I do not agree woth the front double or side chest going to Derek at all. Dereks lats are shot up, his arms are weaker than Hadi's, his legs are more symmetrical but still way weaker than Hadi's. In the side chest something you even mentioned the waist has to be in tight and Derek's isnt. His chest, shoulder and arms are all improved but still way weaker than Hadi's. Then I have Hadi in a close second on the rear lat spread, side tricep and the only pose he really looses a lot in is the back double. But Hadi destroys Derek in the most muscular and ab and thigh...
Question: What if you'd given the side chest to Hadi instead of Derek? How would you break a 4-4 tie? I could see the side chest going to either competitor. This is a great breakdown. I hope that the fans who believe Hadi was robbed can see this and take some comfort. Hadi was absolutely amazing, but I think that this was Derek's year. Great job and thanks for this video!
So, Derek won because he improved from last year not because he looked the winner the day of the show? Congratulations to Derek, but I really appreciate Hadi’s conditioning and him being balanced from top to bottom.
He was explaining the improvements Derek made to justify why he was second last year and this year he won, but he also explained why Derek won based on the physique he presented that night.
@@8SxMURxI8 nope the back lat spread and both side poses. Hadi fans are so lame, he lost the year before this year he was slightly better and won fair and square
By this logic, the most improved from one mr. Olympia to another will be crowned champion. He said it multiple times. Hadi won all front poses and even side ones hands down (Derek's stomach was extending a little bit, Hadis was super tight). He even mentioned that Dereks legs from the front were superior to Hadi's?!@. Derek's super detailed from the back, but let's face it: he's way too washed out from the front. Unless they've changed their judging criteria now: that you should be symmetrical without details. They keep coming up with weird excuses every time there is controversy...maybe they need to announce it in advance so competitors can work on it and stop these controversial decisions..oh wait they can't, they need a window to escape from, when they choose someone who doesn't deserve the win. By the way, I wanted Andrew Jacked to win, that's the physique that my eyes are always drawn to. But in that top 3, Hadi was winning by a landslide. Even BB professionals who were attending had confirmed that. Mr. Olympia is no longer a fair competition.
Have you even watched the video ? He clearly stated that the 2 poses that flipped for him were the side poses due to Derek having 1- better flow in both side poses, 2 - better legs and leg detail in side poses, 3 - better arm and shoulder detail, 4 - better width. These points are the consequence of Derek improving his Arms, Shoulders and detail. While Hadi had better midsection detail and chest which clearly wasn’t enough to win by the subjective criteria of each pose. Him winning those poses was the consequence of him improving in the judging criteria enough to win those poses and make it stronger poses than Hadi’s. He clearly stated that this years Derek had poses that were 5 to 3 stronger than this years Hadi while last years Derek had poses that were 3 to 5 weaker than last years Hadi. Nothing controversial here, he explained everything in enough detail for child to understand
There is no way in h eck Derek one the side chest and side tri. Tyler, c'mon. You're losing credibilty. Plus you didn't cover the relaxed poses, which I think Hadi wins the front and side.
He clearly explained his reasons for picking Derek in those shots. If you disagree, atleast give your reasoning for Hadi or why you disagree with his reasoning, instead of just saying he's not good at his job
When y'all try to explain why Derek should won that's mean he wasn't good enough to being mr O this years, we All know why y'all gave the thropy to Derek 😂😂😂
That's so stupid, there are almost always people saying someone else should have won. This year I guarantee if Hadi had won there would be people saying Derek was robbed
@@MS-gu2ux brother just put your head out from this ego full shit hole of English being supreme 😂 what has English got to do in a bodybuilding competition.
This comment section makes me laugh man… people not understanding that Derek didn’t win because “he made more improvements than Hadi” but he won because in consequence of his improvements he was the better bodybuilder that day on that stage in 5 of the 8 mandatory poses. He gave you simple explanation: Derek clearly won 3 poses, Hadi clearly won 3 poses. Tie breaker were side poses and Derek won because he had 1- better flow from the side, 2 - better legs and leg detail, 3- better Arms and shoulders from the side and detail in those areas, 4 - better width. While Hadi had only 1 - better midsection from the side, 2 - better chest and it was close but not enough end of story
@@AvinashSingh-hm3di basically the silhouette and proportions of a bodybuilder in each pose without taking detail in consideration. Imagine taking both bodybuilders and making black outline around them, the one with nicer outline/muscle bellies has nicer flow. Derek’s rounder arms, more proportional shoulders and better upper to lower body balance makes him flow really nicely from the side.
@@AvinashSingh-hm3di explain your subjective opinion please! Because as I see it, flow is one of Hadi’s worst qualities, he generally doesn’t flow super well and isn’t the most aesthetically pleasing bodybuilder. He has different qualities tho
@@DurinDaemonenmetzler You not agreeing is totally fine! Bodybuilding is subjective sport and always will be, there is definitely objective factors to it, but the main deciding factors are and always will be subjective. So it really doesn’t matter what Yours or mine opinion is. The judges thought Derek was the better guy on that day and that’s it. Tyler explained perfectly well why he thought so I personally don’t agree with your pose breakdown at all. simply because you tend to reward different features and qualities then I do. Do you actually want me to write a pose breakdown or do you not care ? I really don’t want to write essays for no reason
So far this guy has done a good job. I hope he uses his power to move the men's night show pre-judging to earlier in the day and not last in the evening.
He just mention the improvement from Derek, and after that he still compare the physic between them. So I don't think it unfair at all. However I disagree with the judge that Derek shoulder is better than Hadi
I’m a Canadian judge, and I can tell you one thing the judges didn’t take into consideration. The overall hardness and maturity of the muscles. Hadi has Derek beat in all aspects of every pose. Derek looked soft and watery in all front poses compared to Hadi’s granity chiseled look. The outcome of the results is very disappointing
@@NPCNewsOnline If your only argument for someone (with an experienced eye) wasn’t at the show then what do you call this video comparison ? If Tyler can assess and breakdown a physique using low res photos then imagine what HD quality look like. You can definitely make an analysis using high def resolution photos without having to be there therefore the so called “you can’t judge a show if you aren’t there” gets tossed out the window. I had access to high resolution photos and video and determined Hadi was the clear winner that day.
@@RockyMd1 The point is that he actually judged the Olympia, you in turn did not & if you had watched any of his other videos, he stated that you can't judge a contest from photos or videos. He's using the Hi-Resolution photos & the 4K video our team shot just to show examples. He certainly did not judge it or give assessments from it. When he started these video reviews, he stated he would only do it for contests that he actually judged or was the head judge. Now since you claim you had access to these Hi-Res photos & videos, please feel free to give us your explanation as to why you feel the Olympia judging panel was wrong? As you can see, we're not deleting comments here.
@RockyMd1 Amazing how you went silent after the explanation that Tyler Manion actually judged the contest & wasn't basing his review on "low res photos" as you stated. 😆
Doesn’t matter how much Derek improved from last year. It’s how he compared to Hadi. Why all of a sudden a pose by pose comparison and explanation if you believed Derek truly won? Too much controversy and heat? I call BS, Hadi should have won 🥇.
I disagree with the side shots. Hadi’s lower abdomen is much much tighter and thus makes his shape appear much better in these shots (esp. side tri). Imo, overall shape should consider not only the front shots but also the side and back shots. Hadi has superior shape from the side. This is partially why Nick is better than Andrew. Andrew may have better shape from the front but Nick has better shape from the side/back.
Excellent analysis, and wonderful to hear from someone in the IFBB explain with such detail what the judges look for. Probably could use this every year going forward!
I really like and appreciate these analyses by Tyler. I think if Samson was better condition he could have won. I think Brandon's stint in the hospital affected he look and pop this year. I think Andrew & team tried to come in fuller and it spilled over . Thank you for these post show analysis
Say you needed an English spoken winer and next year everyone will speak it. Who cares about how much Dereck has improved from last year.The more you try to justify the more we know you cheated.
Instead of judging by emotion, please detail how you think the Olympia judging panel got it wrong. And he is not trying to "justify" the judging, he's explaining how the process went. He has been doing these videos for several contests this year with the stipulation that either he judged the contest or was the head judge at the contes.
Thanks, Tyler. I hope that this video is referenced specifically in the other bodybuilding channels in the near future when the 2023 Olympia is discussed. Keep up the great work. 👍 💪💯
All Hadi fans who think he got robbed should watch this. As Tyler explains and the footage shows, it was close between Hadi and Derek but calling it a ROBBERY is just delusional.
1. It was not close at all in the back shots. Derek dominated Hadi in those shots just as much as Hadi dominated Derek in the abs and thighs and most muscular. The side shots were close and the front double could have gone either way. 2. The lumps in Derek´s Lat´s weren't obvious at all and his glutes were totally fine. 3. 100% politics?? They gave Hadi the win last year although it was a close battle between him and Derek. After all these decisions in recent years where non native American guys won like Big Ramy and Hadi....how can you still think that "politics" decide the winner?
I really appreciate this video and analysis but also think sad that the judges have to make a video like this because everybody thinks he knows it better than the professional judges. Imagine they had to explain this to all the Ronnie Coleman mr O wins or the Phil health titles… Just accept that Derek looked the best in this moment to the judges. That’s is
Kind of continuing what you wrote. He has been making videos about other competitions this year as well. He just didn't start it at the Olympia. He also explained he would only give breakdowns of contest where he either judged or was head judge.
So it wasn't about hadi vs Derek it was Derek Last year's vs Derek this year.
😂😂😂
we need this but for EVERY category.
I do not agree woth the front double or side chest going to Derek at all. Dereks lats are shot up, his arms are weaker than Hadi's, his legs are more symmetrical but still way weaker than Hadi's. In the side chest something you even mentioned the waist has to be in tight and Derek's isnt. His chest, shoulder and arms are all improved but still way weaker than Hadi's.
Then I have Hadi in a close second on the rear lat spread, side tricep and the only pose he really looses a lot in is the back double. But Hadi destroys Derek in the most muscular and ab and thigh...
Agreed derek beats Hadi but, Hadi beats him in front double biceps.
Thanks. Keep posting to educate the fans 🎉
Question: What if you'd given the side chest to Hadi instead of Derek? How would you break a 4-4 tie? I could see the side chest going to either competitor. This is a great breakdown. I hope that the fans who believe Hadi was robbed can see this and take some comfort. Hadi was absolutely amazing, but I think that this was Derek's year. Great job and thanks for this video!
So, Derek won because he improved from last year not because he looked the winner the day of the show? Congratulations to Derek, but I really appreciate Hadi’s conditioning and him being balanced from top to bottom.
That's clearly not what he said he was explaining why he beat Hadi
@@shaolinhabibi that's why Hadi beat a off Derek last year and a Egyptian dominated for two years stop coping. So lame
@@scerkann3966 derek won front double, back double, lat spread, 50/50 between hadi and derek in side chest, but Hadi won all other poses.
He was explaining the improvements Derek made to justify why he was second last year and this year he won, but he also explained why Derek won based on the physique he presented that night.
@@8SxMURxI8 nope the back lat spread and both side poses. Hadi fans are so lame, he lost the year before this year he was slightly better and won fair and square
By this logic, the most improved from one mr. Olympia to another will be crowned champion. He said it multiple times. Hadi won all front poses and even side ones hands down (Derek's stomach was extending a little bit, Hadis was super tight). He even mentioned that Dereks legs from the front were superior to Hadi's?!@. Derek's super detailed from the back, but let's face it: he's way too washed out from the front. Unless they've changed their judging criteria now: that you should be symmetrical without details. They keep coming up with weird excuses every time there is controversy...maybe they need to announce it in advance so competitors can work on it and stop these controversial decisions..oh wait they can't, they need a window to escape from, when they choose someone who doesn't deserve the win. By the way, I wanted Andrew Jacked to win, that's the physique that my eyes are always drawn to. But in that top 3, Hadi was winning by a landslide. Even BB professionals who were attending had confirmed that. Mr. Olympia is no longer a fair competition.
Have you even watched the video ? He clearly stated that the 2 poses that flipped for him were the side poses due to Derek having 1- better flow in both side poses, 2 - better legs and leg detail in side poses, 3 - better arm and shoulder detail, 4 - better width. These points are the consequence of Derek improving his Arms, Shoulders and detail. While Hadi had better midsection detail and chest which clearly wasn’t enough to win by the subjective criteria of each pose.
Him winning those poses was the consequence of him improving in the judging criteria enough to win those poses and make it stronger poses than Hadi’s.
He clearly stated that this years Derek had poses that were 5 to 3 stronger than this years Hadi while last years Derek had poses that were 3 to 5 weaker than last years Hadi. Nothing controversial here, he explained everything in enough detail for child to understand
forreal, in that scenario Dauda should have won he improved way more from last year than Dereck did
Stfu u Indians! Improved = better than chopan
There is no way in h eck Derek one the side chest and side tri. Tyler, c'mon. You're losing credibilty. Plus you didn't cover the relaxed poses, which I think Hadi wins the front and side.
He clearly explained his reasons for picking Derek in those shots. If you disagree, atleast give your reasoning for Hadi or why you disagree with his reasoning, instead of just saying he's not good at his job
When y'all try to explain why Derek should won that's mean he wasn't good enough to being mr O this years, we All know why y'all gave the thropy to Derek 😂😂😂
Learn English
That's so stupid, there are almost always people saying someone else should have won. This year I guarantee if Hadi had won there would be people saying Derek was robbed
Just salty cuz your boy lost 😢
@@MS-gu2ux brother just put your head out from this ego full shit hole of English being supreme 😂 what has English got to do in a bodybuilding competition.
This comment section makes me laugh man… people not understanding that Derek didn’t win because “he made more improvements than Hadi” but he won because in consequence of his improvements he was the better bodybuilder that day on that stage in 5 of the 8 mandatory poses.
He gave you simple explanation: Derek clearly won 3 poses, Hadi clearly won 3 poses. Tie breaker were side poses and Derek won because he had 1- better flow from the side, 2 - better legs and leg detail, 3- better Arms and shoulders from the side and detail in those areas, 4 - better width. While Hadi had only 1 - better midsection from the side, 2 - better chest and it was close but not enough end of story
What's the definition of flow
@@AvinashSingh-hm3di basically the silhouette and proportions of a bodybuilder in each pose without taking detail in consideration.
Imagine taking both bodybuilders and making black outline around them, the one with nicer outline/muscle bellies has nicer flow.
Derek’s rounder arms, more proportional shoulders and better upper to lower body balance makes him flow really nicely from the side.
@@dominikhanus9320 According to this definition Hadi has a better Flow not Derek
@@AvinashSingh-hm3di explain your subjective opinion please! Because as I see it, flow is one of Hadi’s worst qualities, he generally doesn’t flow super well and isn’t the most aesthetically pleasing bodybuilder. He has different qualities tho
@@DurinDaemonenmetzler You not agreeing is totally fine! Bodybuilding is subjective sport and always will be, there is definitely objective factors to it, but the main deciding factors are and always will be subjective. So it really doesn’t matter what Yours or mine opinion is. The judges thought Derek was the better guy on that day and that’s it. Tyler explained perfectly well why he thought so
I personally don’t agree with your pose breakdown at all. simply because you tend to reward different features and qualities then I do.
Do you actually want me to write a pose breakdown or do you not care ? I really don’t want to write essays for no reason
So far this guy has done a good job. I hope he uses his power to move the men's night show pre-judging to earlier in the day and not last in the evening.
We can only hope
Good Video, but if we are only judging what’s on stage that day, why do you keep referring to their size/conditioning from last year
Cause the positions swapped from past year. He was telling you why.
He just mention the improvement from Derek, and after that he still compare the physic between them. So I don't think it unfair at all. However I disagree with the judge that Derek shoulder is better than Hadi
I’m a Canadian judge, and I can tell you one thing the judges didn’t take into consideration. The overall hardness and maturity of the muscles. Hadi has Derek beat in all aspects of every pose. Derek looked soft and watery in all front poses compared to Hadi’s granity chiseled look. The outcome of the results is very disappointing
Were you at the contest yourself or did you just watch the Livestream?
@@NPCNewsOnline If your only argument for someone (with an experienced eye) wasn’t at the show then what do you call this video comparison ? If Tyler can assess and breakdown a physique using low res photos then imagine what HD quality look like. You can definitely make an analysis using high def resolution photos without having to be there therefore the so called “you can’t judge a show if you aren’t there” gets tossed out the window. I had access to high resolution photos and video and determined Hadi was the clear winner that day.
@@RockyMd1 The point is that he actually judged the Olympia, you in turn did not & if you had watched any of his other videos, he stated that you can't judge a contest from photos or videos. He's using the Hi-Resolution photos & the 4K video our team shot just to show examples. He certainly did not judge it or give assessments from it. When he started these video reviews, he stated he would only do it for contests that he actually judged or was the head judge.
Now since you claim you had access to these Hi-Res photos & videos, please feel free to give us your explanation as to why you feel the Olympia judging panel was wrong? As you can see, we're not deleting comments here.
@RockyMd1 Amazing how you went silent after the explanation that Tyler Manion actually judged the contest & wasn't basing his review on "low res photos" as you stated. 😆
Doesn’t matter how much Derek improved from last year. It’s how he compared to Hadi. Why all of a sudden a pose by pose comparison and explanation if you believed Derek truly won? Too much controversy and heat? I call BS, Hadi should have won 🥇.
So you wanted answers then when given the answers you question why he is giving answers?
@@TRM83 never said I wanted answers boss
@@ajswackyworld6465 by your own statement you thought you guy should have won, but you don't want the answer as to why he didn't? Come on man.
Just being a hater, his guy lost and can’t handle it.. lots of hidden racism, hatred and anti Christian mentality coming out from some fans
@@TRM83 Just because he stated his answer doesn’t mean I have to agree with it, like the other judges who also didn’t agree. Come on man.
Hopefully this video stops the ridiculousness about how Hadi was robbed this year. Started to get really annoying imo
meaning you didnt watch the video😂😂
Jacked may have pushed the top 2 guys if he showed up with that texas pro package...
This is absolutely amazing. More of these so the Fans know what judges look and want when they judge!!! FIRE
Nice breakdown, thank you very much.
I disagree with the side shots. Hadi’s lower abdomen is much much tighter and thus makes his shape appear much better in these shots (esp. side tri).
Imo, overall shape should consider not only the front shots but also the side and back shots. Hadi has superior shape from the side.
This is partially why Nick is better than Andrew. Andrew may have better shape from the front but Nick has better shape from the side/back.
This was excellent!!! Exactly what I needed to hear 🙌🙌🙌 Thank you Tyler.
very interesting, thank you for that!
Dont let the fans manipulate you! Do you job! Who cares!
Excellent analysis, and wonderful to hear from someone in the IFBB explain with such detail what the judges look for. Probably could use this every year going forward!
Excellent breakdown. Could you please address the issue of the top 2 competitors crossing the lines on stage?
This!! They need to start deducting points for crossing the line.
I really like and appreciate these analyses by Tyler.
I think if Samson was better condition he could have won.
I think Brandon's stint in the hospital affected he look and pop this year.
I think Andrew & team tried to come in fuller and it spilled over .
Thank you for these post show analysis
This is awesome! 👏🏼👏🏼
Well, Ric Flair said, “To be the man, WOOOO! You gotta beat the man!” So…
Looking impressive Tyler congrats
Was looking foward to this video
Derek has the best physique
Say you needed an English spoken winer and next year everyone will speak it. Who cares about how much Dereck has improved from last year.The more you try to justify the more we know you cheated.
Instead of judging by emotion, please detail how you think the Olympia judging panel got it wrong. And he is not trying to "justify" the judging, he's explaining how the process went. He has been doing these videos for several contests this year with the stipulation that either he judged the contest or was the head judge at the contes.
I had Derek winning exactly as Tyler explained so I didn't think Hadi got robbed.
please do one of these for classic too !!
this kinda of video is very clarifying for the fans
much love from brazil
Spot on. Thx Tyler for explaining this to the Bodybuilding world. Congrats to Derek🙏💪💯
these recaps are amazing, thanks for the continued insight boss
Well done IFBB! Cry babies go home! Congrats to new Mr. Olympia Derek!
Right💪💪
Completely agree with your analysis. I'm a fan of both Derek and Hadi 💪
Thanks, Tyler. I hope that this video is referenced specifically in the other bodybuilding channels in the near future when the 2023 Olympia is discussed. Keep up the great work. 👍 💪💯
All Hadi fans who think he got robbed should watch this. As Tyler explains and the footage shows, it was close between Hadi and Derek but calling it a ROBBERY is just delusional.
1. It was not close at all in the back shots. Derek dominated Hadi in those shots just as much as Hadi dominated Derek in the abs and thighs and most muscular. The side shots were close and the front double could have gone either way.
2. The lumps in Derek´s Lat´s weren't obvious at all and his glutes were totally fine.
3. 100% politics?? They gave Hadi the win last year although it was a close battle between him and Derek. After all these decisions in recent years where non native American guys won like Big Ramy and Hadi....how can you still think that "politics" decide the winner?
@@curtharakaly4620 Sorry but I agree with this very detailed well explained video, facts over feelings
Agreed
Great break down, thank you 👍
This was an awesome video to put out. Love it.
Great breakdown of all the poses, hopefully the crybabies will be quiet now 😂
No question Derek beat Hadi in a majority of the poses
I really appreciate this video and analysis but also think sad that the judges have to make a video like this because everybody thinks he knows it better than the professional judges. Imagine they had to explain this to all the Ronnie Coleman mr O wins or the Phil health titles…
Just accept that Derek looked the best in this moment to the judges. That’s is
People can’t accept that, there’s a lot of people who hate to see a white Christian win too. That’s part of it.
Kind of continuing what you wrote. He has been making videos about other competitions this year as well. He just didn't start it at the Olympia. He also explained he would only give breakdowns of contest where he either judged or was head judge.
This is a well needed video cause after watching more videos I see why hadi lost & it’s clear as day
Good job Tyler 🔥
Excellent explanation of the winner. Hopefully the hadi fans arent blinded by race