@EB_3Dwell if OU and Texas was in the big 12 last season they would’ve have been promoting up the big 12 way more it’s like how the big 10 is juiced because of Oregon
@SSgtSmith13they won a big 10 championship there first year and then made the playoff semi the next year. Losing to the team won the natty both times. So they didn’t just join and was irrelevant.😅
I wish all marquee nonconference matchups happened in the middle of the regular season. There would be no opt outs as there are in bowl games outside of the playoff and all teams would have had enough games to establish a working identity (both for players and coaches). I feel like this idea would be fantastic for the sport and boost interest from both types of fans. We would probably need centralized leadership to make this dream a reality though...
I’m a Dawg and always will be, but I genuinely want the big12 and acc to realign and be stronger. I want a toss up between conferences every year. And will someone in power PLEASE take Josh’s recommendations on bowl games and the calendar!?!?!?
4:42 now hold on a minute, what do we mean by “8-4”? Because if every SEC team wins all their non conference games thats 3-0 and 5-4 in conference. Now they can’t all go 5-4 in conference, especially not with Texas going 12-0, so let’s say everyone else goes 7-5 or 8-4. That does not mean the league is bad, that means it is balanced. If most of them win their bowl games, in addition to their non conference regular season games, that suggests Texas was able to break through a tight league. I think that a lot of people in college football mistake hierarchy for quality.
all the pent-up frustration from not winning for so many years, the other conferences finally able to actually be in the conversation are licking their chops
I disagree. SEC can hold Big 10 beer for now until they prove it. Indiana/Ohio State (interchangable), Oregon+ probably Michigan, are all going to be superior. Middle is strong. Bottom is undervalued, hard to face best teams in country every week.
@3PointAssassinGolf All the way back in 2022, what does a game 4 seasons ago have to do with the teams TODAY? Very few, if any, players on the teams during that game are still in CFB, that game is irrelevant as for the outlook of teams currently.
The problem with the top to bottom method is that the SEC's OOC schedules have tended to be garbage. They were strong top-to-bottom because they said they were, at least until Texas made the CCG in their first year. Then Texas only got there because they had an easy conference schedule.
Yes, some do. Hence the “power 2” label. It started when some SEC fans pointed out that the XII and ACC haven’t won a title in a while and decided because of that they are above
everyone knows the big x12 was weak. I live in the heart of SEC country and no one i know or spoke to saud anything about the ACC. Clemson was very relevant during several seasons so that made the ACC relevant. It took the Big 10 longer to win a national championship than it did the ACC.
@Will-pp9kc100%. But what people are saying is through more formal (and now legal) avenues to pay players Big Ten powerhouse teams (as an Iowa fan let’s be honest not all big ten teams are in this conversation) is able to drum up more money than the SEC. The tin foil hat theory is that pre NIL SEC teams were paying players more and were more willing to bend the rules. However we have 0 objective data to support that, it’s just one hypothesis for why we have seen the simultaneous fall of the SEC and rise of the Big Ten (again small sample size of just a few years so it remains to be seen what happens in the future).
Maybe because the SEC had better training, better game plans, and better coaches? You sound so salty lmfao. You say "everyone else" like you're a child.
@Basgerinone thing Pate mentioned was the Big Ten had a better culture of developing coaches and less of a “good ole boys club” than the SEC which is talent distribution has leveled out with NIL could explain what has occurred over the past few years. Im not as in tune with assistant coaching to know if that’s accurate or not but is certainly plausible to explain a coaching advantage becoming more evident favoring the Big Ten.
Haven't looked this up, so I'm just wondering: Has the SEC won more National Championships since 98', than the Big 10+8 has since... The Great Depression?
How can you say the middle of the B1G is weaker than the middle of the SEC when the B1G just wrecked the SEC in bowl games last year? The B1G is clearly top of the food chain through and through
@CokeBoi6969Ahh yes got to be bias to not all of sudden put a bunch of stock into bowl games that have been dead for years. Or to act like outside of Indiana this year, Oregon, could have said Penn State they’re in a rebuild, Michigan in flames, OSU really being the only steady program at the top. And the bottom half of the conference consisting of Maryland, Minnesota, Northwestern, Rutgers, Purdue, UCLA, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Washington, Michigan State. I’d say that’s actually a fair and accurate assessment.
@bobschacklford7416 Prior to NIL which effectively has been the advantage for the SEC since they were the conference which never got in trouble for supposed under the table spending from people that apparently started a term called "bag men" because of the shadiness of the recruiting happening in that league. In some evidence also you have former major players who also said all conferences were paying under the table but the most was paid by the SEC schools. This is Cam Newton and several other major players who were talking on a podcast about NIL(they have deleted that podcast and their tweets on it so third party sites are where you have to look for it) and they effectively said the SEC paid in 6 figures where the other places were paying in the 4 and 5 figures. This is why Saban had on his team 2 starting level teams on the same roster that likely would have been good enough to play for the championship most years. They don't have that but only 1st teamers they can afford to pay which is why parity throughout is much higher. The highest paying teams are getting the best players now. This is one of the reasons Saban said he left college football as Alabama which known for great teams isn't known for having a Billionaire backing the schools sports. FYI, that podcast had those players lamenting about how much players got in current NIL compared to the under the table money they received in their time.
@bobschacklford7416Big Ten 33 to SEC 28 nattys. SEC had an amazing run but it was a short blimp. That run is as relevant as the old Big 8 dominance to today’s landscape.
B1G has a 26 year drought in basketball championships right now. But who cares ! IU is college footballs kings right now and thats all that matters !!!!!! Hoo Hoo Hoosiers !!!!
My team is is. The SEC, even including my team, I honestly want the Big 12 and ACC to step up too. The sport needs parity. The Big 10 streak is definitely helping balance and take some power away from the blue and gold
Why is there even a “ power 2 “ conference? I am a diehard fan of The Ohio State University “ and the big ten minus Wichigan. But this advertisement pushes the “ 2 power conferences “ to making more money and pushing everyone else down. Like government the 1 percenters and the rest of us!!!! Stop letting ESPN dictate who should be the top!!!!
Acc 16-17 Big12 14-9 B1G 13-9 Pac12 0-8 SEC 13-13 Maybe do the whole season and show how everyone was mid all year against each other. Bowl Season is the most re re snap shot since opt outs. It's not a true example of a team.
While the t-sips won't sniff a title this season, if they did with your scenario, what will never be heard is garbage like "you just won a down conference this year" with the implication that it does not matter. I know for a fact that this very statement will be applied to Texas A&M (tu's DADDY) when the Aggies finally do win the title.
Because of the timing Georgia and Texas have very good shots. But Oregon. IU. Ohio state. Are right back there again. And USC could crash the party. Michigan could crash the party.
Forget about the SEC getting to the championship game. They need one of their teams other than Texas to actually win a game against another P4/Independent team in the playoffs first 🤣
Wouldn’t the big10 need to match or least come close to the SEC dominance before you could even float the idea that they’ve overtaken them??? Or does two in a row just wipe out multiple decades of dominance and many years in a row with multiple SEC teams even accomplishing the back to back… sounds a bit incoherent to me
If you all are basing conference power off of national championship apperances/wins.........then ALL of the other conferences have MUCH catching up to do. Lol why is everyone so concerned about the SEC? 🤔
The TV ratings say they are doing fine. They've been the most watched teams for the past several decades. They are doing better than just "keeping afloat" Pretty sure FOX would love to pull just Bama's viewership, let alone adding in Georgia and TX.
You say 5-10 SEC > 5-10 B1G, but in the bowl games we didnt really see that. Illinois took down tennessee. Iowa took down vanderbilt. Texas did beat michigan but i mean💀
The SEC fanboys just can’t let go and always try and find an excuse. They were so obnoxious the past 20 years it’s nice to seem them get it right back.
@slimpickens8343okay CFP too. Who has the SEC beat besides themselves, G5, and Texas in their first year barely squeaking by an ASU team yall cried about not belonging?
@CokeBoi6969 Bro theres no point in bringing up bowl games with sec fans, it goes in one ear and out the other. Even though most of the star players for tennessee, vandy, lsu, and texas played. Bowl games ONLY matter for sec teams when they win, otherwise, sec fans just laugh in your face like the comment above when you mention bowls, like theyre some sort of practice scrimmage, ESPECIALLY for the past couple years because of how much the SEC has collectively been getting embarrassed in the postseason.
More sec players are draft year end year out . Since bowl games have become pointless yes a lot of them will opt out if you had a multi million dollar deal on the table are you going to play a game that really adds nothing to your resume ? I mean i hate it as much as the next guy but with the new system its play off or bust
Josh Pate misses the point here, the SEC was bad not because of National Title setup, they were had because of their bowl-playoff record against other conferences.
@SurferRC actually SEC looked fairly good regular season, that is why they got 4 CFB births. Even bad SEC teams like Auburn and LSU won big OOC games. Post Season was where they flopped
@vol@volbound1700 year cal beat auburn and ok st beat arkansas so the bottom is just as bad amor worse tuan the other p4 bottom. The acc went 8-6 all year vs the sec with no sec team beating anything but a low or mid acc team
Next year the sec will ----PAY FOR 14 out of 16 TEAMS TO START IN THE TOP 25 --- PAY TO KEEP 10-11 IN THE 25 ALL YEAR ---PAY TO PROP RANKINGS OF 2-3-4 LOSS SEC TEAMS ----STILL GET 5 AND THIS YEAR MABEY 6 UNDESERVING UNDER PERFORMING SEC TEAMS IN THE SEC PLAYOFFS ----KEEP OUT DESERVING 1 LOSS TEAMS FROM THE SEC PLAYOFFS -----AND STILL FAIL TO MAKE THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME DESPITE CHEATING PAYING OFF REFS AND COACHES AND A LACKLUSTER SCHEDUAL< WITH THE THREAT OF LEAVING EVEN FALLING FLAT> THE SEC IS A JOKE SOFT EASY CONFERENCE
The problem with Winston's question is the a glaring example of one of the problems with CFB, and @joshpate pointed it out. When discussions about toughest conferences come to play, rarely does everyone approach it from a singular criteria. The default of many is that it's based on the number of national titles won. Some add to that argument by saying the number of different teams from a conference whose won the national title matters. I feel there are the P4 conferences and the toughest conference in any given year is determined by a host of factors, with one factor being winning the national title. Other factors would be playing for the national title, head to head match-ups in the regular season, bowl games, and a few others. The reality is each conference has 1-4 teams at the top, followed by the next tier, and as an ACC fan, I would contend that Miami, SMU, L'ville, GT, Clem, FSU and VT, Pitt and UVA can go to to toe with an equivalently ranked team in a different P4 conference. I would also throw in Duke, Wake and Cal and argue that those Teams will beat any third tier team in any of the other P4 conferences. You're probably side-eying my list especially as it relates to Clem, FSU and VT given their recent records, however I will contend that both Clem and FSU have deep strong rosters and you can't pencil in that game as a win. Same for VT, they are always competetive and putting them on the list is based on who I know they'll be starting this year. I can all but guarantee they will be formidable this season. Overall, I think the SEC is the top conference, but only because I do believe they have more, stronger teams at the top in UGA, TX, OK, TA&M, LSU, Bama. Does this mean Ohio State can't beat any or each of them, I don't know. OSU probably can on many Saturdays, but overall I don't think the B1G has as many teams in that Tier. It's OSU, Mich and Oregon and this year you have to throw in IN, but after that there's a drop off.
@DanSchaad elite is competing for titles. The Big 10 and SEC still continuously fill the playoffs with top teams. That’s literally the definition of elite. Competing at the highest level.
@BoatercycleEnthusiast Getting more teams in the CFP doesn't mean they're "competing" any more than other conferences. Actually winning those games and going far in the playoffs proves that. The SEC is 5-8 with a total of 8 combined teams making it in (3-6 in games not against themselves). The ACC is 3-3 with only 3 teams getting in (3-1 all won by just Miami this year). The ACC has just as many non-conf wins with just Miami's wins this year as the SEC has between those 8 teams. So the SEC as a whole hasn't "competed" any better than Miami alone.
Most of their schools lag behind Big Ten in terms of academics/research output and football is all they have (good reason why southern states produce such poor students compared to the upper Midwest). I do feel bad for them now that they don’t even have football to hang their hat on.
@Bayou_Bandit Sorry facts don't care about your feelings. Reading levels, standardized testing scores, essentially every metric in education is lowest in southern states. It is both a cultural/religious issue as well as a state governance issue.
@bobschacklford7416Don’t have to take it from me take it from our robust data. Attacking the messenger not the argument is a great example of poor logical thinking. Because I have a silly name on RUclips does that change data? Catholicism, traditional New England/WASP Protestant sects have largely evolved with modern science. There is a strong anti-intellectualism (particularly in STEM fields) in the south tightly related with American evangelism which has permeated both the politics and culture of the South.
SEC is the 2nd best conference right now. Period. Until proven otherwise. And the Big 10 has proven top to bottom to be superior. The under value on the middle and bottom of the Big 10 is the SECs way of trying to cope. PROVE IT. Minnesota is hanging with South Carolina on a neutral site i promise you. Nebraska and Florida would be an great game im in on. Iowa Vanderbilt. Oh we saw that. Iowa is always unspoken about, but put them with Washington Penn St. USC last 2 seasons Michigan. Could go on for a while. TL: DR - Big 10 Era is and has been here now for 3 years and is only gaining momentum.
It would take 10 years to stop labeling them a power 2 conference on title wins. Too much talent goes into that league that eventually they will win it all.
The SEC got so used to winning just about every year (and it wasn't just Alabama: from 2006-22, five DIFFERENT SEC teams won national titles and non-SEC teams won a combined total of four titles in that stretch) that now that there's a little bit of slippage, everyone is freaking out. The SEC as a whole is still a top conference (and I say that objectively: I'm a Pac-10 guy.) The two Texas teams (A&M and UT-Austin) both have a legitimate chance this year to win a natty. Georgia isn't going anywhere, and Alabama has patched some of their holes from last year. Actually winning one is a crapshoot, just like with any large single-elimination tournament. The ball's gotta bounce your way a time or two. The SEC will have teams win national championships again, whether it's this year or some other year.
And then went 4-9 in the postseason, with 3 of those wins being against other SEC teams and 1 group of five team. 1 whole win against a non-SEC power 4 team in 13 tries 😂😂 Turns out the sec just beat up on a bunch of bum power 4 teams like clemson the first couple weeks and then got smacked around when the games mattered most 😂
It just means more, media favorable, creating a narrative of greatness 👐
Texas is a Big 12 team and now it’s being used as the last line of defense of the SEC 😂
it's really not
@EB_3Dwell if OU and Texas was in the big 12 last season they would’ve have been promoting up the big 12 way more it’s like how the big 10 is juiced because of Oregon
@ASN_JAYwhat has Oregon done since joining the B10?
@SSgtSmith13they won a big 10 championship there first year and then made the playoff semi the next year. Losing to the team won the natty both times. So they didn’t just join and was irrelevant.😅
@ASN_JAYBut the last 3 teams to win a national championship were all original B1G members.
Oregon just gets style and aura points because of Nike
I'm a big10 fan and I dont like the SEC but there definitely still a power conference its crazy to think that they're not
Yea I agree it will just be power 2
Acc>sec too 8-6
Exactly!!!
I wish all marquee nonconference matchups happened in the middle of the regular season. There would be no opt outs as there are in bowl games outside of the playoff and all teams would have had enough games to establish a working identity (both for players and coaches). I feel like this idea would be fantastic for the sport and boost interest from both types of fans. We would probably need centralized leadership to make this dream a reality though...
I’m a Dawg and always will be, but I genuinely want the big12 and acc to realign and be stronger. I want a toss up between conferences every year. And will someone in power PLEASE take Josh’s recommendations on bowl games and the calendar!?!?!?
4:42 now hold on a minute, what do we mean by “8-4”? Because if every SEC team wins all their non conference games thats 3-0 and 5-4 in conference. Now they can’t all go 5-4 in conference, especially not with Texas going 12-0, so let’s say everyone else goes 7-5 or 8-4. That does not mean the league is bad, that means it is balanced. If most of them win their bowl games, in addition to their non conference regular season games, that suggests Texas was able to break through a tight league.
I think that a lot of people in college football mistake hierarchy for quality.
You're right. The B1G and the SEC are more or less equal, but it's so much fun to troll the SEC.
all the pent-up frustration from not winning for so many years, the other conferences finally able to actually be in the conversation are licking their chops
I disagree. SEC can hold Big 10 beer for now until they prove it. Indiana/Ohio State (interchangable), Oregon+ probably Michigan, are all going to be superior. Middle is strong. Bottom is undervalued, hard to face best teams in country every week.
Oregon will never go all the way.
@Ang@AngryKaren84 I’m not a big SEC sympathizer, but I recall Georgia beating Oregon 49-3 a few years ago😂
@3PointAssassinGolf All the way back in 2022, what does a game 4 seasons ago have to do with the teams TODAY? Very few, if any, players on the teams during that game are still in CFB, that game is irrelevant as for the outlook of teams currently.
The problem with the top to bottom method is that the SEC's OOC schedules have tended to be garbage. They were strong top-to-bottom because they said they were, at least until Texas made the CCG in their first year. Then Texas only got there because they had an easy conference schedule.
Even little ACC got a team in the natty
And went 8-6 vs the sec
Yep. They reinforced their status as the 3rd best conference. Love those ACC juggernauts, like BC, Cuse, that blue blood Wake Forest, etc.
2nd best by the head to head and common opponents data
@SurferRC6-4 regular season. 6-6 including playoffs. Anything outside that is silly to count.
@KirbyOne-N-Done6-8 if football counts
Bowl games only count if the sec has a good bowl season
Stupid comment
So Mizzou beating tOSU counts?
@KirbyOne-N-DoneMissouri blows
Did SEC fans ask about removing the B10,ACC, or any other conference during every other conference drought?
Yes.
Fans viewed the SEC as a power 1 conference.
“It just means more” 🤡
Yes, some do. Hence the “power 2” label. It started when some SEC fans pointed out that the XII and ACC haven’t won a title in a while and decided because of that they are above
everyone knows the big x12 was weak. I live in the heart of SEC country and no one i know or spoke to saud anything about the ACC. Clemson was very relevant during several seasons so that made the ACC relevant. It took the Big 10 longer to win a national championship than it did the ACC.
@c@charlesyarbrough2619 Took The B1G longer? Ohio State won the very first Playoff National Championship in 2014 😭
Everyone else is allowed to pay players and suddenly the SEC falls off. Coincidence?
everyone was paying in the past too. Only an idiot will think it was jus the SEC.
@Will-pp9kc100%. But what people are saying is through more formal (and now legal) avenues to pay players Big Ten powerhouse teams (as an Iowa fan let’s be honest not all big ten teams are in this conversation) is able to drum up more money than the SEC. The tin foil hat theory is that pre NIL SEC teams were paying players more and were more willing to bend the rules. However we have 0 objective data to support that, it’s just one hypothesis for why we have seen the simultaneous fall of the SEC and rise of the Big Ten (again small sample size of just a few years so it remains to be seen what happens in the future).
Maybe because the SEC had better training, better game plans, and better coaches? You sound so salty lmfao.
You say "everyone else" like you're a child.
@Basgerin FOAD
@Basgerinone thing Pate mentioned was the Big Ten had a better culture of developing coaches and less of a “good ole boys club” than the SEC which is talent distribution has leveled out with NIL could explain what has occurred over the past few years. Im not as in tune with assistant coaching to know if that’s accurate or not but is certainly plausible to explain a coaching advantage becoming more evident favoring the Big Ten.
Haven't looked this up, so I'm just wondering: Has the SEC won more National Championships since 98', than the Big 10+8 has since... The Great Depression?
How can you say the middle of the B1G is weaker than the middle of the SEC when the B1G just wrecked the SEC in bowl games last year? The B1G is clearly top of the food chain through and through
Because the media just can’t let go and need to cling onto some narrative to justify their SEC bias.
That's the only justifiable way they can jump people
Acc>sec too
@SurferRC😂😂😂 You get your football card revoked saying things like that.
@CokeBoi6969Ahh yes got to be bias to not all of sudden put a bunch of stock into bowl games that have been dead for years. Or to act like outside of Indiana this year, Oregon, could have said Penn State they’re in a rebuild, Michigan in flames, OSU really being the only steady program at the top. And the bottom half of the conference consisting of Maryland, Minnesota, Northwestern, Rutgers, Purdue, UCLA, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Washington, Michigan State. I’d say that’s actually a fair and accurate assessment.
I find it hard to believe you wear anything but a white T-shirt, which you should also put in your shop lol
SEC pate back at it again
Bbbbbutt Saban and Tebow🤣🤣🤣
What am I missing?? I thought South Carolina was in the SEC?
Who all were in the last three national championship games
Michigan vs Washington
Ohio state vs notre Dame
Indiana vs miami
What confrence won 16 out of the last 20 😂
@bobschacklford7416 Prior to NIL which effectively has been the advantage for the SEC since they were the conference which never got in trouble for supposed under the table spending from people that apparently started a term called "bag men" because of the shadiness of the recruiting happening in that league. In some evidence also you have former major players who also said all conferences were paying under the table but the most was paid by the SEC schools. This is Cam Newton and several other major players who were talking on a podcast about NIL(they have deleted that podcast and their tweets on it so third party sites are where you have to look for it) and they effectively said the SEC paid in 6 figures where the other places were paying in the 4 and 5 figures.
This is why Saban had on his team 2 starting level teams on the same roster that likely would have been good enough to play for the championship most years. They don't have that but only 1st teamers they can afford to pay which is why parity throughout is much higher. The highest paying teams are getting the best players now. This is one of the reasons Saban said he left college football as Alabama which known for great teams isn't known for having a Billionaire backing the schools sports.
FYI, that podcast had those players lamenting about how much players got in current NIL compared to the under the table money they received in their time.
@bobschacklford7416Big Ten 33 to SEC 28 nattys. SEC had an amazing run but it was a short blimp. That run is as relevant as the old Big 8 dominance to today’s landscape.
@bobschacklford7416because of unfair access nothing more
B1G has a 26 year drought in basketball championships right now. But who cares ! IU is college footballs kings right now and thats all that matters !!!!!! Hoo Hoo Hoosiers !!!!
My team is is. The SEC, even including my team, I honestly want the Big 12 and ACC to step up too. The sport needs parity. The Big 10 streak is definitely helping balance and take some power away from the blue and gold
Acc went 8-6 vs the sec they are already above them
Average number of ranked opponents in 2025 - SEC (5.8), Big 10 (3.9), Big 12 (3.2), ACC (3.1). I find it hard to care about the National Championship.
Why is there even a “ power 2 “ conference? I am a diehard fan of The Ohio State University “ and the big ten minus Wichigan. But this advertisement pushes the “ 2 power conferences “ to making more money and pushing everyone else down. Like government the 1 percenters and the rest of us!!!! Stop letting ESPN dictate who should be the top!!!!
Sec went 2-8 in bowl season can you talk about that
Acc 16-17
Big12 14-9
B1G 13-9
Pac12 0-8
SEC 13-13
Maybe do the whole season and show how everyone was mid all year against each other. Bowl Season is the most re re snap shot since opt outs. It's not a true example of a team.
While the t-sips won't sniff a title this season, if they did with your scenario, what will never be heard is garbage like "you just won a down conference this year" with the implication that it does not matter. I know for a fact that this very statement will be applied to Texas A&M (tu's DADDY) when the Aggies finally do win the title.
Because of the timing Georgia and Texas have very good shots.
But Oregon. IU. Ohio state. Are right back there again. And USC could crash the party. Michigan could crash the party.
Forget about the SEC getting to the championship game. They need one of their teams other than Texas to actually win a game against another P4/Independent team in the playoffs first 🤣
Wouldn’t the big10 need to match or least come close to the SEC dominance before you could even float the idea that they’ve overtaken them??? Or does two in a row just wipe out multiple decades of dominance and many years in a row with multiple SEC teams even accomplishing the back to back… sounds a bit incoherent to me
If you all are basing conference power off of national championship apperances/wins.........then ALL of the other conferences have MUCH catching up to do.
Lol why is everyone so concerned about the SEC? 🤔
Because the bias hurts the sport and has for far too long
They got these podcasters doing the SEC shuffle just to keep them afloat 💀🤡
The TV ratings say they are doing fine. They've been the most watched teams for the past several decades. They are doing better than just "keeping afloat"
Pretty sure FOX would love to pull just Bama's viewership, let alone adding in Georgia and TX.
if texas doesnt win the title, the sec will do without.
Nebraska to the moon baby
You say 5-10 SEC > 5-10 B1G, but in the bowl games we didnt really see that. Illinois took down tennessee. Iowa took down vanderbilt. Texas did beat michigan but i mean💀
The SEC fanboys just can’t let go and always try and find an excuse. They were so obnoxious the past 20 years it’s nice to seem them get it right back.
Bowl games 😂😂😂
@slimpickens8343okay CFP too. Who has the SEC beat besides themselves, G5, and Texas in their first year barely squeaking by an ASU team yall cried about not belonging?
@CokeBoi6969 Bro theres no point in bringing up bowl games with sec fans, it goes in one ear and out the other. Even though most of the star players for tennessee, vandy, lsu, and texas played. Bowl games ONLY matter for sec teams when they win, otherwise, sec fans just laugh in your face like the comment above when you mention bowls, like theyre some sort of practice scrimmage, ESPECIALLY for the past couple years because of how much the SEC has collectively been getting embarrassed in the postseason.
More sec players are draft year end year out . Since bowl games have become pointless yes a lot of them will opt out if you had a multi million dollar deal on the table are you going to play a game that really adds nothing to your resume ? I mean i hate it as much as the next guy but with the new system its play off or bust
Now that Everyone can Pay players, how did everyone Not know that the Sec was going to suck ass?!?
nobody should be surprised
😂😂
Sec coaches leaving duffel bags of money at hotels, McDonald's bags of cash for recruits 😅😅
the elite teams in the SEC are now Oklahoma and Georgia…rightfully so…DEAL WITH IT!🤬
Josh Pate misses the point here, the SEC was bad not because of National Title setup, they were had because of their bowl-playoff record against other conferences.
And regular season too
@SurferRC actually SEC looked fairly good regular season, that is why they got 4 CFB births. Even bad SEC teams like Auburn and LSU won big OOC games. Post Season was where they flopped
@vol@volbound1700 year cal beat auburn and ok st beat arkansas so the bottom is just as bad amor worse tuan the other p4 bottom. The acc went 8-6 all year vs the sec with no sec team beating anything but a low or mid acc team
@SurferRC Auburn didn't play Cal this year and Arkansas didn't play Oklahoma State. I think you are getting your years mixed up.
@volbound1700i said last year
Next year the sec will
----PAY FOR 14 out of 16 TEAMS TO START IN THE TOP 25
--- PAY TO KEEP 10-11 IN THE 25 ALL YEAR
---PAY TO PROP RANKINGS OF 2-3-4 LOSS SEC TEAMS
----STILL GET 5 AND THIS YEAR MABEY 6 UNDESERVING UNDER PERFORMING SEC TEAMS IN THE SEC PLAYOFFS
----KEEP OUT DESERVING 1 LOSS TEAMS FROM THE SEC PLAYOFFS
-----AND STILL FAIL TO MAKE THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME DESPITE CHEATING PAYING OFF REFS AND COACHES AND A LACKLUSTER SCHEDUAL< WITH THE THREAT OF LEAVING EVEN FALLING FLAT>
THE SEC IS A JOKE SOFT EASY CONFERENCE
SEC is more fun to watch because I just hate every team so much
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I don’t care about the other Conferences. I only watch SEC College Football.
The problem with Winston's question is the a glaring example of one of the problems with CFB, and @joshpate pointed it out. When discussions about toughest conferences come to play, rarely does everyone approach it from a singular criteria. The default of many is that it's based on the number of national titles won. Some add to that argument by saying the number of different teams from a conference whose won the national title matters. I feel there are the P4 conferences and the toughest conference in any given year is determined by a host of factors, with one factor being winning the national title. Other factors would be playing for the national title, head to head match-ups in the regular season, bowl games, and a few others. The reality is each conference has 1-4 teams at the top, followed by the next tier, and as an ACC fan, I would contend that Miami, SMU, L'ville, GT, Clem, FSU and VT, Pitt and UVA can go to to toe with an equivalently ranked team in a different P4 conference. I would also throw in Duke, Wake and Cal and argue that those Teams will beat any third tier team in any of the other P4 conferences. You're probably side-eying my list especially as it relates to Clem, FSU and VT given their recent records, however I will contend that both Clem and FSU have deep strong rosters and you can't pencil in that game as a win. Same for VT, they are always competetive and putting them on the list is based on who I know they'll be starting this year. I can all but guarantee they will be formidable this season. Overall, I think the SEC is the top conference, but only because I do believe they have more, stronger teams at the top in UGA, TX, OK, TA&M, LSU, Bama. Does this mean Ohio State can't beat any or each of them, I don't know. OSU probably can on many Saturdays, but overall I don't think the B1G has as many teams in that Tier. It's OSU, Mich and Oregon and this year you have to throw in IN, but after that there's a drop off.
It takes a real dumbass to think the SEC is no longer an elite conference.
For now, obviously they are elite. But if they keep flailing in the postseason…
Elite wins titles. Great not elite
@DanSchaad elite is competing for titles. The Big 10 and SEC still continuously fill the playoffs with top teams. That’s literally the definition of elite. Competing at the highest level.
@BoatercycleEnthusiast Getting more teams in the CFP doesn't mean they're "competing" any more than other conferences. Actually winning those games and going far in the playoffs proves that.
The SEC is 5-8 with a total of 8 combined teams making it in (3-6 in games not against themselves). The ACC is 3-3 with only 3 teams getting in (3-1 all won by just Miami this year). The ACC has just as many non-conf wins with just Miami's wins this year as the SEC has between those 8 teams. So the SEC as a whole hasn't "competed" any better than Miami alone.
Its below the acc 8-6
Oregon is overrated
Always…
Facts
Who else is tired of Josh being such a SEC Homer? Big 10 is the better the conference he needs to come to reality!
Most of their schools lag behind Big Ten in terms of academics/research output and football is all they have (good reason why southern states produce such poor students compared to the upper Midwest). I do feel bad for them now that they don’t even have football to hang their hat on.
@CokeBoi6969oh wow generalizing and stereotyping people in entire regions of the country. How intellectual and progressive of you
@Bayou_Bandit Sorry facts don't care about your feelings. Reading levels, standardized testing scores, essentially every metric in education is lowest in southern states. It is both a cultural/religious issue as well as a state governance issue.
@CokeBoi6969 I’m not taking info on religion and culture from someone going by cokeboi6969 😂
@bobschacklford7416Don’t have to take it from me take it from our robust data. Attacking the messenger not the argument is a great example of poor logical thinking. Because I have a silly name on RUclips does that change data?
Catholicism, traditional New England/WASP Protestant sects have largely evolved with modern science. There is a strong anti-intellectualism (particularly in STEM fields) in the south tightly related with American evangelism which has permeated both the politics and culture of the South.
SEC is the 2nd best conference right now. Period. Until proven otherwise. And the Big 10 has proven top to bottom to be superior. The under value on the middle and bottom of the Big 10 is the SECs way of trying to cope. PROVE IT. Minnesota is hanging with South Carolina on a neutral site i promise you. Nebraska and Florida would be an great game im in on. Iowa Vanderbilt. Oh we saw that. Iowa is always unspoken about, but put them with Washington Penn St. USC last 2 seasons Michigan. Could go on for a while. TL: DR - Big 10 Era is and has been here now for 3 years and is only gaining momentum.
No acc is better 8-6 proves it
This is so tired… if you want to compare maybe the big 10 should start having competitive schedules
It would take 10 years to stop labeling them a power 2 conference on title wins. Too much talent goes into that league that eventually they will win it all.
The SEC got so used to winning just about every year (and it wasn't just Alabama: from 2006-22, five DIFFERENT SEC teams won national titles and non-SEC teams won a combined total of four titles in that stretch) that now that there's a little bit of slippage, everyone is freaking out. The SEC as a whole is still a top conference (and I say that objectively: I'm a Pac-10 guy.) The two Texas teams (A&M and UT-Austin) both have a legitimate chance this year to win a natty. Georgia isn't going anywhere, and Alabama has patched some of their holes from last year. Actually winning one is a crapshoot, just like with any large single-elimination tournament. The ball's gotta bounce your way a time or two. The SEC will have teams win national championships again, whether it's this year or some other year.
Access is why they won not being better
People seem to forget that the SEC went like 10-2 against power 4 teams the first 2 or 3 weeks of the season.
And then went 4-9 in the postseason, with 3 of those wins being against other SEC teams and 1 group of five team. 1 whole win against a non-SEC power 4 team in 13 tries 😂😂 Turns out the sec just beat up on a bunch of bum power 4 teams like clemson the first couple weeks and then got smacked around when the games mattered most 😂
Yes and FSU beat Bama early in the year. Didn’t appear to be very relevant to those two teams at the latter half of the season.
6-8 vs the sec
The SEC won like 17+ consecutive nattys. The B1G is the conf that's got catching up to do. Stop smoking the new weed.
33 titles to 28. Hopefully that SEC education is able to comprehend 33>28. Good luck catching up to the Big Ten!
When you get 80% more access its easy to win 😂🤡🤦🏼♂️