Yeah, I normally play halo 3 multiplayer on mcc or halo infinite multiplayer, but I still play halo ce like once or twice a month, just playing my favorite missions, messing around, sometimes just watching the covenant and flood go at it
Regarding the gun balance, I want to talk about something very important you missed. (Long comment, bear with me). Infinite has a pretty complex system for enemies where they have Energy Shields/Armor Plating/Health. Shields and Health are self-explanatory. Armor plating, on the other hand, are specific armor modules localized on parts of an enemy's body that can be shot off. So, in order to deal full damage to a brute, you'll need to shoot the chest armor off and then repeatedly shoot the chest. If you shoot off the chest armor, then hit the head, your bullets will do reduced damage as the head armor is still intact. Unlike shields, which block damage, armor plating simply REDUCES damage. I hope I explained it well enough. Either way, some enemies in Infinite have no armor or shields. Some have shields, but no armor (all elites). Some have armor but no shields (low level brutes). Some have both (high level brutes). The reason this is important is because Infinite's gun balance is based heavily around this system, with individual guns and bullets being tuned to effect different things more. You said the needler felt weak- well, that's just wrong. Infinite's needler is one of the strongest and most useful needlers in the series (in campaign, not talking about PVP). Why does it feel weak then? It's because supercombining DOES NOT WORK against shields. Doesn't matter how many you land, the needler will literally do piss all against energy shields. It, on the other hand, will obliterate armor plating and health. This creates scenarios where a needler in Infinite will absolutely obliterate Brute Chieftans but do jackshit against low level Elites. It's because the Needler is specifically designed to destroy armor plating and health, whereas in previous games it worked against mostly everything. Another example of this is hardlight weapons- they work well against shields and health, but work poorly versus armor plating. This makes them good for killing Elites (Shields, no Armor) and Grunts (No Armor/No Shields) but poor versus Brutes (Every Brute has some level of Armor plating). This system, though complex and very good for balance (IMO) isn't explained or indicated anywhere in-game. Everything I've mentioned above is also just me extrapolating info by just playing the game. There is NO WAY a player will know about this on a first playthrough, which is a problem as it makes certain weapons such as the Needler and Disruptor VERY INCONSISTENT.
The problem with this type of gun balance is that it becomes annoying to see certain enemies and weapons. It becomes even more annoying when certain weapons you use seemingly do nothing knowing their niches or not. In previous games I can use a needler and be happy using it against pretty much anything. The floor for entry with weapons vs enemies was close to the ceiling. If I had a needler vs an elite ok cool. If I had a needler vs a knight oh that’s good. Certain weapons definitely did better than some in scenarios but mostly nothing felt downright useless. Only cases where it felt pitiful was something like using a sniper against the flood. In infinite this isn’t the case. So many weapons fail to go against so many different things that it just becomes unfun. The floor fell into a hole while the ceiling stayed where it was.
@@namelessstranger1270 it’s crazy how this game lets you bring in the strongest weapons with full ammo, and then proceeds to sprinkle in ammo boxes that allow you to continue using the same guns the entire time. But if you try and ignore the benefits of the FOBs, you end up running around with the underwhelming and weak forerunner and banished sandbox that is hyper niche and generally underpowered. The exceptions to this are the mangler, the needler and the pulse carbine. It’s just not a fun way to design weapons
I still think Halo CE is one of the best Halo games of all time. I'll never forget the introduction to the Flood. You see dead bodies of the covenant, blood covering the walls. You ask yourself. "What happened here? I haven't been through here recently, what's wiping out the covenant forces?" Then you press onward and you see this weird yellow blood or substance dripping from the ceiling, you'd ask yourself. "What is that? That isn't from the covenant so what is it?" Then you go up the elevator and see it on the elevator as well. You eventually find the scared marine in a room, and he shoots at you, scared for dear life, then as you go the next room you find the dead marines and watch the footage of the video, you still have questions about everything that happened, but you now know something about the potential threat, but whatever questions you have must be put on hold as the Flood break down the doors looking for their next target, which is Masterchief, aka you. So your objective is to run and survive, find somewhere safe so you can assess the situation before moving further until you meet 343 Guilty Spark.
Even knowing the surprise that is to come, it still leaves my mind in awe. The flood is a wonderful foe that adds so much to the games, we need them back
@@theWheezywheezy I just wanna say I love your videos your the best in this ‘genre’ the shots you get with the music in the background broken up with clips I really do believe you could make a solid director, because you clearly understand atmosphere
Only issue with CE is the levels repeating and the lack of direction. I STILL get lost on some CE missions like 20 years of playing it. Halo 3 is my favourite but even that had repeating/reused levels.
Played Halo Reach with a grapple hook mod felt like whip cream on cherry pie Playing Halo infinite with a grapple hook felt like whipped cream with a cherry somewhere
CE somehow takes the win in multiple categories even if detached from all nostalgia. This not only speaks to Bungie's skill as designers but also how shoddily Infinite's campaign was unfortunately made.
ive played halo ce like 20 or 30 times... but halo infinite just once.... it didnt give me that feeling of keep playing .... it lacked alot of big moments to make me go through it again.... but halo ce , 2 and 3 had them...and 4 too not as much as others but it did....
All I know is that I've replayed the Halo CE campaign a couple dozen times over the years, but when I played Halo Infinite I couldn't even get through the campaign one time.
Infinite’s story felt so pointless. Like what actually changed by the end of the game? All we did was stop something from happening, we didn’t really make any kind of change
You never really change anything in ANY Halo game. In CE, 2 amd 3 you're just stopping the flood from taking over and stopping the Covenant. You jever actually change anything, that all happene off screen.
Halo CE will Always remain my favourite Halo to play and the best of the 3. I bloody pestered my dad into buying me an OG Xbox Just for this game when we already had a PS1&2.. He came home 2wks later after work with a preowned Xbox, Halo CE & Kotor1 😭😭 The mystery, the music, the weapons, the landscape/biomes, the enemy A.I, The Flood reveal, The Library is one of my most favourite Halo Campaign levels as nuts as that sounds.. Especially on Heroic with a few skull additions. Me, a shotgun, AR and loads of grenades. The final effort run to the Longsword and the music amping the crap outta you.. Assault on the Control Room.. Silent Cartographer.. Gahhhd!! Halo 2 & 3 are special in their own ways, too, but Halo CE just hits harder. Infinite was OK for the 1st 3 or 4 missions until the big energy drill mission with the Brute Gravity Hammer boss fight, but the story was dreadful again from 343, retconning what they did in the last game just like with Halo 4 and resurrecting Cortana only to massacre our girl in 5 and Infinite. The Weapon is fine with me. I like a new younger naive Cortana, and I like brohammer too. I'm just upset because they failed BIG TIME to deliver on a lore-infested Halo ring such as Zeta Halo. No dlc, nothing. And I imagine the next Halo game will recon all of Infinite and put Chief somewhere else off-screen in a timeskip.
Halo Combat Evolved is a rare game where you can’t really add or remove anything without breaking the game. It is basically perfect in what it sets out to do. Halo Infinite is more ambitious, but it also has way more stuff that the game could benefit from cutting down. I really don’t like replaying it that much even when the gameplay is really fun.
Ambitious? With 9 years of developement until today for desync, toystory-esque looking plastic graphics, 10 usd for color blue, no cross core customization, terrible customization, the worst battlepass, no legacy modes added but 2 years after release Idk,
I’m 31 and I’ve been playing Halo since I was 15. I do like Infinite a bit more than CE mainly because of the new Cortana, Echo, & the Banished leaders. Also even though we have one biome, it’s actually my favorite. I never get tired of just driving around on a chill day. But even though Infinite is my 3rd favorite in this franchise(Reach is my favorite), I agree, they could have done more with the map and additional enemies(adding to the mystery factor). I was a bit disappointed that we didn’t fight the endless in this game.
you forgot about the skimmers and skirmishers. I will say, Infinite's banished are by far the most fun the enemies have been to shoot at in the entire franchise, second place being CE, and I thought that wasnt possible
I love Halo CE , i was 11 when this game came out and i remember it like it was yesterday. I remember my friend was the one that was gifted and Xbox and halo ce and also a racing game called project Gotham racing. Im 34 years old now and i still love this game. Makes me sad because all most friends and family moved on from it. Seems like its only me that likes this game .
Yeah, I never understood why Halo infinite didn’t have more biomes, like desert, snow, jungle, swamp biomes. There’s no excuse as they had plenty of time and enough money since they are backed by Microsoft. Didn’t they spend $500 million on infinite? Lol what a waste
The biggest downfall of Infinite, especially compared to CE, is the lack of Automatic weapons/close quarters guns. In CE you've got the AR, Shotgun, Plasma Rifles, plasma Pistol(fired fast enough), needler. In infinite you have the.... AR and needler. All other weapons are for medium ranges. Even the shotgun. So when you get up close and personal you don't have much of anything. This leaves the game feeling bland as the only way to engage is at medium range unless you want to struggle
The fact that advanced movement in HALO of all things has been used and continually implemented is my biggest issue with 343 Halo. And it's funny because infinite markets itself as a return to form, yet has more of an emphasis on advanced movement then halo 5, with the fast recharging grappleshot& and slide tech. I hope halo 7 dodges the cookie cutter, unfun and generic movement we see in 99% of modern shooters.
The grapple is a really fun addition tho in my opinion and the other forms of movement expansions in Infinite are also solid. I don’t have a problem with advanced movement as long as it’s done well. I feel like Infinite is building advanced movement with the thought of expanding what made Halo fun whereas it was 5 that more-so just added tons of advanced movement filler because it was “in”. Instead of all of this “spartan charging” and “ground pounds” and silly stuff like that in 5 you get a lil bit of slide mechanics, grapplehooks, optional equipment like dashing, etc in Infinite. As much as I still love playing the older Halo games like 2, 3, ODST, the base movement was always the weakest aspect of those games imo. Whats wrong with some more depth to how you move around if its done well? Games like Doom Eternal added stuff like the meathook and dashing and I never see any of the Doom fans complaining about those mechanics because they aren’t “true to Doom”. As long as stuff is done well and is built off of what made the originals fun in the first place I welcome it with open arms. It’s just too bad Infinite as an entire product is undercooked as hell.
@@TortillaPizzeria There's nothing wrong with liking advanced movement. but the feature is antithetical to halo's design and is harmful in all forms of implementation.
@@Halofan-ey3ul Could you explain how it’s antithetical? What exactly does it ruin? I’m trying to see your point here. I understand wanting Halo to stick to it’s guns and not try to add stuff in that everyone else is doing but I’ve played pretty much every Halo to completion and I never found a problem with at least Infinite’s abilities, both multiplayer and singleplayer-wise. They feel very similar to stuff like Halo 3 and Reach’s equipment. hence why I’d wanna hear your opinion.
@@NeNukee Reach falls apart the more you think about it. It’s supposed to be humanity’s military stronghold, yet the most we ever see of this is maybe the opening fight of Tip of the Spear. Compare this to the opening of Halo 2 which actually has a Covenant invasion done right.
I wish we would get a more dark type of atmosphere that only ce really had wasted Potential moments when u find out what happend to fireteam Zulu or at least can guess with the music which most players dont spot it sends chills down my spine in a good way
The thing 343 is missing is definitely the horror element. The flood were the absolute best horror enemy in halo and they don’t even try to add any new horror or add them back
Halo infinite campaign felt like we skipped half the story. What about the beginning of the Battle of Installation 07. Team Osiris, Roland, Evil Cortana’s Human-AI War after the Infinity escaped at the end of Halo 5, Swords of Sanghelios, Dr. Halsey, Blue Team, even the Arbiter. Where are they after the end of Halo 5?! 343 is stupid for this! Leave us at a cliffhanger then skip that entire plot showing us the very end of that arc. That’s why Halo Infinite is a complete failure! I was so HYPED for that Human-AI War and now I’ll never experience it. 😭
I was hyped for them to retcon Halo 5 and undo the damage they did to Cortana’s character (pretending Evil Cortana never existed). Of course that didn’t happen either. We both got screwed
I'll save you 17 minutes: CE wipes the floor with infinite before you even start. Halo CE's story, gameplay, weapons, level design, characters, enemies, atmosphere, locations, music, sound effects, etc all wipe the floor with whatever the hell infinite was.
Halo CE from start to finish had weight, and endless imagination left to be had. The only gripe i have is i wish we could move like a real spartan. This was the 9nly good thing about Halo 5.
Sprinting would have completely destroyed that game, it was never designed for mobility mechanics that were stolen from other franchises to begin with. CE *is Halo,* "Halo" 5 is just a bad corporate clone made from copying what was trendy at the time. Actual passion, vision, quality > Soulless trend-chaser with no lasting legacy.
The easiest solution to have a campaign and an open world is to just leave us to our own devices on the Halo Ring and give us a sub menu where we can select and play missions at will in a quest tab. I don't know why no developer has done this yet because it'd allow us to have a streamlined campaign experience and an open world to mess around with after we finish the main story. Separating both experiences will lead to an objectively better game. The open world is a sandbox, the campaign is trying to tell a story, separating them should be a no-brainer.
Halo infinites map feels like a linear cyberpunk map, it was decent but once u do all the stuff what’s next? That’s just one problem with open world, I love them but once u do everything there’s nothing to do, if they were to do another open world game they should make like a halo online and make it like division where u have the PvP and PVE zones, they could have an open world halo and be able to keep supporting it to make it not boring like what rockstar does, and if they were to do that, it’d be dope to add in classes to choose, like if u wanna be a spartan marine or an odst or an elite, again would be sick
I would say play infinite I you want to go around and just have brainless fun, while play ce if you want to see a more compelling story. Both games can make some great memories but for opposite reasons.
CE > Infinite anyday, CE changed gaming forever, Infinite was always going to fail regardless of what 343 did, as it was all built on a decaying, rotted franchise as it's foundation.
If we have a CE remake I hope it combines some events in the books and Fireteam raven. But most importantly I know they will/have to fix CE's biggest issues: the second half repeat of levels.
this is why bungie did thing better, the story, the game play, making good religion/believes (via the covernant/irl) and fleshing out everything cus they know story and gameplay comes first, and yes, even tho halo CE to reach did had some/alot time constraints/less time to make the game (cough halo 2) but in the end its still a great game
Bungie halo is great 343 everything has made is garbage finally 343 is gone now we can delete there junk and start a new like we should and stick with bungies story and design
I like how 343 copied the synopsis of CE and setting but managed to somehow make infinite insanely boring with a bad story. They wanted to make their newest game as mid as possible in all aspects
Infinite was nothing more than a big "Game wasn't ready" Director: Don't care, deadline matter, release it. That and by the time contractors learned the actual engine they were gonna be gone in 2 months or slightly more. So it didn't matter.
The biggest difference is, I'll still go back and play Halo CE. I never finished Infinite, got to the last boss and ran out of f*cks to give. I would honestly rather replay 5, at least it felt complete. Infinite feels hollow, it's so obvious they scrapped the campaign to focus on selling $hitty multiplayer skins. The bosses are the worst in any Halo game, they're just boring bullet sponges. So much potential was wasted, it pisses me off beyond words with how they gave away multiplayer but charged campaign players full price for something they had no intention of supporting.
You put this video out right when i beat the campaign for the first time and I just can't believe this took them 5 years to make. The ending was also so terrible cortana dies for no reason and atriox survives and is like one of the endless or something I just don't get it. It feels like they killed her off for no reason. Just to replace her with a very annoying alternative. When master chief went to delete the weapon I couldn't care less I had 0 attachment to her. I tried to like her but she's just so annoying.
I don’t hate it. I actually loved it upon first playing it. I still like it, but replaying it is where it gets stale real quick for me. So much potential that was untapped.
Yes you are the only simp who support mediocrity, No co op, no splitscreen, desync, toystory-esque looking plastic dull lifeless graphics and 10 usd for color blue sir
Infinite had neat bosses, but horribly executed, boring story, a yelling antagonist hologram, no real cool cutscenes like prior games, it looked like MINECRAFT 😂 it looked like they shipped an incomplete campaign. The guns were lame as fuck in infinite, the maps were COD, the content was lacking, the microtransactions were trash the armors are trash, what a wreck. I trade my legendary edition for comp cause of the random ass noise it makes when it powers up, like they couldnt of just made a cool recognizable common noise like an energy shield? It sounds like a laggy plasma grenade and no option to mute. The movement is downgrade from 5, halo 5 had warzone atleast and breakout which was like search and destroy, but eventually 343 tweaked breakout so much it broke it and then they deleted it. Id still play 3/5 over infinite anyday, I still do.
Maybe unpopular opinion, Halo CE didn't give me any horror vibes. Maybe when I was too young to play it, but that's it. The "horror" elements feel more like eerie and spooky but not full on horror like everyone keeps saying
I agree, but it's clearly what they were going for. It doesn't and didn't scare me, but the environmental storytelling and cutscenes are clearly going for horror. 343 Guilty Sparks narrative progression is straight out of an 80's horror film
The campaigns of *Halo: CE Anniversary* and *Halo: Infinite* are very fun to play in my opinion. Then again, I play most of the campaigns on Normal difficulty for a balanced and realistic experience. Two things I would love to see is a 2-part campaign DLC for *Halo: Infinite* like what DOOM Eternal did, and a *Halo 3: Anniversary* for MCC. ❤👍🏻
I beat Halo Infinite on Legendary. Took about two days to beat. After that O tanked over 100 hours to find the ring messages and Easter eggs. I liked it but where’s the snow, the dirt sand, rain want a lot of rain 🌧️
I played Infinite once and will probably never play it again. I really wanted to like Infinite but everything about it is so boring. Ugly as hell too I dont know what they were thinking with those hexagon things it seriously looks like Minecraft from a distance. Everything about it, minus the gameplay, fell flat for me. CE stands above Infinite in every department except graphics. But even then, CEs visuals still have a charm to them. Im currently playing through it again.
Having an upgrade system would have worked for a spinoff or a offline title. But for the main character in the mainline title series? The whole thing has YOU choose how to develop masterchief... But that isn't how halo works, you don't choose how masterchief does things. You ARE masterchief. It pulls you away from the immersion to add something. Compare to how they did "upgrades" in halo 2. You are told your suit is better now, and show it to you and away you go. The whole thing screams of "oh, other people are doing open world level up stuff. We have to jump in also." No. you are making Halo. Stop copying other peoples work and throwing some "halo" spice onto it.
Its actually sad cause the book for infinite is one of the best halo books we've gotten. It was a awesome blend of Reachs mood of loss of hope and paired with some amazing ass characters.
The fact that a halo infinite is open world is the reason I still play the old series I can say I never even tried Halo Infinite because I didn’t want them to get my download
@@YouGotTheL nah, I jus replayed the campaign and think the gameplay is good, solid gameplay + pretty environments makes for a decent experience. Fully upgraded dash ability is fun to use in gunfights, and the grapple hook was a bold choice which was well implemented.
Halo Infinite did a lot of things good when it came to the gameplay, mechanics, and general feel. But what really killed me was how confined and almost trapped I actually felt in this "Open World". I also hated hearing about how the speedrunner community also damn near got euthanized with patches "fixing" these exploits for whats supposed to be a Solo/Co-op story experience. Overall, Halo Infinite was good for what it was trying to do. It had just fallen over itself over its own hype, and the over hype that us fans also gave it.
We need to put halo down. It’ll never be what it was. Infinite was a flop. Microsoft will never get the sauce right. Let Halo rest. Tired of looking at the what was.
I dont know. I think there's still great potential. The problem is they aren't utilizing the mature themes it has as well as garner the themes from the Bible it had when bungie was in control. The flood is underused and needs to have it's relevance brought back. The story telling should go back to adding mystery again instead of blatantly telling the player what's going on. As well as the universe has so much potential if they started making branching games with other focused stories. More odst, marines, other spartan battle stories, oni horror, covenant stories. There's the arbiter and his story of fighting for sanghelios. How about Sergent Johnson? Tell his story in a game. It's just about WHO handles the franchise. It's been monetarily focused, not creative or passion. If you hear about what the developers wanted to try or do, you'd realise if they were allowed the creative freedom and time to create it, we'd have a wonderful halo Renaissance. It needs to be more gritty and grounded. Halo has potential still. It hasn't run its course yet. Just poorly handled.
most of the stuff I cover will be old being better. I also do games I’m most familiar with, which are the ones I grew up with. Infinite here I’m not trying to dog on unfairly, I think it’s a great campaign to experience. I’ve tried experimenting, those videos flop hard. This one may flop hard too, but I’ve been testing out a format to branch out into other games that doesn’t come across as old vs new. Trust me, I’m trying to find a middle ground and want to branch out, but I also care about my channel’s success
Infinite's story felt like a pointless epilogue after the actual story already happened
That’s kinda 4 and 5 as well
It's actually kind of mind-blowing how much CE still holds up to this day, even in original graphics.
Halo ce is still my favorite game of all time, i play it on my og xbox at least once per month
Yeah, I normally play halo 3 multiplayer on mcc or halo infinite multiplayer, but I still play halo ce like once or twice a month, just playing my favorite missions, messing around, sometimes just watching the covenant and flood go at it
Regarding the gun balance, I want to talk about something very important you missed. (Long comment, bear with me).
Infinite has a pretty complex system for enemies where they have Energy Shields/Armor Plating/Health. Shields and Health are self-explanatory. Armor plating, on the other hand, are specific armor modules localized on parts of an enemy's body that can be shot off. So, in order to deal full damage to a brute, you'll need to shoot the chest armor off and then repeatedly shoot the chest. If you shoot off the chest armor, then hit the head, your bullets will do reduced damage as the head armor is still intact. Unlike shields, which block damage, armor plating simply REDUCES damage. I hope I explained it well enough.
Either way, some enemies in Infinite have no armor or shields. Some have shields, but no armor (all elites). Some have armor but no shields (low level brutes). Some have both (high level brutes). The reason this is important is because Infinite's gun balance is based heavily around this system, with individual guns and bullets being tuned to effect different things more.
You said the needler felt weak- well, that's just wrong. Infinite's needler is one of the strongest and most useful needlers in the series (in campaign, not talking about PVP). Why does it feel weak then?
It's because supercombining DOES NOT WORK against shields. Doesn't matter how many you land, the needler will literally do piss all against energy shields. It, on the other hand, will obliterate armor plating and health. This creates scenarios where a needler in Infinite will absolutely obliterate Brute Chieftans but do jackshit against low level Elites. It's because the Needler is specifically designed to destroy armor plating and health, whereas in previous games it worked against mostly everything.
Another example of this is hardlight weapons- they work well against shields and health, but work poorly versus armor plating. This makes them good for killing Elites (Shields, no Armor) and Grunts (No Armor/No Shields) but poor versus Brutes (Every Brute has some level of Armor plating).
This system, though complex and very good for balance (IMO) isn't explained or indicated anywhere in-game. Everything I've mentioned above is also just me extrapolating info by just playing the game. There is NO WAY a player will know about this on a first playthrough, which is a problem as it makes certain weapons such as the Needler and Disruptor VERY INCONSISTENT.
The problem with this type of gun balance is that it becomes annoying to see certain enemies and weapons. It becomes even more annoying when certain weapons you use seemingly do nothing knowing their niches or not.
In previous games I can use a needler and be happy using it against pretty much anything. The floor for entry with weapons vs enemies was close to the ceiling. If I had a needler vs an elite ok cool. If I had a needler vs a knight oh that’s good. Certain weapons definitely did better than some in scenarios but mostly nothing felt downright useless. Only cases where it felt pitiful was something like using a sniper against the flood.
In infinite this isn’t the case. So many weapons fail to go against so many different things that it just becomes unfun. The floor fell into a hole while the ceiling stayed where it was.
@@Etha-xi8ei BR + Pulse Rifle + Grappleshot carries you for 90% of the game though.
@@namelessstranger1270 it’s crazy how this game lets you bring in the strongest weapons with full ammo, and then proceeds to sprinkle in ammo boxes that allow you to continue using the same guns the entire time.
But if you try and ignore the benefits of the FOBs, you end up running around with the underwhelming and weak forerunner and banished sandbox that is hyper niche and generally underpowered.
The exceptions to this are the mangler, the needler and the pulse carbine.
It’s just not a fun way to design weapons
You put too much thought and time into a bad game (I’m talking bout infinite)
I still think Halo CE is one of the best Halo games of all time. I'll never forget the introduction to the Flood. You see dead bodies of the covenant, blood covering the walls. You ask yourself. "What happened here? I haven't been through here recently, what's wiping out the covenant forces?" Then you press onward and you see this weird yellow blood or substance dripping from the ceiling, you'd ask yourself. "What is that? That isn't from the covenant so what is it?" Then you go up the elevator and see it on the elevator as well. You eventually find the scared marine in a room, and he shoots at you, scared for dear life, then as you go the next room you find the dead marines and watch the footage of the video, you still have questions about everything that happened, but you now know something about the potential threat, but whatever questions you have must be put on hold as the Flood break down the doors looking for their next target, which is Masterchief, aka you. So your objective is to run and survive, find somewhere safe so you can assess the situation before moving further until you meet 343 Guilty Spark.
Even knowing the surprise that is to come, it still leaves my mind in awe. The flood is a wonderful foe that adds so much to the games, we need them back
@@theWheezywheezy I just wanna say I love your videos your the best in this ‘genre’ the shots you get with the music in the background broken up with clips I really do believe you could make a solid director, because you clearly understand atmosphere
@DinoHunter-2150L take lol
@@Idefkwtda Means a lot, thank you!
Halo Infinite has a better soundtrack though especially compared to the under cover of infinite's than ce.
Halo CE was the best Halo period
Only issue with CE is the levels repeating and the lack of direction.
I STILL get lost on some CE missions like 20 years of playing it.
Halo 3 is my favourite but even that had repeating/reused levels.
@@grahamhill676i dont really mind the repeated levels because the scenarios are so much different and the gameplay is so fun
@@grahamhill676Skill issue
@@grahamhill676 Halo 3 has areas where you backtrack through previously cleared rooms, but the only repeat level is Floodgate.
Played Halo Reach with a grapple hook mod felt like whip cream on cherry pie
Playing Halo infinite with a grapple hook felt like whipped cream with a cherry somewhere
LOOOOOL
This is underrated comparison
CE somehow takes the win in multiple categories even if detached from all nostalgia. This not only speaks to Bungie's skill as designers but also how shoddily Infinite's campaign was unfortunately made.
Exactly. The fact that this comparison can even be made is embarrassing for 343. The fact that CE wins is just the cherry on top.
it's not nostalgia, CE is objectively a better game
CE: revolutionary instant classic
Infinite: forgettable open world slop
ive played halo ce like 20 or 30 times... but halo infinite just once.... it didnt give me that feeling of keep playing .... it lacked alot of big moments to make me go through it again.... but halo ce , 2 and 3 had them...and 4 too not as much as others but it did....
All I know is that I've replayed the Halo CE campaign a couple dozen times over the years, but when I played Halo Infinite I couldn't even get through the campaign one time.
Infinite’s story felt so pointless. Like what actually changed by the end of the game? All we did was stop something from happening, we didn’t really make any kind of change
Thats 343, there u go
i guess they tried to build it into the DLC but it seemingly got cancelled. the ending sent chills tho cuz it was mendicant bias
@@NoobyPandora offensive bias
@@YodaOnABender Sorry yk what i meant
You never really change anything in ANY Halo game. In CE, 2 amd 3 you're just stopping the flood from taking over and stopping the Covenant. You jever actually change anything, that all happene off screen.
Halo CE will Always remain my favourite Halo to play and the best of the 3.
I bloody pestered my dad into buying me an OG Xbox Just for this game when we already had a PS1&2.. He came home 2wks later after work with a preowned Xbox, Halo CE & Kotor1 😭😭
The mystery, the music, the weapons, the landscape/biomes, the enemy A.I, The Flood reveal, The Library is one of my most favourite Halo Campaign levels as nuts as that sounds.. Especially on Heroic with a few skull additions. Me, a shotgun, AR and loads of grenades.
The final effort run to the Longsword and the music amping the crap outta you..
Assault on the Control Room..
Silent Cartographer..
Gahhhd!!
Halo 2 & 3 are special in their own ways, too, but Halo CE just hits harder.
Infinite was OK for the 1st 3 or 4 missions until the big energy drill mission with the Brute Gravity Hammer boss fight, but the story was dreadful again from 343, retconning what they did in the last game just like with Halo 4 and resurrecting Cortana only to massacre our girl in 5 and Infinite.
The Weapon is fine with me. I like a new younger naive Cortana, and I like brohammer too.
I'm just upset because they failed BIG TIME to deliver on a lore-infested Halo ring such as Zeta Halo.
No dlc, nothing.
And I imagine the next Halo game will recon all of Infinite and put Chief somewhere else off-screen in a timeskip.
Halo Combat Evolved is a rare game where you can’t really add or remove anything without breaking the game. It is basically perfect in what it sets out to do.
Halo Infinite is more ambitious, but it also has way more stuff that the game could benefit from cutting down. I really don’t like replaying it that much even when the gameplay is really fun.
Ambitious?
With 9 years of developement until today for desync, toystory-esque looking plastic graphics, 10 usd for color blue, no cross core customization, terrible customization, the worst battlepass, no legacy modes added but 2 years after release
Idk,
The only thing ambitious about Infinite was its depths of depravity regarding how much monetization was in the game.
@@firestarter6488 remember halo fanboys wont agree with you and call you toxic cod fan/ bungieliver
this was a chill watch! keep up the great work
I’m 31 and I’ve been playing Halo since I was 15. I do like Infinite a bit more than CE mainly because of the new Cortana, Echo, & the Banished leaders. Also even though we have one biome, it’s actually my favorite. I never get tired of just driving around on a chill day. But even though Infinite is my 3rd favorite in this franchise(Reach is my favorite), I agree, they could have done more with the map and additional enemies(adding to the mystery factor). I was a bit disappointed that we didn’t fight the endless in this game.
Humans are forerunners
Wrong
@@massid3774 No
You ARE forerunner. But this ring is MINE.
@@massid3774 humans are forerunners that's the only reason the prophets declared war on them
@@tonyblack4833 that was the case until halo 3
you forgot about the skimmers and skirmishers. I will say, Infinite's banished are by far the most fun the enemies have been to shoot at in the entire franchise, second place being CE, and I thought that wasnt possible
I love Halo CE , i was 11 when this game came out and i remember it like it was yesterday. I remember my friend was the one that was gifted and Xbox and halo ce and also a racing game called project Gotham racing. Im 34 years old now and i still love this game. Makes me sad because all most friends and family moved on from it. Seems like its only me that likes this game .
Yeah, I never understood why Halo infinite didn’t have more biomes, like desert, snow, jungle, swamp biomes. There’s no excuse as they had plenty of time and enough money since they are backed by Microsoft. Didn’t they spend $500 million on infinite? Lol what a waste
The biggest downfall of Infinite, especially compared to CE, is the lack of Automatic weapons/close quarters guns.
In CE you've got the AR, Shotgun, Plasma Rifles, plasma Pistol(fired fast enough), needler.
In infinite you have the.... AR and needler. All other weapons are for medium ranges. Even the shotgun.
So when you get up close and personal you don't have much of anything. This leaves the game feeling bland as the only way to engage is at medium range unless you want to struggle
Great video and the edit was amazing
The fact that advanced movement in HALO of all things has been used and continually implemented is my biggest issue with 343 Halo.
And it's funny because infinite markets itself as a return to form, yet has more of an emphasis on advanced movement then halo 5, with the fast recharging grappleshot& and slide tech.
I hope halo 7 dodges the cookie cutter, unfun and generic movement we see in 99% of modern shooters.
The grapple is a really fun addition tho in my opinion and the other forms of movement expansions in Infinite are also solid. I don’t have a problem with advanced movement as long as it’s done well. I feel like Infinite is building advanced movement with the thought of expanding what made Halo fun whereas it was 5 that more-so just added tons of advanced movement filler because it was “in”. Instead of all of this “spartan charging” and “ground pounds” and silly stuff like that in 5 you get a lil bit of slide mechanics, grapplehooks, optional equipment like dashing, etc in Infinite.
As much as I still love playing the older Halo games like 2, 3, ODST, the base movement was always the weakest aspect of those games imo. Whats wrong with some more depth to how you move around if its done well? Games like Doom Eternal added stuff like the meathook and dashing and I never see any of the Doom fans complaining about those mechanics because they aren’t “true to Doom”. As long as stuff is done well and is built off of what made the originals fun in the first place I welcome it with open arms. It’s just too bad Infinite as an entire product is undercooked as hell.
@@TortillaPizzeria There's nothing wrong with liking advanced movement.
but the feature is antithetical to halo's design and is harmful in all forms of implementation.
@@Halofan-ey3ul Could you explain how it’s antithetical? What exactly does it ruin? I’m trying to see your point here. I understand wanting Halo to stick to it’s guns and not try to add stuff in that everyone else is doing but I’ve played pretty much every Halo to completion and I never found a problem with at least Infinite’s abilities, both multiplayer and singleplayer-wise. They feel very similar to stuff like Halo 3 and Reach’s equipment. hence why I’d wanna hear your opinion.
The story ended after Halo 3 for me. Everything beyond that narrative wise is such a mess
Reach?
@@NeNukee Reach is good. Prequel anyways
@@NeNukee Reach falls apart the more you think about it. It’s supposed to be humanity’s military stronghold, yet the most we ever see of this is maybe the opening fight of Tip of the Spear. Compare this to the opening of Halo 2 which actually has a Covenant invasion done right.
I think the most annoying thing about 343 isn’t just the bad stuff, but Anything good they manage to accomplish just gets retconned in the next game.
Halo CE is easily the best campaign of the series
Back in 03 as a lil kid i was so scared playing when the flood came out there was specific mission i was so terrified of lol
Marine t-pose at 11:18 lol
Mf panicked and his first thought was to try asserting dominance over the flood
In fact one of the videos of all time
Real
I wish we would get a more dark type of atmosphere that only ce really had wasted Potential moments when u find out what happend to fireteam Zulu or at least can guess with the music which most players dont spot it sends chills down my spine in a good way
Man I really thought it’d be cool if they added the campaign dlc as pieces of the ring being repaired which would make so much sense
Halo CE is better. Full Stop.
Fuck yeah. Nothing goes wrong with OG Halo 🔥🔥
The thing 343 is missing is definitely the horror element. The flood were the absolute best horror enemy in halo and they don’t even try to add any new horror or add them back
Great video!
When’s the merch dropping??
I wish we got another Halo game past Reach 😢
Nailed it
Halo infinite campaign felt like we skipped half the story. What about the beginning of the Battle of Installation 07. Team Osiris, Roland, Evil Cortana’s Human-AI War after the Infinity escaped at the end of Halo 5, Swords of Sanghelios, Dr. Halsey, Blue Team, even the Arbiter. Where are they after the end of Halo 5?! 343 is stupid for this! Leave us at a cliffhanger then skip that entire plot showing us the very end of that arc. That’s why Halo Infinite is a complete failure! I was so HYPED for that Human-AI War and now I’ll never experience it. 😭
I was hyped for them to retcon Halo 5 and undo the damage they did to Cortana’s character (pretending Evil Cortana never existed). Of course that didn’t happen either.
We both got screwed
They retconned what they set up in 4.
You were warned through that, why did you expect them to actually follow through in any meaningful way?
Awesome coverage
Good analysis!
I'll save you 17 minutes: CE wipes the floor with infinite before you even start. Halo CE's story, gameplay, weapons, level design, characters, enemies, atmosphere, locations, music, sound effects, etc all wipe the floor with whatever the hell infinite was.
Halo CE from start to finish had weight, and endless imagination left to be had. The only gripe i have is i wish we could move like a real spartan. This was the 9nly good thing about Halo 5.
Well your always basically in a fast jog when your moving around and doing that constantly without getting tired is pretty spartan like
Sprinting would have completely destroyed that game, it was never designed for mobility mechanics that were stolen from other franchises to begin with.
CE *is Halo,* "Halo" 5 is just a bad corporate clone made from copying what was trendy at the time.
Actual passion, vision, quality > Soulless trend-chaser with no lasting legacy.
@@ToubYu but that's not even remotely 1% of their capabilities.
@@TheRambler-pz1gx well there’s never really a spot in CE where a Spartan would need to full on sprint
Great video, well made!
The easiest solution to have a campaign and an open world is to just leave us to our own devices on the Halo Ring and give us a sub menu where we can select and play missions at will in a quest tab. I don't know why no developer has done this yet because it'd allow us to have a streamlined campaign experience and an open world to mess around with after we finish the main story. Separating both experiences will lead to an objectively better game. The open world is a sandbox, the campaign is trying to tell a story, separating them should be a no-brainer.
This is like comparing Lord of the Rings to the rings of power. But at least the rings of power had a vision.
Halo infinites map feels like a linear cyberpunk map, it was decent but once u do all the stuff what’s next? That’s just one problem with open world, I love them but once u do everything there’s nothing to do, if they were to do another open world game they should make like a halo online and make it like division where u have the PvP and PVE zones, they could have an open world halo and be able to keep supporting it to make it not boring like what rockstar does, and if they were to do that, it’d be dope to add in classes to choose, like if u wanna be a spartan marine or an odst or an elite, again would be sick
I would say play infinite I you want to go around and just have brainless fun, while play ce if you want to see a more compelling story. Both games can make some great memories but for opposite reasons.
Nothing about "infinite" is fun
@@YouGotTheL I had fun but not as good as 3 or CE
CE > Infinite anyday, CE changed gaming forever, Infinite was always going to fail regardless of what 343 did, as it was all built on a decaying, rotted franchise as it's foundation.
If we have a CE remake I hope it combines some events in the books and Fireteam raven. But most importantly I know they will/have to fix CE's biggest issues: the second half repeat of levels.
dang its been a minute and no views? gotchu brother
this is why bungie did thing better, the story, the game play, making good religion/believes (via the covernant/irl) and fleshing out everything cus they know story and gameplay comes first, and yes, even tho halo CE to reach did had some/alot time constraints/less time to make the game (cough halo 2) but in the end its still a great game
0:42 I really just can't stand this line you said here but it's the truth , cool video though btw
No. The story is whack. The only good thing in this game is the sling. CE is king
@@typhlosion4223No no lol I meant games with more better graphics get more attention while older games just don't
I'm so sick of open world games.
you have become a sniffer
Bungie halo is great 343 everything has made is garbage finally 343 is gone now we can delete there junk and start a new like we should and stick with bungies story and design
The fact that a halo infinite is open world is the reason I still play the old series
Combat evolved wipes the floor with Infinite
RIP Halo, Remaster Fable 3, and revive Halo!
I agree, I never liked the open world. I felt like it ruined the Halo’s scenery. It made the world felt real
I like how 343 copied the synopsis of CE and setting but managed to somehow make infinite insanely boring with a bad story. They wanted to make their newest game as mid as possible in all aspects
Infinite was nothing more than a big "Game wasn't ready"
Director: Don't care, deadline matter, release it. That and by the time contractors learned the actual engine they were gonna be gone in 2 months or slightly more. So it didn't matter.
Let’s be real, we only rank CE high because of nostalgic factor. If Halo CE came out today, we would call it garbage.
Context of the time means nothing to you? You're right that some flaws would stand out more, but garbage?
The biggest difference is, I'll still go back and play Halo CE. I never finished Infinite, got to the last boss and ran out of f*cks to give. I would honestly rather replay 5, at least it felt complete. Infinite feels hollow, it's so obvious they scrapped the campaign to focus on selling $hitty multiplayer skins. The bosses are the worst in any Halo game, they're just boring bullet sponges. So much potential was wasted, it pisses me off beyond words with how they gave away multiplayer but charged campaign players full price for something they had no intention of supporting.
HALO INFINITE CAMPAIGN IS DULL & LACKLUSTER & SIMPLE AF I SHOULD KNOW CAUSE I GOT 100% COMPLETION
Long story short, infinite is trash.. anything positive aside from "it's new so it plays/looks good" are just sweet nothings.
You put this video out right when i beat the campaign for the first time and I just can't believe this took them 5 years to make. The ending was also so terrible cortana dies for no reason and atriox survives and is like one of the endless or something I just don't get it. It feels like they killed her off for no reason. Just to replace her with a very annoying alternative. When master chief went to delete the weapon I couldn't care less I had 0 attachment to her. I tried to like her but she's just so annoying.
I Love Halo Infinite Campaign
Am I the only who doesn’t hate halo infinite campaign?
I don’t hate it. I actually loved it upon first playing it. I still like it, but replaying it is where it gets stale real quick for me. So much potential that was untapped.
No
It’s decent, just very undercooked
I don't think people hated it, but it's clearly underdeveloped
Yes you are the only simp who support mediocrity,
No co op, no splitscreen, desync, toystory-esque looking plastic dull lifeless graphics and 10 usd for color blue sir
Infinite had neat bosses, but horribly executed, boring story, a yelling antagonist hologram, no real cool cutscenes like prior games, it looked like MINECRAFT 😂 it looked like they shipped an incomplete campaign. The guns were lame as fuck in infinite, the maps were COD, the content was lacking, the microtransactions were trash the armors are trash, what a wreck. I trade my legendary edition for comp cause of the random ass noise it makes when it powers up, like they couldnt of just made a cool recognizable common noise like an energy shield? It sounds like a laggy plasma grenade and no option to mute.
The movement is downgrade from 5, halo 5 had warzone atleast and breakout which was like search and destroy, but eventually 343 tweaked breakout so much it broke it and then they deleted it.
Id still play 3/5 over infinite anyday, I still do.
Was this even a competition
Maybe unpopular opinion, Halo CE didn't give me any horror vibes. Maybe when I was too young to play it, but that's it. The "horror" elements feel more like eerie and spooky but not full on horror like everyone keeps saying
I agree, but it's clearly what they were going for. It doesn't and didn't scare me, but the environmental storytelling and cutscenes are clearly going for horror. 343 Guilty Sparks narrative progression is straight out of an 80's horror film
The only thing dated about halo ce in my opinion are the human models and interior level designs.
The campaigns of *Halo: CE Anniversary* and *Halo: Infinite* are very fun to play in my opinion. Then again, I play most of the campaigns on Normal difficulty for a balanced and realistic experience.
Two things I would love to see is a 2-part campaign DLC for *Halo: Infinite* like what DOOM Eternal did, and a *Halo 3: Anniversary* for MCC. ❤👍🏻
ngl i could see a Halo CE remastered with better graphics.
I beat Halo Infinite on Legendary. Took about two days to beat. After that O tanked over 100 hours to find the ring messages and Easter eggs. I liked it but where’s the snow, the dirt sand, rain want a lot of rain 🌧️
Infinite was good, but could have been so much better
I played Infinite once and will probably never play it again. I really wanted to like Infinite but everything about it is so boring. Ugly as hell too I dont know what they were thinking with those hexagon things it seriously looks like Minecraft from a distance. Everything about it, minus the gameplay, fell flat for me. CE stands above Infinite in every department except graphics. But even then, CEs visuals still have a charm to them. Im currently playing through it again.
Having an upgrade system would have worked for a spinoff or a offline title. But for the main character in the mainline title series? The whole thing has YOU choose how to develop masterchief...
But that isn't how halo works, you don't choose how masterchief does things. You ARE masterchief. It pulls you away from the immersion to add something.
Compare to how they did "upgrades" in halo 2. You are told your suit is better now, and show it to you and away you go.
The whole thing screams of "oh, other people are doing open world level up stuff. We have to jump in also."
No. you are making Halo. Stop copying other peoples work and throwing some "halo" spice onto it.
Its actually sad cause the book for infinite is one of the best halo books we've gotten. It was a awesome blend of Reachs mood of loss of hope and paired with some amazing ass characters.
so old good, new bad. okay
I really hope we get another Infinite style campaign, I think it works well.
Developed by 343, nope sir
NO. Are you out of your mind?
This is skibidi toilet type shit here, can't believe you made a video on that game based off of fortnite :/
my brother in christ. what.
@@justanotherodst.954 I have nothing
If you’re missing a chromosome just say shit.
You're insane
Bro got ratio'd 💀
W Video
The fact that a halo infinite is open world is the reason I still play the old series I can say I never even tried Halo Infinite because I didn’t want them to get my download
I need to play Halo Infinite on normal
No, you need to play the better Halos
Infinite has zero benefits, its crap whatever way you cut it.
Halo infinite is good, it's just missing a bit of seasoning and soul
So in otherwords it's bad.
@@YouGotTheL No it is absolutely not a bad game at all, it's a 7/10 in my opinion
@Thisisahandle701 Yes it is a bad game. You just have a garbage taste. That or you're paid by them to say it's anything decent
@@YouGotTheL nah, I jus replayed the campaign and think the gameplay is good, solid gameplay + pretty environments makes for a decent experience. Fully upgraded dash ability is fun to use in gunfights, and the grapple hook was a bold choice which was well implemented.
Halo Infinite did a lot of things good when it came to the gameplay, mechanics, and general feel.
But what really killed me was how confined and almost trapped I actually felt in this "Open World".
I also hated hearing about how the speedrunner community also damn near got euthanized with patches "fixing" these exploits for whats supposed to be a Solo/Co-op story experience.
Overall, Halo Infinite was good for what it was trying to do. It had just fallen over itself over its own hype, and the over hype that us fans also gave it.
We need to put halo down. It’ll never be what it was. Infinite was a flop. Microsoft will never get the sauce right. Let Halo rest. Tired of looking at the what was.
I dont know. I think there's still great potential. The problem is they aren't utilizing the mature themes it has as well as garner the themes from the Bible it had when bungie was in control. The flood is underused and needs to have it's relevance brought back. The story telling should go back to adding mystery again instead of blatantly telling the player what's going on. As well as the universe has so much potential if they started making branching games with other focused stories. More odst, marines, other spartan battle stories, oni horror, covenant stories. There's the arbiter and his story of fighting for sanghelios. How about Sergent Johnson? Tell his story in a game. It's just about WHO handles the franchise. It's been monetarily focused, not creative or passion. If you hear about what the developers wanted to try or do, you'd realise if they were allowed the creative freedom and time to create it, we'd have a wonderful halo Renaissance. It needs to be more gritty and grounded. Halo has potential still. It hasn't run its course yet. Just poorly handled.
People said this about Metroid before its redemption arc.
@@MonteRicardas long as Microsoft/343 own the game it will never have a redemption
So is your whole channel just gonna be “old good new bad” forever?
most of the stuff I cover will be old being better. I also do games I’m most familiar with, which are the ones I grew up with. Infinite here I’m not trying to dog on unfairly, I think it’s a great campaign to experience.
I’ve tried experimenting, those videos flop hard. This one may flop hard too, but I’ve been testing out a format to branch out into other games that doesn’t come across as old vs new. Trust me, I’m trying to find a middle ground and want to branch out, but I also care about my channel’s success
@@theWheezy fair enough, sorry if I came off a bit dickish in my comment, thanks for the honest and respectful response
@@jadedteevee It's all good, it's fair criticism and respect it. Didn't seem that dickish to me
21 views in 5 minutes, bro fell off
I so fell off
@@theWheezy 😭
Back in 03 as kid i was so scared playing when the flood came out there was specific mission i was so terrified of lol