This one of my two 'go-to' burners (along with the Starlyte). I use it with a Trail Designs Ti Tri Sidewinder Caldera Cone and an MLD 850 pot. One of the most efficient setups I have for that pot. I like the immediate bloom, the speed of boil and being able to easily decant un-burned fuel back to the fuel bottle. I use a 4 oz and 8 oz wide mouth Nalgene from REI to carry fuel for this burner. Easier to pour back into and the Toaks burner fits neatly over the cap of the Nalgene for nesting. It's not as easy to snuff as the Starlyte is to blow out, but it's far easier to light (one of my few dislikes about the Starlyte burner). I suspect all of your times would be lower with a proper wind screen. No doubt the way the Caldera Cone concentrates heat gives it faster boil times. I agree with the other suggestion to do three burns and average them.. I would trust data provided for burns you do off screen, just to keep vid times in check... but average of three would be a good best-practice.
Thank for the feedback, I appreciate it. I know the times would be lower with a windscreen, or even more so with a caldera cone. Just trying to keep it simple with this test, no real wind, so nothing to block, just not utilizing the reflective radiant heating a windscreen would provide. Thanks!
Nice job man. Your results were very consistent with Mr. Cooks and his BSA pot. That “burner” puts out around 800 W, or about 2800 btu with a fuel eff. of around 58%. Good stuff, thanks from a blue flame junkie!
I've built and used every alcohol stove there is. And the mini atomic was the best for my smaller diameter pots. I loved the fancy feast but it wasnt as efficient on the smaller diameter pots. So the narrow flame pattern of the mini atomic worked better. However it was harder to pack it all in my 550 with the lid. Small detail but still annoying. So I turned to the siphon which allows things to sit in it while in the pot for a more compact storage. On top of that, you get a great flame pattern for a narrow pot. So it is the only stove/burner I use. You combine the openness of the FF with the burn patter of the MA. Win win.
I use a small nalgene from REI to carry fuel.. the Toaks burner slips neatly over the the top cap of the bottle. I use an 850 pot with this burner and everything can nest inside, along with a Caldera Cone. Crazy efficient setup.
Good review and very good info. Thanks much! Would like to see you review the Maxi titanium moka pot. That would be great to add to your outdoor coffee series
One suggestion I have for these is to do the same test multiple times for each setup and take an average to rule out random error. If the goal is to have a comprehensive list of stove and pot combos with their efficiencies then I think multiple runs to rule out error is a good idea. Maybe not necessary to record though since it might get a little boring.
Thanks! I think the burn time was less on the Fosters pot because the flames had less resistance with the pot not being centered for a while and with the pot not having the large base. I could be wrong...I’m no scientist 🤔
Thanks for the compliment. I dig the stove series 👍 is the Evernew and Vargo triad in mix on future episodes? Having a super hard time deciding between the Toaks and those two. Keep up the good work and congrats on 5,000!
I've built two Capillary Hoop Stoves based on tetkoba's design (look him up on YT if you haven't already) and the boil times/burn out times are pretty much the same at a third of the weight. I wanted something a little bit more sturdy and looked at the Toaks stove. Thanks for the tests. I find it curious that Toaks' stove is exactly the same outside diameter as Tetkoba's, 53mm or the diameter of a small Red Bull can. Weird coincidence or inspiration?
Toaks and the CNC made in Japan RSR (RiverSideRambler) stove both are similar to Tetkoba's CHS, what in turn seems inspired in LitleBitWorks Groove Stove. But RSR stove have a "return valve" - not available in Toaks and CHS design, for when the alcohol vapor is high the excess of vapor return for the "bathtub" and condense, saving fuel, avoiding overheat. This system was patented in Japan. RSR it's costly ~ $70.
@@Sokol10 It looks great. I'm not sure I understand how the "valve" works differently than the grooves in the inner sleeve of the CHS. It seems to me that the same blowback could return to the tank in the CHS too.
Once you get to the third stove review, the leader board is there. But I like your name for it better! Thanks! I'm looking at getting the set, but it's pretty expensive.
THAT....is a Vienna sausage can. LOL, I've made and used a stove made from 2 bean dip cans. Small for the burner and the large one as the stand/ container.
I don't think 623 seconds is "inconsistent" with 645 seconds, considering the way the fuel was measured. I think that 3% difference in times is well within the acceptable range, considering all the variables that abound in this type of test. On the other hand, congratulations. You confirmed Hiram Cook's results with your 750 pot vs his aluminum boy scout pot, at 5:50-ish. The slight difference in times could be due to difference in elevations. Hiram's only at 330 feet above sea level. (His video ruclips.net/video/Y5LowrY2aJU/видео.html shows 201 F at 5:34. I call that within test tolerances.)
Honestly, neither. There are a lot of them out there that I'd choose over either of them. Sure the lure of Ti makes them cool, but neither one is great. If I had to choose between those two, the Toaks, just due to size and performance.
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 thanks man! So I wonder.. Would u tell what's ur favorite or recommend one? I have the Trangia and already ordered the toaks and one fancee fest from Dan at zelph stoves (I'm sure I will love that one) ... Also purchased one of those alocs which are Trangia copies but it leaks a lot... I was considering the vargo triage but reviews aren't that good unless one has a priming plate... You know I trust your advise so I u don't mind saying, I would love to hear it my friend :)
I don't recall, if you go back to the beginning of the stove test series I did a video where I talked about the protocols I would be using each time. Sorry I can't remember right now!
Hello I bought a titanium alcohol stove but it doesn’t work properly. It doesn’t have pressure and the fire doesn’t come out of the little holes on the side. It toke 14 minutes to boil 2 cups of water. Do you know what way be the problem? I used 30ml of denaturalized alcohol.
It roughly can takes 8 ounces of fuel for a 2 day trip. Let’s say you use it breakfast lunch and dinner plus maybe a hot drink or snack for those 2 days. Easily 2 days you’re out of fuel. An 8 ounce bottle of alcohol isn’t exactly small. And for extended trips you’ll be over in fuel weight compared to a isobutane canister. A 4 oz fuel canister for me has on average achieved a 2 cup boil 20 times for 1 4oz canister. So from a fuel efficiency and weight....alcohol stoves are not actually “lighter” overall. Additionally for extended trips they become bulkier for how much fuel you need to bring in extra bottles. For a 6 day trip you’d need 24 ounces of fuel! Unless many of your meals are not dehydrated ones that require boiling water but then you’re just carrying in extra food weight to canister stoves still win overall haha. I’m sorry but the fad of alcohol stoves needs to die. I think for stealthy or emergency situations these can be awesome but for backpacking...hell no.
I use one with a jetboil and attached windscreen making it super efficient. With the toaks you can extinguish the flame and reclaim the unburned fuel. Check out my vid ..the only one I up loaded
Good question, it's just due to my location. As you go up in altitude, the boiling point goes down. Actually other factors can also play into it. As you can see from the videos, I'm at a full rolling boil at 209 degrees. Thanks!
Heres an idea, what if you drilled burner holes in the outside of the stove at the same hight as the inner holes just offset from the inner holes, then you can place a pot right on the burner making it a stove and when you want to use it as a burner place a tight fitting metal ring around the outside holes. Worth a try? Thanks for the review.
Toaks have a very bad quality check outside usa. You pay 50$ and get some half ass product. DON'T buy unless you are sure you can reclaim or buy it in a store were you can inspect the stove.
I just don’t understand using a liquid stove in the woods. Less stable, if your fuel container leaks you’re fucked. If you spill it while it’s lit then you could cause a seriously bad issue of burning your gear or the Forrest or yourself severely. You have to take in enough fuel for a trip and for a long trip that could mean it’s not much of a weight savings over a canister. The fuel efficiency is not good. Boil times are not good at all. Some wind means you’re in trouble. It’s not a very stable way to cook. I’m just not convinced on these things. Seems like a fad to me.
Alcohol stoves are more versatile and are the choice for high altitude trips and when temps are below freezing. They're what most mountaineers use for that reason. If you're hiking in three season weather and at not so high altitudes, then gas could be better. But for more versatility in environment, alcohol stove is the way to go.
@@reidsadventures they have their uses but honestly its over rated nonsense. i used ISO butane at altitudes of 10,000 ft just fine. We talking altitudes of 20,000 ft and freezing conditions....sure. but most people and average hikers/campers aren't camping at extreme altitudes like that haha. sorry but ISO butane is more practical and safer. and versatility doesn't mean its better haha. I could boil water with a butane torch and also melt metal with it....versatility right? doesn't mean id carry around a butane torch in the back country. and liquid "ultra light" stoves have 2 glaringly terrible downfalls....what if your fuel leaks emtpy in your bag or is spilled then youre fucked. second...liquid stoves are inherently dangerous to use in dry environments due to spill hazards or if weather is bad and you need to cook in your tent or vestibule and have a spill of flame all over your tent and gear....then youre majorly fucked. also....it doesnt save that much weight compared to iso butane really. for short trips sure but for longer trips you actually have more weight in fuel. its just a stupid hipster fad. unless its high altitude then use a liquid stove setup from MSR with the nice fuel canisters. sorry but its hipster "ultra light" nonsense.
Safer? Have you ever seen a propane explosion? Ever had to cook with a broken canister stove? Knocked a pot off of a canister stove from as high as the pot sits on those tiny little pot supports? Over rated nonsense?! Alcohol is VASTLY safer than isobutane, available literally anywhere, is super cheap, works below freezing, and these stoves have no working parts, they last forever. No garbage from empty canisters, no need to pack out empties.
@@RustyKnorr I’ve never heard of anyone having an ISO butane explosion from a hiking stove but I have heard and seen first hand from friends who used alcohol stoves almost start a Forrest fire and seen one friend accidentally set his rain fly of his tent on fire because a gust of wind blew his allot alcohol stove 3 feet towards his tent and I had to help him put it out. None of my friends who used alcohol stoves for extended periods of time use them anymore. They all went back to iso butane for a reason. Exposed lit fuel is just not a good idea in the woods. Regulated iso butane stoves are way fucking safer and there’s no way you can change my mind about that simple based on collective experience of myself and people I know personally. You’re an idiot hipster that just hates that someone isn’t into the trendy fad you are haha
Extremely valid testing methodology. Nice job.
Thank you!
This one of my two 'go-to' burners (along with the Starlyte). I use it with a Trail Designs Ti Tri Sidewinder Caldera Cone and an MLD 850 pot. One of the most efficient setups I have for that pot. I like the immediate bloom, the speed of boil and being able to easily decant un-burned fuel back to the fuel bottle. I use a 4 oz and 8 oz wide mouth Nalgene from REI to carry fuel for this burner. Easier to pour back into and the Toaks burner fits neatly over the cap of the Nalgene for nesting. It's not as easy to snuff as the Starlyte is to blow out, but it's far easier to light (one of my few dislikes about the Starlyte burner). I suspect all of your times would be lower with a proper wind screen. No doubt the way the Caldera Cone concentrates heat gives it faster boil times. I agree with the other suggestion to do three burns and average them.. I would trust data provided for burns you do off screen, just to keep vid times in check... but average of three would be a good best-practice.
Thank for the feedback, I appreciate it. I know the times would be lower with a windscreen, or even more so with a caldera cone. Just trying to keep it simple with this test, no real wind, so nothing to block, just not utilizing the reflective radiant heating a windscreen would provide.
Thanks!
Nice job man. Your results were very consistent with Mr. Cooks and his BSA pot. That “burner” puts out around 800 W, or about 2800 btu with a fuel eff. of around 58%. Good stuff, thanks from a blue flame junkie!
Thank you! I appreciate the confirmation of the tests!
Thanks for the review. My siphon stove just came in and will do my review this weekend. ✌👍
Sweet! Enjoy it!
I've built and used every alcohol stove there is. And the mini atomic was the best for my smaller diameter pots. I loved the fancy feast but it wasnt as efficient on the smaller diameter pots. So the narrow flame pattern of the mini atomic worked better. However it was harder to pack it all in my 550 with the lid. Small detail but still annoying. So I turned to the siphon which allows things to sit in it while in the pot for a more compact storage. On top of that, you get a great flame pattern for a narrow pot. So it is the only stove/burner I use. You combine the openness of the FF with the burn patter of the MA. Win win.
Right on! You'll see a review of the mini atomic as well down the road! Thanks!
I use a small nalgene from REI to carry fuel.. the Toaks burner slips neatly over the the top cap of the bottle. I use an 850 pot with this burner and everything can nest inside, along with a Caldera Cone. Crazy efficient setup.
Nice!
Interesting boil test! I'll have to do one with my fuel cubes someday comparing it to my alcohol stove.
I'm just not a fan of the mess those cubes make, especially on the bottom of the pot.
Good review and very good info. Thanks much! Would like to see you review the Maxi titanium moka pot. That would be great to add to your outdoor coffee series
I'll have to check that one out. Thanks!
I do like the toaks stove. I have considered getting one and going back to denatured alcohol. Cool test.
It's a good stove, not my favorite, but it's not a bad option!
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Love this series Mark. I can't wait to find out which stove and pot is "The One". I'll probably end up getting it. If I don't already have it. LOL
Gonna be a while before we get to the end, lots of stoves out there to test. But next week you'll get to see the Leaderboard!
One suggestion I have for these is to do the same test multiple times for each setup and take an average to rule out random error. If the goal is to have a comprehensive list of stove and pot combos with their efficiencies then I think multiple runs to rule out error is a good idea. Maybe not necessary to record though since it might get a little boring.
Not a bad idea. Thanks!
First? You are the new Hiram Cook
There was a void, it needed filling. I needed to see more water boiling!
Thank u
Thanks! I think the burn time was less on the Fosters pot because the flames had less resistance with the pot not being centered for a while and with the pot not having the large base. I could be wrong...I’m no scientist 🤔
Not a scientist, but pretty smart! Thanks, I think I agree with you!
Thanks for the compliment. I dig the stove series 👍 is the Evernew and Vargo triad in mix on future episodes? Having a super hard time deciding between the Toaks and those two. Keep up the good work and congrats on 5,000!
I don't have either of those. Maybe I'll have to look into getting them and adding them to this series!
aluminum has better heat conduction than titanium. thus, a faster cook time.
Cool
I've built two Capillary Hoop Stoves based on tetkoba's design (look him up on YT if you haven't already) and the boil times/burn out times are pretty much the same at a third of the weight. I wanted something a little bit more sturdy and looked at the Toaks stove. Thanks for the tests. I find it curious that Toaks' stove is exactly the same outside diameter as Tetkoba's, 53mm or the diameter of a small Red Bull can. Weird coincidence or inspiration?
Toaks and the CNC made in Japan RSR (RiverSideRambler) stove both are similar to Tetkoba's CHS, what in turn seems inspired in LitleBitWorks Groove Stove.
But RSR stove have a "return valve" - not available in Toaks and CHS design, for when the alcohol vapor is high the excess of vapor return for the "bathtub" and condense, saving fuel, avoiding overheat. This system was patented in Japan. RSR it's costly ~ $70.
@@Sokol10 It looks great. I'm not sure I understand how the "valve" works differently than the grooves in the inner sleeve of the CHS. It seems to me that the same blowback could return to the tank in the CHS too.
What no wall of flame......
You going to do the Evernew TI stove?
Once you get to the third stove review, the leader board is there. But I like your name for it better! Thanks! I'm looking at getting the set, but it's pretty expensive.
THAT....is a Vienna sausage can. LOL, I've made and used a stove made from 2 bean dip cans. Small for the burner and the large one as the stand/ container.
Maybe!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 Go to flat broke outside. He's been at this stuff longer than both of us put together.
Are you using denatured alcohol?
Mostly yellow bottle HEET.
This siphon needs a windshield/pot stand combo. What is the best option from market or DIY?
I don't think 623 seconds is "inconsistent" with 645 seconds, considering the way the fuel was measured. I think that 3% difference in times is well within the acceptable range, considering all the variables that abound in this type of test.
On the other hand, congratulations. You confirmed Hiram Cook's results with your 750 pot vs his aluminum boy scout pot, at 5:50-ish. The slight difference in times could be due to difference in elevations. Hiram's only at 330 feet above sea level. (His video ruclips.net/video/Y5LowrY2aJU/видео.html shows 201 F at 5:34. I call that within test tolerances.)
That's fair, just giving what I got.
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1
Not complaining, just picking at nits. ;)
I know I'm a little late. But that one inch sweet spot isn't true for all stoves. This stove is even fast at an inch and a half
True, thanks!
So, between the Toaks and the Evernew Ti, which one would you prefer?
thanks!
Honestly, neither. There are a lot of them out there that I'd choose over either of them. Sure the lure of Ti makes them cool, but neither one is great. If I had to choose between those two, the Toaks, just due to size and performance.
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 thanks man! So I wonder.. Would u tell what's ur favorite or recommend one? I have the Trangia and already ordered the toaks and one fancee fest from Dan at zelph stoves (I'm sure I will love that one) ... Also purchased one of those alocs which are Trangia copies but it leaks a lot... I was considering the vargo triage but reviews aren't that good unless one has a priming plate... You know I trust your advise so I u don't mind saying, I would love to hear it my friend :)
Late comment, thanks for the review. Does this leave any residue on the bottom of the pots? Thanks!
No, as long as you're using a clean burning alcohol, like denatured alcohol or Yellow bottle HEET.
Starts at 2:35
Did I miss it. How much water did you boil each time?
I don't recall, if you go back to the beginning of the stove test series I did a video where I talked about the protocols I would be using each time. Sorry I can't remember right now!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 I see 12 oz. Not the 16 oz mountain house standard. Cool!
@@ivandarien Yeah, I don't use Mountain House meals, most of the meals I do take between 8-12 oz. Glad you found it! Thanks for checking it out!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 No problem. Now I'm on the same page with you. Thanks!.
This is my favorite stove to keep nested in toaks cup when my only needs are to boil
It's a cool little stove, pretty bombproof!
Hello I bought a titanium alcohol stove but it doesn’t work properly. It doesn’t have pressure and the fire doesn’t come out of the little holes on the side. It toke 14 minutes to boil 2 cups of water. Do you know what way be the problem? I used 30ml of denaturalized alcohol.
See my other response. Thanks!
I just bought this stove and had the same problem. Did you ever figure out what the fix was?
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 where?
I have stove . I use titanium cross bars with that capillary stove. Better than the original mesh pot holder
I agree with that, and better than the new stand they came out with. Thanks!
Which ones?
It roughly can takes 8 ounces of fuel for a 2 day trip. Let’s say you use it breakfast lunch and dinner plus maybe a hot drink or snack for those 2 days. Easily 2 days you’re out of fuel. An 8 ounce bottle of alcohol isn’t exactly small. And for extended trips you’ll be over in fuel weight compared to a isobutane canister. A 4 oz fuel canister for me has on average achieved a 2 cup boil 20 times for 1 4oz canister. So from a fuel efficiency and weight....alcohol stoves are not actually “lighter” overall. Additionally for extended trips they become bulkier for how much fuel you need to bring in extra bottles. For a 6 day trip you’d need 24 ounces of fuel! Unless many of your meals are not dehydrated ones that require boiling water but then you’re just carrying in extra food weight to canister stoves still win overall haha. I’m sorry but the fad of alcohol stoves needs to die. I think for stealthy or emergency situations these can be awesome but for backpacking...hell no.
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Thanks!
Wonder how little fuel you could use to get a boil. .75oz?
Watch the video next week where I introduce the leaderboard. It gives an approximate amount to answer this question.
Spiguyver Backpacking excellent! Thanks.
I use one with a jetboil and attached windscreen making it super efficient. With the toaks you can extinguish the flame and reclaim the unburned fuel. Check out my vid ..the only one I up loaded
Why 209 degrees and not 212 for boiling?
Good question, it's just due to my location. As you go up in altitude, the boiling point goes down. Actually other factors can also play into it. As you can see from the videos, I'm at a full rolling boil at 209 degrees. Thanks!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 - cool, thank you!
Anytime.
*gently tosses is 3 inches away* "really can withstand a lot"
Haha, yeah, I couldn't chuck it across the garage, otherwise you wouldn't see it! Thanks!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 Lmaoo I found it halarious, overall great review really appreciated it
Next time I'll be sure to smash a stove for effect! Thanks man!
Why don't you show me
Heres an idea, what if you drilled burner holes in the outside of the stove at the same hight as the inner holes just offset from the inner holes, then you can place a pot right on the burner making it a stove and when you want to use it as a burner place a tight fitting metal ring around the outside holes. Worth a try? Thanks for the review.
I think there are better options out there for putting your pot directly on, so for me it wouldn't be worth it on this stove. Thanks!
I fail to find much significance in boil time, ahh, but if it was a race clearly there was a winner.
I gotcha!
5?
Not sure what 5 is. 5 what?
On that 550 pot you have where that little lip on the bottom
Not sure what you're asking, can you clarify and I'll get you an answer? Thanks!
That bottom ring you have on your 550 toaks pots at
@@kenallen7795 Looks like it's that way to fit a caldera cone.
Toaks have a very bad quality check outside usa. You pay 50$ and get some half ass product.
DON'T buy unless you are sure you can reclaim or buy it in a store were you can inspect the stove.
I just don’t understand using a liquid stove in the woods. Less stable, if your fuel container leaks you’re fucked. If you spill it while it’s lit then you could cause a seriously bad issue of burning your gear or the Forrest or yourself severely. You have to take in enough fuel for a trip and for a long trip that could mean it’s not much of a weight savings over a canister. The fuel efficiency is not good. Boil times are not good at all. Some wind means you’re in trouble. It’s not a very stable way to cook. I’m just not convinced on these things. Seems like a fad to me.
Alcohol stoves are more versatile and are the choice for high altitude trips and when temps are below freezing. They're what most mountaineers use for that reason. If you're hiking in three season weather and at not so high altitudes, then gas could be better. But for more versatility in environment, alcohol stove is the way to go.
@@reidsadventures they have their uses but honestly its over rated nonsense. i used ISO butane at altitudes of 10,000 ft just fine. We talking altitudes of 20,000 ft and freezing conditions....sure. but most people and average hikers/campers aren't camping at extreme altitudes like that haha. sorry but ISO butane is more practical and safer. and versatility doesn't mean its better haha. I could boil water with a butane torch and also melt metal with it....versatility right? doesn't mean id carry around a butane torch in the back country. and liquid "ultra light" stoves have 2 glaringly terrible downfalls....what if your fuel leaks emtpy in your bag or is spilled then youre fucked. second...liquid stoves are inherently dangerous to use in dry environments due to spill hazards or if weather is bad and you need to cook in your tent or vestibule and have a spill of flame all over your tent and gear....then youre majorly fucked. also....it doesnt save that much weight compared to iso butane really. for short trips sure but for longer trips you actually have more weight in fuel. its just a stupid hipster fad. unless its high altitude then use a liquid stove setup from MSR with the nice fuel canisters. sorry but its hipster "ultra light" nonsense.
Safer? Have you ever seen a propane explosion? Ever had to cook with a broken canister stove? Knocked a pot off of a canister stove from as high as the pot sits on those tiny little pot supports?
Over rated nonsense?! Alcohol is VASTLY safer than isobutane, available literally anywhere, is super cheap, works below freezing, and these stoves have no working parts, they last forever. No garbage from empty canisters, no need to pack out empties.
@@RustyKnorr I’ve never heard of anyone having an ISO butane explosion from a hiking stove but I have heard and seen first hand from friends who used alcohol stoves almost start a Forrest fire and seen one friend accidentally set his rain fly of his tent on fire because a gust of wind blew his allot alcohol stove 3 feet towards his tent and I had to help him put it out. None of my friends who used alcohol stoves for extended periods of time use them anymore. They all went back to iso butane for a reason. Exposed lit fuel is just not a good idea in the woods. Regulated iso butane stoves are way fucking safer and there’s no way you can change my mind about that simple based on collective experience of myself and people I know personally. You’re an idiot hipster that just hates that someone isn’t into the trendy fad you are haha