The point of the fog lights being yellow is so you can see through fog and snow. The yellow light doesnt reflect off the snow or fog like the standard white bulbs do.
That may be true but it also makes sense to have your fog lights matching your headlights. The vast majority of car enthusiasts will tell you that yellow looking fog lights look tacky with white led headlights, and I agree with them. Period. And a lot of car companies do offer led fog lights depending on the trim level as well.
@@marrbaby1 but being tacky got me through Canadas biggest snow storm. I have a Jeep so the Yellow fogs look cool and actually have a purpose. The asshat behind me had slowed down 5km back because his white lights were reflecting off the snow. Function trumps style always.
I just installed these Sylvania LED bulbs in my ram 2500 fog lights and wow what a big difference not just in the color but the light output and beam pattern. For the $70 I spent on mine they are well worth it
@@patriotsfan1236 I think now there are better options since LED tech always changes. Mainly in brightness, but Ofcourse fog lights aren’t made to shoot out far.. The Sylvania’s haven’t missed a beat, no canvas…. Just plug n play. Haven’t noticed any flickering. I pretty much only have them for looks to go with my led headlights, but I will say down a dark country road, using the low beams and these are perfect, these shine that bit better beyond the ditches for animals. Soon going to undo the lock out feature on the Ram’s… to where the fog lights will stay on when you turn the brights on.
Thank you for your review. Do these led lights flicker when you start the car? My VW does this to check the status of halogen bulbs and it causes some aftermarket leds to flicker momentarily.
thanks.I usually sit in the car when starting it so I don't know (or care) what the lights do. But now that you asked the question, I wanted to find out. After a few tests, I do not see any flicker.
Very good video, I have a 2013 Sportwagen and want to know if the fog lights do the fade in / fade out when you make turns at low speeds, or if they flicker of just go on / off. Thank you.
mine is a 2019 with full LED main headlights. It doesn't use the fog lights as turn-lights (only models with non-LED headlights do). so I cannot answer your question
sure: US Amazon: www.amazon.com/dp/B07Y5Q5FBQ/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_3ABSRG7HGZC7DXQXBA72 Outside the US, Sylvania is Osram (well, actually the other way round, what is Osram around the world is Sylvania in the US). Here is a link to Amazon UK for what I think is essentially the same product: www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07P81PSYK/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_3P3EQC889ZKRV60MVP7W the number printed on the bottom of my Sylvania 'US' bulbs is 67211CW. you can see that in one of the Amazon US pictures. And this is the same number in the article description of the Amazon UK product.
yes, they are still working strong. I didn't expect otherwise. by the way, in Germany, Osram (Sylvania's parent company) just got their H7 LED bulb certified for road-usage in Germany for several cars. Granted, what I installed is a H11 and it went into the fog lights but it shows how "OEM quality" Osram/Sylvania LED lights are.
Ngl I have those in my Ford Escape and even tho they seem brighter, their only slightly brighter. I’ll prob return them and get some from auxbeam. Their around 4K lumens compared to the 1100 lumens those put out.
If you are just going for show the LED bulbs are fine, however for the purpose of using fog lights for situation where it is raining, snowing or fog you would be better off with your original lamps. When you switch to a higher K bulb you get poorer vision in adverse weather. Your new bulbs may look brighter to the eye but in fact produce less lumens and the blue/white light color will not penetrate the water or snow as effectively as a low K bulb. That is why historically fog lights were orange in color, to penetrate the adverse weather conditions.
they are called fog lights because they are mounted very low to the ground and have a wide beam pattern. Depending on regulations of the country you are in, you can use fog lights without the main head lights in dense fog conditions. the idea here is to avoid blinding yourself with the normal headlights and their reflection by fog. the low mounted fog lights won't cause as much self-blinding. So to answer your question, no, fog lights cannot be used as main head lights.
Highly doubtful. The H11 was already over DOT. Fogs is ok to have bright as you can turn them off. I'm replacing 886 style to h11 on a John Deere tractor (oem headlamp application) but I'm mostly on my property and when I'm on a road it's just up the street or plowing snow. There you can get away with being too bright. What you need to do is upgrade fog lamps or add off-road style lights. Make sure your fog housing won't melt. Some will! Ask a Polaris RZR owner. We all went thru this.
@@orange13 for i bought some after market headlights witch use h7 for low beam and h1 for high beams when I went 2 the auto parts I saw the same brand salvenia but the said for fog lights instead of for high or low beams
@@slyshootertony8496 a h7 is always a h7 (same for h1), they are not specific for headlights or fog lights. I'm guessing the only reason it says "fog lights' on the box is that they are NOT legal to use as a replacement for a headlight halogen bulb. In most (if not all) countries, a headlight is certified as a unit, the actual headlight plus the bulb. and if you replace the halogen bulb with a LED then you are no longer legal. the same might not be true for foglights. or you might find a disclaimer on the box saying "for offroad use only". Also, a precise beam pattern that doesn't dazzle oncoming traffic is way harder to achieve if you replace a halogen with a LED in the main headlights. Much less of an issue for the foglights.
In some vehicles such as a commercial truck H11 is the size for all three high beam,low beam and the fog lights. So I have this in all three on my truck.
one thing that pisses me off about the brand is they don't show you a visual comparison of a random car with old halogen bulbs , then gradually upgrade one bulb , showing the look and brightness of it from the front , and lighting down the road from the drivers seat, i know they got the basics , white plus or something, zxe white , zxe exoen and the leds but they don't give a comparison
Wow, you are an easy consumer. 90% of those pictures are photo shopped so you should take it as a compliment that they don’t show the comparison pictures, as they’re not trying to insult your… I would normally say intelligence. But… You know.
fog lights are not meant to style a car but penetrating fog or heavy rain, lighting the road nearby, with white bulbs thats a lot more dificult compared to stock halogens , there is a reason they left halogens on fog lights, thats why i stick with 4300k xenon instead white
observation: "fog lights" is a misnomer. No-one should have ever named them that. When it actually is foggy or rainy they light the fog or rain forcing you turn them off. Right? Basically "fogs" have always been additional headlights for me. They help light up the road ahead. Usually to see deer or debris on the road. During fog you slow down. You don't turn more lights on. I don't. An on coming car will see you earlier with fog lights. But myself I won't use them for fog. I turn fogs off during fog. I think the term Fog was proper in the old days and we still use it. BTW have you noticed amber "fogs" became a thing of the past. They were annoying. Tells you something about the concept of a fog doesn't it?
Fog lights are purposely mounted low to reduce their light getting reflected by fog (or snow or heavy rain) back into the eyes of the driver. They work very well in that manner, much better than the main headlights which are mounted a lot higher. However, here in the US, the car’s light switch does NOT allow the fog lights to be turned on with the main headlights off. So yes, they become additional lights and therefore are less effective - or counter- productive - in heavy fog situations. In other countries, regulations allow running fog lights without running the main headlights. If the fog lights are the only front- facing lights on the car, they are very effective. So the concept of fog lights is still a good one but the way it is currently applied is not.
incorrect. They may be low but those are blinding in the video. People will flash him on normal nights. Let's face it some people like fogs on, on a normal night. But many fogs are 886 halogen style which are legal at night on a normal night. I'm surprised by his h11 and kinda doubt those were OEM. H11 are 200% brighter than normal 886 fogs. Gooogle "flickering fog and driving diode lights". It gets lengthy.
The point of the fog lights being yellow is so you can see through fog and snow. The yellow light doesnt reflect off the snow or fog like the standard white bulbs do.
So just put a yellow LED instead.
I didn’t think of that! We’ll I drive 10% of the time in snow and fog so I prefer it to be clear and bright for the majority of my driving
@@JenMarco you can also get a yellow film or filter to put over your white fog lights when you drive in snow. Then you can switch it back anytime.
That may be true but it also makes sense to have your fog lights matching your headlights. The vast majority of car enthusiasts will tell you that yellow looking fog lights look tacky with white led headlights, and I agree with them. Period. And a lot of car companies do offer led fog lights depending on the trim level as well.
@@marrbaby1 but being tacky got me through Canadas biggest snow storm. I have a Jeep so the Yellow fogs look cool and actually have a purpose. The asshat behind me had slowed down 5km back because his white lights were reflecting off the snow. Function trumps style always.
Thanks for the video, I have a 2019 VW Golf Alltrack SEL and they work perfectly no errors, no issues. Notable upgrade.
I just installed these Sylvania LED bulbs in my ram 2500 fog lights and wow what a big difference not just in the color but the light output and beam pattern. For the $70 I spent on mine they are well worth it
About to Install on a 2010 Buick Enclave
What year? Did you use a canvas regulator? I want to do it to mine. Thanks
@@patriotsfan1236 I think now there are better options since LED tech always changes. Mainly in brightness, but Ofcourse fog lights aren’t made to shoot out far.. The Sylvania’s haven’t missed a beat, no canvas…. Just plug n play. Haven’t noticed any flickering. I pretty much only have them for looks to go with my led headlights, but I will say down a dark country road, using the low beams and these are perfect, these shine that bit better beyond the ditches for animals. Soon going to undo the lock out feature on the Ram’s… to where the fog lights will stay on when you turn the brights on.
Wow thank you so much for the video! That’s exactly what I needed to hear/see, so now I’m going to order some for my dad‘s Duramax👍
I greatly appreciate the video I too just replaced my OEM headlights on my Alltrack requiring the fog lights as well. Thanks again
Need some more awesome Alltrack upgrades like you made to the Winnebago!
Great video, thanks for the shots from the drivers perspective!
The best video I’ve seen on this subject! Thank you.
Doing this around a well lit lot makes a lot of sense.
observation: Oncoming cars will not like them unfortunately.
Very well made video and appreciated.
Thank you for your review. Do these led lights flicker when you start the car? My VW does this to check the status of halogen bulbs and it causes some aftermarket leds to flicker momentarily.
thanks.I usually sit in the car when starting it so I don't know (or care) what the lights do. But now that you asked the question, I wanted to find out. After a few tests, I do not see any flicker.
I see that it illuminates very well in normal conditions, but those lights are fog lights, you should have done the test in foggy conditions.
we don't get a lot of fog down here in Texas.Since I installed them more than 2 years ago, I drove exactly zero times in fog :-)
great video!
Very good video, I have a 2013 Sportwagen and want to know if the fog lights do the fade in / fade out when you make turns at low speeds, or if they flicker of just go on / off. Thank you.
mine is a 2019 with full LED main headlights. It doesn't use the fog lights as turn-lights (only models with non-LED headlights do). so I cannot answer your question
I have the same question! Have you discovered the answer yet?
Thank you for providing this very detailed video😎👍🏼
Could you perhaps post a link to these bulbs please? 🙏🏻
sure: US Amazon: www.amazon.com/dp/B07Y5Q5FBQ/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_3ABSRG7HGZC7DXQXBA72
Outside the US, Sylvania is Osram (well, actually the other way round, what is Osram around the world is Sylvania in the US). Here is a link to Amazon UK for what I think is essentially the same product: www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07P81PSYK/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_3P3EQC889ZKRV60MVP7W
the number printed on the bottom of my Sylvania 'US' bulbs is 67211CW. you can see that in one of the Amazon US pictures. And this is the same number in the article description of the Amazon UK product.
Are they still working?
yes
Wow, the car have a hole in the fender for a easy light replace, in mine VW i have to take off the fender.
pro tip put heat grease in connetor befor pluging it in
After 11 months are they still working - bought cheaper ones on Amazon and burnt out with 2 weeks 🤷♂️
yes, they are still working strong. I didn't expect otherwise. by the way, in Germany, Osram (Sylvania's parent company) just got their H7 LED bulb certified for road-usage in Germany for several cars. Granted, what I installed is a H11 and it went into the fog lights but it shows how "OEM quality" Osram/Sylvania LED lights are.
@@orange13 i hope led will get certified here for headlight use, other wise I'm going to retrofit.
Nice video. Did it cause any bulb failure message on the dashboard after replacement?
Nope. All good and no error codes came up
Ngl I have those in my Ford Escape and even tho they seem brighter, their only slightly brighter. I’ll prob return them and get some from auxbeam. Their around 4K lumens compared to the 1100 lumens those put out.
If you are just going for show the LED bulbs are fine, however for the purpose of using fog lights for situation where it is raining, snowing or fog you would be better off with your original lamps. When you switch to a higher K bulb you get poorer vision in adverse weather. Your new bulbs may look brighter to the eye but in fact produce less lumens and the blue/white light color will not penetrate the water or snow as effectively as a low K bulb. That is why historically fog lights were orange in color, to penetrate the adverse weather conditions.
Are the bulbs blue or white?
you can see a closeup at 1;08 in the video. they are neither blue or white. the tiny LEDs are yellow but they shine a bright white (6000K) light.
Thank you! I will make my order now
Mine didn't budge at all. Fuck it, driving with one out for now
I know they are called fog lights but would work as headlights?
they are called fog lights because they are mounted very low to the ground and have a wide beam pattern. Depending on regulations of the country you are in, you can use fog lights without the main head lights in dense fog conditions. the idea here is to avoid blinding yourself with the normal headlights and their reflection by fog. the low mounted fog lights won't cause as much self-blinding. So to answer your question, no, fog lights cannot be used as main head lights.
Highly doubtful. The H11 was already over DOT. Fogs is ok to have bright as you can turn them off. I'm replacing 886 style to h11 on a John Deere tractor (oem headlamp application) but I'm mostly on my property and when I'm on a road it's just up the street or plowing snow. There you can get away with being too bright.
What you need to do is upgrade fog lamps or add off-road style lights. Make sure your fog housing won't melt. Some will! Ask a Polaris RZR owner. We all went thru this.
What type of led you use on the headlights high and low beam
none. these are the stock LED headlights which are an "all in one" unit, using a LED matrix and not traditional bulbs
@@orange13 for i bought some after market headlights witch use h7 for low beam and h1 for high beams when I went 2 the auto parts I saw the same brand salvenia but the said for fog lights instead of for high or low beams
@@slyshootertony8496 a h7 is always a h7 (same for h1), they are not specific for headlights or fog lights. I'm guessing the only reason it says "fog lights' on the box is that they are NOT legal to use as a replacement for a headlight halogen bulb. In most (if not all) countries, a headlight is certified as a unit, the actual headlight plus the bulb. and if you replace the halogen bulb with a LED then you are no longer legal. the same might not be true for foglights. or you might find a disclaimer on the box saying "for offroad use only". Also, a precise beam pattern that doesn't dazzle oncoming traffic is way harder to achieve if you replace a halogen with a LED in the main headlights. Much less of an issue for the foglights.
@@orange13 make sence thank you
In some vehicles such as a commercial truck H11 is the size for all three high beam,low beam and the fog lights. So I have this in all three on my truck.
one thing that pisses me off about
the brand is they don't show you a visual comparison of a random car with old halogen bulbs , then gradually upgrade one bulb , showing the look and brightness of it from the front , and lighting down the road from the drivers seat,
i know they got the basics , white plus or something, zxe white , zxe exoen and the leds but they don't give a comparison
Wow, you are an easy consumer. 90% of those pictures are photo shopped so you should take it as a compliment that they don’t show the comparison pictures, as they’re not trying to insult your… I would normally say intelligence. But… You know.
fog lights are not meant to style a car but penetrating fog or heavy rain, lighting the road nearby, with white bulbs thats a lot more dificult compared to stock halogens , there is a reason they left halogens on fog lights, thats why i stick with 4300k xenon instead white
Do these have fans?
No fans.
Heat-sink only.
They use the halogens because yellower light is better in fog and snow
So does led. 3000k has an excellent led yellow to penetrate through the weather conditions.
Same goes hella halogens
Du bist doch deutsch.... oder täusche ich mich da ? 😅
...genau wie der Golf (der allerdings hier aus Mexico kommt)...
@@orange13cheaper made which is sad.
You’re German right?
...just like my car :-)
observation: "fog lights" is a misnomer. No-one should have ever named them that. When it actually is foggy or rainy they light the fog or rain forcing you turn them off. Right? Basically "fogs" have always been additional headlights for me. They help light up the road ahead. Usually to see deer or debris on the road. During fog you slow down. You don't turn more lights on. I don't. An on coming car will see you earlier with fog lights. But myself I won't use them for fog. I turn fogs off during fog. I think the term Fog was proper in the old days and we still use it.
BTW have you noticed amber "fogs" became a thing of the past. They were annoying. Tells you something about the concept of a fog doesn't it?
Fog lights are purposely mounted low to reduce their light getting reflected by fog (or snow or heavy rain) back into the eyes of the driver. They work very well in that manner, much better than the main headlights which are mounted a lot higher.
However, here in the US, the car’s light switch does NOT allow the fog lights to be turned on with the main headlights off. So yes, they become additional lights and therefore are less effective - or counter- productive - in heavy fog situations. In other countries, regulations allow running fog lights without running the main headlights. If the fog lights are the only front- facing lights on the car, they are very effective. So the concept of fog lights is still a good one but the way it is currently applied is not.
Fog lights is fog lights. So no matter what u say.
Fog light most be yellow.
Fog lights can be any. 3000k-6500k
So your lights cost more than your car.
Lol not even. The car is still worth more than the led.
Jokes aside. It only depends of what brand u pick and what price u pay
I get the idea, but fog lights are meant to be low, dim, and not led
incorrect. They may be low but those are blinding in the video. People will flash him on normal nights. Let's face it some people like fogs on, on a normal night. But many fogs are 886 halogen style which are legal at night on a normal night. I'm surprised by his h11 and kinda doubt those were OEM. H11 are 200% brighter than normal 886 fogs. Gooogle "flickering fog and driving diode lights". It gets lengthy.
Nope. Having super bright led fog lights is much better than dim not that bright fog lights
@@itsruf1u will not blind others with sylvania led bulbs in fog lights. That’s far from it.