@@danieliorga2000 Netflix 4k can compete with normal blu-ray on picture but the sound is poor on netflix compared to the lossless sound on disc, on UHD 4k blu-ray there is no contest, both sound and picture are much better on physical disc...
@@danieliorga2000 4K is 100Mb/s, Netflix is not 100Mb/s as most internet in the USA is not that fast. It is probably around compressed 25-30Mb/s max, so 1/3 the bit rate of normal 4K. ( 4K can also be recorded in 200Mb/s but most Camera's are 100Mb/s )
@Puppet Master 1 plastic computer or phone thats beeing used every day years in and out is not the same as filling up endless rooms with tons of useless plastic that will be watched 1-2 times in your sad life and then put on a shelf to collect dust. Watch it digital, its all out digital anyway so its pointless. You wont be needing the plastic shit at all unless you are brainwashed by materialism.
@@wormsinfested2722 Bit early to think about stopping physical media. And if only people used the same phone/shoes/clothes and everything else 'year in year out' that adds to global pollution we would be better off. However, I would hazard a guess that cinema's have their (1080p) film sent digitally, so why not these media companies start sending complete versions to customers home instead of these stripped out replicas.
“its all out on digital anyway so it’s pointless” WRONG. You’re using the convenience of your imagination to pretend EVERYTHING EVER MADE has been digitized AND is easily available, and you’re extremely wrong about that. Don’t use your imagination to ‘prove’ your assumed points.
@@Jeff-Vader_head_of_catering all the Disney movies that have been modified to be more PC lately. Right now I can watch Blazing Saddles but in a DRM streaming only world the movie would be half as long.
@@Gusto4now If you are regular viewer of this channel, you'd know that Vincent frequently peppers sexual euphemisms in his videos. This is one such example where he is referring to the penis held in hand 😁 Edited grammatical errors
@@ilusiil I purchased my first S model as a 4k bluray player . 249.99 was way cheaper than a stand alone player at the time (over 500.00 then) . I now have an X in the living room and the S is on the other 4k tv in my man cave .
mike k I also purchased a One S at launch and used it primarily as a 4K Blu-ray player, but ended up upgrading to a stand alone player with higher quality visuals and superior audio support. That being said I’m pretty sure that most consumer that purchase a One S/X did so to play games, and once cheaper 4K blu-Ray players hit the market it lost its appear as a cheap stand alone player option.
@@ilusiil Yup , now the stand alone players are much cheaper than they were . But most don't also have multi media capabilities either . For my needs , it works great with a Vizio 5.1 surround setup . Wife wouldn't be too happy if I bought another player ....gotta keep her happy , or else !
Don't think their heart was ever in making players to begin with. Even back in the DVD era other manufacturers were really pushing performance refinements and feature sets while Samsung just seemed to release ho-hum models as a formality. Nowadays with their Blu-ray players if I see one used at a thrift or second hand shop, even if it looks cared for, it's usually broken.
Screw Samsung. Go with SONY. Their new players like the X700, X800 are inexpensive and some support many disk formats (DVD, Bluray 4K, DVD-A, SACD, CD) and video/audio formats like HDR10, Dolby Vision and lastly Dolby Atmos.
I am guilty of streaming from time to time. But as a movie lover and collector, I always prefer to own a title that I love on disc. Mostly for the picture and audio quality, but also because I don't trust that what I stream today will be forever available in the "cloud".
Yeah, I have Netflix, but I collect on Blu-ray and 4k UHD discs. I've been a collector of physical media since the mid 80's. If I really like something I stream enough to want to watch it again I get a disc copy if available.
Happened to me last night; my area had an internet outage so Netflix was out of the question. Luckily I have quite a few Blu-Ray movies to enjoy anytime.
Netflix sux. They remove movies/shows and are focusing more on their content which I only watch the top ones. It is convenient but my collection of feature films far exceeds that of Netflix's. Also they
From all the movies I own I only ever watched Office Space more than one time. The rest is collecting dust in a cupboard. There are movies here on BBC 1 and 2. NPO, ARD, ZDF, WDR, Ketnet, Canvas and TV 5. For free.
We own a lot of DVD’s, Blue Rays, and 4K movies. It would take up to 5 years to go through them. When we started to purchase all those discs, I didn’t even think they would come so needed.
My first 4k player was the Sony X700 and it froze on the first movie. I unplugged it and it wouldn’t power back on. So, I bit the bullet and bought the Panny and it has run flawless. I can’t understand for the life of me why some of these big name companies aren’t including DV. The reason I bought the Sony was because it had DV.
@Moist Gnome Yes, the masses don't give a shit about quality. In all walks of life. This is why there are so many MacDonald's "restaurants" and fat people in the world. Not something to be proud of though, is it?
@@amirulasyraf1409 ATM 4k streams are not as good as 1080p Blu-rays especially the sound, the only reason i consider streaming considered is HDR other then that streaming is still far inferior
@@vlcheish Not even close at all 4K Netflix is as good as 1080p Blu-rays minus the HDR part and the sound is not even close at all. Nice try though.... you can have one gigabit per second internet it won't even matter until 8k HDR then it might be for 4K ultra high definition Blu-ray at the time that happens it might even be a little bit better LOL
It’s a shame because it’s the only way you can get true Atmos. None of this compressed crap via streaming. It doesn’t help that Samsung’s players have been average shit at best.
@@User0815-OG my internet can barely handle 4k streaming, and its not like i live in some third world country either. Im in Finland. It'll be a good few years before we can stream uncompressed video and audio. Until then, blue ray is the way to go. Unless these companies adopt usb drives.
Samsung's blu ray players since late 2006 when the format launched have always been suspect and prone to break down; Their 4k player was a disaster and as you mentioned, it only sold initially because it was bundled with a 4k tv. Panasonic hands-down, has the best and always had the best. Having sold them at Tweeter and Magnolia, I can tell you Samsung's blu ray players were the most returned due to tech issues and breakdown. None of this surprises me. Great video!
I don't mind Samsung discontinuing their Blu-ray players. There are several better options out there. What I do care about is 4k Blu-ray disk. As long as they dont discontinue their production. Im fine.
4K blue ray are still pretty new. blu ray like dvd have all ened up in dumpbins overtime as what dont sell to make room for new stuff coming out on the shelfs or racks as they look more like now. unless they can make a player that plays all formats, then u gonna have 2 or 3 players just to watch or listen to any media any time that is not streamed.
I just wish those fuckers would include a bluray 3d disc with the 4k packages... hate having to choose between standard 3d bluray or uhd bluray...and then further complicated by extended editions in one and not the other
@@angelgonzalez14 DVDs are standard definition. They don't make standard definition TV's anymore. So I wouldn't mind if they discontinue their production.
@@daaajester1 Yep, at first i never got blu ray until i learn they come with dvd still sometimes. i learned how read cover and how it shows u get bluray plus dvd plus etc at time. but i still stick to dvd since i not feel i gotta jump to blu ray so fast if not got a blu ray player yet. like other media around, can wait till really need upgrade any then always be copies around to grab if u feel need to buy new any or decent new stuff that is donated by chance, basically 2nd hand stores to get as if buy new but not brand and cost more.
The Samsung Blu-ray I felt they have always been poor quality and the only reason why I bought the 1st gen 4K Blu-ray is player because there wasn’t another available. Fast forward 3 years and it not working I have the richer sound 6 year warranty and I’m hoping to get it replaced rather then repaired.
Rich Morris I own the Samsung m8500. It does what it’s supposed to do but it’s a cheaply built machine. It’s flimsy and I never expected it to last when I bought it. Physical media isn’t dying, just Samsung’s shitty low quality players. Everyone else will pick up the slack (Panasonic and Sony still make VERY nice players as everyone knows)
As someone who purchased a laser disc player by pioneer I feel it’s deja vu again. I feel this new generation raised on mp3 music and phone video viewing has no desire or appreciation of high quality
Back in the day I had LD,DVD,etc too with pioneer components and cerwin vega speakers. I just like how much more convenient DD(aac and mp4) is and any quality difference is negligible to physical media when properly encoded. I'm so impressed with my portable jbl xtreme and charge 3 speakers as my home theater I don't feel the need for a home system anymore and I use them a lot at the skatepark. I do want a bit more volume for the skatepark and plan on getting the bigger jbl boombox but otherwise completely satisfied
It amazed me how people just stuck with MP3 when it is such poor compression and their have been far better formats for ages. All phones support AAC and Androids support Opus but Google and Amazon only sell MP3s. These days I only buy from musicians who sell on Bandcamp so that I can choose between Flac/Alac, AAC/OGG and Mp3.. I would love for them to support Opus but can deal with converting a Flac file.
@@zakofrx When most people consider mp3 cd quality it can't be that bad. At high bit rates I can't tell a difference from aac(256k) and mp3(320K) but aac does perform better with lower bit rates like a 128k mp3 vs 128k aac
I have adored everything about blu ray for at least 7 years now. It was the best way to enjoy your favorite movies/shows. Now im up to 37 4K blu rays, and my love for it, is even more intensified.
I will buy physical media for as long as its available, whether that is cd's, dvd's and blurays. Streaming is convenient but i want the best quality possible and i also want to own the product.
I agree. If I want to watch some interesting documentary I will stream it because the sound isn't really that important mostly because it is someone narrating. If I want to enjoy a highly touted movie then I may stream it first to see if I like it, and if I do then I buy the disk because the sound dynamic(s) is/are so much better.
I laughed a lot given I just watched Sean Bean’s latest demise 👍 Agreed, Samsung weren’t exactly the go to manufacturer for optical players. Maybe not a huge problem but it does continue the trend for the industry.
Samsung is in the top 5 when it comes to worldwide Blu-ray player manufacturers so this isn't simply a case of Samsung not doing well in the market. The physical media market itself has been on a steep decline for years now and with Oppo and Samsung calling it quits other Blu-ray player manufactures will undoubtedly follow suit. It wouldn't surprise me at all if LG (who sells less Blu-ray players than Samsung) calls it quits next.
Paranoid Panzer Penguin A lot. Just like theTV market you have big global manufactures, those who only sell to a mid-ranged audience, and a bunch of who sell budget low end players.
ms3bani Samsung made best player,they read all formats and codec,divx,xvid,mp3,h264,h265 mkv,aka matroska,all subtitles,i had panasonic before and half of my movies from hard drive didnt work,always codec missing
I don’t think streaming is going to be a viable option in the next 10 years. If you want the best possible picture for your movies, UHD blue Ray is still the way to go!
Hi I prefer 4K Blu-ray over streaming anyday. To me the quality from 4K discs to streaming is not the same. plus the bitrate on the disks is far higher And I'm not surprised about Samsung stopping 4K players they look cheap to me compared to sony Panasonic., 👍
Physical Media isn't going anywhere anytime soon , I rip all my Blu-rays to 10 terabyte hard drives creating my own Netflix with much much better picture quality than apple, Netflix and Amazon streaming services , just started ripping be my ultra HD 4k movies to huge hard drives love physical Media and the picture quality is insane.
Despite Netflix claims, I've seen home-made encodes from Bluray that vastly surpass their streams in quality despite being at very similar average bitrates. When you are having to encode at so many different settings like Netflix do, but content that comes and goes off the service all the time, its just not practical to take the same TLC in getting the encode right.
@@stevesavanna I use a software called dvdfab to rip them , then store them on a ten terabyte hard and play them through my oppo 203 the oppo has 2 3.0 USB hubs in the back , i use a a software inferview , to put the movie covers on my files create my own Netflix.
Lots of comments on this video over past 2 days, so we're wondering where did you first see this video? Facebook, Reddit, or Google search for something?
Just randomly popped up in my youtube recommendations. No idea why. I watch a lot of tech stuff but nothing related to blu-ray or home theater. I guess you have been blessed by the algorithm.
Unfortunately whilst we still have the vast majority of people buying DVD if they buy physical media at all, then it is clear that the market just isn’t there for 4K - especially if people who do care enough about it will not buy Samsung players anyway. I do like having physical but the pull of streaming is very strong. The quality is obviously not as good compared to disc but when you just want to check out a “blind buy” film, shelling out £15 (or £25 for 4K) is a bit risky - compared to £10 a month. If they reduced discs to £10 new for 4K then I could see people buying them again in big numbers
I have been waiting for Panasonic UMP 9004 2 months now, not deliverable from anywhere in Germany. Lets me think that there is still good demand for top products.
@@Urahara12squad Yes, exactly "this" would also be my choice (when my OPPO should die). The new Pioneer players (LX500 & LX800) I see as the real successors to the OPPO players ... the have the same capabilities (SACD-, DVDA-support), they as well offer complete media information and they have an even better build quality than the UB9000 ... this machine weighs 10.3kg ... and furthermore they have a display being appropriate to be called "Display" ... which I personally expect, when spending more than 500€ for a player...
Love the Sean Bean example (even though it's not true) - Physical media does not 'disappear' when the streaming service needs to make room for new product, or when their contact with Disney runs out...
This is an excellent idea. Bring the quality difference into the light. However, I feel like the biggest difference to me is the audio, which is so badly compressed with a stream. It will be difficult to showcase the difference if people are watching these videos on their phones/ smart TVs with no speakers.
I think it would be helpful to your viewers to elaborate on the vast difference in bitrate between Blu-ray players and streaming content (even with a good broadband connection). Perhaps you would consider a dedicated video about it as you reach a wide audience and have the unique opportunity to educate.
@@dyeace 1 Do you? 2 So why have a price the average consumer won't pay, I haven't even bought a Bluray player because of the price of movies. Is the purpose to kill of the blu-ray?
4K UHD Blu Ray discs have actually outsold expectations. Samsung players didn't seem to want to be a big player in 4K UHD with few model updates in the past couple of years. Sony, Panasonic and Pioneer are better options anyway. I probably won't miss Samsung's player but I do miss Oppo's.
Sony has launched an upgraded X800 which is the X800M2 that handles Dolby vision. Pity the X800 wasn't firmware upgradeable. I wonder if the X1000ES will get an upgraded version too?
What I hate about it is that the streaming companies will have complete control over want we are able to watch. So many movies will be lost and forgotten about.
I do have a big library its just in aac and mp4 on portable hard drives and I can't tell a difference long as its properly encoded but I get some people prefer a hard copy
4K Blu-ray ain't going anywhere anytime soon, Samsung Blu-ray players were never that good to begin with anyway. LG and Sony are the better low-cost Blu-ray brands, Panasonic and Pioneer right now are the overall best players.
@@coloniellizardt4191 I know, which is relative to the point I was trying to make. This isn't a Samsung issue, it's a dwindling physical media market issue, and we will undoubtedly see more Blu-ray hardware manufacturers following suit in the near future.
@@ilusiil I think its more that the low-end and high-end market is saturated. I could never have rationalised an Oppo at the prices they cost as until I went OLED recently I doubt I could have noticed the difference. Unfortunately going OLED you can suddenly see how sub-par Netflix is too.
Alex Atkin The market isn’t any more saturated than it’s always been. It is a fact that most consumers prefer the connivence of streaming over physical disk.
@@RobertK1993 Blu-ray players hit less than 4 million units, most of them are the sub $80 models. I don’t know what’s your obsession with my comments and why you’re looking for old videos no one is going to comment on.
It’s just too expensive. Here in EU new UltraHD Blu-ray films tend to cost 30€. With that money I can have a single 2 hour experience or 2 months of Netflix’s highest plan with lots of movies and TV series with 4K HDR capabilities.
If you stop paying for Netflix you will have nothing You can't exactly pick what you wanna watch Every big studio and media creator soon will have a streaming service that will fragment all the content and you'll have to pay way more than 30€ to watch the things you want It'll be like paying for cable but more expensive
This is what you think. I have a Sony X700 UHD BP and Amazon & Netflix. The difference is just too big for me between physical and streaming media. On the disc, the bandwidth hovering around 80mb while pikes peak 15-25mb. Not only the picture. The audio also gets a big hit. I am an avs guy so sorry streaming will not be the mainstream for the guys like me. Just watch Blade Runner 2049 and 2001: A Space Odyssey with DV from disc. I am pretty sure your jaw will drop off.
revistinha1 Obviously I do know that but I live now and I care about now. I wouldn’t care to stack Blu-rays anyway since I rarely or never watch a movie twice. If there was a film I would have to watch again third time, I could just rent it on iTunes for a fraction of the price. Right now, 30€ it’s too much for what you get with a single disc.
SG1-ZIELU It’s more than enough for most people destroying TV streaming quality. But indeed, most people subscribed to this channel are enthusiasts so they do care more and that’s fine. As the author said, they can coexist. cengy: As I said, you and the people on this video are AV enthusiasts. The extreme vast majority of people don’t even use sound bars or sound system so sound is irrelevant and Netflix 4K films look good. Not the best but good.
Samsung 4k players sold badly because they had the world's worst remote, a noisy fan, poor build quality, poor support, and no Dolby Vision! They are blaming the media for their terrible products. Vinyl sales are doing pretty well these days.
It probably will because most people don't care about quality and it's way cheaper to release your movie on DVD than Blu-ray. So, some movies still are ONLY on DVD.
@@madfinntech 'Most people' therefore are bloody idiots. It's the same with music. Are these 'most people' the same people who are 'demanding' (sub)yearly updates to Operating Systems, Chipsets and Smartphones meaning obsolescense in guaranteed within a few years (if not built-in at manufacture)? Or are they the apathetic hordes whose silence provides tacit approval?
I rely on and mostly use physical media. And will continue to do so. A non physical "digital" thing can never replace a real thing. As long as there is only CD'S, DVD'S, BLU-RAYS, to choose from those are the only alternatives.
Thanks for the explanation and clarifying this event. Of course the media just loved reporting that Samsung were stopping manufacturing 4K players insinuating that the other big names were about to do the same thing. You've totally cleared up the confusion for me. You're right, nobody I know has a Samsung player, they're crap - we've all got Sony 800's - a really great machine in nearly every way.
It’s because if we’re watching movies at 4K then the studios will have a harder time making sure no viewer sees their mistakes. Hollywood can be very lazy at times.
That's a big reason I like buying Blu Rays. The best audio and visuals is great but the thing I love the most is watching the commentary from the director and sometimes cast. I like podcasts so thats just another form of it kind of. People talking about the movie they made and all that.
Yes, physical media is going away. Just like 8-track tapes, Cassettes and VHS tapes. The problem is that instead of paying $20 and getting to watch your movie or your children getting to watch your movie a hundred times a day, now you'll have to pay each and every time you want to watch your movie at anywhere from $3.99 to 6.99 a pop. Everything these days want "pay as you play" but at unreasonable prices. Technies have been able to create software to rip copy encoded protected video files so that people can make backups of their privately owned media. Some one needs to hack the streaming files so that you can purchase and then retain a copy for streaming media. It's only fair.
I’m all for streaming and use it all the time, but, even I am happy to accept that disk based media provides a better quality picture and sound. So I hope it sticks around.
Just pre-orded Alien on 4K. First one I bought was Blade Runner. Praying the format will last until they have at least come out with The Thing and The Shining, and I'll have the movies I NEED to keep me going.
Big deal that Samsung is stopping making Blu-Ray Players. Means nothing for the format as a whole. If Sony stopped making Blu-Ray Players (or released a new PlayStation model without Blu-Ray playback) that would be a sign that Blu-Ray is dying.
Studios need to drop prices of 4K Blu-ray discs. $19.99 on release and $14.99 several months later. There are people willing to pay for quality but the current $25-30 are just too much. To be honest, people watch a movie maybe twice right after they buy it and maybe once per year after that if they love the movie or sometimes never if it was an impulse purchase. So amassing a big library of movies on any format is really a big waste of money. I only buy my favorite films and some major new releases but for some buying movies is an addiction. They just have to spend their money on something. It comes down to a lack of self control.
Umm, UHD's go on sale all the time...you can pick them up for $10, plus they come with a regular Blu-ray, plus a digital code. So I really don't see the value in streaming or digital services. People are just uninformed & lazy...
Totally agree and I'm sure it won't affect the future of 4k media, although I can't believe you didn't mention the ridiculous shape of their 4k players as maybe putting people off! ;) Of course, that's only my humble opinion. BTW, always enjoy your Vids Vinnie, cheers.
My problem with physical media, while yes you get better quality all around. Asking $29.99/$34.99/Even some $39.99 for some Steelbook new-release 4k media stuff is crazy. It's very hard to justify that expenditure when you have options like Hulu and Netflix around. Value and convenience will always dominate quality. Just a sad truth. If they could make new release movies $14.99 or at most $19.99 I'm sure you would start to see a swing back in favor of the medium.
No internet no stream. Cloud goes down, Ultra Violet, no stream. If you carry your disk or in your hard drive because you own disk you can truelly watch anywhere at any time.
Just bought a ultrahd bluray player and I don't know what I was missing the quality is unbelievable, movie streamers you don't know what you're missing I promise so please give ultrahd bluray a chance so we can keep the very best quality and sony x700 is on sale 179.00 great buy let us keep our media controlled!
I'll keep buying discs for at least another decade or two, if I'm still alive by then. Because it's a fact right now you simply cannot trust streaming services will keep showing the content you like (the recent Simpsons censorship is a good example of this) nor can you guarantee the infrastructure will function where you live. Just take a look at the third world level of internet we have in a good portion of America and tell me you want to rely on them if you want to watch a series or movie again. So it's going to take time to see how things are going to evolve. After that archiving from the disc uncompressed and downloading files (again uncompressed) will probably be the way to go just the same way we now use high bitrate FLAC and other loseless formats for music. This thanks to much bigger and cheaper local storage and higher transfer speeds, once the infrastructure can actually handle that kind of traffic that is. Just imagine having a Petabyte collection of uncompressed movies in your PC just the same way you can have a few terabytes of uncompressed music right now.
Panasonic is the far Best and so is the Sony I wish Samsung never existed they have never produced the legendary quality of the Japanese Brands like Sony and Panasonic
I doubt blu-rays will be around in the next ten years. Maybe 4k blu-ray. They are already reducing down shelf space for them in shops. Eventually all the manufacturers will stop supporting the format like they did betamax and vhs, and then DVD, its just inevitable. Our famous big music and DVD/blu-ray retailer almost closed down because everyone is going online and streaming everything instead, which is crap in my opinion. I love collecting old technology, and you are right it will just be for collectors and just a niche market eventually. There's nothing better than owning and playing a DVD/blu-ray whenever you like without having to rely on the internet or a streaming service. People who enjoy that are just lazy and don't care whether physical media is dying out or how, they just want to be given whatever is made available to them, and so the problem arises because no one looks at how that is creating a problem because its wiping out choice and closing down retailers. But they don't care. :-/
sure not yet but look at cd vs spotify. most people would choose convenience over top quality and when demand for physical media drops below certain level, it will doom naturally.
Especially since ‘wireless’ is so popular, despite being horribly inconsistent compared to hardwire. It’s frustrating as hell for someone like me who prefers quality over convenience, to live with people who ‘hate wires’ and would rather have subpar internet performance while still paying full price for it, just because of aesthetic blah blah blah. Then of course the same person gets the most disappointed that the internet is inconsistent and wonders why all perfect things can’t happen at once.
Yeah, I need to buy 3D movies from Amazon UK as they are no longer sold in the U.S.. Digital 3D movies from services such as Vudu are really expensive.
Maybe not yet, but it's only a matter of time until Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, etc... increase the bandwidth of their streaming services to the point where most people can't really see any difference between on-demand video and a physical disc. We're clearly at a point of vastly diminishing returns now, where any new features (HDR, 8k, etc..) are nowhere near as compelling as the initial jump in quality from DVD to Bluray, and at the same time new codecs will keep reducing the bandwith requirements while internet bandwith will keep steadily increasing, so there's no reason for streaming video to catch up with physical disks in terms of 'good-enough' quality relatively soon.
You guys are getting worried for nothing. My Walmart still has more regular DVDs then blu rays. It’s like DvD (90%) tons of shelves. Blu Ray (30%) and 4K only has 1 tiny little shelf with 4 movies on it. So Regular DVDs are the most popular here in NC. Every new release the DVD versions are the only ones bought here. It’s cheaper to buy physical media online. Bestbuy ditched most their movies yes but their site has new releases every week on their site for pre order. They just switched to all online orders just like most clothing stores. Hahaha they never have my size cuz it’s not bought enough so I gotta order online 😂😂😂
Vincent makes a lot of good points, but I don't agree with his comment on digital movies being cheaper. 4K blu's go on sale all the time for as low as $10! But to give you a random example, Sicario: Day of the Soldado right now costs $19.99 to "buy UHD" in Amazon Prime Video digital only, but you can buy the 4K Ultra HD Blu for $21.58. So for an extra $1.59, you get a 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray, HD Blu-ray & Digital HD code. When you look at the the superior physical product, plus a digital anyways p, plus all the extras, is it really cheaper??? I don't see the value in "buying digital" at all...it should really be called "virtual" copy if you're really gonna be truthful about what you're buying...
Hello Vincent! It would be great if you could update your "XBOX One X" UHD-Player review. Microsoft patched the faulty color decoding and Dolby Vision support was added. You are the only one we can trust: Is the XBOX on par with other UHD-Players? Thank you!
I bought a Panasonic 4k BR, a work colleague did the same, its usually Panasonic or Sony where I live in the UK, Samsung just for some reason does not excite me in regards video systems and its the same with others that I talk to.
Physical media all the way! It wont go anywhere! They said the same thing about Playstation & Xbox games.. it won't happen. Great video bro. Great explanation.
What about OPPO? I mean, that's 2 Blu ray makers that are now stopping production. For us purests, or "hifi" out there, I really hope there is a way to watch in the most highest quality.
Personally I will go for 4k UHD discs and regular Blu-ray as long as they keep making them. 90% of my collection is not available for streaming. I'm mostly into classics, cult films and films from around the world. Streaming is mostly just modern Hollywood films and I'm not really into the constant remakes and rehashes they do. The huge CGI driven movies based on comics, games, old series and such don't interest me much either. Besides that I just love having a physical library of films and series next to my physical library of books.
Another thing is, I want to watch a certain film I like, but it won’t be on a streaming platform, so I’d rather have a collection of my favourite films to watch when I want to. If a new film is released from cinema, it takes ages before it comes on a popular streaming platform.
My take is that is more just an indicator of end for the dedicated video players - not the medium. Now I'm personally fine with streams - but fully accept physical currently gives you a better picture. To get that picture though, you need a drive that can read the disc, some hardware to process that stream - and somebody willing to keep on updating firmware to enable the latest features... and once game consoles do this, how can anybody really compete? (yes, I'm sure they can - but the area for competition gets more and more niche).
I just started buying physical media, but I'm much more likely to buy it if it has a digital copy too; or vice versa (I'm quite a bit less likely to buy it if it doesn't). My reason for doing so is because services have started to fragment kind of obnoxiously, as every publisher wants to have their own streaming services. This is mostly pertaining to anime. On that subject, some anime is actually improved in it's blu ray form as well, versus it's original aired/streamed version.
Saw it here on youtube lol ... Media collector here and I can tell you the passion us collectors have for physical media even in a 1000 years physical discs will still exist due to many collectors like me will still around!
Ultraviolet already died, and how much longer until other digital download places go belly up too? This is why physical media needs to stay. People like to collect. People do not like losing their entire digital libraries.
I just hate switching out media at home and carrying it around mobily. I have all my DD backed up so I am unlikely to ever loose it but I get some people prefer physical formats.
There is something to be said for watching a movie, enjoying it, and subsequently purchasing the disk. I only do so however if it's something special, as 4K disks in the UK cost between £20 & £25 for new releases. Not all movies are available on Netflix and I do like to have the physical media if it is a film I really like. I would agree with your comments regarding 3d disks. I own a number of them, but when I had to purchase a new TV in late 2018, I was disappointed to discover that I could not find one that would show 3d images. I settled for an OLED TV which I do like, but I miss the opportunity to watch films in 3d, although I note they are still selling 3d versions of certain films. I think this will eventually stop as people replace their TV's for newer models over the next few years and the number of people able to watch 3d movies is reduced to a minimum.
One of the biggest red flags to me was when Redbox(no pun intended) started declining massively. I used to see people use them all the time and now I nearly never see anyone using them. They do have a limited 4K rollout to some cities.
Interesting point re Force Awakens on a Samsung player.. However this isn't and wasn't a 4K movie..? All I'll say re the Samsung 9500 is that it produces stunning images (on my set up), through an NU8000 TV. Plus it's one of the few players with dual HDMI outputs meaning I can directly port it both the TV and an av receiver for optimum quality. Porting via an av receiver just doesn't provide the same image quality as direct porting. And if I'm getting a deal as well as all of this..? Can't grumble..
First they move everyone from Blueray to 3D, to 4K, now they are no longer making 4K? What next? A whole new round of 8K players, TV, Audio, Special cabling? That’s like in Poker, going all in, so they should hope it works out.
Apart from the limitations of streaming mentioned in the vid, we’re not all lucky enough to have high speed fibre broadband all the way to our front doors, not by a long chalk so that’s something to think about. Also if Hollywood ever decide to start filming at a decent frame rate then download will struggle further. I do think the medium will have to change from disc at some point once the files get too large, perhaps some sort of solid state storage but I sincerely hope Blu-ray is here to stay for a while yet 🙂
I bought a Samsung 4K player for full retail, upgraded to oppo 203 (sold), upgraded to Sony 1000es, bought a oppo 203 again, modified multiple things but really used it for vertical stretch and now replaced that with a Lumagen 4446 for my parasound lens setup , and kept my Sony 1000es as it looks sharper....
Don't know why anyone really thumbs down this guys videos?? They are informative on the subject matters? If you are not interested in these subjects don't watch ffs but don't put a negative symbol on a harmless and informative chilled video. Rant over lol
I am a massive movie fan but haven't used physical media for years and years opting for on-demand services like Netflix instead. I can see a difference in quality for 4K versus 1080p but currently its not sufficient enough to warrant the extra bandwidth or hardware cost to me, id imagine most people feel a similar same way. I also dont want my house full of Bluray boxes. However with gaming i am pro physical media for resale, install, collector reasons and do not do digital downloads.
I bought the last of the high end Samsung 4K HDR 3-D TV's in 2015, my JS-8500 series which still performs & looks superb, a shame they stopped supporting the 3-D Blu-rays which I have most of in my collection. As a huge physical media collector with over 5000 films I'm naturally concerned about the movie Blu-ray future.
No streaming can compete with physical disc
Netflix 4k
@@danieliorga2000 Netflix 4k can compete with normal blu-ray on picture but the sound is poor on netflix compared to the lossless sound on disc, on UHD 4k blu-ray there is no contest, both sound and picture are much better on physical disc...
Sure it can - convenience always wins over quality - people are lazy and not very discerning
@@danieliorga2000 4K is 100Mb/s, Netflix is not 100Mb/s as most internet in the USA is not that fast. It is probably around compressed 25-30Mb/s max, so 1/3 the bit rate of normal 4K. ( 4K can also be recorded in 200Mb/s but most Camera's are 100Mb/s )
pls wait for the AV1 encoded streaming videos
Not the end of 4K discs, just the end of mediocre Blu Ray players 👋🏼👌
it will also affect gaming consoles.
@@MoviesNGames007uk how? He is referring to mediocre players from Samsung, r/woooosh.
what about Oppo???????????? that one hurts.
@@DragonKastle Oppo has still stopped producing players...😉
When you said mediocre Blu Ray players, you also mean HD ones, probably.
"Some of them are really utter wank..." 🤣
That's a HDTVTest technical phrase right there!
Vincent, you are the man! !👍
7:25 "Some of them are really utter wank..." 🤣
8:25 "2 actually hold something in your hand"
Oh, shush ye! Let the man speak! How dare ye interrupt him, ye mindless heathen?! Some of the players ARE sheer wankylicious bastards.
Vinyl records are still available now.....I wouldn’t worry about Blu-ray Discs going away. Keep on buying! 😆
Keep on buying plastic and turn the world into a dump completely unecessarry. Wankers.
@Puppet Master 1 plastic computer or phone thats beeing used every day years in and out is not the same as filling up endless rooms with tons of useless plastic that will be watched 1-2 times in your sad life and then put on a shelf to collect dust. Watch it digital, its all out digital anyway so its pointless. You wont be needing the plastic shit at all unless you are brainwashed by materialism.
@@wormsinfested2722 Bit early to think about stopping physical media. And if only people used the same phone/shoes/clothes and everything else 'year in year out' that adds to global pollution we would be better off. However, I would hazard a guess that cinema's have their (1080p) film sent digitally, so why not these media companies start sending complete versions to customers home instead of these stripped out replicas.
“its all out on digital anyway so it’s pointless” WRONG. You’re using the convenience of your imagination to pretend EVERYTHING EVER MADE has been digitized AND is easily available, and you’re extremely wrong about that. Don’t use your imagination to ‘prove’ your assumed points.
@Puppet Master I thought it was a dead format?
I am all for 4k disc. 4k streaming is a joke, and a way to forcefully make us pay high bandwidth rates from the carriers.
Good point.
Get ready for the future bloated Streaming industry that will be as expensive as Cable TV, and all of the DRM along with it!
Don't forget that once everything is digital, they get to decide which movies are available, and which one's they don't want you to watch.
@@Jeff-Vader_head_of_catering Yes, another DAMN good point Josh. And we all know that's just what's going to happen. (just look at RUclips)
@@Jeff-Vader_head_of_catering all the Disney movies that have been modified to be more PC lately.
Right now I can watch Blazing Saddles but in a DRM streaming only world the movie would be half as long.
8:24 Physical thing in your hand is priceless!
EXACTLY!!! LOL!!!!
I don't get it
@@Gusto4now If you are regular viewer of this channel, you'd know that Vincent frequently peppers sexual euphemisms in his videos. This is one such example where he is referring to the penis held in hand 😁
Edited grammatical errors
I think Xbox One X or S are more popular than Samsung’s Blu-ray player 🤷♂️
Well one is a gaming console that happens to play 4K Blu-ray disk and stream media, and the other exist specifically to play Blu-ray disk.
@alak58 Agreed! And how many consumers are purchasing an Xbox One S/X exclusively as a Blu-ray player? My guess is not very many.
@@ilusiil I purchased my first S model as a 4k bluray player . 249.99 was way cheaper than a stand alone player at the time (over 500.00 then) . I now have an X in the living room and the S is on the other 4k tv in my man cave .
mike k I also purchased a One S at launch and used it primarily as a 4K Blu-ray player, but ended up upgrading to a stand alone player with higher quality visuals and superior audio support. That being said I’m pretty sure that most consumer that purchase a One S/X did so to play games, and once cheaper 4K blu-Ray players hit the market it lost its appear as a cheap stand alone player option.
@@ilusiil Yup , now the stand alone players are much cheaper than they were . But most don't also have multi media capabilities either . For my needs , it works great with a Vizio 5.1 surround setup . Wife wouldn't be too happy if I bought another player ....gotta keep her happy , or else !
Don't think their heart was ever in making players to begin with. Even back in the DVD era other manufacturers were really pushing performance refinements and feature sets while Samsung just seemed to release ho-hum models as a formality. Nowadays with their Blu-ray players if I see one used at a thrift or second hand shop, even if it looks cared for, it's usually broken.
Screw Samsung. Go with SONY. Their new players like the X700, X800 are inexpensive and some support many disk formats (DVD, Bluray 4K, DVD-A, SACD, CD) and video/audio formats like HDR10, Dolby Vision and lastly Dolby Atmos.
I am guilty of streaming from time to time. But as a movie lover and collector, I always prefer to own a title that I love on disc. Mostly for the picture and audio quality, but also because I don't trust that what I stream today will be forever available in the "cloud".
As collectors, (we) get to decide which movies are preserved, and we don't have to keep paying for them, which is what they want.
Yeah, I have Netflix, but I collect on Blu-ray and 4k UHD discs. I've been a collector of physical media since the mid 80's. If I really like something I stream enough to want to watch it again I get a disc copy if available.
So people won't own anything anymore.... The minute you don't pay your Netflix bill no more movie watching for you...😟😟😟
Happened to me last night; my area had an internet outage so Netflix was out of the question. Luckily I have quite a few Blu-Ray movies to enjoy anytime.
@Puppet Master you can connect to a VCR with a Roku?
Netflix sux. They remove movies/shows and are focusing more on their content which I only watch the top ones. It is convenient but my collection of feature films far exceeds that of Netflix's. Also they
From all the movies I own I only ever watched Office Space more than one time. The rest is collecting dust in a cupboard. There are movies here on BBC 1 and 2. NPO, ARD, ZDF, WDR, Ketnet, Canvas and TV 5. For free.
We own a lot of DVD’s, Blue Rays, and 4K movies. It would take up to 5 years to go through them. When we started to purchase all those discs, I didn’t even think they would come so needed.
Long live physical media! And HDTV Test.
Samsung quit the game, and nothing of value was lost.
Sony and Panasonic make much better players.
Panasonic makes the best right now.
The Panasonics are very nice, $199 for the Sony x800 at Bestbuy right now is a good deal if you dont need Dolby Vision
My first 4k player was the Sony X700 and it froze on the first movie. I unplugged it and it wouldn’t power back on. So, I bit the bullet and bought the Panny and it has run flawless. I can’t understand for the life of me why some of these big name companies aren’t including DV. The reason I bought the Sony was because it had DV.
@alak58 Pioneer makes the real successors to the OPPO 203 and the 205: Pioneer UDP-LX500 and UDP-LX800 !
They don't make oppo any more!!
The quality of online content is not as good as disks
its bc slow Internet speed. in future we gonna get higher Internet speed to support higher bitrate video.
@Moist Gnome Yes, the masses don't give a shit about quality. In all walks of life. This is why there are so many MacDonald's "restaurants" and fat people in the world. Not something to be proud of though, is it?
@@amirulasyraf1409 ATM 4k streams are not as good as 1080p Blu-rays especially the sound, the only reason i consider streaming considered is HDR other then that streaming is still far inferior
Quality of online content has been closing the gap fast though as internet speeds and compression improve.
@@vlcheish Not even close at all 4K Netflix is as good as 1080p Blu-rays minus the HDR part and the sound is not even close at all. Nice try though.... you can have one gigabit per second internet it won't even matter until 8k HDR then it might be for 4K ultra high definition Blu-ray at the time that happens it might even be a little bit better LOL
It’s a shame because it’s the only way you can get true Atmos. None of this compressed crap via streaming. It doesn’t help that Samsung’s players have been average shit at best.
In the future you will get clearly uncompressed sound over streaming Platforms. Step by step .. but shitty for the pirates
@@User0815-OG We need some super fast internet speeds first.
@@User0815-OG my internet can barely handle 4k streaming, and its not like i live in some third world country either. Im in Finland. It'll be a good few years before we can stream uncompressed video and audio.
Until then, blue ray is the way to go. Unless these companies adopt usb drives.
Samsung's blu ray players since late 2006 when the format launched have always been suspect and prone to break down; Their 4k player was a disaster and as you mentioned, it only sold initially because it was bundled with a 4k tv. Panasonic hands-down, has the best and always had the best. Having sold them at Tweeter and Magnolia, I can tell you Samsung's blu ray players were the most returned due to tech issues and breakdown. None of this surprises me. Great video!
I don't mind Samsung discontinuing their Blu-ray players. There are several better options out there. What I do care about is 4k Blu-ray disk. As long as they dont discontinue their production. Im fine.
I mean.. DVD's are still around..
4K blue ray are still pretty new. blu ray like dvd have all ened up in dumpbins overtime as what dont sell to make room for new stuff coming out on the shelfs or racks as they look more like now. unless they can make a player that plays all formats, then u gonna have 2 or 3 players just to watch or listen to any media any time that is not streamed.
I just wish those fuckers would include a bluray 3d disc with the 4k packages... hate having to choose between standard 3d bluray or uhd bluray...and then further complicated by extended editions in one and not the other
@@angelgonzalez14 DVDs are standard definition. They don't make standard definition TV's anymore. So I wouldn't mind if they discontinue their production.
@@daaajester1 Yep, at first i never got blu ray until i learn they come with dvd still sometimes. i learned how read cover and how it shows u get bluray plus dvd plus etc at time. but i still stick to dvd since i not feel i gotta jump to blu ray so fast if not got a blu ray player yet. like other media around, can wait till really need upgrade any then always be copies around to grab if u feel need to buy new any or decent new stuff that is donated by chance, basically 2nd hand stores to get as if buy new but not brand and cost more.
The Samsung Blu-ray I felt they have always been poor quality and the only reason why I bought the 1st gen 4K Blu-ray is player because there wasn’t another available. Fast forward 3 years and it not working I have the richer sound 6 year warranty and I’m hoping to get it replaced rather then repaired.
Rich Morris I own the Samsung m8500. It does what it’s supposed to do but it’s a cheaply built machine. It’s flimsy and I never expected it to last when I bought it. Physical media isn’t dying, just Samsung’s shitty low quality players. Everyone else will pick up the slack (Panasonic and Sony still make VERY nice players as everyone knows)
As someone who purchased a laser disc player by pioneer I feel it’s deja vu again. I feel this new generation raised on mp3 music and phone video viewing has no desire or appreciation of high quality
Exactly. Quantity over quality.
Back in the day I had LD,DVD,etc too with pioneer components and cerwin vega speakers. I just like how much more convenient DD(aac and mp4) is and any quality difference is negligible to physical media when properly encoded. I'm so impressed with my portable jbl xtreme and charge 3 speakers as my home theater I don't feel the need for a home system anymore and I use them a lot at the skatepark. I do want a bit more volume for the skatepark and plan on getting the bigger jbl boombox but otherwise completely satisfied
It amazed me how people just stuck with MP3 when it is such poor compression and their have been far better formats for ages.
All phones support AAC and Androids support Opus but Google and Amazon only sell MP3s.
These days I only buy from musicians who sell on Bandcamp so that I can choose between Flac/Alac, AAC/OGG and Mp3..
I would love for them to support Opus but can deal with converting a Flac file.
@@zakofrx When most people consider mp3 cd quality it can't be that bad. At high bit rates I can't tell a difference from aac(256k) and mp3(320K) but aac does perform better with lower bit rates like a 128k mp3 vs 128k aac
I have adored everything about blu ray for at least 7 years now. It was the best way to enjoy your favorite movies/shows. Now im up to 37 4K blu rays, and my love for it, is even more intensified.
I will buy physical media for as long as its available, whether that is cd's, dvd's and blurays. Streaming is convenient but i want the best quality possible and i also want to own the product.
I agree. If I want to watch some interesting documentary I will stream it because the sound isn't really that important mostly because it is someone narrating. If I want to enjoy a highly touted movie then I may stream it first to see if I like it, and if I do then I buy the disk because the sound dynamic(s) is/are so much better.
Their quality wasn't up to snuff. Which is why they pulled out. Very simple
Yes, but would you say the writing was on the wall?
I laughed a lot given I just watched Sean Bean’s latest demise 👍
Agreed, Samsung weren’t exactly the go to manufacturer for optical players. Maybe not a huge problem but it does continue the trend for the industry.
samsung never managed to get any real market share with their players. it's dominated by panasonic, sony, and xbox
Samsung is in the top 5 when it comes to worldwide Blu-ray player manufacturers so this isn't simply a case of Samsung not doing well in the market. The physical media market itself has been on a steep decline for years now and with Oppo and Samsung calling it quits other Blu-ray player manufactures will undoubtedly follow suit. It wouldn't surprise me at all if LG (who sells less Blu-ray players than Samsung) calls it quits next.
@@ilusiil How many bluray player makers are there?
Paranoid Panzer Penguin A lot. Just like theTV market you have big global manufactures, those who only sell to a mid-ranged audience, and a bunch of who sell budget low end players.
ms3bani Samsung made best player,they read all formats and codec,divx,xvid,mp3,h264,h265 mkv,aka matroska,all subtitles,i had panasonic before and half of my movies from hard drive didnt work,always codec missing
Adrian from Falkirk UK Which Samsung player do you own?
I don’t think streaming is going to be a viable option in the next 10 years. If you want the best possible picture for your movies, UHD blue Ray is still the way to go!
4k disc are so expensive,
@@zarkodamjanovic6833 Not so much anymore.
Hi I prefer 4K Blu-ray over streaming anyday. To me the quality from 4K discs to streaming is not the same. plus the bitrate on the disks is far higher And I'm not surprised about Samsung stopping 4K players they look cheap to me compared to sony Panasonic., 👍
Physical Media isn't going anywhere anytime soon , I rip all my Blu-rays to 10 terabyte hard drives creating my own Netflix with much much better picture quality than apple, Netflix and Amazon streaming services , just started ripping be my ultra HD 4k movies to huge hard drives love physical Media and the picture quality is insane.
Despite Netflix claims, I've seen home-made encodes from Bluray that vastly surpass their streams in quality despite being at very similar average bitrates. When you are having to encode at so many different settings like Netflix do, but content that comes and goes off the service all the time, its just not practical to take the same TLC in getting the encode right.
What do you use to play them back ? Plex?
Also, how do you rip 4K Blu Rays ?
@@stevesavanna I use a software called dvdfab to rip them , then store them on a ten terabyte hard and play them through my oppo 203 the oppo has 2 3.0 USB hubs in the back , i use a a software inferview , to put the movie covers on my files create my own Netflix.
Russell Crowe didn’t say that line, it was Djimon Hounsou. Nice video by the way!
And that's why we need to buy the 4K BD... ;-)
Lots of comments on this video over past 2 days, so we're wondering where did you first see this video? Facebook, Reddit, or Google search for something?
HDTVTest RUclips for me when ever you have a new vid I get an email
Just randomly popped up in my youtube recommendations. No idea why. I watch a lot of tech stuff but nothing related to blu-ray or home theater. I guess you have been blessed by the algorithm.
Unfortunately whilst we still have the vast majority of people buying DVD if they buy physical media at all, then it is clear that the market just isn’t there for 4K - especially if people who do care enough about it will not buy Samsung players anyway. I do like having physical but the pull of streaming is very strong. The quality is obviously not as good compared to disc but when you just want to check out a “blind buy” film, shelling out £15 (or £25 for 4K) is a bit risky - compared to £10 a month. If they reduced discs to £10 new for 4K then I could see people buying them again in big numbers
I have been waiting for Panasonic UMP 9004 2 months now, not deliverable from anywhere in Germany. Lets me think that there is still good demand for top products.
It will be a small market, but it will not completely die.
If I find 5 shops in NL who can deliver them within a few minutes, there will be many more in Germany. Your own fault that you can’t find them.
I got the pioneer lx500. It is amazing!
@@Urahara12squad Yes, exactly "this" would also be my choice (when my OPPO should die).
The new Pioneer players (LX500 & LX800) I see as the real successors to the OPPO players ... the have the same capabilities (SACD-, DVDA-support), they as well offer complete media information and they have an even better build quality than the UB9000 ... this machine weighs 10.3kg ... and furthermore they have a display being appropriate to be called "Display" ... which I personally expect, when spending more than 500€ for a player...
Love the Sean Bean example (even though it's not true) - Physical media does not 'disappear' when the streaming service needs to make room for new product, or when their contact with Disney runs out...
You should make a video to show the difference between 4k disc and streaming. If you haven't done so already.
This is an excellent idea. Bring the quality difference into the light. However, I feel like the biggest difference to me is the audio, which is so badly compressed with a stream. It will be difficult to showcase the difference if people are watching these videos on their phones/ smart TVs with no speakers.
A regular blu-ray has more bitrate than Netflix 4k streams.
@@WeAreLight05 , just the same thinking. Some audio in streaming is way to poor.. I guess around 60kbps/ch .. So bad!
I think it would be helpful to your viewers to elaborate on the vast difference in bitrate between Blu-ray players and streaming content (even with a good broadband connection). Perhaps you would consider a dedicated video about it as you reach a wide audience and have the unique opportunity to educate.
4K Discs are just too expensive. They have no chance of getting serious market penetration, if they don't start pricing them competitively.
Many of them sells for 15$ now. Look carefully on Amazon and bluray.com
@@dyeace
Who, me?
@@dyeace 1 Do you? 2 So why have a price the average consumer won't pay, I haven't even bought a Bluray player because of the price of movies.
Is the purpose to kill of the blu-ray?
4K UHD Blu Ray discs have actually outsold expectations. Samsung players didn't seem to want to be a big player in 4K UHD with few model updates in the past couple of years. Sony, Panasonic and Pioneer are better options anyway. I probably won't miss Samsung's player but I do miss Oppo's.
Sony has launched an upgraded X800 which is the X800M2 that handles Dolby vision. Pity the X800 wasn't firmware upgradeable. I wonder if the X1000ES will get an upgraded version too?
As long as I live, I will continue buying physical copies of all, I only buy digital when there is a discount of at least 70%.
I own 269-UHD discs at the moment.
Can’t stop. Won’t stop. 🤘🏻
I own 423 4k UHD HDR10 some dolby vision movie only COPIES. cost me 95p each on BD50 disks. Big papa style
What I hate about it is that the streaming companies will have complete control over want we are able to watch. So many movies will be lost and forgotten about.
At least, that’s why our rising standard for better resolution and sound quality will make it harder for them to monopolize.
CDs and vinyl just surpassed iTunes downloads physical media isn't going anywhere for the foreseeable future people want their libraries
I do have a big library its just in aac and mp4 on portable hard drives and I can't tell a difference long as its properly encoded but I get some people prefer a hard copy
4K Blu-ray ain't going anywhere anytime soon, Samsung Blu-ray players were never that good to begin with anyway. LG and Sony are the better low-cost Blu-ray brands, Panasonic and Pioneer right now are the overall best players.
What about Oppo (who dropped out of the Blu-ray player manufacturing market in 2018) Blu-ray players?
Oppo is very good too but unfortunately they no longer make Blu-ray players neither, prices of UDP-203 will keep getting higher & higher.
@@coloniellizardt4191 I know, which is relative to the point I was trying to make. This isn't a Samsung issue, it's a dwindling physical media market issue, and we will undoubtedly see more Blu-ray hardware manufacturers following suit in the near future.
@@ilusiil I think its more that the low-end and high-end market is saturated. I could never have rationalised an Oppo at the prices they cost as until I went OLED recently I doubt I could have noticed the difference.
Unfortunately going OLED you can suddenly see how sub-par Netflix is too.
Alex Atkin The market isn’t any more saturated than it’s always been. It is a fact that most consumers prefer the connivence of streaming over physical disk.
It’s not the end of disc, they knew the Blu-ray market is not their demographic, they are the biggest market share of TV panels but not Blu-ray.
Sony no 1 Blu ray disc player brand
@@RobertK1993 Blu-ray players hit less than 4 million units, most of them are the sub $80 models. I don’t know what’s your obsession with my comments and why you’re looking for old videos no one is going to comment on.
So which 4K player do you recommend? I am sad that 3D has been abandoned BTW I thought it was great.
It’s just too expensive. Here in EU new UltraHD Blu-ray films tend to cost 30€. With that money I can have a single 2 hour experience or 2 months of Netflix’s highest plan with lots of movies and TV series with 4K HDR capabilities.
If you stop paying for Netflix you will have nothing
You can't exactly pick what you wanna watch
Every big studio and media creator soon will have a streaming service that will fragment all the content and you'll have to pay way more than 30€ to watch the things you want
It'll be like paying for cable but more expensive
4k on Netflix is shit, only BR can provide real 4K quality
This is what you think. I have a Sony X700 UHD BP and Amazon & Netflix. The difference is just too big for me between physical and streaming media. On the disc, the bandwidth hovering around 80mb while pikes peak 15-25mb. Not only the picture. The audio also gets a big hit. I am an avs guy so sorry streaming will not be the mainstream for the guys like me.
Just watch Blade Runner 2049 and 2001: A Space Odyssey with DV from disc. I am pretty sure your jaw will drop off.
revistinha1 Obviously I do know that but I live now and I care about now. I wouldn’t care to stack Blu-rays anyway since I rarely or never watch a movie twice. If there was a film I would have to watch again third time, I could just rent it on iTunes for a fraction of the price. Right now, 30€ it’s too much for what you get with a single disc.
SG1-ZIELU It’s more than enough for most people destroying TV streaming quality. But indeed, most people subscribed to this channel are enthusiasts so they do care more and that’s fine. As the author said, they can coexist.
cengy: As I said, you and the people on this video are AV enthusiasts. The extreme vast majority of people don’t even use sound bars or sound system so sound is irrelevant and Netflix 4K films look good. Not the best but good.
Samsung 4k players sold badly because they had the world's worst remote, a noisy fan, poor build quality, poor support, and no Dolby Vision! They are blaming the media for their terrible products. Vinyl sales are doing pretty well these days.
My first dedicated Bluray was Samsung and I ended up returning that because it was crap. Then went to Sony, far better, moving to Panasonic for 4K.
It would be weird if DVD ended up outlasting Blu Ray...
It probably will because most people don't care about quality and it's way cheaper to release your movie on DVD than Blu-ray. So, some movies still are ONLY on DVD.
I have normal blu ray now so should I buy a 4k blu ray player to get the best experience from my oled tv before they stop selling
They should save money by stopping DVD, no one should watch SD even on a 300€ tv.....
@Sally Smith ... And, of course, Oppo (Digital) has had the rug pulled from under it too.
@@madfinntech 'Most people' therefore are bloody idiots. It's the same with music. Are these 'most people' the same people who are 'demanding' (sub)yearly updates to Operating Systems, Chipsets and Smartphones meaning obsolescense in guaranteed within a few years (if not built-in at manufacture)? Or are they the apathetic hordes whose silence provides tacit approval?
I rely on and mostly use physical media. And will continue to do so. A non physical "digital" thing can never replace a real thing. As long as there is only CD'S, DVD'S, BLU-RAYS, to choose from those are the only alternatives.
Thanks for the explanation and clarifying this event. Of course the media just loved reporting that Samsung were stopping manufacturing 4K players insinuating that the other big names were about to do the same thing.
You've totally cleared up the confusion for me.
You're right, nobody I know has a Samsung player, they're crap - we've all got Sony 800's - a really great machine in nearly every way.
It’s because if we’re watching movies at 4K then the studios will have a harder time making sure no viewer sees their mistakes. Hollywood can be very lazy at times.
Streaming movies never have any bonuses and cast interviews and making of the film. I always prefer physical 4k discs.
That's a big reason I like buying Blu Rays. The best audio and visuals is great but the thing I love the most is watching the commentary from the director and sometimes cast. I like podcasts so thats just another form of it kind of. People talking about the movie they made and all that.
Yes, physical media is going away. Just like 8-track tapes, Cassettes and VHS tapes. The problem is that instead of paying $20 and getting to watch your movie or your children getting to watch your movie a hundred times a day, now you'll have to pay each and every time you want to watch your movie at anywhere from $3.99 to 6.99 a pop. Everything these days want "pay as you play" but at unreasonable prices. Technies have been able to create software to rip copy encoded protected video files so that people can make backups of their privately owned media. Some one needs to hack the streaming files so that you can purchase and then retain a copy for streaming media. It's only fair.
I’m all for streaming and use it all the time, but, even I am happy to accept that disk based media provides a better quality picture and sound. So I hope it sticks around.
Just pre-orded Alien on 4K. First one I bought was Blade Runner. Praying the format will last until they have at least come out with The Thing and The Shining, and I'll have the movies I NEED to keep me going.
Big deal that Samsung is stopping making Blu-Ray Players. Means nothing for the format as a whole.
If Sony stopped making Blu-Ray Players (or released a new PlayStation model without Blu-Ray playback) that would be a sign that Blu-Ray is dying.
Studios need to drop prices of 4K Blu-ray discs. $19.99 on release and $14.99 several months later. There are people willing to pay for quality but the current $25-30 are just too much.
To be honest, people watch a movie maybe twice right after they buy it and maybe once per year after that if they love the movie or sometimes never if it was an impulse purchase. So amassing a big library of movies on any format is really a big waste of money.
I only buy my favorite films and some major new releases but for some buying movies is an addiction. They just have to spend their money on something. It comes down to a lack of self control.
I love physical media but I don't like the price of 4k. My instant buy price is $10 or less per movie.
Umm, UHD's go on sale all the time...you can pick them up for $10, plus they come with a regular Blu-ray, plus a digital code. So I really don't see the value in streaming or digital services. People are just uninformed & lazy...
Totally agree and I'm sure it won't affect the future of 4k media, although I can't believe you didn't mention the ridiculous shape of their 4k players as maybe putting people off! ;) Of course, that's only my humble opinion.
BTW, always enjoy your Vids Vinnie, cheers.
My problem with physical media, while yes you get better quality all around. Asking $29.99/$34.99/Even some $39.99 for some Steelbook new-release 4k media stuff is crazy. It's very hard to justify that expenditure when you have options like Hulu and Netflix around. Value and convenience will always dominate quality. Just a sad truth. If they could make new release movies $14.99 or at most $19.99 I'm sure you would start to see a swing back in favor of the medium.
No internet no stream. Cloud goes down, Ultra Violet, no stream. If you carry your disk or in your hard drive because you own disk you can truelly watch anywhere at any time.
There will always be need of physical media, even if it's just for archive purposes.
I would much rather have physical discs than stream. The quality beats streaming hands down.
Just bought a ultrahd bluray player and I don't know what I was missing the quality is unbelievable, movie streamers you don't know what you're missing I promise so please give ultrahd bluray a chance so we can keep the very best quality and sony x700 is on sale 179.00 great buy let us keep our media controlled!
I'll keep buying discs for at least another decade or two, if I'm still alive by then. Because it's a fact right now you simply cannot trust streaming services will keep showing the content you like (the recent Simpsons censorship is a good example of this) nor can you guarantee the infrastructure will function where you live. Just take a look at the third world level of internet we have in a good portion of America and tell me you want to rely on them if you want to watch a series or movie again. So it's going to take time to see how things are going to evolve.
After that archiving from the disc uncompressed and downloading files (again uncompressed) will probably be the way to go just the same way we now use high bitrate FLAC and other loseless formats for music. This thanks to much bigger and cheaper local storage and higher transfer speeds, once the infrastructure can actually handle that kind of traffic that is.
Just imagine having a Petabyte collection of uncompressed movies in your PC just the same way you can have a few terabytes of uncompressed music right now.
Simpsons, Game of Thrones episodes, the Notebook ending etc. It's only going to get worse. Live long and prosper.
Panasonic is the far Best and so is the Sony I wish Samsung never existed they have never produced the legendary quality of the Japanese Brands like Sony and Panasonic
I doubt blu-rays will be around in the next ten years. Maybe 4k blu-ray. They are already reducing down shelf space for them in shops. Eventually all the manufacturers will stop supporting the format like they did betamax and vhs, and then DVD, its just inevitable. Our famous big music and DVD/blu-ray retailer almost closed down because everyone is going online and streaming everything instead, which is crap in my opinion. I love collecting old technology, and you are right it will just be for collectors and just a niche market eventually. There's nothing better than owning and playing a DVD/blu-ray whenever you like without having to rely on the internet or a streaming service. People who enjoy that are just lazy and don't care whether physical media is dying out or how, they just want to be given whatever is made available to them, and so the problem arises because no one looks at how that is creating a problem because its wiping out choice and closing down retailers. But they don't care. :-/
There will always be physical copies as long as there are many places that don't have affordable quality high speed internet!
sure not yet but look at cd vs spotify. most people would choose convenience over top quality and when demand for physical media drops below certain level, it will doom naturally.
Streaming is just such bad quality. Period.
Especially since ‘wireless’ is so popular, despite being horribly inconsistent compared to hardwire. It’s frustrating as hell for someone like me who prefers quality over convenience, to live with people who ‘hate wires’ and would rather have subpar internet performance while still paying full price for it, just because of aesthetic blah blah blah. Then of course the same person gets the most disappointed that the internet is inconsistent and wonders why all perfect things can’t happen at once.
Yeah, I need to buy 3D movies from Amazon UK as they are no longer sold in the U.S.. Digital 3D movies from services such as Vudu are really expensive.
their 4k UHD players sucked without Dolby Vision. I gave mine away and bought an Oppo. No loss to the bluray world that they stopped.
yeah but oppo stopped too, that oppo is the last model they will ever make
Maybe not yet, but it's only a matter of time until Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, etc... increase the bandwidth of their streaming services to the point where most people can't really see any difference between on-demand video and a physical disc. We're clearly at a point of vastly diminishing returns now, where any new features (HDR, 8k, etc..) are nowhere near as compelling as the initial jump in quality from DVD to Bluray, and at the same time new codecs will keep reducing the bandwith requirements while internet bandwith will keep steadily increasing, so there's no reason for streaming video to catch up with physical disks in terms of 'good-enough' quality relatively soon.
You guys are getting worried for nothing. My Walmart still has more regular DVDs then blu rays. It’s like DvD (90%) tons of shelves. Blu Ray (30%) and 4K only has 1 tiny little shelf with 4 movies on it. So Regular DVDs are the most popular here in NC. Every new release the DVD versions are the only ones bought here. It’s cheaper to buy physical media online. Bestbuy ditched most their movies yes but their site has new releases every week on their site for pre order. They just switched to all online orders just like most clothing stores. Hahaha they never have my size cuz it’s not bought enough so I gotta order online 😂😂😂
DVD's are still popular in New Zealand as well ( 1995~2019 ) and still going strong.
Vincent makes a lot of good points, but I don't agree with his comment on digital movies being cheaper. 4K blu's go on sale all the time for as low as $10!
But to give you a random example, Sicario: Day of the Soldado right now costs $19.99 to "buy UHD" in Amazon Prime Video digital only, but you can buy the 4K Ultra HD Blu for $21.58. So for an extra $1.59, you get a 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray, HD Blu-ray & Digital HD code. When you look at the the superior physical product, plus a digital anyways p, plus all the extras, is it really cheaper??? I don't see the value in "buying digital" at all...it should really be called "virtual" copy if you're really gonna be truthful about what you're buying...
It's all down to Samsung teaming up with Apple to embed the Apple streaming service in Samsung TV's.
Hello Vincent! It would be great if you could update your "XBOX One X" UHD-Player review. Microsoft patched the faulty color decoding and Dolby Vision support was added. You are the only one we can trust: Is the XBOX on par with other UHD-Players? Thank you!
I bought a Panasonic 4k BR, a work colleague did the same, its usually Panasonic or Sony where I live in the UK, Samsung just for some reason does not excite me in regards video systems and its the same with others that I talk to.
Physical media all the way! It wont go anywhere! They said the same thing about Playstation & Xbox games.. it won't happen. Great video bro. Great explanation.
What about OPPO? I mean, that's 2 Blu ray makers that are now stopping production. For us purests, or "hifi" out there, I really hope there is a way to watch in the most highest quality.
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100 years? I haven't touched a disc for at least the past 5 years.
Probably a good amount of people haven't unfortunately. Most are okay with streaming or watching movies for free on their fire stick.
Personally I will go for 4k UHD discs and regular Blu-ray as long as they keep making them. 90% of my collection is not available for streaming. I'm mostly into classics, cult films and films from around the world. Streaming is mostly just modern Hollywood films and I'm not really into the constant remakes and rehashes they do. The huge CGI driven movies based on comics, games, old series and such don't interest me much either. Besides that I just love having a physical library of films and series next to my physical library of books.
Just the limited and shifting licensing of streaming titles makes an argument for physical media.
Another thing is, I want to watch a certain film I like, but it won’t be on a streaming platform, so I’d rather have a collection of my favourite films to watch when I want to. If a new film is released from cinema, it takes ages before it comes on a popular streaming platform.
No shortage of blu-ray players....yet. There is a very good article about this subject in the April/May issue of Sound & Vision magazine.
My take is that is more just an indicator of end for the dedicated video players - not the medium.
Now I'm personally fine with streams - but fully accept physical currently gives you a better picture.
To get that picture though, you need a drive that can read the disc, some hardware to process that stream - and somebody willing to keep on updating firmware to enable the latest features... and once game consoles do this, how can anybody really compete? (yes, I'm sure they can - but the area for competition gets more and more niche).
I just started buying physical media, but I'm much more likely to buy it if it has a digital copy too; or vice versa (I'm quite a bit less likely to buy it if it doesn't).
My reason for doing so is because services have started to fragment kind of obnoxiously, as every publisher wants to have their own streaming services. This is mostly pertaining to anime. On that subject, some anime is actually improved in it's blu ray form as well, versus it's original aired/streamed version.
Saw it here on youtube lol ... Media collector here and I can tell you the passion us collectors have for physical media even in a 1000 years physical discs will still exist due to many collectors like me will still around!
Moving on to 8k and beyond, not everyone will be able to stream the huge amounts of data that will bring.
Since I've recently purchased my 4k TV and Blu Ray player, I feel like the static and dynamic HDR Mera data isn't doing Blu Ray any favors.
Ultraviolet already died, and how much longer until other digital download places go belly up too? This is why physical media needs to stay. People like to collect. People do not like losing their entire digital libraries.
I just hate switching out media at home and carrying it around mobily. I have all my DD backed up so I am unlikely to ever loose it but I get some people prefer physical formats.
There is something to be said for watching a movie, enjoying it, and subsequently purchasing the disk. I only do so however if it's something special, as 4K disks in the UK cost between £20 & £25 for new releases. Not all movies are available on Netflix and I do like to have the physical media if it is a film I really like. I would agree with your comments regarding 3d disks. I own a number of them, but when I had to purchase a new TV in late 2018, I was disappointed to discover that I could not find one that would show 3d images. I settled for an OLED TV which I do like, but I miss the opportunity to watch films in 3d, although I note they are still selling 3d versions of certain films. I think this will eventually stop as people replace their TV's for newer models over the next few years and the number of people able to watch 3d movies is reduced to a minimum.
One of the biggest red flags to me was when Redbox(no pun intended) started declining massively. I used to see people use them all the time and now I nearly never see anyone using them. They do have a limited 4K rollout to some cities.
Interesting point re Force Awakens on a Samsung player.. However this isn't and wasn't a 4K movie..? All I'll say re the Samsung 9500 is that it produces stunning images (on my set up), through an NU8000 TV. Plus it's one of the few players with dual HDMI outputs meaning I can directly port it both the TV and an av receiver for optimum quality. Porting via an av receiver just doesn't provide the same image quality as direct porting. And if I'm getting a deal as well as all of this..? Can't grumble..
First they move everyone from Blueray to 3D, to 4K, now they are no longer making 4K? What next? A whole new round of 8K players, TV, Audio, Special cabling? That’s like in Poker, going all in, so they should hope it works out.
Apart from the limitations of streaming mentioned in the vid, we’re not all lucky enough to have high speed fibre broadband all the way to our front doors, not by a long chalk so that’s something to think about. Also if Hollywood ever decide to start filming at a decent frame rate then download will struggle further. I do think the medium will have to change from disc at some point once the files get too large, perhaps some sort of solid state storage but I sincerely hope Blu-ray is here to stay for a while yet 🙂
I bought a Samsung 4K player for full retail, upgraded to oppo 203 (sold), upgraded to Sony 1000es, bought a oppo 203 again, modified multiple things but really used it for vertical stretch and now replaced that with a Lumagen 4446 for my parasound lens setup
, and kept my Sony 1000es as it looks sharper....
sfDAVE56 I purchased the Oppo 205 last run. I haven't played any video on it yet but the cd play back quality is as good as they say, love it.
I absolutely hate streaming 4K. I prefer discs 100% over streaming. This is a huge mistake!
Don't know why anyone really thumbs down this guys videos?? They are informative on the subject matters? If you are not interested in these subjects don't watch ffs but don't put a negative symbol on a harmless and informative chilled video. Rant over lol
I am a massive movie fan but haven't used physical media for years and years opting for on-demand services like Netflix instead. I can see a difference in quality for 4K versus 1080p but currently its not sufficient enough to warrant the extra bandwidth or hardware cost to me, id imagine most people feel a similar same way. I also dont want my house full of Bluray boxes. However with gaming i am pro physical media for resale, install, collector reasons and do not do digital downloads.
I bought the last of the high end Samsung 4K HDR 3-D TV's in 2015, my JS-8500 series which still performs & looks superb, a shame they stopped supporting the 3-D Blu-rays which I have most of in my collection. As a huge physical media collector with over 5000 films I'm naturally concerned about the movie Blu-ray future.