Instead of trying to place the card right in the middle, i place it first in one corner, expose two sides of the border, then place it in the opposite corner, expose the other two borders. There, exactly the same size on both sides.
I love the look of the print, Roger, it has a sort off timeless nostalgic look, difficult I guess to get from fresh paper, very interesting test and well worth doing
I do love when you make a mistake and you laugh at it. One of the things I like the most of your channel it is that you always show that you learn from the mistakes and enjoy while doing it. That's a good thing to show to young people or those who are starting in this. Thanks.
Pretty cool, I just bought some expired dated 1976, (I am a collector of old camera's. I found your video with I googled what to do with it lol I am a camera/picture lover. I never developed photos...I am glad there are still a use for the old expired paper thanks so much for your video anyone interested in some paper I have a box of it lol
helped my dad move some his stuff a few weeks ago, and stumbled upon all of his old papers, stored there since at least 25 years, in a old hangar. dozens of diferrents boxes including a very sweet lumiere 0 grade paper, it's now yellow and a bit dry, but still reacting and havin a really nice soft contrast. having said that, i'm off to having fun !
I got a load of paper together with my enlarger once and i use it to get the feel of printing the old way...get some surprising results of it and lots of fun.
I scored some old Ilford fibre based paper 8x10 thrown in with a darkroom set up I bought, the top sheets lacked control the middle was good and the back end appeared to lose any control again. It's a cracking worthwhile experiment and the image is in my darkroom on the whiteboard cheers buddy
A few sheets of the expired MGIV I got were that weird pinkish grey pre-dev. It's pretty apparent under safelight, so I've been picking to get the white sheets. Amazed how well they work after 20 years (or 40 in your case)
What i have noticed with expired paper, often very old paper like record rapid or brovira from the seventies, left untouched (even if it was opened long ago) is fine for the first few darkroom sessions, but then it goes down within weeks (gets foggy). Theres some effect from the fresh air it seems, that accelerates degradation. Whether it’s oxygen, moisture or darkroom fumes, i don’t know:) So best is to use up the box asap, once (re)opened.
Thanks for this. I dug out my old Paterson darkroom kit and found a packet of 5x7 ilford closure paper. It must be about 15 yrs old. Happy to give it a go now.
I would like to learn more about the picture size in relation to the frame. I only use 30/40cm frames and at the end, I stuck with the 19/27 Passepartout. There are not many videos out there related to this topic.
I always feel inspired watching your videos. I just received a double blade easel so that I can print black borders. I'll have to dig through some old paper I have and try printing with it. Thanks!
My Morris Minor is printed on expired paper. I was getting funny results until I remembered it was expired...... SO I blasted it with light and chucked it in the developer for 3 minutes! That stabilised it!! :-) Nice print m8 :-)
I’ve bought expired paper in the past, but never had much success. Often struggle to get a decent white due to fogging and like yours it becomes very slow over time. Worth a punt if you can get it free though. I’ve used some REALLY ancient paper in the past, my Grandads, from the ‘50s probably. Beautiful Ferrania stuff on really thick paper. Some sheets were terrible, some seemed unaffected? I wonder if you could do your black border without trying to centre it in the aperture? Just sit in in one corner, expose, then push to the opposite corner and expose again? OK, the corners would get twice the exposure, but it wouldn’t matter if you are going for max black? I’ve not tried it, I just thought it might take out some of the guesswork. Great channel. I think your 'workflow' (God I hate that word) is much like most of us amateurs out there, have a go, see what works, don't spend too much money!
A friend gave me several pack of ilford paper, expired too, even though I don’t have a darkroom or a lab to play, but I keep them hoping for a brighter (darker I should say) to try them.
I'm using 20+ y/o Ilford MG paper that I got with my first enlarger (Would probably be worth about $1000 if bought new). From my tests and just using it for printing, it looks like it hasn't aged at all. The paper is still as white as new and the blacks are as deep as ever.
It looks a little like a Sepia toned print circa 1863. They used gold as part of the developement process, interesting, if the photographer cheaped out on the gold, the photo would turn a cheesy yellow, from which we apply the word Cheesy to cheap products today.
I print with old soviet paper from 30 years ago. Good stuff, even though it developed some artifacts, they can be easily fixed by adding benzotriozole or using lith. Lith overall is sort of a cheat code for old paper, haha. People from my film community were really surprised that I started printing, especially with lith. So that's already a good emotion. Bought it for amazing price, 500-700 lists (some packs aren't full and sizes range from 13x18cm to 24x30cm) for 10 bucks, ahaha. If I had to buy new, I could've only bought like 30-35 lists of slavich for that money. Finding a good bargain is a hobby in its own right :)
I was thinking the same thing. The thing though, I feel like they are totally different personalities. I don't know how would the chemistry work on camera, but I have a feeling that personally, one might kill the other :D ...could be totally wrong though.
I have lots of expired paper which I was given; generally it seems OK but if I happen to have a bad darkroom session when nothing goes right then I wonder whether I should buy some new paper. I've never seen darkroom paper which actually has an expiry date on the box .... not sure why film should have an explicit expiry date, but not paper.
Maybe because if the film is expired you need to know before you shoot. With paper you can see something isn't right and you still have a good neg. Maybe?
I had the same experience with old-old Agfa paper. The contrast was low and the paper was yellowish till brownish. In the end, I didn't like this look very much.
When I have tried expired paper (only about 5 years expired) the results werent that impressive. The paper hadn't gotten any coloration to it but all whites turned quite gray once developed which made all photos printed on it look pretty dull.
Is it RC of FB? Looks like RC, so flat, but are RC papers were already being manufactured in 70's? I'm using many expired soviet papers, some is trash, some is okay. Developer is important
@@kenandersson8777 stands for benzotriazole. It's a powerful restrainer ie anti fog chemical I use it in small amounts in the developer I am formulating as it's quite high pH
Thanks for a fast answer. I have a couple of boxes of exp paper that turns foggy silverish, cool on some shots but often not. Some one mention Benzotriazol to me and some other chemical that I have forgotten, but I can’t seem to find them here in Stockholm Swe...
@@kenandersson8777 you can buy it from my raw chemical supplier - Fototechnik Suvatlar Saban's a great guy, just say I sent you his way. He's the supplier of Moersch too
I tried an expired lot of paper bought by a professional seller, I also bought a bottle of benzotriazole with had NO effect at all. The prints still looked as they were dipped in coffee. For me that's not attractive at all. The only thing you can do is contact printing in full light with some leaves or flowers on it, no development and fixing...
Instead of trying to place the card right in the middle, i place it first in one corner, expose two sides of the border, then place it in the opposite corner, expose the other two borders. There, exactly the same size on both sides.
Brilliant!
I love the look of the print, Roger, it has a sort off timeless nostalgic look, difficult I guess to get from fresh paper, very interesting test and well worth doing
i like the coffe color , nice
I do love when you make a mistake and you laugh at it. One of the things I like the most of your channel it is that you always show that you learn from the mistakes and enjoy while doing it. That's a good thing to show to young people or those who are starting in this. Thanks.
Cheers Alberto. Mistakes can be fun
Pretty cool, I just bought some expired dated 1976, (I am a collector of old camera's.
I found your video with I googled what to do with it lol I am a camera/picture lover. I never developed photos...I am glad there are still a use for the old expired paper thanks so much for your video
anyone interested in some paper I have a box of it lol
I've got a few packs of Ilfospeed 3 which looks about 20 years old - awesome to know I can still use it!
helped my dad move some his stuff a few weeks ago, and stumbled upon all of his old papers, stored there since at least 25 years, in a old hangar. dozens of diferrents boxes including a very sweet lumiere 0 grade paper, it's now yellow and a bit dry, but still reacting and havin a really nice soft contrast. having said that, i'm off to having fun !
Great tip about the black test. Love the coffee toned look.
I got a load of paper together with my enlarger once and i use it to get the feel of printing the old way...get some surprising results of it and lots of fun.
I scored some old Ilford fibre based paper 8x10 thrown in with a darkroom set up I bought, the top sheets lacked control the middle was good and the back end appeared to lose any control again.
It's a cracking worthwhile experiment and the image is in my darkroom on the whiteboard cheers buddy
Sticky papers. Thats what I've had in the past with expired paper Andy
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss those magazines are not as popular anymore though :-)
I like the toned look of the prints. It reminds me of the old natural history texts books my school had and how the images would yellow over time.
A few sheets of the expired MGIV I got were that weird pinkish grey pre-dev. It's pretty apparent under safelight, so I've been picking to get the white sheets. Amazed how well they work after 20 years (or 40 in your case)
Great work!
Thank you! Cheers!
What i have noticed with expired paper, often very old paper like record rapid or brovira from the seventies, left untouched (even if it was opened long ago) is fine for the first few darkroom sessions, but then it goes down within weeks (gets foggy).
Theres some effect from the fresh air it seems, that accelerates degradation. Whether it’s oxygen, moisture or darkroom fumes, i don’t know:)
So best is to use up the box asap, once (re)opened.
Thanks for this. I dug out my old Paterson darkroom kit and found a packet of 5x7 ilford closure paper. It must be about 15 yrs old. Happy to give it a go now.
how did it go i just got some paper from 1999 and i dont have access to a dark room till next week
I would like to learn more about the picture size in relation to the frame. I only use 30/40cm frames and at the end, I stuck with the 19/27 Passepartout. There are not many videos out there related to this topic.
Not sure what you mean...
I always feel inspired watching your videos. I just received a double blade easel so that I can print black borders. I'll have to dig through some old paper I have and try printing with it. Thanks!
Ahh so that's the ticket Scott? A double blade easel. Awesome.
Very interesting results! Thanks, Roger!
Glad you enjoyed it
AWESOME Phil Thanks¡¡
Lol
My Morris Minor is printed on expired paper. I was getting funny results until I remembered it was expired...... SO I blasted it with light and chucked it in the developer for 3 minutes! That stabilised it!! :-) Nice print m8 :-)
I’ve bought expired paper in the past, but never had much success. Often struggle to get a decent white due to fogging and like yours it becomes very slow over time. Worth a punt if you can get it free though. I’ve used some REALLY ancient paper in the past, my Grandads, from the ‘50s probably. Beautiful Ferrania stuff on really thick paper. Some sheets were terrible, some seemed unaffected?
I wonder if you could do your black border without trying to centre it in the aperture? Just sit in in one corner, expose, then push to the opposite corner and expose again? OK, the corners would get twice the exposure, but it wouldn’t matter if you are going for max black? I’ve not tried it, I just thought it might take out some of the guesswork. Great channel. I think your 'workflow' (God I hate that word) is much like most of us amateurs out there, have a go, see what works, don't spend too much money!
The results are much better than i though! Glad it was usuable :)
Thanks again!
I generally use the entire frame when I print, so I just open the easel up a bit on the edges to get black borders. If I'm cropping I do it your way.
A friend gave me several pack of ilford paper, expired too, even though I don’t have a darkroom or a lab to play, but I keep them hoping for a brighter (darker I should say) to try them.
Yes, when you do you'll have paper to experiment with.
I'm using 20+ y/o Ilford MG paper that I got with my first enlarger (Would probably be worth about $1000 if bought new).
From my tests and just using it for printing, it looks like it hasn't aged at all. The paper is still as white as new and the blacks are as deep as ever.
Wow! Must have kept well
Why not try toning the print, it would be interesting to see if the tint
comes back after being bleached. Excellent video.
It looks a little like a Sepia toned print circa 1863. They used gold as part of the developement process, interesting, if the photographer cheaped out on the gold, the photo would turn a cheesy yellow, from which we apply the word Cheesy to cheap products today.
I really enjoyed watching it, although I don't print (yet?)
Yay, thank you!
Playtime paper ..... lol, giggle.
I suppose it saves money on selenium toner.
I print with old soviet paper from 30 years ago. Good stuff, even though it developed some artifacts, they can be easily fixed by adding benzotriozole or using lith. Lith overall is sort of a cheat code for old paper, haha.
People from my film community were really surprised that I started printing, especially with lith. So that's already a good emotion.
Bought it for amazing price, 500-700 lists (some packs aren't full and sizes range from 13x18cm to 24x30cm) for 10 bucks, ahaha. If I had to buy new, I could've only bought like 30-35 lists of slavich for that money.
Finding a good bargain is a hobby in its own right :)
What a bargain!
I actually like the creamy color of the expired paper!!!
I do also Brain
Have you ever tried making your borders leaving the negative in to get a darker rendering of the edge of the image? Might be interesting
No I haven't richard. Interesting
I need a collab - SFLAB and Steve O’Nions.
I was thinking the same thing. The thing though, I feel like they are totally different personalities. I don't know how would the chemistry work on camera, but I have a feeling that personally, one might kill the other :D ...could be totally wrong though.
@@JonnyRobbie nah, I think they could learn from each other. Even though they are completely different - they are both quite cool.
@@JonnyRobbie would be like mythbusters - totally different personalities but sometimes 1+1=3
Steve's a great guy. Maybe....
I have lots of expired paper which I was given; generally it seems OK but if I happen to have a bad darkroom session when nothing goes right then I wonder whether I should buy some new paper. I've never seen darkroom paper which actually has an expiry date on the box .... not sure why film should have an explicit expiry date, but not paper.
Maybe because if the film is expired you need to know before you shoot. With paper you can see something isn't right and you still have a good neg. Maybe?
I had the same experience with old-old Agfa paper. The contrast was low and the paper was yellowish till brownish. In the end, I didn't like this look very much.
I was given 2 packs of Ilford RC glossy which were pretty old. Hopeless. The paper was stuck together. Prints came out quite badly marked.
I had that once. Salvaged a few sheets but thats all
Are you selling the print on the expired paper?
Going on my etsy page later today 👍
When I have tried expired paper (only about 5 years expired) the results werent that impressive. The paper hadn't gotten any coloration to it but all whites turned quite gray once developed which made all photos printed on it look pretty dull.
Yeah I imagine that would be not too nice. Grey paper
Is it RC of FB? Looks like RC, so flat, but are RC papers were already being manufactured in 70's? I'm using many expired soviet papers, some is trash, some is okay. Developer is important
It's RC. I did think at first it was FB but it washed like resin and flattened/dried quick
Few drops of diluted BZT in the developer will give you white highlights again
Hi, can you please explain BZT for me?
@@kenandersson8777 stands for benzotriazole. It's a powerful restrainer ie anti fog chemical
I use it in small amounts in the developer I am formulating as it's quite high pH
Thanks for a fast answer. I have a couple of boxes of exp paper that turns foggy silverish, cool on some shots but often not. Some one mention Benzotriazol to me and some other chemical that I have forgotten, but I can’t seem to find them here in Stockholm Swe...
@@kenandersson8777 you can buy it from my raw chemical supplier - Fototechnik Suvatlar
Saban's a great guy, just say I sent you his way. He's the supplier of Moersch too
@@jameslane3846 thanks, will try that!
I tried an expired lot of paper bought by a professional seller, I also bought a bottle of benzotriazole with had NO effect at all. The prints still looked as they were dipped in coffee. For me that's not attractive at all. The only thing you can do is contact printing in full light with some leaves or flowers on it, no development and fixing...
I get that. I've had some with a strong brown look too