I always want the 'Brushy Bill IS Billy' topic to just go away, with the mind-set that if we stop addressing it it will... YOU have changed my mind! 😯 By addressing it, it and all its faults, and factual, historical inaccuracies, it will go away... BRAVO! I love learning and thank you for helping me to have a better understanding of the 'Brushy Bill is Billy' topic... - Mark P
If Brushy really was Billy, why would he want to come out to try and get a pardon that was promised to him by a dead governor? Obviously, he wouldn't get it. Why would he care about a pardon anyway? It wasn't like anyone was looking for him. "Oh yea, and while you're at it, charge me with the murder of Olinger and Bell?"
@@Cobalt_Dragon0716 thank you for enlightening me 😂 just because someone is pardoned shouldn’t give them a clean conscious. They still committed the crime and the victim suffered.
Funny Story: Had a very taut yet polite conversation with DE in the comment section of one of his videos. Afterwards I told him to say hello to a mutual IRL friend he'd mentioned for...clout? (a local author). Then DE deleted our conversation. I think I've figured out the reason he doesn't name names. Poor little guy.
They used to say Don Knotts would have to lay down for 15min. Between takes do to hypertension. I'll be truthful if I were in a room full of law enforcement asking them to pardon me or, worse, to put me in chains. My social skills would be a little shaky. Love the presentation.
Absolutely. That’s far from a “devastating stroke,” however. I believe Brushy did have high blood pressure. I think due to nerves and how “real” the situation became (he went from telling tall tales on street corners to meeting a governor and police and news reporters) that he most likely had an anxiety attack of some sort, and probably sabotaged the meeting intentionally. He recovered quickly however, and does not seem to have needed medical attention. (According to Morrison’s notes, Brushy seemed in a better mood than Morrison later back in El Paso). The point of this discussion is to call attention to just one instance where Dan and others (who constantly accuse those of us who sincerely pursue history of doing this very thing) shape the narrative to their liking without any grounds for doing so. In this case: “Poor Brushy was taken advantage of by the evil executive office and suffered a ‘devastating stroke’ and that’s why he performed so poorly.’” Not so. We know it. And Dan knows it. The best he can do is accuse those of us asking honest questions of being part of some conspiracy and telling his followers not to engage in dialogue. He blocks us all from his platforms etc. He must control the narrative and the flow of information. Because open inquiry leads to exposing the whole charade.
@chasingbilly But a month or so later, he has a mass heart attack and dies in the streets of Hico. Maybe he should have had a doctor check him after the meeting with the Gov.
@@chasingbilly I had Two (2)strokes that looked like Seizures , that were worse than what he had because I blacked out and had what appeared to be seizures to the people around me! ( nurses, Doctors, medical staff etc.) and was fine right after they happened! Was only in the hospital for a week after for observation, One I had while driving the other was 45 min later in the ER! I have watched my mother in law have one and she acted the same way Brushy was reported to have acted! They can affect everyone differently! And a month or so later, he had a massive heart attack For the love of God man, it may have been a stroke or a mild Heart attack non the less, Please stop, if you dont understand medical stuff!
@@dodgeramsport01 Dan arbitrarily made up the story of Brushy having a stroke. Dad called it a “medical episode” in a Facebook comment and said that “no one ever said a doctor diagnosed it as a stroke.” That’s fabrication of a medical diagnosis. So my suggestion to you would be to offer Dan Edwards the same advice: “please stop, if you don’t understand medical stuff.”
Brushys death, a month later wasn't the topic. The topic was, where is the original source that he had a stroke in the Gov mansion like Dan says in his book 4 times? A "devastating stroke" none the less. Devastating stroke , is a bold statement that Dan cant substantiate.
Yes it is I had a minor stroke in 2015 I was at work I blanked out a little my I got taking to the hospital and I this hospital they told me that all I had was a migraine and they sent me home the next day I got up to go to work I noticed that I could not move my right arm I told my wife that I was going to my doctor when I get there they examine me then I was told I had a minor stroke so there is a big difference between them two.
Brushy could NOT name pat garrett , brushy called pete maxwell “ sam “ , brushy kept calling billy “ him “ , he couldnt name deluvina maxwell , he said lincoln county war was 3 days it was 5, he said he walked outta lincoln court without firing. Shot , ollinger and bell? Brushy said he was at tunstalls grave vowing revenge real bonney was in jail ,brushy said he was born in buffalo gap in 1859 , buffalo gap did not exist until 1875 , jarvis garrett wouldnt even question brushy knew he was a phony ,brushy said billy barlow was killed by garrett there never was a billy barlow in any census anywhere in new mexico , brushy said he shot it out with garett posse , no one in sumner said there was a gunfight , w c jameson wrote butch and sundance still alive , he wrote amelia earhart survived and lived in jersey , jameson is yellow journalism not to b taken seriously , edwards is just running a narrative to make money i bought his book NONE OF HIS PICTURES MATCH BONNEY,
Dan is so silly. If Brushy was really Billy, the evidence would be overwhelming. There would be no need to come up with tons of unsubstantiated claims or excuses.
From what I heard, he was evaluated by some physician upon getting back to Hico. And it was the opinion of that doctor he had a stroke or heart attack. However, I think the true story was when he got back he did see a doctor and was told he had a nervous breakdown. Because after all he wrote Ola Everhard he had a nervous breakdown and was in bed for two weeks after meeting Mabry. But I also think the nervous breakdown might have been unrelated to Mabry. Why? Apparently Lizzie and the entire Roberts family never knew about Mabry until they saw it in the papers and I'm sure he was confronted about it upon coming home, etc. and that might've triggered his nervous breakdown. We'll never know unless we saw the complete writings of Morrison and Cline's letters from the Roberts family and from Brushy's in-laws and stepchildren to get a complete picture. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all
What gets me is the risk that was involved by admitting he was the kid... He was at the end of his life and like not to be around long enough to reap any glory or rewards etc ... Also if he was Billy the life he lived , He wouldn't be so straight forward in interviews etc still running his tricks being smarter than anyone in the room. Maybe the stroke was to get out of that situation.
I think you hit the nail on the head. The Stroke was his get out of jail free card. As far as what he had to gain, he was an old man that had been telling this story for years. Long before Morrison came around. Old men like to tell tall tells. It’s really that simple.
@ ChasingBilly,Josh are you the host of Wildwest Extravaganza,Jeremiah, great Podcast I grew up watching Billy the kid, read books, lots of things a man could have gotten away with in 1881, that in 2024 one can’t, with facial recognition, Passport ,Certificates are 99% common these days , records, people talk back then, now days it’s thru cell phones,social media.Anyways my point is Brushy Bill lived one hell of a life ,From A said outlaw to working as a horse thief recoverer,Working as a bronco buster, Rangers,Wild bill Cody’s Wild West show.
It’s a different Josh that hosts WWE. As for Brushy, it’s highly unlikely that he did even half the things he claimed. He spent most of his life living with different members of his family, in between his marriages and working as a farmhand.
@@chasingbilly thanks for replying to me I listen to WWE, you , Alias Billy the kid, Michael A Diguicici (SP) So many to name.i sure I’m missing a few that speak on Billy the kid or the Wild West Era.
He got sick and had to lay down for awhile in another room, It never was determined if he had a stroke or heart attack, That came from the Governors office.
When have I ever held up Burns as a standard of historical scholarship? That’s your boy Dan setting him up as a straw-man. Burns wrote a historical novel in the 1920s. Is there some truth in there? Yeah. But y’all be actin’ like we hold Burns and Garrett up like scripture.
@chasingbilly most do, and as i recall, I was referred to page xxxx in Burns book a few weeks ago, all because I questioned one of your viewers! I'm not a brushy is the guy, guy! But come on, I'm supposed to believe what Pat wrote?
@chasingbilly also, when you and / or your guests say that so and so didn't cite their source, I think its only fair to say so-called historians on both sides don't cite their sources!
@@dodgeramsport01 I’m not telling you to believe anything. You can believe who you like. Also, Burns was cited by Melanie to show you that Brushy could have got his information from there, not as an example of objective history. It’s a valid citation. In that case, it wasn’t necessary to maintain Burns cited a source or even that Burns was right. Only that it was a source Brushy could have pulled from. I believe some of Brushy’s narrative is pulled from Burns and others.
@chasingbilly and as I was trying to tell her and now you, if we say that Brushy pulled his information from Burns or anyone else for that matter then you also have to say that every one else in that room that day in 1950 also had Access to or read the same books and that they would have spoken up, but we don't get that do we! We get people saying he was lying, don't we! I think we get that because they are the ones that read the books and the information and was going by what they had read! So don't you think they would have known and spoke up saying something like, " Well, you got that from so and so's book or here or there"? That is a simple logical question with a simple answer!
What’s his source for his contention that Brushy Bill had a stroke at the governor’s mansion? Perhaps we overlooked it. Because from where we sit, it looks like a complete fabrication on Dan’s part. Is this an example of his “spot on” research?
A person’s claims don’t rest upon credentials. It rests upon proof and sources. I have never claimed any credentials. If I have reported something in error, offer me a correction. If it checks out, I’ll gladly retract and correct my position.
@joshslatten8109 Yeah, he was free wheeling until recently. I wanted Brushy to be Billy. What a story. The more you learn, probably not. To be honest, John Miller actually resembles Billy more to me. I'm not saying he was Billy just saying he resembles him.
Uh, Brushy's death certificate clearly shows he suffered from hypertension and it had been being treated for several months. He remembered Sheriff Copeland. Why can't you guys find a better talking point?
What does sheriff Copeland have to do with this and we’re not saying that he didn’t suffer from hypertension, he died of a heart attack. That’s pretty obvious. We’re saying that there’s no evidence that he had a stroke in the governors mansion, and Dan is lying if he says he did.
I always want the 'Brushy Bill IS Billy' topic to just go away, with the mind-set that if we stop addressing it it will... YOU have changed my mind! 😯 By addressing it, it and all its faults, and factual, historical inaccuracies, it will go away... BRAVO! I love learning and thank you for helping me to have a better understanding of the 'Brushy Bill is Billy' topic... - Mark P
If Brushy really was Billy, why would he want to come out to try and get a pardon that was promised to him by a dead governor? Obviously, he wouldn't get it. Why would he care about a pardon anyway? It wasn't like anyone was looking for him. "Oh yea, and while you're at it, charge me with the murder of Olinger and Bell?"
It's called dying with a clean conscience, fyi.
@@Cobalt_Dragon0716 a clean conscious? He still committed murder. Who cares what an old white dude signs, you’re still a murderer.
@@Cobalt_Dragon0716 thank you for enlightening me 😂 just because someone is pardoned shouldn’t give them a clean conscious. They still committed the crime and the victim suffered.
What has Billy the kid taught us?
Legends never die
Also The Sandlot!
Funny Story: Had a very taut yet polite conversation with DE in the comment section of one of his videos. Afterwards I told him to say hello to a mutual IRL friend he'd mentioned for...clout? (a local author). Then DE deleted our conversation. I think I've figured out the reason he doesn't name names. Poor little guy.
Just now reading this. Thats hilarious.
Yikes!
They used to say Don Knotts would have to lay down for 15min. Between takes do to hypertension. I'll be truthful if I were in a room full of law enforcement asking them to pardon me or, worse, to put me in chains. My social skills would be a little shaky. Love the presentation.
Absolutely. That’s far from a “devastating stroke,” however. I believe Brushy did have high blood pressure. I think due to nerves and how “real” the situation became (he went from telling tall tales on street corners to meeting a governor and police and news reporters) that he most likely had an anxiety attack of some sort, and probably sabotaged the meeting intentionally. He recovered quickly however, and does not seem to have needed medical attention. (According to Morrison’s notes, Brushy seemed in a better mood than Morrison later back in El Paso).
The point of this discussion is to call attention to just one instance where Dan and others (who constantly accuse those of us who sincerely pursue history of doing this very thing) shape the narrative to their liking without any grounds for doing so. In this case: “Poor Brushy was taken advantage of by the evil executive office and suffered a ‘devastating stroke’ and that’s why he performed so poorly.’” Not so. We know it. And Dan knows it. The best he can do is accuse those of us asking honest questions of being part of some conspiracy and telling his followers not to engage in dialogue. He blocks us all from his platforms etc. He must control the narrative and the flow of information. Because open inquiry leads to exposing the whole charade.
@chasingbilly But a month or so later, he has a mass heart attack and dies in the streets of Hico. Maybe he should have had a doctor check him after the meeting with the Gov.
@@slimrichard6817 perhaps so.
@@chasingbilly I had Two (2)strokes that looked like Seizures , that were worse than what he had because I blacked out and had what appeared to be seizures to the people around me! ( nurses, Doctors, medical staff etc.) and was fine right after they happened! Was only in the hospital for a week after for observation, One I had while driving the other was 45 min later in the ER! I have watched my mother in law have one and she acted the same way Brushy was reported to have acted! They can affect everyone differently! And a month or so later, he had a massive heart attack For the love of God man, it may have been a stroke or a mild Heart attack non the less, Please stop, if you dont understand medical stuff!
@@dodgeramsport01 Dan arbitrarily made up the story of Brushy having a stroke. Dad called it a “medical episode” in a Facebook comment and said that “no one ever said a doctor diagnosed it as a stroke.” That’s fabrication of a medical diagnosis. So my suggestion to you would be to offer Dan Edwards the same advice: “please stop, if you don’t understand medical stuff.”
#DOBETTERDAN 🤠🤘
That was weak. No where in your 27 minute video did you mention Brushy died less than a month later. I guess it was just a coincidence.
Brushys death, a month later wasn't the topic. The topic was, where is the original source that he had a stroke in the Gov mansion like Dan says in his book 4 times? A "devastating stroke" none the less. Devastating stroke , is a bold statement that Dan cant substantiate.
People die every day without a heart attack or stroke within 1 month prior, so it's irrelevant.
Are there degrees between a minor stroke and a major stroke, starting with hypertension. Sweating Palms increased breath, etc.
Yes it is I had a minor stroke in 2015 I was at work I blanked out a little my I got taking to the hospital and I this hospital they told me that all I had was a migraine and they sent me home the next day I got up to go to work I noticed that I could not move my right arm I told my wife that I was going to my doctor when I get there they examine me then I was told I had a minor stroke so there is a big difference between them two.
Brushy could NOT name pat garrett , brushy called pete maxwell “ sam “ , brushy kept calling billy “ him “ , he couldnt name deluvina maxwell , he said lincoln county war was 3 days it was 5, he said he walked outta lincoln court without firing. Shot , ollinger and bell? Brushy said he was at tunstalls grave vowing revenge real bonney was in jail ,brushy said he was born in buffalo gap in 1859 , buffalo gap did not exist until 1875 , jarvis garrett wouldnt even question brushy knew he was a phony ,brushy said billy barlow was killed by garrett there never was a billy barlow in any census anywhere in new mexico , brushy said he shot it out with garett posse , no one in sumner said there was a gunfight , w c jameson wrote butch and sundance still alive , he wrote amelia earhart survived and lived in jersey , jameson is yellow journalism not to b taken seriously , edwards is just running a narrative to make money i bought his book NONE OF HIS PICTURES MATCH BONNEY,
You are correct sir. It’s really not that hard to see.
Dan is so silly. If Brushy was really Billy, the evidence would be overwhelming. There would be no need to come up with tons of unsubstantiated claims or excuses.
@@ninjaaitools absolutely correct ninja !!!
From what I heard, he was evaluated by some physician upon getting back to Hico. And it was the opinion of that doctor he had a stroke or heart attack. However, I think the true story was when he got back he did see a doctor and was told he had a nervous breakdown. Because after all he wrote Ola Everhard he had a nervous breakdown and was in bed for two weeks after meeting Mabry. But I also think the nervous breakdown might have been unrelated to Mabry. Why? Apparently Lizzie and the entire Roberts family never knew about Mabry until they saw it in the papers and I'm sure he was confronted about it upon coming home, etc. and that might've triggered his nervous breakdown. We'll never know unless we saw the complete writings of Morrison and Cline's letters from the Roberts family and from Brushy's in-laws and stepchildren to get a complete picture.
Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all
What gets me is the risk that was involved by admitting he was the kid... He was at the end of his life and like not to be around long enough to reap any glory or rewards etc ... Also if he was Billy the life he lived , He wouldn't be so straight forward in interviews etc still running his tricks being smarter than anyone in the room. Maybe the stroke was to get out of that situation.
I think you hit the nail on the head. The Stroke was his get out of jail free card. As far as what he had to gain, he was an old man that had been telling this story for years. Long before Morrison came around. Old men like to tell tall tells. It’s really that simple.
Hi guys great work, the truth will always come out have peaceful Christmas 🎄
@ ChasingBilly,Josh are you the host of Wildwest Extravaganza,Jeremiah, great Podcast I grew up watching Billy the kid, read books, lots of things a man could have gotten away with in 1881, that in 2024 one can’t, with facial recognition, Passport ,Certificates are 99% common these days , records, people talk back then, now days it’s thru cell phones,social media.Anyways my point is Brushy Bill lived one hell of a life ,From A said outlaw to working as a horse thief recoverer,Working as a bronco buster, Rangers,Wild bill Cody’s Wild West show.
It’s a different Josh that hosts WWE. As for Brushy, it’s highly unlikely that he did even half the things he claimed. He spent most of his life living with different members of his family, in between his marriages and working as a farmhand.
@@chasingbilly thanks for replying to me I listen to WWE, you , Alias Billy the kid, Michael A Diguicici (SP) So many to name.i sure I’m missing a few that speak on Billy the kid or the Wild West Era.
He got sick and had to lay down for awhile in another room, It never was determined if he had a stroke or heart attack, That came from the Governors office.
Yes,I do@@chasingbilly
It’s only mentioned on their website in a general summary. It’s not documented history or a credible source.
It is, From the Governor's Archives
@@tascosakid, not so. Please post if I’m mistaken
Just a question. what source's did Burns Cite?
When have I ever held up Burns as a standard of historical scholarship? That’s your boy Dan setting him up as a straw-man. Burns wrote a historical novel in the 1920s. Is there some truth in there? Yeah. But y’all be actin’ like we hold Burns and Garrett up like scripture.
@chasingbilly most do, and as i recall, I was referred to page xxxx in Burns book a few weeks ago, all because I questioned one of your viewers! I'm not a brushy is the guy, guy! But come on, I'm supposed to believe what Pat wrote?
@chasingbilly also, when you and / or your guests say that so and so didn't cite their source, I think its only fair to say so-called historians on both sides don't cite their sources!
@@dodgeramsport01 I’m not telling you to believe anything. You can believe who you like. Also, Burns was cited by Melanie to show you that Brushy could have got his information from there, not as an example of objective history. It’s a valid citation. In that case, it wasn’t necessary to maintain Burns cited a source or even that Burns was right. Only that it was a source Brushy could have pulled from. I believe some of Brushy’s narrative is pulled from Burns and others.
@chasingbilly and as I was trying to tell her and now you, if we say that Brushy pulled his information from Burns or anyone else for that matter then you also have to say that every one else in that room that day in 1950 also had Access to or read the same books and that they would have spoken up, but we don't get that do we! We get people saying he was lying, don't we! I think we get that because they are the ones that read the books and the information and was going by what they had read! So don't you think they would have known and spoke up saying something like, " Well, you got that from so and so's book or here or there"? That is a simple logical question with a simple answer!
Brilliant boys. 22:20 min into video....spot on Josh.
Thanks brother.
This is ridiculous dans research is spot on. Whet did you get your credentials?
What’s his source for his contention that Brushy Bill had a stroke at the governor’s mansion? Perhaps we overlooked it. Because from where we sit, it looks like a complete fabrication on Dan’s part. Is this an example of his “spot on” research?
A person’s claims don’t rest upon credentials. It rests upon proof and sources. I have never claimed any credentials. If I have reported something in error, offer me a correction. If it checks out, I’ll gladly retract and correct my position.
Dan doesn’t do research. I could spend all day pointing out the errors in his videos.
@@joshslatten8109 it’s weird how this Michael Ponce fellow hasn’t followed up with a more detailed discussion of Dan’s spot on research.
Dan Edwards story just gets weaker and weaker!!
Because for once someone is actually holding him accountable. Sad thing is, this is only one point that he’s lying about. Much more to come.
@joshslatten8109 Yeah, he was free wheeling until recently. I wanted Brushy to be Billy. What a story. The more you learn, probably not. To be honest, John Miller actually resembles Billy more to me. I'm not saying he was Billy just saying he resembles him.
Uh, Brushy's death certificate clearly shows he suffered from hypertension and it had been being treated for several months. He remembered Sheriff Copeland. Why can't you guys find a better talking point?
What does sheriff Copeland have to do with this and we’re not saying that he didn’t suffer from hypertension, he died of a heart attack. That’s pretty obvious. We’re saying that there’s no evidence that he had a stroke in the governors mansion, and Dan is lying if he says he did.