I have been doing harness fighting since 2009 and have gone through a lot of different helmets and armors. My group started with sallets. They were available, and easy to make safe. From there it would not be until 2016 that we started exploring other armors. Great bascinets, bascinets, bascinet with bevor (a short lived French thing), tournament style great helmets, great bascinet sallet hybrid as seen in the thun sketchbook, armet, etc. and I agree more or less with your opinion on the modern suggestion for practitioners. During some of our classes, we even use open face helmets, for slow work or drills.
I also tried many different helmets over time. I startet HMB and Imcf-Duels and Harischfechten around 2015. I startet with a highmedival Spangenhelm with Facemask. That was totally unsave. After that I tryed great helmets, but the neck wasn't protected. Some unhistorical collars from my videos of the last years show that helmet with the brown collar. Occasionally I tryed a Buhurt optimized Bascinet with chaincollar. The helmet was to heavy! After that I build my own helmet a mix of a closed helmet and great bascinet and the closed helmet of the video.
My favourite helmets are sallets (specifically Italian ones, but the sigismund harness one is beautiful like the rest of the armour). Also love the black sallets of german cavalrymen (very colourful). For something like jousting i love the frogmouth, perhaps a feather or crest on top. Though the great bascinet looks amazing too
I think the sallet had its place, and offered the right balance of comfort / mobility and safety, in the context where it was used (battle). But as you said, it's definitely not for tournaments or dueling.
I really love the Helmet you wear. With the air holes and no slits. Very smart to add the added plates underneath like you did. You said it was inspired by old fencing tournament armor? Very smart!! Thank you for this video!
I agree with your assessment of helmets, very sensible and informed, matches my own assessment. I favour the sallet/bevor combination but only because our fighting system limits degree and severity of head hits. I would definitely upgrade to a great bassinet for greater protection and reserve the wallet for field use.
I love the sallet but I can 100% agree it's not the safest for a 1v1 heavy armor duel. Its strengths lie in its versatility of wear, which is fantastic for battlefields where you might be fighting for hours, but as cavalry, or in a tournament, there are definitely safer options.
@@dequitem yes I believe so. The sallet is too open. I want something that covers the color bone/neck and has airholes on the face and still protect my nose and face. Not a fan of face being exposed or neck .
there are ways to make a sallet more tournament appropriate. like strapping over your bevor, or doing a bellows type sallet or a sallet with an integral bevor. a sallet is great and versatile, just not as inherently protective as some other helmets.
@@TheDragorin i really appreciate you mentioning what you stated. I was starting to think about that only thing is I'm not learned in regards to armor. I am entry level rookie beginner. Sallet helmet is the only helmet that i remember it's name and styles (one piece or two piece. I prefer one piece .) so I still need to learn a lot more about armor. For instance, i am very interested in the parts of armor that protect lower arms (elbow down), lower legs (knee down), chest back and in particular the area around the neck collar bone and face. I am a volunteer in Santa Clarita that goes around helping the Poor and Homeless. I require light armor but but not a lot so as to have less weight and mover ability. I've been attacked quite a number of times and having armor has saved my life but they broke as a result since they were plastics
So basically, sallets are more practical on actual battlefield where long term stamina, the ability to make yourself heard, and improved visibly were required, but provided the poorest defense in tournaments or duels including modern buhurt? Makes sense.
I think he meant, "poorest" of full armor, since the top and bottom isn't connected, and not rigid, yes, it's better then not having neck and lower face protection, but it isn't great in defence when compared to other types of helmets.
@@stefthorman8548 There are some sallets I have seen where the bevor and helm are actually connected almost like a close helm. It seems very protective.
I really love your full plate harness and the helmet the you are showing using on your duels. Looks to me like a bascinet with a visor but nevertheless the full armor kit looks really cool and also protective on all the parts that count!
The only way i would wear a sallet for buhurt is a late period 'close sallet', where the bevor is locked to the sallet, and is basically a close helm that looks like a sallet.
But even that helmet has some disadvantages in safety combare to other closed helmets, especially against thrust. Yes in Buhurt thrusts are not allowed, but it wouldn't be the first time that I see a wolfrip helmet fail!
I feel like it would be a fun engineering project to try and make a helmet that's a good all-rounder for this type of stuff or make armor for the neck that's flexible but more protective than chainmail.
i will live and die by my modified frogmouth helmet "it has a small checkered pattern of slits on each side of the helm that go from my chin to the midline of the cheek"
How much can you still see with the helmet we see around 3:20 on you? It looks like you cant see much but you still fight great in it. Im thinking about getting one like that in the future maybe. :)
i have a 120° field of view. Thats ok. Somethimes, when i try to use my shoulder as a shield in polearm fights or try to use the wrathguard its hard to see my opponent but for everything other ist enough. Beeing in the helmet can be claustrophobic, its dark in the helmet, because less light is coming throw the holes. But i love the helmet!
What are you opinios on doing 16th century harnischfechten and the lack of openings in the later armors (gorget, voiders of plate, hoguine, codpiecd, etc.)
Yes that is sometimes difficult. I myself have chosen some pieces of armor that have gaps and openings that the opponent can use. This is not good for me, but it makes the battles more interesting. Duels in completely closed armor often end in wrestling with a dagger, this is fine for me, but makes the whole prelude with the sword sometimes questionable and in my videos is just stretched for the viewers without it really being relevant. However, it is more complicated to do harness fencing with 13th century armor, because the chain mail can be vulnerable to everything but not necessarily, you never know if you should count a hit or not.
Can you provide the source and date of the historical art depicting your perforated helmet at 4:20 of the video? Do you have any other historical sources for that helmet?
What do you think about the closed salets (salet + bevor intergrated at the visor hinge) with steel perforated plate behind the visor, like what Tom Biliter and Jake Norwood use?
why dont people make helmets that attach to the torso like a great basketnet but dont tighten the neck so its more like a cage for the head attached to the chestplate letting you move your head around perfectly fine. then just put a bunch of little holes in the general front?
I’m looking into getting some armor. I’m drawn to the arm street armor lines (I don’t have access to any local blacksmiths so online shops are my only way in to this world) they are very beautiful armors but I’m curious if I should be looking into places that focus on selling simpler armors specifically for things like buhurt? I’m not interested especially in buhurt itself I’m much more drawn to the style of sparring you do but I feel I’ll wind up mixing in with buhurt people if I end up getting into this. Long story short, what are your opinions on getting armor through arm street specifically and also just generally any online retailers you might recommend for armor?
Exept the helmets, Buhurt armors are a very good choice in my opinion! The more expensive stuff from armstreet looks okay, the cheap stuff doesn't look like you would feel good in it, but I don't have experience with them.
Do you have any smith recommendations for the helmets you are using? I am currently using a sallet and bevor with the sallet strapped over the bevor to keep the mouth closed but want something more safer like yours.
I've been looking for a helmet, but my region is very humid and hot. Last summer we bad 44 degree Celsius days with 80+ percent humidity. Ive tried sallets before but hate how they cut lower vision off. Would an armet be a better option? Hard to find a good one.
It's okay, it's better than most helmets, but the visor slight have to be very narrow!!! I realy like perforated visors from great bascinets, armets and closed helmets more.
None of these, clearly the best is one with an open face. Nothing as bad as not being able to breath in battle (I've passed out wearing the helmet on the right of this video in Buhurt, to small holes, I breath too much of my own CO2) Open face doesn't matter, you only need the nose bridge. You'd have to be savage to stab someone in the face, and anyway, you'd have to be accurate. Any helmet with an open face and nose cover (I currently do Buhurt with an open-faced helmet with a nose bridge. Less suffocation, less almost passing out and then opening the visor to find it covered with saliva)
@dequitem Not that work particularly well when you need to move large volumes of air, and also sometimes you forget these things when you are opposing some guy about to hit you on the head with an axe. Also, you get much better visiblity with an open-faced helmet.
And before you say I need more training on my breathing techniques, I have done Buhurt for 10 years and MMA for 12, and I am in very good shape. My techniques are fine, and really this video should have had a comparison with an open-faced helmet. Most of the time I can do fine in any helmet with breaths even if I lose my breath a bit, but in sustained fights an open-faced helmet is just plain better.
Man, you really never know when you are about to go down a medieval fencing rabbit hole.
Man I felt that blow at 3:10 - I'll be showing my teammates that clip about why collars and gorgets are a must!
😅 He wear a plate collar. Without he would be dead!
I have been doing harness fighting since 2009 and have gone through a lot of different helmets and armors. My group started with sallets. They were available, and easy to make safe. From there it would not be until 2016 that we started exploring other armors. Great bascinets, bascinets, bascinet with bevor (a short lived French thing), tournament style great helmets, great bascinet sallet hybrid as seen in the thun sketchbook, armet, etc. and I agree more or less with your opinion on the modern suggestion for practitioners.
During some of our classes, we even use open face helmets, for slow work or drills.
I also tried many different helmets over time. I startet HMB and Imcf-Duels and Harischfechten around 2015. I startet with a highmedival Spangenhelm with Facemask. That was totally unsave. After that I tryed great helmets, but the neck wasn't protected. Some unhistorical collars from my videos of the last years show that helmet with the brown collar. Occasionally I tryed a Buhurt optimized Bascinet with chaincollar. The helmet was to heavy! After that I build my own helmet a mix of a closed helmet and great bascinet and the closed helmet of the video.
have you tried burgonets and burgonets with bevors? they always seemed pretty practical to me, though they are more late period medieval.
Great bassinet sallet hybrid?
My favourite helmets are sallets (specifically Italian ones, but the sigismund harness one is beautiful like the rest of the armour). Also love the black sallets of german cavalrymen (very colourful). For something like jousting i love the frogmouth, perhaps a feather or crest on top. Though the great bascinet looks amazing too
I realy love great bascinets. ;)
Your profile picture is so good man, cheers!
@@snipercomrade3059 haha thanks! got it from a video from todd's workshop
Finally, I found the perfect video. I was drawing knight anatomy and practicing sketching, thanks alot to you man.
For someone aspiring to get into this Hobby someday, this was quite helpfull. Would like to see more videos covering other aspects of the gear :)
I think the sallet had its place, and offered the right balance of comfort / mobility and safety, in the context where it was used (battle). But as you said, it's definitely not for tournaments or dueling.
I clicked on this video under the hopes that you would speak highly of the Sallet Helmet. My favorite. Still, I loved your video!!! Great job!!
Sorry.
closed sallet bro , closed sallet
@@hankj.wimbleton_gamer-madn2412 still to much to open, to much fail potential.
Great hair! You look good in the armor and out of it!
:D thanks.
Closed Helmets are my preferences. Your helmet design & maybe griffon design from armorsmith are the best looking ones.
Houndskull bascinet is an absolute monstrocity to see with blood and guts on it
I really love the Helmet you wear. With the air holes and no slits. Very smart to add the added plates underneath like you did. You said it was inspired by old fencing tournament armor? Very smart!! Thank you for this video!
fashion before safety! choose the coolest one!
If u wanna do harness fencing, than definitely choose the safest... that is the closest!
@@dequitemAre you guys using Real Swords or Hema Swords?
@@YigitEfe_ Hema swords (Feder)
@Bo's Workshop In the end, isn't that all that matters?
Knights will always look epic no matter what they wear.
Came here because of Metatron and his reaction to you and this video. Subbed for the content. 😊
Thank you very much!
I agree with your assessment of helmets, very sensible and informed, matches my own assessment. I favour the sallet/bevor combination but only because our fighting system limits degree and severity of head hits. I would definitely upgrade to a great bassinet for greater protection and reserve the wallet for field use.
I love the sallet but I can 100% agree it's not the safest for a 1v1 heavy armor duel. Its strengths lie in its versatility of wear, which is fantastic for battlefields where you might be fighting for hours, but as cavalry, or in a tournament, there are definitely safer options.
Man, i cannot get enough of this video. You really did a great job! I dont even want to buy a Sallet Helmet anymore!!
Interested in a great bascinet or closed helmet instead?
@@dequitem yes I believe so. The sallet is too open. I want something that covers the color bone/neck and has airholes on the face and still protect my nose and face. Not a fan of face being exposed or neck .
there are ways to make a sallet more tournament appropriate. like strapping over your bevor, or doing a bellows type sallet or a sallet with an integral bevor. a sallet is great and versatile, just not as inherently protective as some other helmets.
@@TheDragorin i really appreciate you mentioning what you stated. I was starting to think about that only thing is I'm not learned in regards to armor. I am entry level rookie beginner. Sallet helmet is the only helmet that i remember it's name and styles (one piece or two piece. I prefer one piece .) so I still need to learn a lot more about armor. For instance, i am very interested in the parts of armor that protect lower arms (elbow down), lower legs (knee down), chest back and in particular the area around the neck collar bone and face. I am a volunteer in Santa Clarita that goes around helping the Poor and Homeless. I require light armor but but not a lot so as to have less weight and mover ability. I've been attacked quite a number of times and having armor has saved my life but they broke as a result since they were plastics
So basically, sallets are more practical on actual battlefield where long term stamina, the ability to make yourself heard, and improved visibly were required, but provided the poorest defense in tournaments or duels including modern buhurt? Makes sense.
not the "poorest defense" but pretty poor. there are plenty of less protective helmets out there.
I think he meant, "poorest" of full armor, since the top and bottom isn't connected, and not rigid, yes, it's better then not having neck and lower face protection, but it isn't great in defence when compared to other types of helmets.
@@stefthorman8548 There are some sallets I have seen where the bevor and helm are actually connected almost like a close helm. It seems very protective.
Thanks my brother
I really love your full plate harness and the helmet the you are showing using on your duels. Looks to me like a bascinet with a visor but nevertheless the full armor kit looks really cool and also protective on all the parts that count!
Great stuff as always dude!
Nice to see u in my comments!
I love the pronunciation ''Baskenjet'' xD
That's pur german accent.
The only way i would wear a sallet for buhurt is a late period 'close sallet', where the bevor is locked to the sallet, and is basically a close helm that looks like a sallet.
But even that helmet has some disadvantages in safety combare to other closed helmets, especially against thrust. Yes in Buhurt thrusts are not allowed, but it wouldn't be the first time that I see a wolfrip helmet fail!
Thank you
Extremely valuable Insight
Take care my friend
Fantastic video !
Absolutely brilliant my friend great video love it thank you 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Very interesting perspective!
I feel like it would be a fun engineering project to try and make a helmet that's a good all-rounder for this type of stuff or make armor for the neck that's flexible but more protective than chainmail.
Like my helmets?
@@dequitem Yes I do
awesome bro keep going!
I will!
Bassinet helms are great options, i like sugarloafs.
great content
Thanks.
i will live and die by my modified frogmouth helmet "it has a small checkered pattern of slits on each side of the helm that go from my chin to the midline of the cheek"
A „Schaller“ is called „Sallet“ in english btw
love the video!
Thanks. I hope it helps people buying the right armor for swordfight!
@Dequitem not my kink but a lot of very useful info in the video. If i was looking for an armor set, i would know what to chose :) Great job!
Where are all my hounskull brothers at
How much can you still see with the helmet we see around 3:20 on you? It looks like you cant see much but you still fight great in it. Im thinking about getting one like that in the future maybe. :)
i have a 120° field of view. Thats ok. Somethimes, when i try to use my shoulder as a shield in polearm fights or try to use the wrathguard its hard to see my opponent but for everything other ist enough. Beeing in the helmet can be claustrophobic, its dark in the helmet, because less light is coming throw the holes. But i love the helmet!
@@dequitem that sounds nice. Where did you get it from?
@@esselt1267 I build it by my own!
May I ask where you get your armour? Your videos inspire me a lot but I don't seem to find good armour manufacturers online...
Which armorers made your helmets? Your Armets are beautiful
I build the helmet by myself.
@@dequitem Absolutely stunning. Great work
I love the design of the Frogmouth helmet. I wanted you to make a video about it. 🐸
Sorry it's only useful for jousting.
@@dequitem I know, I've read a lot about frogmouth but wouldn't it be possible to make a video about frogmouth?
Very cool thank you.
Can confirm, Armet is best.
dont care if i cant see and get my shit rocked, im picking the coolest armour
Love these video's......
3:08 This... was very scary oh my Lord. Did it cut? If it was only midly deeper... thats the exact side of his neck in wich the jugular is in.
He was fine, only a bruise.
@@dequitem Thank good. Great channel, glad to see it going, the sparring looks really cool.
I suggest you write down the name of the helmets in the video as it´s hard to understand from the audio if you´re not familiar with the terms.
Next time. Thanks for your advice.
Damn that neck thrust
What are you opinios on doing 16th century harnischfechten and the lack of openings in the later armors (gorget, voiders of plate, hoguine, codpiecd, etc.)
Yes that is sometimes difficult. I myself have chosen some pieces of armor that have gaps and openings that the opponent can use. This is not good for me, but it makes the battles more interesting. Duels in completely closed armor often end in wrestling with a dagger, this is fine for me, but makes the whole prelude with the sword sometimes questionable and in my videos is just stretched for the viewers without it really being relevant.
However, it is more complicated to do harness fencing with 13th century armor, because the chain mail can be vulnerable to everything but not necessarily, you never know if you should count a hit or not.
Can you provide the source and date of the historical art depicting your perforated helmet at 4:20 of the video? Do you have any other historical sources for that helmet?
sorry, i meant the perforated helmet at 4:22 of the video
@@mattvallaris5047 Hans Talhoffer: First Manuscript - Armored Dueling, Wolfenbüttler version (1465-80).
wiktenauer.com/wiki/Hans_Talhoffer
I think the sallet is a good multi functional helmet!
It is! But it's not the safest helmet for short and intens fights.
@@dequitem I have a relaiv Cheap salet i think i can good use my ears with it!
I think this could be a advantage in Battle!
@@killerkraut9179 in battle yes... But not in a duel!
@@dequitem Maybe depends on the Duel!
Maybe in Skirmish it would benifitial as well
the Sallet!
well done :)
What about a closed sallet where the bevor is attached to the helmet?
Better but not optimal.
What do you think about the closed salets (salet + bevor intergrated at the visor hinge) with steel perforated plate behind the visor, like what Tom Biliter and Jake Norwood use?
They are good, but worse than a great bascinet or closed helmet/armet.
you got a link for your helmets?
why dont people make helmets that attach to the torso like a great basketnet but dont tighten the neck so its more like a cage for the head attached to the chestplate letting you move your head around perfectly fine. then just put a bunch of little holes in the general front?
Would be to big and heavy
@@dequitem fair, I still feel like there could be ways to help with the weight
I’m looking into getting some armor. I’m drawn to the arm street armor lines (I don’t have access to any local blacksmiths so online shops are my only way in to this world) they are very beautiful armors but I’m curious if I should be looking into places that focus on selling simpler armors specifically for things like buhurt? I’m not interested especially in buhurt itself I’m much more drawn to the style of sparring you do but I feel I’ll wind up mixing in with buhurt people if I end up getting into this. Long story short, what are your opinions on getting armor through arm street specifically and also just generally any online retailers you might recommend for armor?
Exept the helmets, Buhurt armors are a very good choice in my opinion!
The more expensive stuff from armstreet looks okay, the cheap stuff doesn't look like you would feel good in it, but I don't have experience with them.
@ thank you for the insight! I will definitely take it into consideration once I am ready to start collecting my pieces.
Do you have any smith recommendations for the helmets you are using? I am currently using a sallet and bevor with the sallet strapped over the bevor to keep the mouth closed but want something more safer like yours.
I forged it myself but art of steel is a good smith
The closest historical helmet to yours would be a bicoque :) its an armet but im sure at some point someone made a closed helmet version
Thats a sub ❤😊
I've been looking for a helmet, but my region is very humid and hot. Last summer we bad 44 degree Celsius days with 80+ percent humidity. Ive tried sallets before but hate how they cut lower vision off. Would an armet be a better option? Hard to find a good one.
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Very cool
What’s the helmet on the left in the thumbnail?
Closed helmet.
@@dequitemwell that’s wrong because if I asked what’s the one on the left it will still be closed helmet
Where do you get your equipment from?
Mostly forged myself.
Oh wow! That’s really cool
Where did you get the padded Great-helm?
I buy the helmet from an Czech smith and padded it by myself.
@@dequitem Could you please provide the name of the smith or how to contact them? Thanks.
Where can I get a closed helmet
Do you think a closed sallet would be good for harnischfechten?
It's okay, it's better than most helmets, but the visor slight have to be very narrow!!!
I realy like perforated visors from great bascinets, armets and closed helmets more.
@@dequitem ah ok I see, thanks for the input!
How expensive is armor like yours now?
It's around 20.000 Euro if you don't forge it yourself, like I did.
ok but which one do I need to survive Frankfurter Bahnhofsviertel?
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None of these, clearly the best is one with an open face. Nothing as bad as not being able to breath in battle (I've passed out wearing the helmet on the right of this video in Buhurt, to small holes, I breath too much of my own CO2) Open face doesn't matter, you only need the nose bridge. You'd have to be savage to stab someone in the face, and anyway, you'd have to be accurate. Any helmet with an open face and nose cover (I currently do Buhurt with an open-faced helmet with a nose bridge. Less suffocation, less almost passing out and then opening the visor to find it covered with saliva)
What. I never passed out. There are breathing techniques for that.
@dequitem Not that work particularly well when you need to move large volumes of air, and also sometimes you forget these things when you are opposing some guy about to hit you on the head with an axe. Also, you get much better visiblity with an open-faced helmet.
And before you say I need more training on my breathing techniques, I have done Buhurt for 10 years and MMA for 12, and I am in very good shape. My techniques are fine, and really this video should have had a comparison with an open-faced helmet. Most of the time I can do fine in any helmet with breaths even if I lose my breath a bit, but in sustained fights an open-faced helmet is just plain better.
Why is it called harness fencing?
It's from German called Harnischfechten and means technical fighting in full plate armor.