had an introductory course on integration. We weren't taught any of the common integration techniques like u-sub, integration by parts, partial fractions, trig sub, you name it. We only had integrals like the integral of x/(1-x^2) which we did by the definition of the integral (you'll even see me employ this kind of thinking in this answer). Anyway, my point is that I haven't yet learned any of this trig sub business so I went the algebraic way. Here's how I did the integral on the left:
    ∫ √(1 + x²) / x dx
    U-sub:
    u = √(1 + x²)
    u² = 1 + x²
    x² = u² - 1
    x = √(u² - 1)
    dx = 1 / 2√(u² - 1) * 2udu
    dx = u / √(u² - 1) du
    ∫ √(1 + x²) / x dx
    = ∫ (u / √(u² - 1)) * (u / √(u² - 1)) du
    = ∫ (u / √(u² - 1))² du
    = ∫ u² / (u² - 1) du
    = ∫ (u² - 1 + 1) / (u² - 1) du
    = ∫ (u² - 1) / (u² - 1) + 1 / (u² - 1) du
    = ∫ 1 + 1 / (u² - 1) du
    = u + ∫ 1 / (u² - 1) du
    = u - ∫ 1 / -(u² - 1) du
    = u - ∫ 1 / (1 - u²) du
    = u - ∫ (1 - u + u) / (1 - u²) du
    = u - ∫ (1 - u + u) / ((1 - u)(1 + u)) du
    = u - ∫ (1 - u) / ((1 - u)(1 + u)) + u / ((1 - u)(1 + u)) du
    = u - ∫ 1 / (1 + u) + u / ((1 - u)(1 + u)) du
    = u - ln|1+ u| - ∫ u / ((1 - u)(1 + u)) du
    = u - ln|1+ u| - ∫ u / (1 - u²) du
    We wanna have the nominator be multiplied by -2 -- you'll soon see why. In order not to change the question, let's also multiply the whole integral by -1/2:
    = u - ln|1 + u| - (-1/2) * ∫ -2u / (1 - u²) du
    Now you see, the nominator is the derivative of the denominator inside the integral. Recall that d/dx ln(f(x)) = f'(x) / f(x).
    = u - ln|1 + u| - (-1/2) * ln|1 - u²| + C
    = u - ln|1 + u| + 1/2 * ln|1 - u²| + C
    Let's convert the answer back into terms of x:
    = √(1 + x²) - ln|1 + √(1 + x²)| + 1/2 * ln|1 - (1 + x²)| + C
    The function inside the first natural logarithm is always positive so we may remove the absolute value signs from there:
    = √(1 + x²) - ln(1 + √(1 + x²)) + 1/2 * ln|1 - 1 - x²| + C
    = √(1 + x²) - ln(1 + √(1 + x²)) + 1/2 * ln|-x²| + C
    = √(1 + x²) - ln(1 + √(1 + x²)) + 1/2 * ln(x²) + C
    Minding that √(x²) = |x|, let's simplify the second natural logarithm:
    = √(1 + x²) - ln(1 + √(1 + x²)) + ln|x| + C
    = √(1 + x²) + ln|x| - ln(1 + √(1 + x²)) + C
    = √(1 + x²) + ln(|x| / (1 + √(1 + x²))) + C
    This is essentially the same function that bprp answers with, you may check yourself.

  • @fountainovaphilosopher8112
    @fountainovaphilosopher8112 5 лет назад

    Thank you, bprp, very cool!

  • @idavid8128
    @idavid8128 5 лет назад +1

    It's 2 in the morning here on Brazil, worth it!

  • @davidcruz1469
    @davidcruz1469 Год назад

    i was fighting for my life over the problem on the left. gracias carnal que te llegue todos los bendiciones del mundo

  • @TurdFerguson43
    @TurdFerguson43 5 лет назад

    I did calc 1 and 2 in high school and the more I watch your videos, I’m more and more sure that I’m actually an idiot. There’s no way in hell that I’d come up with anything close to the ways you integrate functions.

  • @ctrlaltcreate3827
    @ctrlaltcreate3827 4 года назад

    The theta world is becoming my favorite! It’s satisfying to see the problem come full circle

  • @g00zik97
    @g00zik97 5 лет назад

    on todays maths test our teacher gave us the function y=ln(x) and we had to calculate its length over some interval, that example was too powerful for me.

  • @UKPEINDANIELU.
    @UKPEINDANIELU. Месяц назад

    Fantastic explanation

  • @Ironmonk036
    @Ironmonk036 5 лет назад

    8:50 Oh hell no! Mind totally blown. I had to watch that part at least 5 times.

  • @user-kn1zm9vh2y
    @user-kn1zm9vh2y 3 года назад

    thanks man this really helps

  • @24Eric
    @24Eric 5 лет назад

    love you💕 from Cambodia!

  • @odinfeidje-baug8938
    @odinfeidje-baug8938 5 лет назад +16

    I like the U-world best. The best part of this video is that the pen fell on the floor twice.

  • @lollmao2791
    @lollmao2791 4 года назад

    Thank you so much

  • @reeeeeplease1178
    @reeeeeplease1178 5 лет назад +1

    So if you compare the answers, shouldnt you be able to get the ln|...| value to zero somehow? If it was a constant term then it would disappear into the c but it has x so...?

  • @MrRyanroberson1
    @MrRyanroberson1 5 лет назад

    For the left one:
    Let u = x^2 +1, du is 2xdx.
    We get .5 integral(sqrt(u)/(u-1))du
    And then some trig can be introduced

    • @MG-hi9sh
      @MG-hi9sh 5 лет назад

      No, that would get very messy, and might not even work.

  • @BluePi3142
    @BluePi3142 5 лет назад +2

    The theta world generally becomes more triggy than the u.
    #YAY

  • @gauranshjuneja8855
    @gauranshjuneja8855 5 лет назад +1

    For the first integral i put √1+x²=t² and boom . But its a simple pattern you can observe that if the derivative of denominator is coming in numerator the answer is denominator itself

  • @jayrinahomytellezperez6750
    @jayrinahomytellezperez6750 2 года назад

    Bien explicado, gracias!

  • @user-mt9ux2di6u
    @user-mt9ux2di6u 3 года назад

    I was actually able to do this, yay!

  • @feliperodrigues6736
    @feliperodrigues6736 3 года назад

    great videos!!!

  • @tofu8676
    @tofu8676 5 лет назад

    lol i thought you meant the left one was the easy one so i started with left and had to derive sqrt(1+x^2) at one point and got the answer for the right one by accident :D

  • @TheHuesSciTech
    @TheHuesSciTech 5 лет назад

    Wolfram Alpha gives the same answer for the left integral, but without the absolute value bit. Which is more correct?

  • @JohnSmith-iu3fc
    @JohnSmith-iu3fc 5 лет назад

    I always thank you for your good lectures. But, integral of cosec x has wrong p/n sings. In other videos, you have s right solution.
    You'd better use integration by parts in integral of squrt (1+x^2)/ x dx

  • @laxmisammangi
    @laxmisammangi 2 года назад

    What a explaination sir ,jai bharath.

  • @ericksandoval3077
    @ericksandoval3077 3 года назад

    thank u guy

  • @marcushendriksen8415
    @marcushendriksen8415 5 лет назад

    I like the theta world, because trig substitutions are so intuitive and flexible; everything makes perfect sense there. Don't get me wrong, the u world is good too, but much less intuitive (from my pov)

  • @shashankatak778
    @shashankatak778 3 года назад

    Best any easiest method.. I tried 3 to 4 other methods but this' great!

  • @chandansharma4541
    @chandansharma4541 6 месяцев назад

    Thanks 😮

  • @moskthinks9801
    @moskthinks9801 5 лет назад +3

    I used integration by inverse for the left one. I got the inverse function 1/sqrt(x^2-1), whose integral was arcosh(x). I get
    sqrt(1+x^2)-arcosh(sqrt(1+x^2)/|x|)+c

  • @vaishalijoshi420
    @vaishalijoshi420 3 года назад

    Nicely explained 🙏

  • @taranmellacheruvu2504
    @taranmellacheruvu2504 2 года назад

    5:27 I multiplied the top and bottom by tanθ and then set u = secθ.
    du = secθtanθdθ
    There’s already secθtanθdθ in the numerator of the fraction so I subbed in du for that.
    I was left with:
    Int u^2 / (u^2 - 1) du
    Int (u^2 - 1 + 1) / (u^2 - 1) du
    Int 1 + (1 / (u^2 - 1)) du
    Then, I did partial fraction decomposition.
    It was quite messy from there.

  • @btsworld4407
    @btsworld4407 3 года назад +1

    Thnku sir 😊

  • @abdurrahimberisha4821
    @abdurrahimberisha4821 5 лет назад +1

    you can solve it without trigonometric functions by multiplying with x/x you can find a very nice and fast soltioun

  • @user-pz2vq7xu5w
    @user-pz2vq7xu5w 7 месяцев назад

    Thanks

  • @srpenguinbr
    @srpenguinbr 5 лет назад

    For the first one, use u=sqrt(1+x^2)

  • @omarifady
    @omarifady 5 лет назад +2

    Actually you CAN solve this without trig sub! I wondered why you did it with the trig sub , you can let u=sqrt(1+x^2) and everything will go well!

  • @golammartuzahossain6748
    @golammartuzahossain6748 5 лет назад +6

    Well the integral on the right side could've been done in a more easier way by making the substitution u=sqrt(1+x^2)

  • @Aruthicon
    @Aruthicon 5 лет назад

    I prefer to memorize the integral of csc t as log tan(t/2) + C.

  • @NonTwinBrothers
    @NonTwinBrothers 3 года назад

    4:51 I did integration by parts and it somehow worked, lol
    I differentiated cscθ and integrated sec²θ
    In there was a cotθ*tanθ, which nicely canceled out into a 1

  • @lyranii6910
    @lyranii6910 3 года назад

    Thank you for explaining. 🤓

  • @aoughlissouhil8877
    @aoughlissouhil8877 2 года назад

    You can also use hyperbolic Sub

  • @ahmadmadkhanah7649
    @ahmadmadkhanah7649 5 лет назад

    To be fair u could get rid of the (1/x) that is inside the Ln
    But still awesome
    Thanks for helping me out in calculus 2

  • @sudiptaranikora4742
    @sudiptaranikora4742 3 года назад

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  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 5 лет назад

    In fact both integrals can be calculated using the same u-sub
    u^2=1+x^2
    1:14 Maybe x is in a wrong place but we can multiply top and bottom by x
    If you look at the result then second Euler substitutiion will look good
    Second Euler substitutiion is hidden in log function
    We could let u be equal the argument of log

  • @punyasingha2855
    @punyasingha2855 4 года назад

    Can you do a video on the integration x-1/√x^2-x

  • @aryangoyar9170
    @aryangoyar9170 4 года назад

    We should do by partial integration also

  • @rupamsingh9787
    @rupamsingh9787 2 года назад

    Superb buddy

  • @antoniocampos9721
    @antoniocampos9721 2 года назад

    Thanks man....I tried item a) so hard and didn't find the right answer.

  • @sarthakmathur5013
    @sarthakmathur5013 4 года назад

    5:10 sec/tan=cosec. So I used D-I method on cosec * sec^2.

  • @felixpattinson
    @felixpattinson 5 лет назад

    Absolute value of ln is not necessary as the hypotenuse is longer than any other side.

  • @paulpablozaire9826
    @paulpablozaire9826 3 года назад

    Why do we stil have the sec yet we had replaced it with 1/cos which I has been crossed....?

  • @modaralnajjar7664
    @modaralnajjar7664 5 лет назад

    That's amezing isin't it

  • @msom352
    @msom352 17 дней назад +1

    Final exam is tomorrow.... I m still struggling with trig identities 😢😢

  • @uzdefrederic1055
    @uzdefrederic1055 Год назад

    4'16'': I was wondering: why not considering absolute value of sec theta ?

  • @asimmitra7255
    @asimmitra7255 Год назад

    You are great

  • @krishchaudhary5164
    @krishchaudhary5164 2 года назад

    Thnks

  • @tajpa100
    @tajpa100 5 лет назад

    why can I consider ((secx) ^ 2) ^ (1/2) is sec (x) and not Abs [sec (x)]?

  • @MyDavidrock
    @MyDavidrock 3 года назад +1

    sorry, sir. why is the answer of integral csc x = ln (cscx-cotx) instead of -ln(cscx+cotx) like in your other video?

  • @MrSkaterview
    @MrSkaterview 3 года назад

    eu te amo

  • @dwighthebert4052
    @dwighthebert4052 5 лет назад

    Does the video brightness vary for everybody or just me. It’s very distracting.

  • @OtherTheDave
    @OtherTheDave 5 лет назад

    My initial reaction is that the one on the left would be harder since there was a possibility of dividing by zero there, but the right equation’s denominator couldn’t be less than 1. Is there any validity to that line of reasoning, or did I just get lucky?

    • @jackdaly2155
      @jackdaly2155 5 лет назад +1

      Lucky, since with these integrals we can't use direct substitution in order to answer them, so you wouldn't be able to just plug in a 0 and have that issue. Good question though!

    • @OtherTheDave
      @OtherTheDave 5 лет назад

      Jack Daly Thanks. Kinda thought so, just because I don’t recall the profs saying anything about that in math class.

  • @rchishray7814
    @rchishray7814 5 лет назад

    Post another unedited video with no cuts

  • @Arturo.g17
    @Arturo.g17 3 месяца назад

    No se ingles y tuve que usar el traductor para poder enterder el video😢.
    Muy buen video 👍

  • @thomasblackwell9507
    @thomasblackwell9507 3 года назад

    As long as u (you) are in the theta world; Iike them both.

  • @davedonnie6425
    @davedonnie6425 4 года назад

    hey correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure sqrt(1+x^2)/x - 1/x is always positive so i dont think you need the absolute value

  • @timelinebeast
    @timelinebeast 3 года назад

    U world forever

  • @vladislav_artyukhov
    @vladislav_artyukhov 5 лет назад

    Entertainment content :3

  • @fuentesjuan6008
    @fuentesjuan6008 2 года назад

    buenaaaa :D

  • @jmccullough975
    @jmccullough975 3 года назад

    Why can’t we do a U-Sub on the left?

  • @alfonshomac
    @alfonshomac 4 года назад

    yooooo I had so much momentum going with the trig sub that I didn't even think of doing u-sub on the integral on the right hahah.
    hahah hey, I got it right tho.

  • @matrixstuff3512
    @matrixstuff3512 4 года назад

    Left would be really easy with a hyperbolic trig sub

  • @purnimamondal8525
    @purnimamondal8525 3 года назад

    Op

  • @tuaherman6302
    @tuaherman6302 5 лет назад +1

    Math exam in 2 weeks and the first equation just made me confused
    LoL RiP

  • @lacenabo6950
    @lacenabo6950 4 года назад

    Nice nice

  • @juanortegon193
    @juanortegon193 2 года назад +1

    Excellent professor. Easy to understand.

  • @abay669
    @abay669 Год назад

    how do we know the integral of csc theta? remember or caculate? tnx

  • @MVEC_MuthuKumar
    @MVEC_MuthuKumar 5 лет назад

    Sir can pls solve lim x → 0 sin2x^(tan2x) ^2

  • @albertozuanon3874
    @albertozuanon3874 4 года назад

    For the second integral (the one with sqrt on numerator) could I substitute x=sinh(x) so that I would use cosh²-sinh²=1 ??

    • @Aditi001
      @Aditi001 3 года назад

      Cos²x+sin²x=1 your identity is wrong

    • @jeremiasbezerra5329
      @jeremiasbezerra5329 3 года назад +3

      @@Aditi001 is hyperbolic functions. The identity is no wrong

    • @Vibranium375
      @Vibranium375 3 года назад +1

      @@Aditi001 Lol learn urself before criticising others

    • @Aditi001
      @Aditi001 2 года назад

      @@Vibranium375 sorry for being dumb and not knowing 🙂

  • @MaTrIXBaws
    @MaTrIXBaws 5 лет назад

    Don't worry BPRP, you'll be able to hold 3 markers in no time. Practice!

  • @Sid-ix5qr
    @Sid-ix5qr 5 лет назад +3

    0:00 "I swear, only one drink."
    Effects at 3:41 and 6:42.

  • @jakobpshimweefeleni64
    @jakobpshimweefeleni64 4 года назад +1

    Jhu used a bluePen

  • @emmanuelrwizi331
    @emmanuelrwizi331 5 лет назад

    cool

  • @GOLDman4856
    @GOLDman4856 5 лет назад

    Antiderivative of cscx is -ln|cscx + cotx|

  • @marceloescalantemarrugo6391
    @marceloescalantemarrugo6391 5 лет назад +4

    The integral of csc(x) is not -ln|csc(x) + cot(x)|?
    I think it is a mistake on the video.

    • @anishmathew7593
      @anishmathew7593 4 года назад

      Ingl cosecx is log[cosecx-cotx], correct

    • @alvindrajaya3878
      @alvindrajaya3878 4 года назад

      @@anishmathew7593 no,, that is not correct. You can differentiate it to proof it

    • @anishmathew7593
      @anishmathew7593 4 года назад

      @@alvindrajaya3878 yes, it is log(cosecx-cotx) . You simply differentiate this by chain rule you wl get it as *cosecx*

    • @anishmathew7593
      @anishmathew7593 4 года назад

      @@alvindrajaya3878
      [1/(cosex-cotx)] × (-cosecx. cotx+ cose^2x)
      ie, cosecx( -cotx+cosecx)/(cosecx-cotx)
      ie, *cosecx*

    • @dolife2659
      @dolife2659 4 года назад

      @@anishmathew7593 both work, -ln|csc(x)+cot(x)| is also correct

  • @wahyuadi35
    @wahyuadi35 5 лет назад

    Using the u-substitution and tada.. Finish.. Done before the explanation.

  • @tanakaatanaka
    @tanakaatanaka 3 года назад

    wow