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8:00 It's not unlucky. It's bad QA/QC. You are not a high volume company, you don't sell ten's of thousands of units a week. It's not that hard to check and make sure everything is properly seated and connected before shipping.
Saying it’s unlucky, only DIY consumers would care about cables, how he wouldn’t of even noticed the power button light issue himself….. just constantly making excuses and being defensive. I liked Asmongolds reaction better, he acknowledged the criticisms adamantly and was very humble. Didn’t spend a single second excusing or defending it. You can always judge someone’s maturity levels by how they handle criticism.
@@dentedavalanche Yes, and regardless of whether it's DIY, the customer should have the option to upgrade in the future, that's kinda one of the MSP's of Desktops. Otherwise we'd just buy a laptop. Mixing cables could kill your whole system.
That’s a very unfortunate cable too, since those are the cpu power cables. End user would have a very fun time trying to diagnose something like that if they weren’t techies.
@@archivedfrytoastfrill9675 This is it. It costs them money to get on the phone and walk a customer through the problem, and also affects their status.
Yea theyre the ones selling the pcs, how hard is it to double check if all cables are connected. Imagine paying 3500 for a pc but i didnt boot for one small mistake that could have been avoided in 30 secs or less
Linus was incredibly fair & honestly Starforge system came out fairly unscathed. Just look to his past “Secret Shopper” series to see how bad system integrators can actually fuck up. Ngl the vid from linus was just straight up free advice for asmon and starforge from a guy who's been part of that industry for god knows how many years.
for almost as long as youtube exists
Let's wait for when they include Starforge into secret shopper next edition :D
Not biased my ass lol he talked about scandals for about 20 minutes
ngl they still burned this company. I would never buy a pc from there considering that u can just pay 10 bucks at most computer stores in my region and they biuild you the pc with service and warranty. i think 900 is more than 10.
@@kawalamac build your own damn pc its ten times cheaper
the thing is, the cables are a part of the PSU when you buy it. So, if we are paying for the parts (along with your building prices and other markups), we should be receiving all of them. We get to decide what we want to do with those parts. The SI should not be making that decision on our behalf. Also, there comes another question of cable compatibility. Plugging in the wrong cable in the PSU, even one that looks identical to the original cable, can sometimes cause the whole PSU to short, or even worse, cause a power surge to the actual PC components bricking them forever, which is a very costly thing to just forgive. Please include the cables, and let the customer figure out what to do with them.
Gonna go ahead and recommend you build your own PC if you want to get the most value for your money. In this case, getting all the stuff you pay for isn't gonna be straightforward. They might be getting retail boxes for PSUs or they may not be. They might be ordering only the specific cables they need with the extras not even being provided, like they would to a consumer buying a retail packaged PSU.
One can't always assume things function the same for everyone. If I was an SI I'd be making a deal with PSU vendor to bring that cost as low as possible, which would include not having them send extra cables (saves them on production for me, since batch-style is likely how things will be done anyway). I could be wrong, they could be getting them off the shelf at Best Buy, but if they are running a business trying to sell prebuilt computers, I doubt it.
@@boburanus69 cope i paid for the fucking cables give me the cables. for 3500 dollars why are they skimping out on a 10c part(this cheap because its in bulk) makes you wonder what else they are skimping out on..
@@boburanus69 See, the thing is, whenever and SI orders a PC component(s), they get the same component(s) that as the retail model, there are no separate "packaging" for SI. This is because of the point I already made in my comment above. CABLES are MATCHED to the PSU. If you wanted to have external cables, sure, you can do them, but that takes a lot more effort on the end user's side to make sure of the compatibility, effort which could have been EASILY saved had the SI included the cables. If the end user already knows about such compatibilities, they will not go to an SI to buy a pre-built PC. The cables come in the box, regardless of whether you are a normal individual ordering the parts, or having an SI do it on your behalf (including the rest of the build).
Let's assume for a moment they really do build every PC from retail boxed parts. This means they aren't getting as good a deal on parts. This means they are going to be less profitable.
Any time you want to have a conversation about what a company does or how process works, you need to switch your brain to think in terms of 'scale.'
What you're saying would make sense if they only built one PC. But they are building PCs in quantity for resale... for profit. It makes more sense not to order extra packaging/accessories in the first place. Those things cost money, and at scale, can be profits down the drain for what amounts to: ewaste.
All PC manufacturers and SI have a mission to be profitable. That only happens if they aren't doing this the way an end user would do it themselves. Thinking about it from a retail perspective is entirely the wrong way. I promise you they would never ever pay retail pricing, and would do whatever it takes to avoid that (including not getting extra cables with your PSU).
If I'm wrong, these guys won't last long. Unless no one is getting paid to build these, they have already eaten their margins by the time the PC is built.
@@boburanus69 so, basically, Puget Systems, Origin PC, iBuyPower, MainGear, etc should have all gone bankrupt according to what you are saying. They never skimp on such a small detail. Even Linus was confused as to why they would keep the cables for themselves.
As for the retail prices, I'm pretty sure the SI will rarely pay the retail price of the unit. They buy in bulk, so naturally, they should be getting a discounted price. (I am not sure if this is true, feel free to enlighten me).
As for the inclusion of cables, they are a part of PSU. They will be included in the box, no matter who is buying them. What are the SI going to do with collecting all the "unused" cables that come included with the PSU? (even Linus said this last sentence)
I love how much power Linus holds when it comes to reviews about Technology
Starforge new slogans "it makes sense" and "it broadly works"
Soda’s response is a little concerning very dismissive of Linus’s critiques. I don’t watch soda often so many he is just like this… but at least Asmongold seemed more receptive in his video
These little mistake would be inexcusable 5 years from now. But for a first line of product, this is pretty good.
It's not a first line of products it's a PC with standard parts. They're inexcusable now if they weren't streamers.
Nah this is pretty rough when the company is mostly made up of people with experience in the field via Artesian. The kinds of people who buy pre-built computers aren't going to be able to correct these issues nearly as easily as someone who has built many themselves. You spend 3500 on a computer and it arrives with the cables not plugged in and some plugged in wrong (especially the power led cables which can be very difficult to walk a layman through correcting), they are going to have a heart attack.
It is building a computer, it isn't something immensely complex there is no excuse for any flaws in configuration.
@@Outwardpd This company builder penis rocket its a no match from ph declassified system in terms of pc moding and building a perfect form pc
$3500 and the company can't even connect the case to the MB properly.
I've watched this Linus tech tips video 3 times now lol. First Linus, then Asmon, and now Soda.
Same, Asmon was hilarious.
You need life dude
If you don't even know what those molex, sata power and other extra modular cables are, who are you to run a system integration business.
Let's look at the problem of extra cables.
When buying a complete team you are receiving new components, which you paid for, and which when buying them individually come in some cases with cables, extra accessories.
Now when you receive the equipment you realize (as linus said), that there should be extra cables that come with that particular component.
It is not the same to pay 60 dollars (even more, depending on the seller), and receive the source with all its cables, than to pay 60 dollars (even more, depending on the seller) and receive a power source with only 3 of 8 cables.
Now what do you do to those extra cables? Do you reuse them? And if so, then they are not brand new components.
It is my opinion; Also some of the twitch chat said the same.
That food critic analogy isn't it chief (8:00). it's so easy to secure a tab onto a pin for a mobo. Once the pins are latched it's going to stay in. a better comparison could be you order something off the menu @ a restaurant but the chef decided not to incorporate an important ingredient that's ALWAYS there so it tastes bad. Point is, if the pins aren't in correctly then the power hungry CPU won't boot the computer causing the customer problems straight out of the box.
I suggest having a quality control team, their job would be to inspect the PC prior to shipping.
As for the extra modular cables, as much as you may hate extra cables as a consumer, it is better than the company having over 1000 cables just laying about.
For setting up windows, I suggest adding the EULA to the terms and conditions for buying the PC. Also add the COA to the PC, just put it in the accessory box or put it inside the back panel.
Edit: I did forget to mention that the Streamers being a part of the company, they are going to have customers jump in because of the fans of each streamer.
And while the COO runs things, you streamers are literally the voice of the company.
As for the price comparison, being within a couple hundred dollars of a custom PC builder, you guys actually are worth the money to those who don't know/want to build their own computer.
9:03
So basically restricting an upgrade path for 0 reason is because the person buying a prebuilt doesn't know shit is what you're saying.
They SHOULD go to the costumer, it provides an UPGRADE PATH which minimizes EWASTE..
Just because the majority of your customers aren't tech savvy doesn't mean that they cant have someone help them upgrade their system. What are you even going to be doing with the rest of the modular cables anyway? The PSU comes with a full set of them.
Poor excuses is what Im hearing
everyone in chat "hes just being nit picky" well id hope people would be on a pc that cost 1500 more than one you can just build yourself. if im payinng 1500 dollars more it should be plug and play with zero issues that's the point of paying for a prebuilt lmao.
he said $900 not $1500 and that wasnt including the price drop for GPU so its maybe $800-$700 more expensive than building your own. honestly if i made a lot of money i wouldnt mind spending that much more to avoid any hassle or problems that may arise. as of now i already built 3 PCs 1 of which was a nightmare.
You're wrong I'm afraid. Some of us just cba to build new rigs anymore for whatever reason but I expect all the cables that come with the psu to come with it. Whilst I don't have the time to build I have the time to Wang in extra parts as needed.
not plugged in cables on a prebuilt is kinda bad
sure someone who knows what theyre doing its very easy to just plug them in but if you dont know what your doing and your brand new 4000$ pc is having problems thats gonna be damn stressful
Bad take on the cables from Soda, glad his chat called him out lol
the live chat does it better
"incoming lawsuit" hahaha
"Thats our most expensive one... I think". Yep, thats just the kind of knowledge you want coming out of the mouth of a company head. Which is a perfect example of why this company will fail. If you own a company, own it. Dont pass responsibility on to someone else to know the things you should not only know but be a part in creating. Yes, this will mean you will have to give up game time for work time. And its not one bad dish. The chance that a critic and a bad product come together is so slim, that you cant afford to look at it as "one bad dish". This should sound an alarm to the building team to have a pass / fail program in place.
just a few points.
1. people buying these pre builts may be because they like the srteamers. but also because they may not be savy enough to understand to check power connectors , and may think their pc is broken. that's a minor thing.
2. the cables being missing is not cool as it limits exandability, and technically the buyer owns the cables. yet another minor thing.
3. and this is the one i don't think you get, he is not saying because streamers own it it will fail, hes saying that because your name is on the company if the company fails, it may backfire on the streamer, essentially hurting the bottom line.
for me tho there is just a few last details that i would like to know, 1 is there choice in aio, if no then i would hope you see that as a change in the future, and also is there an option to change that side plate for fans. i mean i get it some people like the branding, but i would just be wanting the pc. you know with maybe a corsair h110 or a krazen z. maybe some corsair rgb fans on the plate with starforge colors.
Everyone talking about the PSU cables, yes absolutely they need to be in the package, BUT the power connectors for the Motherboard is a biiig problem. Who ever assembles the PC, make sure to plug in the cable, this can and will burn your PC if not plugged all the way in. It can create an Arc, which will kill the PC. Also add the fans on the back, it looks stupid and scammy to be empty for this price point.
you should still include the cables in the box...
Okay, but like just save 900 dollars instead. Putting a PC together yourself is easier than a normal set of legos.
9:00 You are wrong, the customer is always right. Even if they are wrong. If you are going to argue with the customer ..... No sales.
PS: you are right.
Price differential isn't actually as massive considering the review doesn't include windows either.
Ok so you have 200 bucks for Windows, and idk - 150 for building the entire thing?
Altho I don't think the summary included a high-end pc case or led lighting.
0 views? Damn you fell off
07:55 Big fan of Soda but this has to be his worst take I have ever hear. Thats not at all the case lol You should run to your company and fucking shout to some people for this trash work. Both on those sockets where loose. You can mess everything up(shorts, things not working, things working but with problems, etc) with that mistake. And it was the most simple thing to do to plug the easy connector the right way
09:01 Ok.. Someone in the company needs to tell him to stop talking hes gonna keep doing it lol
i took a gander at the pcs, hella expensive. Can find better equipped prebuilt pcs for cheaper or close to similar price, including extras.
Dunno why people keep saying $900 production fee when Linus literally not even 30 seconds after that said there was a $300 sale for the GPU so it's actually $600.
hey got the king of nit pick linus, to give you an A and still says its a pretty good option. i call that a massive W especially when he's well known to be pretty brutal about prebuilt stuff
When the customer receives the product, opens up the case, starts touching the internal components, and it doesn't boot then that's on the customer. Just saying. But then you guys put foam in the case so now the customer has to open up that panel.
9:15 I adamantly disagree. If I tell my sister or friends to buy from an SI, I still want them to be able to use the power supply they bought to the full capability possible. Reusing modular components is critical to the longevity of a product and reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
Peanis rocket is absolute ficking gold lmao
he has no idea about the computers he sells......
The SATA cable should be in the box, even Asmongold TV realised that the SATA cable wasn't in Linus PC box, as he has a SATA cable in his Starforge box.
Meh, this just proves all prebuilts sucks even the "good" ones. Quit being pansies and take a day to learn how to build a PC then do it. Go to microcenter, they will help you build it in the store.
I actually like this synergy between PC Builders and Streamers! 👍 Thanks to Linus everyone has a great blueprint and understanding of the roles within this new PC Building Company and how to evaluate a great PC. I would be more nervous about the quality of the lower spec builds, however Soda or any other Partner can now do a base evaluation themselves. If this continues to go well, I can see this company actually setting the market standard in Pre-builds. I see the vision! 👏💯
Synergy lmao. Like a streamer has any idea how to be a SI. Idiot
The cable not plug all the way in can cause instability in the system, modular cable is a part of PSU and must be included, we pay you for the entire thing, we should not feel rob of our belonging.
if you flip the logo upside down it looks like a hammer in a gem
I love how everyone in chat was complaining about Linus "nitpicking" at packaging or the fact they set up Windows for the user but they would be the same people complaining if their product was damaged. Plus with the Windows thing, the company can get into some serious legal issues.
But oh no, Soda has no clue about anything related to computers and he's part of a PC building company. I just have a feeling this company will go downhill like all the others.
Just don't be stupid and get scammed by 700+ bucks because "ohhh i can't or don't want to build my own pc" nearly every gamer has a friend or friend of a friend who knows how to build them. Pay that guy 50-100 bucks of your saved money and here you have it.
absolutely no clue about computers
Soda you need to learn more About Pc building and Seeing the eyes of the “Customer”. Your part of a computer company learn what your IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fact that it's not Penis rocket on purpose is disappoint.
I know the pain behind people reviewing my company's stuff. It's scary, since some are very unfair. But this was pretty decent. Some minor flaws, which are common and fixable, but overall, good marketing for Starforge.
Nzxt are the goats of prebuilts
i like how you managed to make a video about this that is half of the run time that asmongolds video is
Fun fact even if u buy same brand cables (which pc noobs probably gonna do)they have a good chance to fry ur parts
watched this on LTT on Asmon and Here, stil think and more like, the build was solid, the PC is clena nice, and pricing is below others and NO custom shit so you can just do whatever after, but mor ME, the cables from the power supply not there?? BIG bummer cause i want to upgrade and ssd or two and more fans ect MAYBE and i basically PAID for thos cables with the modular supply, modullar supply means you can detach attach ALL the cables so you have like HALF detatched and in box after build and go and use them later, ORIGINAL CABLES , dont have to buy other ones that can not fit are not the same etc, JUST INCLOUD them in the box that he was saying, YOU HAVE THEM , just tossed away , cause they are ALL in the box with the supply THEY buy.
But overall its a good one, like the "new" starfroge :))) starDICK :PPP
Yo know what, always props to Linus, he’s always been honest and legit. And hats off to these streamers they always take the criticism well
5:05 this is why I don't like Linus, he doesn't know what packaging it had but still decides to criticize it. Not saying it was good or bad, because I don't know and neither does Linus.
Legit priceless advice
9:07 you need it for future upgrades Mr. Sodapoppin Morris. i'd be pissed if I bought an HDD to expand my storage and couldn't find my SATA Power because they didn't give it to me even though the power supply comes with it.
Furthermore, cabel form different brand can be a hazard to the psu which can cause fire. Therefore you want the cabel which was delivered by the psu
It had extra hdd sata cables and gpu pci cables just not molex or adapters but still should of come with
@@romeucapelasa yeah i was just making an example
Agreed, there simply is no excuse to not ship the remainders of cables
@@V1replade Not just different brand, you can't mix & match PSU cables within the same brand even. ONLY use the cables that came with that PSU or were specifically made for that psu
Linus is an honorable man and true to his word. Doesn't sugar coat anything or is biased, will tell you plain of simply the truth. Also never hides from the capability and realm that the product lies in.
Gets sponsored by intel and still roasts intel GIGACHAD
@@Miko0219 that why so many companies sent linus stuff because if they can just get a little bit of a positive comment it helps them so much
Let's be honest, if other companies made these mistakes they would've been grilled a LOT harder. Happens all the time.
apart from being biased towards amd products, yes he is a man of his word
Linus?lol
For the modular cables, they should go to the customer in case they wish to upgrade, and because they belong to the customer. Every other SI give the customer those cables. Whoever at Starforge decided they should keep them probably should be given a talking to. If they try to use those cables in another PSU, especially a different model, at best, they kill the PSU, at worst, they take the entire PC with it.
Si. A modular molex connector could be something a consumer realizes they want at a later time, to add more RGB bling or etc. Just toss the cables in the box dangit, Linus was right in saying SF's shop probably has entire boxes of those spare cables that they will never go thru in a million years.
Honestly nothing needs to be said other than “they belong to the customer” so fucking include them. It’s not a hard concept
yeah, when I bought winter rims for my car, they gave me nuts and bolts with it even though I didn't need them because my summer rims already have them. I still paid for them because they are included in the price of rims, so they have to include them and I would imagine it works same with PC parts
@@sten260 EXACTLY !!!
I got a pre-build with NZXT and they also left out the modular cables. Figured this was a common thing...
Actually did better than I thought it would tbh.
that copium bro
$900 for 20 minutes of labor. I don't know why but he went extremely easy on them.
@@SaltNBattery it's 600 dollars not including the recent gpu price drop, for $600 you also get a really good warranty policy as well as not having to build it yourself. Obviously it is impossible for a pre-built to be cheaper than diy, but this product isn't for diy pc builders. It's for users that don't know anything about pcs, people that don't know what goes into one or know how compatabilitys work between different generations of pc parts. They just want a pc that works. For that user these pre builds are about as good as any other pre-built on the market.
@@SaltNBattery He compared the price to others in the same market. It's about at the right price. Did you watch the entire video?
Of course the answer is always to build it by yourself but if you don't want to, this is a decent enough option.
@@SaltNBattery
If you think it realistically takes 20 min to go from parts in boxes to OS installed, booted and able to run games, you’ve probably never built one before.
Considering that this market is aimed toward people that have never built a PC, don’t know how to install drivers nor what are the best configs for their budget, the premium is more than fair.
Btw, I’m an experienced PC builder and my last build took 3-4 hours with getting Windows to boot and programs installed, cables tidied up, etc.
Heck, my first build took half a day to boot up. This is a hobby that takes many years to get to a point where you’re at Linus’ skill and knowledge level.
Everything that comes with the parts, another cable, replacement parts, etc should be included because they belong to the customer
Exactly. That’s why I’m kinda blown away by the idea that the comment regarding, “you wouldn’t use our service if you want all the parts” it quite insane
It's not "should". It's "**MUST**".
You're basically keeping something that doesn't belong to you.
Those cables can't be used for other power supplies, as those cables are (almost always) custom-made for the company or specific power supply.
Using cables from other power supplies may damage the power supply and/or the computer.
@@espertalhao041 it’s literally where he is saying you shouldn’t get something you PAID for. But do remember, he did say the streamers are there for marketing and the “marketer” is telling us the company philosophy
@@Chozen1278_Gaming So, basically, the company philosophy is to steal costumer's property?
And as the face of a business, you can (and should) point out this type of thing.
If things don't change, move along.
@@espertalhao041 I mean, they are the face of the company. So, common sense would dictate one of two things. Either 1) he misspoke. Or 2) he means people should look elsewhere and we should do just that
Linus is right, power cables should go with the PC. I cant even imagine, what would you do if you wanted to install a new HDD or SSD that is not m.2? It would be a major hassle to buy a cable for your power supply
Not just that, but those cables don't belong to the company anymore.
They are keeping costumer property by not including those cables as well.
@@espertalhao041 Not how that works. Maybe if you purchased each part separately and paid them to build it. But you bought a built system. By definition it comes as is. There's still no reason for them to keep the cables; that's clearly an oversight, but they do not belong to you as they are not a functioning part of the system as-built. You'd need something in their sales ad that mentions the power supply and all included cables with that model. And I highly doubt they are that specific in the ad since they don't even send the cables.
@@TheHomicidalTendency The cables for modular power supplies are specific for that power supply.
You can't take cables from other power supplies and use on that one.
You either buy custom made cables, for that specific power supply, or you use the included ones.
The included ones weren't given by the seller.
They are part of the power supply.
You can't use those cables on any other power supply without risking damaging something or causing a fire.
@@TheHomicidalTendency The cables come with the power supply. Unless they drop the price accordingly to the cables taken out, it's for the customer, not for them. Also you can't just get other cables for it, PSU cables are very specific and you need the ones that come with it otherwise you could risk many things such as bricking your PSU, bricking your PC, or causing a fire.
@@TheHomicidalTendency No the power supply as a unit includes the included cables. It's if you don't included them that you should specifically mention that.
Those modular cables come WITH the power supply.... Not giving them to the customer is legitimately stealing them 😂
Exactly! And those cables can't be used for other power supplies, since they are matched for that power supply.
It's possible to use cables from other power supplies, but more often than not, the result is very very very bad.
Possibly damaged hardware and fires, which is never good.
Great video, can't wait to watch asmons one hour version.
it's already out, only 40 minutes though lol
It's already out... and very entertaining.
He got really hung up on the penis rocket thing.
@@shepherdsgamingrun His meltdown over the logo are timing masterpiece
asmon is cringe
It's quite dangerous not to provide the cables to the customer because they aren't all the same so they can't just plug random ones in the pins are in different spots
And the costumer paid for it. They can't keep them. They no longer own those cables, but are still keeping costumer property.
@@espertalhao041 noble take, but that's just not how economics and consumer law works. Yes they should absolutely include them, and it's completely stupid that they didn't and serves them no advantage since it's not like they need extras stored, however the customer isn't buying a power supply. They are buying a PC. Whatever form that PC comes in is what they actually own, since they paid for that end product.
@@henryh95 That's like saying that you don't own the SIM card tray, since you can use a phone perfectly fine without it. You can use e-SIM cards, and cloud storage. The costumer isn't buying a complete SIM card assembly, just the entire phone.
@@espertalhao041 what? The phone comes with a SIM card tray, it’s part of the phone. You are buying a PC, with its listed components being the specs. If they do not include the cables as part of the PC, and you buy it, then you have not purchased those extra PSU cables. You buy what they’re selling, that is the basis of trade. The problem is you keep saying it like they’ve broken laws and stolen from the purchaser by keeping those cables. They should include it for the sake of the consumer, and because it serves them no advantage keeping it, but they’re not “keeping customer property’ by not including it.
@@henryh95 I have to disagree, if those cables come with the PSU because they are intrinsically a part of that system, and that PSU needs them to function properly down the line with any upgrades/repairs, it is astounding that starforge didn't add them. Even if it's not legally required, starforge will have no use for them and it is irresponsible to not include basic things which, down the line, may lead to the user frying their whole system by having to rely on 3rd party cables
OTK & Starforge couldn't have asked for a much better outcome than for Linus Tech Tips to do a review and for it to be mostly ok with a few QC errors.
When you're paying for someone to put your PC together, it should be put together. Give me a break. A few QC errors? Which other industry are professionals allowed to not even plug things in correctly during manufacturing and get away with it?
@@joshuas637 If you wranna get into an argument about serious companies not having a few bumbs along the road at their startup phase you're in for a big FAT L
@@Ripcraze nah. You can GTFO with the cope bro. They should be held to the same standard with they're charging paying customers.
@@joshuas637 facts. at 3500 I expect the thing to wipe my ass on demand tbh, on their highest config these errors shouldn't be a thing
@@joshuas637 why you so tilted
I will consider getting a Dickforge pc.
Did you even watch the video?
@@fredferguson1226 No, why would I do that? pfft :P
Name checks out, yes Willy get the penis pc. Its faith
*Penis Rocket Computer Company
@@fredferguson1226 even with it performing well the company already showed their true colors at launch. And with artesian employees I don’t care who they are this company is cursed 😂
Despite the price being so high, not every pc comes pre built with a penis logo.
Attached to a square balls
My mom was going to buy me one for my birthday until she watched this video and found out what the logo really is .
the logo is a literal hammer... tell your mom not to think about cock n balls and the logo wont be an issue, simple.
These guys just keep getting upset at what he’s telling them they’re doing wrong, get a notepad and take notes. This guy is obviously doing well for a reason.
I mean, yes. But Linus is a content creator, not a systems integrator. Not discounting his experience as a product manager and as pc builder, just that saying "He's successful therefore you should listen to him" is a bit reductive
@@Fernando-ek8jp the techworld listens to him because, he knows what he's talking about and he is always fair.
@@Fernando-ek8jp you are aware he just invested millions of dollars for the first independent lab separate from LTT for tech product testing.
He’s 100% the person you want feedback from. Companies like Dell and HP take his advice.
@@McGoodly
TL;DR: People should listen to Linus because he has a good track record of being an informed, smart and passionate tech enthusiast that has been following the space for over a decade, with receipts to prove it. Not because he has a large RUclips channel.
I've been watching every single LTT video for close to a decade. I'm aware.
Please read what I wrote. My issue isn't with Linus, it's with the the flawed reasoning used by OP.
"This guy is obviously doing well for a reason", is not a metric of technical competency. Unbox therapy has more subscribers than LTT, it's a more successful RUclips channel. Does that mean that Lewis is a more reliable source? Is Steve from Gamers nexus 1/10 as valuable for feedback as Lewis?
No.
Tech companies should listen to Linus because the dude has a track record of knowing what he's talking about, a passionate team of techheads, and genuinely puts in effort to be as accurate and informative as possible. Not because he runs a successful RUclips channel.
"He's successful in an unrelated space (making tech videos does not inherently make you a tech specialist), therefore people should listen to him" is how we got Elon Musk as head of Twitter.
Also, don't Dell and HP also take piss poor advice from other people which is why a college dropout (I have nothing but respect for Linus as both a content creator and pc tech enthusiast, this is just to put things into perspective) is able to put them in their place to begin with? Companies that regularly get called out for making blunders aren't a good endorsement either.
@@abishek4300 Thank you for misunderstanding what I said.
Props to you. That was a really strong showing and from what I've seen you guys are taking what LTT have said on board. The dudes been around the block a few times in this industry and while he won't sugar coat anything, he's also as non-bias as it gets and doesn't want to see products and/or companies fail. He wants you to succeed because the more competition out there the better it is for customers. Best of luck for the future for StarForge(aka Penis Rocket PC's)
Linus did also recently have a very similar experience as you when their LTT Screwdriver was put through the ringer of reviews btw 😂
Congratulations. Linus is a tough (but fair, in my opinion) review and you guys did rather well. Cheers!
"fair" ...made harsh statements based on his own ignorance...
@@celnocks_2354 wrote, "made harsh statements based on his own ignorance."_
It's find if you disagree with something. But, if the most you can do is insult people you disagree with, rather than engaging with what they actually said... you offer nothing but your own ignorance -- flavored with arrogance -- in reply. And that's pretty much a 'pot, kettle, black' scenario.
So, with that in mind, either you're too stupid to realize how stupid you are, or you're just trolling for contention... attention... dopamine.
So here's your chance to demonstrate that you aren't actually the ignorant one: quote someone that you feel is saying something from ignorance, and then offer facts that contradict that quote. Otherwise, you're just making noise... like a baby... for attention... to get a ba-ba or a diaper change.
nice, props to the ex artesian guys kickin ass
Went pretty good honestly, I’ve watched a lot of Pre built reviews and most get burned so much harder than this.
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Judging by all the small mistakes such as cables not plugged in properly and the choice of hardware I feel like I could get the same amount of quality from paying a random fortnite kid to build my PC for some V-Bucks. If you are paying a company to build the PC for you, you at least expect that they are good at building PC's and wont make the rookie mistakes. There is no excuse for the cables and such. Imagine if you had to disassemble your brand new iphone to plug the camera in...
900 dollars higher than building your own with better specs. Buy the parts if you don't know how to put it together take it to your local computer shop and pay them like 200 dollars and save 700 dollars!
I never understood prebuilt when this has always been an option. Think I paid around $150 to get my last PC built and I spent just over $3000 on parts
As someone else said, the problem is not whether we would use it or not but rather those cables belonged to the parts and thus literally belongs to the customers. It’s practically theft to keep those cables and once someone that’s less forgiving than Linus catch it, y’all might have more troubles than it worth to keep those cables. It’s like ordering a car and but they think I won’t need to use the spare tire, they kept the carjack to themselves and now I can’t jack the car up when I need it the most.
In regards to those PSU cables, they are matched to the brand+model of the PSU. They may seem modular but even within the same manufacturer they may not be truly compatible because there is no standard on the PSU side of the house. Just because the cables fit, it does not necessarily mean they are wired the same way. If you use the wrong cables, you could potentially be swapping pins and sending power to ground or vice versa and before you know it, your graphics card or whatever device you have connected to could be fried/bricked or worse. Very dangerous.
This is why when you buy custom cables from CableMod they have you pick out the brand and model of the PSU because it is THAT important. If you pick the wrong one.... ooof... it will not end well for you my friend. :-/
And those cables belong to the costumer, so, legally speaking, they can't keep them.
@@espertalhao041 not really no they are buying the pc not the extra parts unless it says you are getting them included then they ain’t included legally. Not saying what they did was right it’s far from it and it’s bullshit they didn’t include them but not illegal
This is what happens when you let streamers who know very little about computers attempt to sell computers.
All about the money. Simps will buy anything like NFTs and crypto 😂
9:13 idk about molex and sata specifically, but I do know you do not want to grab just any old power supply cable for your CPU, GPU, or motherboard, you're running a big risk of frying the system. You have to use the correct cables, and those already come with the power supply.
He says things, like, "if you know what those cables are, you would just custom build," or 'I never wouldve noticed that." To excuse poor QA/QC. Real lack of ownership from SodaPoppin here.
the problem with modular power supply cables is you NEED the ones that belong to the power supply in question.
I don't know my taint from my gauche when it comes to pcs. That being said I'm in the market for a new computer. I've been watching your content since before you had pubes on your face and I think I trust you enough at this point to spend money on you. Keep up the good work kiddo.
Lmao I believe in you. You can build it, sculpt it, transform it into a dick and balls PC.
Linus having genuine critiques and talking about the company AS THE OWNERS MARKET IT, and soda's just here like "nah lol". At least give a shit lmao
If you've ever seen any of the other SI reviews, you would know this is a really positive review. Nice Job
It's says a lot when you see Sodapoppin from Starforge. Acted scared when they booted the pc. And for the connectors not being plug in all the way still could of shorted out! I wouldn't trust them. I'll never buy from them.
The audio on this video is pretty low as well lls
Most likely because its a stream recording maybe?
@@DoctaMarcos no he literally turned the audio pretty much off on the youtube video
Linus did a good job reviewing Starforge!!!
Yeah you keeping the cables is sort of stealing from the customer. Doesn’t matter if you as a business are assuming oh well if they know what those are they will build the system. That’s not entirely true. There are times where it is cheaper especially during GPU shortages to buy from an assembler than buying parts separately as we see during new GPU launches and during COVID. there is no excuse to not send the customer cables they paid for in a power supply especially in a system that’s $3500 like Linus is reviewing. That’s quite scummy of starforge to do.
Also the banning critics is a perfect way to alienate a customer base of a new business that may have ligit concerns or critics of the way you do things especially since your just starting out.
This man’s really know how to say as little as possible lmao. The other reaction was better lmao.
Compared to meta pcs they are way better. Meta has 3050's in their $1500 computers. Starforge has 3070's in their cheaper $1200 computers. So they are already better than many pc building companies as far as price goes.
The unused cables SHOULD be put in the accessory box, any future add on will need it, especially if the user wants to add higher end RGB, which is likely in a build like this, it's showy and a bit understated, AND your gonna need sata/molex cables for sure.....and t custom cables are EXPENSIVE, and you cant just use any cables......you HAVE to have cables meant for your specific PSU make and model......you can find many cables that fit the plugs, but bad things WILL happen playing mix and match......I have NEVER seen a SI using off the shelf components, NOT include the unused cables, and I've been building, configuring and repairing computers for going on 35 years
Linus covering this is a huge deal for you guys and your company, cus the review is not that bad and he made you a pretty decent publicity.
Lol plug random cables into your modular power supply and see how big a fire you can start.
nevermind that CPUs, GPUs, RAM, hard drives, motherboards, etc always have a 3 year warranty minimum to RMA them but obviously the 2 year warranty is because they hold parts on shelves for months lowering their ability to RMA within the 3 year period themselves thus 2 year warranty. Starforge should partner with affirm or something to offer an extended warranty just so people 2-3 years on from buying can't say shit if they opted not to have the extended.
But it's a system warrantee, not just on the individual parts. So, if you don't get video out, is it a faulty PCI slot on the motherboard? a video card problem? power supply cable? the processor? You only need to work with the SI, not the individual component vendors to get things sorted..
@@paulmitchell2005 yea i didn't go into that depth but that's obviously a nice part about it total system protection and not having to figure it out yourself but the point remains that they should at least have some kind of extended warranty because fully tested parts are not likely to fail within 2 years but are in 3-5 and beyond.
@@SKRUBL0RD 3-5 years the manufacture warranty is gone and there's a reason for that, they don't want to be giving away a bunch of GPUS. Also ever try and RMA a gpu threw most venders lol good luck at even getting another card. 2 years any issue send your computer in and they'll look at it or over the phone support is decent. No company can offer warranty beyond 3-5 unless they want to take risk on their own profits of replacing components that even the venders wouldn't warranty.
I don’t trust high end streamers cause they know what they’re getting into and act like they have no idea why bad things happens. Like you see a lot of high end RUclipsrs doing the same.
for a company thats so new this in my book was an outstanding review. pretty much everything he had issues with is already fixed. well besides penis logo but thats sticking
yes using off the shelf parts and mark up very hard. gotta make sure to pay the twitch streamers!
Linus is always going to be skeptical just because building your own PC is always significantly cheaper. But by the end of his review, it was actually glowingly positive. I think he was completely fair, and he basically said that it's one of the best pre-built PC you can get at the price range (especially when factoring in the custom elements + the warranty + if you are a fan of the streamers).
Basically, pre-built computers will always be dinged for their pricing. Just is what it is. But the reality is, most mainstream consumers are not going to learn how to build a PC, or won't put the time in to do it. So it's not a bad option. Considering how many pre-built stuff gets destroyed by Linus (rightfully so), I think OTK should be proud.
On a side note Look at what happened with 3090 and 4080 pricing, I can see why EVGA left Nvidia this would have crushed their company on his much they would have spent buying those cards
Send all the spare parts man, it sends a message of love
Never heard of you before, this just popped onto my feed. But It's great to see how respected Linus Media Group is in this space. Literally everyone takes it 100% serious and it's great to see. You should be proud. Honestly outdid dell and several others when it comes to prebuilds. If you guys can manage how rough the next year is gonna be this could be the go to prebuild company. I noticed several times he kept saying the price and forgot about the 200 that was refunded which is huge.
200 out of 3500........ 5.7%...... yeah huge
@@sticktothefacts8905 So you think these pre-build companies that buy 1000's of products at a time pay MSRP for everything???
lmao. okay man.
@@josephgood2704 I gather you missed the sarcasm. Why even say what you did, I simply commented on the refund to the sticker price.
Bringing into this what other pre-build companies do is completely irrelevant
@@sticktothefacts8905 ya dude I thought you were talking about something different entirely. I was too inebriated to be commenting. I apologize.
@@josephgood2704 No stress, thanks for that
imagine a brand new pc being built with an i5 in 2022 lmao, no shit there was backlash man, thats an actual joke
Yeah you definitely want to include those cables, if only for the reason that you literally have no use for them and they'll just take up space and cost you when you eventually throw them out as waste