If Attila had the same post-launch support as Rome 2 it would currently be one of the most successful titles, in my opinion. This is why CA should never give up on a title.
Question is for Melkor AND Terminator. I have about 1,700+ hours into this title, and I can say it is fantastic. The mods are great and if your PC is decent, it runs just fine and looks amazing. 1212AD is by far one of the best achievements of the Total War moding community. Props to all involved. Do you think it is beyond CA to support this game now, all these years later? Or do you think that is a possibility for them to update and revisit?
@@MelkorGG Rome 2 is still Broken and was never fixed no matter how many patches or DLC it had. Attila besides Optimisation is in all honesty one of the Best TW games for the Last 10 years on par with Shogun 2. Attila just needed 3 More DLCs themed around the Rise of Christianity and the Rise of Islam and an Nomadic culture pack.
Love it or hate it, Attila is still a masterpiece. It feels so satisfying to beat WRE campaign with so many hardshipa to endure. Defending your borders to the last from 2-3 full stacks of barbarian invaders, sacrifice your treasury and taxes to keep your cities happy and hoping not to rebel and so many hardships you need to defend your realm. Its the best campaign experience in any TW game so far but thats my opinion 😄
I had to mod Attila's difficulty and mechanics into Rome 2 as best as I could because it's that good. Attila would be S-tier if it had good performance.
In that case try the Europa Barbarorum submods, going as Julian the Apostate with a single army against LOADS of invading Germanic/migrations factions was one of my most difficult campaigns I ever played (and I played practically every hard mod).
my slavs campaign started with full fledged war on turn 5 or 6 with islamic conglomerate of vassals on the east, while the west suffered from hunns-- turn 15- message about erased western rome, turn 40- Bysantia fall, turn 75- scandinavians becomes eastern roman vassals, turn 90 hunns nevertheless slayed vikings... the europe fell theres nothing(!) between me and Ireland. turn 100- hunnic invasion. I ve got like 15 regions from eastern europe all the way to the Caspian sea. turn 115- I have 3 regions near Caspian see called great schytia everything other is scorched, what actually stopped the hunns more then military defeats....So now Caspian region is a "neighbour" for Ireland, since everything else was destroyed. afterwards I reached like 70 regions claiming all islamic territories and retrieving my destroyed regions but the game thinks I still can't win because I grew to big and haven't conquered west... While there's only desert there... So the campaign goals also succs.
For real, I have like 4x the hours on Atilla. Easily my favorite of the games, the utter desperation and frustration of a WRE empire campaign has such an amazing payoff. When you finally manage stability it feels like you truly earned it.
Total War: Attila actually inspired me to write my Masters Thesis and now PhD dissertation on the subject of Attila and why the Romans saw him as the bringer of the apocalypse. Surprisingly, the game got a lot of its history right. CA nailed the theme and atmosphere in the game. My favorite Total War since Rome 1.
@@zlatinalexandrov102 Not quite, but getting closer. Should start writing the dissertation in the next couple of months. So maybe another year or so in total.
What captures me the most from Attila is the music theme at the menu start. I thought it was one of the best menu music for Total War ( not at as good as Med 2 or Rome 1 and 2) but still very good
Dude, and some of the music for the campaign screen too. Look up "Winter's Bard". Literally some of the best campaign map music for a Total War game imo.
Having to "kill" him 3 times before he actually dies is pretty ridiculous. I sacrificed one of my best generals to take him down for good because the huns were out of control.
CA should have waited one more year before releasing Attila, aside from the technical aspects a bit more of an artistic difference would have gone a long way to show that this game was not an overpriced DLC for Rome 2 as many people thought back then
True, I mean artistically I think it did a decent job of being different, but I can see where some similarities lie. Mainly for the technical point for me they should have waited a bit more.
I myself never understood why Attila wasn't accepted or even updated as much by the devs like Rome 2 was. I immediately fell in love with it from the get-go and played it countless times. Even without mods I enjoyed it (though later getting a few). I've got over 2,600 hrs. on it and will continue to play it for years to come, recommending it to everyone I meet who's a Total War fan at all. And now, you've given me this video to explain not only why people ignored it, but to offer an answer to that criticism. Dude. Thank you for saying all this jazz.
Aww mate it’s my pleasure, love Atilla to bits glad to see others who have enjoyed it as I have. If only CA gave it as much love as they did for Rome 2
Im in the middle of a intense western Rome game I'm at this moment only firmly holding Italy southern France and North Africa while the rest of my one Glorious empire is burning,rebelling or in complete chaos all though I was able to hold onto my vital territories there's still a sense of dread coming from the huns as you notice them migrate through while you are already struggling trying just to survive and recoquer your territory and kill off the Germanic people to ready yourself for the hunnic onslaught Attila power projects the huns so well as something to really make you dread or fear them and my pc runs the game flawlessly so it is really nice by far one of my favorites besides shogun 2 that will always be my number 1 but Attila is by far a close second
@@GooseGumlizzard I have played Attila, empire and Napoleon a LOT. I have played Warpath, Thrones of Brittania, and Shogun 2 some. I like Atilla the best, by far. It is even more like multiple games in one, than Empire, with so many ways to play, and having to learn a large variety of styles depending on which type of faction, where it is located, and what type of victory you are trying for...
I remember playing Attila when I was on 30 day leave from the Army. I remember vividly landing in my homestate and it was snowing hard. As soon as I booted Attila, the main menu soundtrack hit me. I was jiving! Played as Franks, and it was a blast. My favorite Total War game yet. I love it!
When you kill people in a computer game, you cause much less harm than killing people in real life. I suggest you spend more time on computer games and less on making wars for corporate greed. You could try being a conscientious objector, like the great Muhammad Ali, and Mike Prysner, etc..
Attila was the first game where you could light things on fire. Like, if the AI decides to fight a battle in the trees you can just ignite the entire forest. Such a shame that they removed that (and many other) feature from Warhammer. It is luckily back in Three Kingdoms though :) Great video. Attila is one of my favorite Total War games. Right now I am a bit in love with all the mechanics and systems in Three Kingdoms. Otherwise I would say Attila is probably the best game in the entire franchise. But you have to be a bit of a masochist to enjoy it :P
@@heirofwesteros yo I’m playing the game and still wanna learn about this. Is this referring to the campaign mechanic of razing and burning a region or is there any battle mechanic also allowing for fires in the forests???
@@someone1949 I didn’t play Attila too much, but I totally didn’t notice it. Maybe it’s because I barely use fire arrows. Does the fire spread, or is it an individual animation if a tree happens to catch fire?
I remember when i launched Attila first time....the main menu theme song captivated and scared me a little bit...i started my playthrough as ERE...I loved barbarian invasion so i thought it ll be a piece of cake on very hard difficulty....Boy i was so wrong....i thought about expanding to the east having a peace with the huns and having cleared the balkan border i was very confident...then climate change, Attila's rise on power and ten stacks of sassanid armies in anatolia happened....of course it was a dead end...amazing and very nicely atmospheric game
Attila remains to this day as my most Favourite Total War. It's a crime they haven't given one last patch to fix the optimization issues and fix some texture bugs in the South East Desert region and fix some last family tree bugs.
Attila was the first total war I played and I love it♥️ Mate, you really have to talk about the mod age of justinian 555 AD. I personally played a lot of mods for Attila. Ancient empires, 1212 kingdoms, age of vikings, etc, etc but 555 is for me, the best of all. Give it a try!!! 🍻
I agree that Charlemagne is criminally underrated. I loved it! I how it gives you more freedom to achieve victory your way. You can be an aggressive conqueror or you could focus on developing your own culture. Rome 2 gave Military, Economic and Cultural victory options. But only Military could be achieved easily while Economic victory was impossible
Atilla is my favorite Total War. I love the time period and slugging it out as the WRE was the most satisfying campaign I’ve had. Don’t have the stones to try it on legendary, but finally defeating Atilla and his doom stacks after desperately trying to keep what remained of the empire together was a fantastic experience. 1212 adds a whole other flavor as well as the other mods.
Thxs! With Attila i had my first proper TW experience. Ive played all the campaings and DLCs several times. I remember staying long nights with the inmersive music. Really hoping for next historical TW! I experience the same as you in my first campaing, i had absolute no chance against the huns. Cities under siege against 3 hordes... I got nostalgic
Looking back at this it's easy to remember why I felt so let down by the original Warhammer in 2016. With Attilla it felt like CA was finally getting it right, the world felt so real and... consequential.
Charlemagne was kind of unfairly reviewed back in the day because Attila still had many launch problems, people were still bitter about Rome 2 and many were waiting for news for the yet to release TW Warhammer. Quite a shame if you ask me
Attila is my most played total war ever,i have even level 5 Gold badge on steam.TOP 1 thing that i really really like is UI ,the colors and pictures it feels perfect for my taste.And Ancient Empires on attila is great also.
Got the game and learning it along with the 1212 AD mod. It brings Rome II to a whole new level! I can see this is going to take a long time to figure out.
Playing as Huns and Goths is fun too. I like most Suebi, Alans, Vandals and Visigoths...... The Desert DLC is a completely new experience of the same game. I recommend it all.
Of the historical TW's Attila is my absolute favourite, and I think it is better when NOT playing as the Huns but as the Huns' victims. One thing I like that wasn't mentioned in the video is the way the story is told in the poem (or bible verse?) that is told in part in every new chapter: 'Let them bathe in the warmth of the sun, for they are the righteous, the faithful, the strong.'
I LOVE LOVE LOVE your content! Finally good historical content! Attila is such a masterpiece. Now, we do need a, official Bronze Age full title (Troy was a taste, now scrap it, and make an historical title on the scale of Rome II).
This certainly explains why Atilla feels so much more difficult than Medieval 2. I only just gave Atilla a try, and was surprised by how much more complicated and refined it is than the two Medievals, but how can I possibly expand like I'm used to in the face of those Huns? I guess I can't.
Fall of the Eagles is the mod to play if you still want to keep within the dark ages time period. I like ancient empires as well, but it definitely still has to be worked on as far as some of the minor factions. If I want to head into antiquity, I play Rome 2 just for the immersion. If there was a way to port the dialogue between games, so you could add Rome 2, or Medieval 2 voice acting into Attila, that would be amazing.
Attila has been my favourite TW game since it came out, I remember starting my first campaign as WRE and the feeling of exhaustion in having to carefully deal with waves of barbarians. Then when you think you’ve got an even footing, the climate gets worse and there’s plagues … then Attila turns up and you’re just sinking. I can see why some people didn’t like it, but I liked being rewarded for being patient and precise with my decisions. The mods on this game are outstanding - Medieval 1212 is by far my favourite, the work that’s gone into it is unbelievable and puts CA to shame
A similar setting in the future can be the Bronze Age collapse, maybe call it Total War: Apocalypse. The great empires had fallen and international trade was lost. Egypt was divided but surviving. Assyria and Babylon settled to protect their borders. The Hittites fractured into small states. The Sea Peoples rampages throughout the Mediterranean. Meanwhile, the Dorians pushed into Greece, and small tribal societies like Israel and Edom challenged the settled princes of Canaan for a home. It could recreate what Attila was while adding some new elements like perhaps grazing land if you're a nomadic faction, raids and skirmishes, rediscovery of lost knowledge, etc. This setting can be a spiritual successor to Troy as well.
the last real TW imo....and very underrated true. Also it has a great OST. The only issue is the performance besides that it's a fantastic game. Tbh I was a bit disappointed after CA revealed that they're working on Attila and not on Medieval III.:-)
I haven't really played the base yet game, only bought Atilla for the mods but I really love the city razing mechanic. I remember playing Med2 and finding that once you get to the late basically every region is a fully developed huge city and it was so dull. I really like the idea of playing a small out of the way nation and just surviving until I can start rebuilding a demolished Europe
So far. My favorite Total war is Shogun 2 because of good battle and sieges. After Shogun 2, most of it were lacking (Rome, Warhammer, Three Kingdoms). Attila is the only execption. The siege and battle are very enjoyable
My PC ran it fine and I think it’s one of the greatest games of all time. Then again, I love Thrones. The dark ages are just my favorite historical period
Attila is one of my favourite TW games (and I played literally them ALL, starting with Shogun1). But not vanilla campaign, which has some terrible "mechanics" (auto-spawning Huns, winter is coming, ridiculous upgrades etc). Yet DLCs and mods are excellent.
those "terrible mechanics" were what was actually happening in europe and it is what makes the campaign one of survival rather than just a reskinned rome 2 which is what most total war games are.
This is true, I never really considered it, but I really enjoyed britannica, however, Attila has that end game feeling, trying to hold the western roman empire together, whilst the diplomacy recks you along with the barbarians trying to constantly invade, and then... then Attila came, and I hadn't lost a single battle yet, I outnumbered them. But omg, they just come with their morale killing boosts and you're essentially just ruined O.o
Some people think that Attila should have been an expansion for Rome 2 and a lot of their arguments are very solid, but the reason why i think this game not being an expansion was a good idea and why i lament the lack of support is the fact that it tackles a time period we may never see again in TW, not even on a potential Med 3. There were so many cool Dark/early middle ages scenarios left unexplored: the campaigns of Majoran and Heraclius, the rise of Islam, the fall of the Guptas, the English Heptharchy,etc.
Yeah, if a Medieval 3 does happen, I kind of hope it explores more of these areas in flashpoints of time the way 3K would have done. The map repainted, with different factions/units, etc. But agreed I don't think it would have worked as an expansion.
@@sudeshnamukhopadhyay5214 Man i'm a big medieval nerd and so I LOVE me some medieval India, it's a shame the records of some areas there are so obscure. That being say i would kill for a TW set between the rise of Delhi and the creation of the Mughal empire
I love AoC. The closest thing to a Medieval TW game right now. I mean officially. Plus it has the Byzantines, who I like. 1212 is a great mod and I can't wait till it is updated more.
Well liking the Byzantines in 1212 is basically playing medieval Roman Empire, the main focus of both Attila and Rome 2 and 1. So yeah, I also love playing then, reconquering lost lands.
@@filipefernandes870 i have played as both Trebizond and Epirus. I have got to say, playing as Epirus is easier. The units and garrison are simply better.
I am really interested in Atilla! But my craptop says no :( And my pc broke down last year cuz cpu went bye bye But I always was kind of a defensive solo player so this game being about surviving and holding out is kinda my jam
@@charlesmiv3842 I honestly just want stable FPS I already play Shogun 2 on my craptop and get 25/30ish FPS Which is good enough for me to enjoy battles Ironically, Shogun 2 is the most optimized total war game
I agree. The only reason I dont play Attila is that I get 15 fps with the ocasional 20, wich is garbage, while in Rome 2 I get 40 to 50 fps. I wold play Attila a lot more if its performance was better cuz it does have more interesting mechanix and better gamplay.
Everything you said was correct. But I hate seeing my romans get pummeled. It’s almost being the uesugi clan in shogun 2. By the time you survived it has created so much stress that on a personal level I respect hard but not when it becomes more of chore than enjoyment
I've preordered Attila so I had for free the Vikings forefathers DLC. It's my favourite Total War so far but, as you say at the begining, fps drop is a nightmare... I have a Ryzen 5 5600, 32 Gb RAM DDR4 and a RTX 3050 8 gb gaming and still with 8.000+ troops on the battlefield it suffers to be playable...
this is my favorite total war and with 2 different pc's ive never had any performance issues. i love it with and without mods and ive done the horrific challenge of legendary wre and ere campaigns
It's just so dumb that the Huns spawns free armies in one turn. They are such a pain. I gave up on my last campaign as WRE 100 turns in or so after killing like 30 of their armies.
Loved your review Terminator! For several days I searched for a proper strategy game to play with a strong historical accent. But will it work fine with UHD resolution (3840x2160)? I’ve heard complaints that the UI is very small.
@@TheTerminatorGaming I won’t enjoy the game because it is highly likely then it won’t run properly on my modern PC. 😊And CA are not giving a flying fork about their several years old games. Just look at the comments in Steam. Fans are just pissed off with their latest patches.
playing attila rn. in Rome 2 you could just steamrolled everyone (most of the time). In attila with religion pace is slow,you need to rebuild cities (if different religion) from the ground,and its fun. AI still buffed with xyz stack but fun to play. (horses are fast and useful finally)
The old 'painting the map' is a tedious gameplay 'mechanic' that I started to dread. I wish CA would introduce a gameplay option that turns the game into a survival game. Try to keep your faction alive for as long as possible while dealing with other factions as well as random events like those in RimWorld. Ideally those events would also affect the other factions changing the outcome of every playthrough.
Not sure I agree with the Viking invasion thought about Britannia. The Vikings were pillaging. If I recall, their intention wasn't to conquer, but to raid and pillage for plunder.
I think I'm sixty turns into my Ebdanian campaign for Attila, I could be wrong about that but I'm definitely far into it, and I have yet to fight the Huns though I'm shaking in my boots for that moment when I see that they declare war on me.
@@TheTerminatorGaming Amazingly on the battle maps I haven't seen that many FPS issues they're mainly on the campaign map. Probably helps that I'm only using a 1080P monitor lol
I'm 120 turns into my Danish campaign for Charlemagne. It's such a good expansion. Hey, if you stay on the British Isles, you'll probably be safe, seeing as that Attila is allergic to water.
@@charlesmiv3842 Yeah I probably would be safe except I've started expanding into Europe now by taking Rotomagus and Flevum. At the moment however I'm getting massive resistance from a strong Langobard controlled central Europe and Geats and Saxon raids. I just made peace with the Jutes and the Franks not too long ago so I'm slowing lowering the number of enemies I have to deal with. Thank god though the Picts and Caledonians have my back though lol
Attila is probably one of the most well rounded in terms of combat, the issue is they never optimized the game. It lags really bad, and i think it's still 32 bit. Closest thing to Medieval 3 they made though.
This review was actually impressively good. It made me give Attila another shot. I found it a pain in the ass everyone else getting higher tier units before me, almost unplayable
As some one who got burned by rome2 on release day......Attila was the game Rome should have been, however.... you are right most people could not even run the game so. it really didn't matter how good the game play was as most computers could not even run it.
I heard the hate this game got before i bought it a yr ago. I've played 2 campaigns, 1st one on normal and I just started the 2nd on very hard. This game has not disappeared at all. I would recommend it if you are into this type of games
Ngl i was on the QA team for this game when they were making it and other than the optimisation (and at this point standard launch of bugs for modern CA games) it’s best best modern historical TW game by far. It has so many mechanics and refinements that haven’t returned which is a massive shame
I tried so many time to match the feeling with this game, vanilla, 1212, fote, ancient empire: simply the battle mechanics are broken, you can’t lose a battle.
I bought the game so I can play the Kingdoms 1212 mod and it really got me hooked to historical again. The only problem I find is the abundance of buildings that are not that different in their output. Too many buildings to see what is going on and it is just tedious. But I will agree with you that attila is a good game
Rome 2 did come out with game breaking issues-glitches, bugs etc. Then Attila came and gave us what we missed in Rome 2-for example a family tree Even now, 6:00 rome 2 is a civil war simulator-the families even revolt when they have no influence, only one city:D 8:20 actually I think that ancient Empires is the better Rome 2-because for example some cities are looking really great like Carthage, Rome or Sidon. I think Attilas main problem is the same as in Warhammer3-after playing the campaign once, another try feels very similar... But, in Attila you have great mods and dlc campaigns for compensation.
Exept it doesn't. :) Both Empires, Sasanids, small barbarian kingdoms, small eastern kingdoms and hordes - all they play very differently. Different starts, different problems, different neighbours to deal with. Different building sets after all, so every time you change a culture you play for you have to invent new province template. And as horde you don't even have provinces at all! What else do you want?
@@1kvolt1978 Sure, they have different problems.and some ohter mechanics. However, the chapters are similiar. it is always Attila and the ai is not capable to defeat him-in other words-sooner or later you have to face him.
@@AnimeFan-dl4qd Well, I had a campaign where AI actually killed Attila. So it defeated him twice (or more? don't remember how many times you need to wound him to finally kill).
I really loved the management and food aspect of the game. I was able to stabilize quite early in game as WRE, started reconquering everything I lost and then the campaign turned into: Push into new territories and every 3-5 turns fight 4 stacks of Huns in Illyria. Again and again, because AI non-stop spawning full stacks. Then I turned the game off, because it was without any joy, doing the same thing over and over again.
you need to check playthrough for that part. theres a tricky task there you need to do. On average you ll need to destroy 10 stacks to catch the mission. you need to catch the stack with attla 2 times and injure him, if I'm not mistaken.
I average between 60 - 80 FPS on Attila at 1080p max settings. On Rome II I average 165+. Something is just fundamentally wrong from the get go with how Attila was made in terms of maintaining a smooth experience. That aside though, I still play it wayyyy more than Rome. Age of Charlemagne (with the extended units mod) is the real draw for me.
@@ElZilchoYo It's definitely on the higher side, for sure. I had to go into the .ini files to do some memory optimization to get it to those levels though. Before I did all of those adjustments I would get 40 to 60
The reason I fear Huns is that you can't really defeat the Huns until Attila shows up in the battlefield in late game and kill him during battle. Other than that, every time you destory their army, next turn they just respawn more army out of nowhere, just around your cities, and combine with Tier3 units. And my army? They just finfished a bloody battle, need at least 4-6 turns to replenish.
It's weird how some people consider one of the most chaotic time periods in Roman history as boring. Maybe it's that the Roman uniforms aren't as flashy anymore...
If Attila had the same post-launch support as Rome 2 it would currently be one of the most successful titles, in my opinion.
This is why CA should never give up on a title.
Agreed, man all it needed was optimisation.. Such a shame really
Question is for Melkor AND Terminator. I have about 1,700+ hours into this title, and I can say it is fantastic. The mods are great and if your PC is decent, it runs just fine and looks amazing. 1212AD is by far one of the best achievements of the Total War moding community. Props to all involved. Do you think it is beyond CA to support this game now, all these years later? Or do you think that is a possibility for them to update and revisit?
@@avernus3001 I think when Total War Sofia went back to do Rome 2, they could have done Attila stuff then.
Now it's too late.
@@MelkorGG maybe if we wait 15 years we will get Attilla Remastered!
@@MelkorGG Rome 2 is still Broken and was never fixed no matter how many patches or DLC it had. Attila besides Optimisation is in all honesty one of the Best TW games for the Last 10 years on par with Shogun 2. Attila just needed 3 More DLCs themed around the Rise of Christianity and the Rise of Islam and an Nomadic culture pack.
Other total wars: Expand and conquer as your favorite faction.
Atilla: *FEAR*
Love it or hate it, Attila is still a masterpiece. It feels so satisfying to beat WRE campaign with so many hardshipa to endure. Defending your borders to the last from 2-3 full stacks of barbarian invaders, sacrifice your treasury and taxes to keep your cities happy and hoping not to rebel and so many hardships you need to defend your realm. Its the best campaign experience in any TW game so far but thats my opinion 😄
I had to mod Attila's difficulty and mechanics into Rome 2 as best as I could because it's that good. Attila would be S-tier if it had good performance.
@@happycompy haha weird to see you here :D
@@MalayArcher I'm a fellow Terminator enjoyer :).
In that case try the Europa Barbarorum submods, going as Julian the Apostate with a single army against LOADS of invading Germanic/migrations factions was one of my most difficult campaigns I ever played (and I played practically every hard mod).
my slavs campaign started with full fledged war on turn 5 or 6 with islamic conglomerate of vassals on the east, while the west suffered from hunns-- turn 15- message about erased western rome, turn 40- Bysantia fall, turn 75- scandinavians becomes eastern roman vassals, turn 90 hunns nevertheless slayed vikings... the europe fell theres nothing(!) between me and Ireland. turn 100- hunnic invasion. I ve got like 15 regions from eastern europe all the way to the Caspian sea. turn 115- I have 3 regions near Caspian see called great schytia everything other is scorched, what actually stopped the hunns more then military defeats....So now Caspian region is a "neighbour" for Ireland, since everything else was destroyed. afterwards I reached like 70 regions claiming all islamic territories and retrieving my destroyed regions but the game thinks I still can't win because I grew to big and haven't conquered west... While there's only desert there... So the campaign goals also succs.
Attila is probably my favourite total war game, i really like the survival aspect of the game
For real, I have like 4x the hours on Atilla. Easily my favorite of the games, the utter desperation and frustration of a WRE empire campaign has such an amazing payoff. When you finally manage stability it feels like you truly earned it.
shit game, no unit collision
Me too and ı like so much modding this game.
@@Hanno_Berqa the mods are deffinotly amazing, 1212 and age of justinian are awsome
It was also the fact in an old Rome Total War: Barbarian Invasion from ~2004, but i was too young to enjoy it back then.
Me: *installs Attila*
*Mongolian throat singing intensifies*
The theme song slaps.
Yeah great song but Attila was a Hun we were here way before the mongols btw we don’t do that just to let you know, cheers 🍻
@@davefekete7187 where are you from?
Not mongol
@@happycompy it does gives the feel of dying empires and hunnic throat singing
Total War: Attila actually inspired me to write my Masters Thesis and now PhD dissertation on the subject of Attila and why the Romans saw him as the bringer of the apocalypse. Surprisingly, the game got a lot of its history right. CA nailed the theme and atmosphere in the game. My favorite Total War since Rome 1.
did u get your PhD?
@@zlatinalexandrov102 Not quite, but getting closer. Should start writing the dissertation in the next couple of months. So maybe another year or so in total.
@@nathanlandrum8629 wish you luck
@@nathanlandrum8629 .....or so in total (war).
What captures me the most from Attila is the music theme at the menu start.
I thought it was one of the best menu music for Total War ( not at as good as Med 2 or Rome 1 and 2) but still very good
Agreed! ❤️
Dude, and some of the music for the campaign screen too. Look up "Winter's Bard". Literally some of the best campaign map music for a Total War game imo.
That intro music gives me goosebumps every time.
Attila is a fantastic game. My one and ONLY complaint is the fact that the man himself is unkillable until his dying day in the campaign.
Having to "kill" him 3 times before he actually dies is pretty ridiculous.
I sacrificed one of my best generals to take him down for good because the huns were out of control.
I killed him many times. Got to admit, I ain't easy and u need to do it 3 times.
Uhhh I’ve only had to kill him twice idk where you get 3
@@cesaralarcon5228 he probably died one time to the ia
Rare occurence lmao, maybe he tripped on a porcupine@@samuelduchesne5841
CA should have waited one more year before releasing Attila, aside from the technical aspects a bit more of an artistic difference would have gone a long way to show that this game was not an overpriced DLC for Rome 2 as many people thought back then
True, I mean artistically I think it did a decent job of being different, but I can see where some similarities lie. Mainly for the technical point for me they should have waited a bit more.
I myself never understood why Attila wasn't accepted or even updated as much by the devs like Rome 2 was. I immediately fell in love with it from the get-go and played it countless times. Even without mods I enjoyed it (though later getting a few). I've got over 2,600 hrs. on it and will continue to play it for years to come, recommending it to everyone I meet who's a Total War fan at all.
And now, you've given me this video to explain not only why people ignored it, but to offer an answer to that criticism. Dude. Thank you for saying all this jazz.
Aww mate it’s my pleasure, love Atilla to bits glad to see others who have enjoyed it as I have. If only CA gave it as much love as they did for Rome 2
Im in the middle of a intense western Rome game I'm at this moment only firmly holding Italy southern France and North Africa while the rest of my one Glorious empire is burning,rebelling or in complete chaos all though I was able to hold onto my vital territories there's still a sense of dread coming from the huns as you notice them migrate through while you are already struggling trying just to survive and recoquer your territory and kill off the Germanic people to ready yourself for the hunnic onslaught Attila power projects the huns so well as something to really make you dread or fear them and my pc runs the game flawlessly so it is really nice by far one of my favorites besides shogun 2 that will always be my number 1 but Attila is by far a close second
probably because its not fun
@@GooseGumlizzard I have played Attila, empire and Napoleon a LOT. I have played Warpath, Thrones of Brittania, and Shogun 2 some. I like Atilla the best, by far. It is even more like multiple games in one, than Empire, with so many ways to play, and having to learn a large variety of styles depending on which type of faction, where it is located, and what type of victory you are trying for...
I remember playing Attila when I was on 30 day leave from the Army. I remember vividly landing in my homestate and it was snowing hard. As soon as I booted Attila, the main menu soundtrack hit me. I was jiving! Played as Franks, and it was a blast. My favorite Total War game yet. I love it!
I’m trying to get into it and I’m about to take a long leave too. I hope it’s not wasted! 😅
When you kill people in a computer game, you cause much less harm than killing people in real life. I suggest you spend more time on computer games and less on making wars for corporate greed. You could try being a conscientious objector, like the great Muhammad Ali, and Mike Prysner, etc..
@@SimonAshworthWood no one asked
@@SimonAshworthWood bro just went on leave and you automatically assumed he’s a baby killer😂😂😂
@@SimonAshworthWood reddit moment
Attila was the first game where you could light things on fire. Like, if the AI decides to fight a battle in the trees you can just ignite the entire forest. Such a shame that they removed that (and many other) feature from Warhammer. It is luckily back in Three Kingdoms though :)
Great video. Attila is one of my favorite Total War games. Right now I am a bit in love with all the mechanics and systems in Three Kingdoms. Otherwise I would say Attila is probably the best game in the entire franchise. But you have to be a bit of a masochist to enjoy it :P
I love to set whole cities on fire...
How can you do that
@@heirofwesteros yo I’m playing the game and still wanna learn about this. Is this referring to the campaign mechanic of razing and burning a region or is there any battle mechanic also allowing for fires in the forests???
@@presidenteantonioconte1363I think he means fire arrows causing trees caught in the middle of battle on fire
@@someone1949 I didn’t play Attila too much, but I totally didn’t notice it. Maybe it’s because I barely use fire arrows. Does the fire spread, or is it an individual animation if a tree happens to catch fire?
Western Rome and the Huntide are infamous and rightly so but i still have PTSD from my first ever war against the Sassanids as Eastern Rome.
I played sasanids first and have ptsd from Hephtalites :D
Started a Western Roman campaign with Fall of the eagles mod. One of the best and most unique TW experiences I’ve ever had
Ah mods, they always surprise. Love Fall of the Eagles, very underrated imo
Ah, a fellow masochist here.
Did you win ?
@@cpp3221 I don’t know about Filip, but I sure didn’t...
I remember when i launched Attila first time....the main menu theme song captivated and scared me a little bit...i started my playthrough as ERE...I loved barbarian invasion so i thought it ll be a piece of cake on very hard difficulty....Boy i was so wrong....i thought about expanding to the east having a peace with the huns and having cleared the balkan border i was very confident...then climate change, Attila's rise on power and ten stacks of sassanid armies in anatolia happened....of course it was a dead end...amazing and very nicely atmospheric game
Attila remains to this day as my most Favourite Total War. It's a crime they haven't given one last patch to fix the optimization issues and fix some texture bugs in the South East Desert region and fix some last family tree bugs.
Don't miss on the lesser known mods either: stuff like the Long Night, Age of Majoran and 642 are amazing on their own right
this is why i spend my free time only for Attila, thank you for making this video Terminator
Use any mods?
@@charlesmiv3842.yep it just depends on what you want, I sometimes use vanilla and sometimes I use mods like Radious and many more
you are absolutely right, if they had invested more time and resources, this game would be one of the most loved of the series...
I wish man, tbf if they just paid some attention to optimisation it would be so much better
You need to wake up and play western Rome grand campaign to the end. You’ll agree this guy is delusional
Playing Attila for 6 years... Still trying to survive as WRE on Legendary
If you wanna do it in your own not that hard. Hold Spain Italy and England and you are fine
Attila was the first total war I played and I love it♥️
Mate, you really have to talk about the mod age of justinian 555 AD. I personally played a lot of mods for Attila. Ancient empires, 1212 kingdoms, age of vikings, etc, etc but 555 is for me, the best of all. Give it a try!!! 🍻
I will check it out thanks for suggesting! 🙏
@@TheTerminatorGaming :D cool mate!
I agree that Charlemagne is criminally underrated. I loved it! I how it gives you more freedom to achieve victory your way. You can be an aggressive conqueror or you could focus on developing your own culture. Rome 2 gave Military, Economic and Cultural victory options. But only Military could be achieved easily while Economic victory was impossible
Atilla is my favorite Total War. I love the time period and slugging it out as the WRE was the most satisfying campaign I’ve had. Don’t have the stones to try it on legendary, but finally defeating Atilla and his doom stacks after desperately trying to keep what remained of the empire together was a fantastic experience. 1212 adds a whole other flavor as well as the other mods.
I'll say this again for all time, Total War: Attila should've been for Rome 2 what Fall of The Samurai was for Shogun 2.
Forgot to mention the Mongols and Timurids in Medieval 2 as a late game challenge.
True! But I think Attila was the best manifestation so far of that late game horde
Thxs! With Attila i had my first proper TW experience. Ive played all the campaings and DLCs several times. I remember staying long nights with the inmersive music. Really hoping for next historical TW! I experience the same as you in my first campaing, i had absolute no chance against the huns. Cities under siege against 3 hordes... I got nostalgic
I swear I thought I was the only one thinking the true Total War gem was Attila
Looking back at this it's easy to remember why I felt so let down by the original Warhammer in 2016. With Attilla it felt like CA was finally getting it right, the world felt so real and... consequential.
Charlemagne was kind of unfairly reviewed back in the day because Attila still had many launch problems, people were still bitter about Rome 2 and many were waiting for news for the yet to release TW Warhammer. Quite a shame if you ask me
Agreed, really underrated DLC.
Despite its issues, Attila really impressed me.
I agree, i enjoyed the gothic atmosphere of Atilla too...its in top 3 of total wars for me, probably my fav...
Attila is my most played total war ever,i have even level 5 Gold badge on steam.TOP 1 thing that i really really like is UI ,the colors and pictures it feels perfect for my taste.And Ancient Empires on attila is great also.
The mods available for attila are incredible especially dawnless days, really hope CA makes changing the campaign map in the mod a better feature
Got the game and learning it along with the 1212 AD mod. It brings Rome II to a whole new level! I can see this is going to take a long time to figure out.
Thanks for mentioning Ancient Empires, it's really the solution to Rome 2 lacking features but disliking Attila's setting.
Respect your efforts but DEI rocks
@@ismaelhossameldin9896 it does, I think both mods have different vibes and aren't as comparable as people may think.
Can ya'll tell me about Ancient Empires?
Playing as Huns and Goths is fun too. I like most Suebi, Alans, Vandals and Visigoths...... The Desert DLC is a completely new experience of the same game. I recommend it all.
Sounds like your describing Thrones Of Britannia with the new mechanics... A game I like.
Of the historical TW's Attila is my absolute favourite, and I think it is better when NOT playing as the Huns but as the Huns' victims. One thing I like that wasn't mentioned in the video is the way the story is told in the poem (or bible verse?) that is told in part in every new chapter: 'Let them bathe in the warmth of the sun, for they are the righteous, the faithful, the strong.'
I LOVE LOVE LOVE your content! Finally good historical content! Attila is such a masterpiece. Now, we do need a, official Bronze Age full title (Troy was a taste, now scrap it, and make an historical title on the scale of Rome II).
Thanks bud! And agreed :)
Attila is very good....I always handle the Huns through diplomacy...charlemagne is awesome till now
this videos made me go back to it.. starting again with Radious on. This should tie me over for a while in the long wait for the TWWH3 roadmap..
This is my favourite TTW. The choice of playing empire builders or destroyers or a mix of both with the Scandinavian factions
Attila TW has the scale of an epic and the aesthetic of an 18th century oil painting 🤺My favorite alongside Shogun 2 💎
This certainly explains why Atilla feels so much more difficult than Medieval 2. I only just gave Atilla a try, and was surprised by how much more complicated and refined it is than the two Medievals, but how can I possibly expand like I'm used to in the face of those Huns? I guess I can't.
My favourite part of Total War: Attila is gameplay mechanics. They carry the game
It’s mods are absolutely amazing
MK1212 is gold and Ancient Empires despite some issues is still really really good! RISE OF MORDOR! Man so many good mods!
@@TheTerminatorGaming yeah, ancient empires is like Rome 2 but 10 times better
Fall of the Eagles is the mod to play if you still want to keep within the dark ages time period. I like ancient empires as well, but it definitely still has to be worked on as far as some of the minor factions.
If I want to head into antiquity, I play Rome 2 just for the immersion. If there was a way to port the dialogue between games, so you could add Rome 2, or Medieval 2 voice acting into Attila, that would be amazing.
"Criminally underrated" Completely agree. /subbed
Thank you! 🙏
Attila has been my favourite TW game since it came out, I remember starting my first campaign as WRE and the feeling of exhaustion in having to carefully deal with waves of barbarians. Then when you think you’ve got an even footing, the climate gets worse and there’s plagues … then Attila turns up and you’re just sinking.
I can see why some people didn’t like it, but I liked being rewarded for being patient and precise with my decisions.
The mods on this game are outstanding - Medieval 1212 is by far my favourite, the work that’s gone into it is unbelievable and puts CA to shame
A similar setting in the future can be the Bronze Age collapse, maybe call it Total War: Apocalypse. The great empires had fallen and international trade was lost. Egypt was divided but surviving. Assyria and Babylon settled to protect their borders. The Hittites fractured into small states. The Sea Peoples rampages throughout the Mediterranean. Meanwhile, the Dorians pushed into Greece, and small tribal societies like Israel and Edom challenged the settled princes of Canaan for a home. It could recreate what Attila was while adding some new elements like perhaps grazing land if you're a nomadic faction, raids and skirmishes, rediscovery of lost knowledge, etc. This setting can be a spiritual successor to Troy as well.
the last real TW imo....and very underrated true. Also it has a great OST. The only issue is the performance besides that it's a fantastic game. Tbh I was a bit disappointed after CA revealed that they're working on Attila and not on Medieval III.:-)
I haven't really played the base yet game, only bought Atilla for the mods but I really love the city razing mechanic. I remember playing Med2 and finding that once you get to the late basically every region is a fully developed huge city and it was so dull. I really like the idea of playing a small out of the way nation and just surviving until I can start rebuilding a demolished Europe
Attila is broken,badly optimized... and my favorite Total War
Couldn't have said it better
Attila è il miglior total war per me, e con le mod diventa superlativo e infinito! Grazie dei video! Ti seguo sempre, dall'Italia!
Thank you. Excellent video. Downloading TW: Atilla once again!!!!
Great video mate cheers
Glad you enjoyed it!
Destructible terrain in battles was a nice touch
Exactly. Attila is the game I always come back to for a casual battle.
So far. My favorite Total war is Shogun 2 because of good battle and sieges. After Shogun 2, most of it were lacking (Rome, Warhammer, Three Kingdoms). Attila is the only execption. The siege and battle are very enjoyable
My PC ran it fine and I think it’s one of the greatest games of all time. Then again, I love Thrones. The dark ages are just my favorite historical period
Attila is one of my favourite TW games (and I played literally them ALL, starting with Shogun1). But not vanilla campaign, which has some terrible "mechanics" (auto-spawning Huns, winter is coming, ridiculous upgrades etc). Yet DLCs and mods are excellent.
those "terrible mechanics" were what was actually happening in europe and it is what makes the campaign one of survival rather than just a reskinned rome 2 which is what most total war games are.
Need to go through recommended mods and speak on them more. Attila always needs more love!
I like the management system and the survival aspect. What it was locking is the population simulation.
& THE EPIC MODS!!!!! That's also why lol! Dawnless Days looks amazing!!
This is true, I never really considered it, but I really enjoyed britannica, however, Attila has that end game feeling, trying to hold the western roman empire together, whilst the diplomacy recks you along with the barbarians trying to constantly invade, and then... then Attila came, and I hadn't lost a single battle yet, I outnumbered them. But omg, they just come with their morale killing boosts and you're essentially just ruined O.o
Ive just had a lot of fun on 3 kingdoms, now i want to try Attila.
Some people think that Attila should have been an expansion for Rome 2 and a lot of their arguments are very solid, but the reason why i think this game not being an expansion was a good idea and why i lament the lack of support is the fact that it tackles a time period we may never see again in TW, not even on a potential Med 3. There were so many cool Dark/early middle ages scenarios left unexplored: the campaigns of Majoran and Heraclius, the rise of Islam, the fall of the Guptas, the English Heptharchy,etc.
Yeah, if a Medieval 3 does happen, I kind of hope it explores more of these areas in flashpoints of time the way 3K would have done. The map repainted, with different factions/units, etc. But agreed I don't think it would have worked as an expansion.
India is always ignored :(
@@sudeshnamukhopadhyay5214 Man i'm a big medieval nerd and so I LOVE me some medieval India, it's a shame the records of some areas there are so obscure.
That being say i would kill for a TW set between the rise of Delhi and the creation of the Mughal empire
@@sudeshnamukhopadhyay5214 yes
I love AoC. The closest thing to a Medieval TW game right now. I mean officially. Plus it has the Byzantines, who I like. 1212 is a great mod and I can't wait till it is updated more.
Well liking the Byzantines in 1212 is basically playing medieval Roman Empire, the main focus of both Attila and Rome 2 and 1. So yeah, I also love playing then, reconquering lost lands.
@@filipefernandes870 i have played as both Trebizond and Epirus. I have got to say, playing as Epirus is easier. The units and garrison are simply better.
So truee. Keep it up mate!
Thanks, will do bud!
I am really interested in Atilla!
But my craptop says no :(
And my pc broke down last year cuz cpu went bye bye
But I always was kind of a defensive solo player so this game being about surviving and holding out is kinda my jam
Ya, Attila actually punishes you for expanding and upgrading lol
@@charlesmiv3842 so it's a perpetual circle
Can't play cuz bad laptop
But you can't play it any better when you have a high tech computer either
@@steyn1775 Your experience will be marginally better if you have a great rig.
@@charlesmiv3842 I honestly just want stable FPS
I already play Shogun 2 on my craptop and get 25/30ish FPS
Which is good enough for me to enjoy battles
Ironically, Shogun 2 is the most optimized total war game
I agree. The only reason I dont play Attila is that I get 15 fps with the ocasional 20, wich is garbage, while in Rome 2 I get 40 to 50 fps. I wold play Attila a lot more if its performance was better cuz it does have more interesting mechanix and better gamplay.
Everything you said was correct. But I hate seeing my romans get pummeled. It’s almost being the uesugi clan in shogun 2. By the time you survived it has created so much stress that on a personal level I respect hard but not when it becomes more of chore than enjoyment
3:40 Medieval II had the Mongol/Timurid invasions. Shogun 2 had Realm Divide.
I've preordered Attila so I had for free the Vikings forefathers DLC. It's my favourite Total War so far but, as you say at the begining, fps drop is a nightmare... I have a Ryzen 5 5600, 32 Gb RAM DDR4 and a RTX 3050 8 gb gaming and still with 8.000+ troops on the battlefield it suffers to be playable...
this is my favorite total war and with 2 different pc's ive never had any performance issues. i love it with and without mods and ive done the horrific challenge of legendary wre and ere campaigns
It's just so dumb that the Huns spawns free armies in one turn. They are such a pain. I gave up on my last campaign as WRE 100 turns in or so after killing like 30 of their armies.
Loved your review Terminator! For several days I searched for a proper strategy game to play with a strong historical accent. But will it work fine with UHD resolution (3840x2160)? I’ve heard complaints that the UI is very small.
Hmmm not entirely sure about UI scaling in Attila, give it a google :) otherwise thanks! Appreciate the kind words, hope you get to enjoy the game :)
@@TheTerminatorGaming I won’t enjoy the game because it is highly likely then it won’t run properly on my modern PC. 😊And CA are not giving a flying fork about their several years old games. Just look at the comments in Steam. Fans are just pissed off with their latest patches.
playing attila rn. in Rome 2 you could just steamrolled everyone (most of the time). In attila with religion pace is slow,you need to rebuild cities (if different religion) from the ground,and its fun. AI still buffed with xyz stack but fun to play. (horses are fast and useful finally)
Terminus Total War is what makes it so great for me ;)
The old 'painting the map' is a tedious gameplay 'mechanic' that I started to dread. I wish CA would introduce a gameplay option that turns the game into a survival game. Try to keep your faction alive for as long as possible while dealing with other factions as well as random events like those in RimWorld. Ideally those events would also affect the other factions changing the outcome of every playthrough.
Not sure I agree with the Viking invasion thought about Britannia. The Vikings were pillaging. If I recall, their intention wasn't to conquer, but to raid and pillage for plunder.
I think I'm sixty turns into my Ebdanian campaign for Attila, I could be wrong about that but I'm definitely far into it, and I have yet to fight the Huns though I'm shaking in my boots for that moment when I see that they declare war on me.
Haha I definitely would be :D It's not too bad, but my first time was terrifying (despite the lack of FPS)
@@TheTerminatorGaming Amazingly on the battle maps I haven't seen that many FPS issues they're mainly on the campaign map. Probably helps that I'm only using a 1080P monitor lol
I'm 120 turns into my Danish campaign for Charlemagne. It's such a good expansion. Hey, if you stay on the British Isles, you'll probably be safe, seeing as that Attila is allergic to water.
@@charlesmiv3842 Yeah I probably would be safe except I've started expanding into Europe now by taking Rotomagus and Flevum. At the moment however I'm getting massive resistance from a strong Langobard controlled central Europe and Geats and Saxon raids. I just made peace with the Jutes and the Franks not too long ago so I'm slowing lowering the number of enemies I have to deal with. Thank god though the Picts and Caledonians have my back though lol
Atilla and Medieval 2 were my favourites.
Attila is probably one of the most well rounded in terms of combat, the issue is they never optimized the game. It lags really bad, and i think it's still 32 bit. Closest thing to Medieval 3 they made though.
Just love TW Attila 💙
This review was actually impressively good.
It made me give Attila another shot. I found it a pain in the ass everyone else getting higher tier units before me, almost unplayable
I've been playing it like a traditional total war game. Never thought to look at it from the survival game perspective.
Attila is the best Total War of All Time imo.
As some one who got burned by rome2 on release day......Attila was the game Rome should have been, however.... you are right most people could not even run the game so. it really didn't matter how good the game play was as most computers could not even run it.
I just haven't been able to get into Attila in the past for some reason. I'm going to give it another shot though. I really want to love it.
Give it another go :) and if still not to your liking try some of the mods mate, mods never disappoint!
I heard the hate this game got before i bought it a yr ago. I've played 2 campaigns, 1st one on normal and I just started the 2nd on very hard. This game has not disappeared at all. I would recommend it if you are into this type of games
Ngl i was on the QA team for this game when they were making it and other than the optimisation (and at this point standard launch of bugs for modern CA games) it’s best best modern historical TW game by far. It has so many mechanics and refinements that haven’t returned which is a massive shame
I tried so many time to match the feeling with this game, vanilla, 1212, fote, ancient empire: simply the battle mechanics are broken, you can’t lose a battle.
I bought the game so I can play the Kingdoms 1212 mod and it really got me hooked to historical again. The only problem I find is the abundance of buildings that are not that different in their output. Too many buildings to see what is going on and it is just tedious. But I will agree with you that attila is a good game
Rome 2 did come out with game breaking issues-glitches, bugs etc.
Then Attila came and gave us what we missed in Rome 2-for example a family tree
Even now, 6:00 rome 2 is a civil war simulator-the families even revolt when they have no influence, only one city:D
8:20 actually I think that ancient Empires is the better Rome 2-because for example some cities are looking really great like Carthage, Rome or Sidon.
I think Attilas main problem is the same as in Warhammer3-after playing the campaign once, another try feels very similar...
But, in Attila you have great mods and dlc campaigns for compensation.
Exept it doesn't. :) Both Empires, Sasanids, small barbarian kingdoms, small eastern kingdoms and hordes - all they play very differently. Different starts, different problems, different neighbours to deal with. Different building sets after all, so every time you change a culture you play for you have to invent new province template. And as horde you don't even have provinces at all!
What else do you want?
@@1kvolt1978 Sure, they have different problems.and some ohter mechanics. However, the chapters are similiar. it is always Attila and the ai is not capable to defeat him-in other words-sooner or later you have to face him.
@@AnimeFan-dl4qd Well, I had a campaign where AI actually killed Attila. So it defeated him twice (or more? don't remember how many times you need to wound him to finally kill).
@@1kvolt1978 I had to fight Attila even as Sassanids:D
So you were lucky or I had bad luck:)
@@AnimeFan-dl4qd Yeah, have seen this just once in many campaigns.
You can already feel that with Rome 1 barbarian invasion.
Attila Total war is the only one main total war I never played... this video may change this...
Nest sale on steam I will give it a try
Definitely give it a try :)
I really loved the management and food aspect of the game. I was able to stabilize quite early in game as WRE, started reconquering everything I lost and then the campaign turned into: Push into new territories and every 3-5 turns fight 4 stacks of Huns in Illyria. Again and again, because AI non-stop spawning full stacks. Then I turned the game off, because it was without any joy, doing the same thing over and over again.
you need to check playthrough for that part. theres a tricky task there you need to do. On average you ll need to destroy 10 stacks to catch the mission. you need to catch the stack with attla 2 times and injure him, if I'm not mistaken.
I average between 60 - 80 FPS on Attila at 1080p max settings.
On Rome II I average 165+. Something is just fundamentally wrong from the get go with how Attila was made in terms of maintaining a smooth experience.
That aside though, I still play it wayyyy more than Rome. Age of Charlemagne (with the extended units mod) is the real draw for me.
Yeah I get the same! I play more Rome 2 for DEI but always go back to Attila for some soul crushing times :D
60-80 isnt exactly bad though
@@ElZilchoYo It's definitely on the higher side, for sure. I had to go into the .ini files to do some memory optimization to get it to those levels though. Before I did all of those adjustments I would get 40 to 60
The reason I fear Huns is that you can't really defeat the Huns until Attila shows up in the battlefield in late game and kill him during battle. Other than that, every time you destory their army, next turn they just respawn more army out of nowhere, just around your cities, and combine with Tier3 units. And my army? They just finfished a bloody battle, need at least 4-6 turns to replenish.
It's weird how some people consider one of the most chaotic time periods in Roman history as boring. Maybe it's that the Roman uniforms aren't as flashy anymore...