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Dude, just get a M4 Mac, I switched to Apple Silicon and I have forgotten how hard was to be on a PC, it just works, Resolve runs way too fast 😂 it doesn't matter if it is a RAW 8K footage, try it out.
@@RodrigoPolo I recommended this to him but he's too chicken to try a whole new and impossible to understand an OS that was literally designed for brain dead people. He also never tested or tried one for longer than 30 minutes to see if he can work with it.
@@RodrigoPolo If I didn''t game 30% of my cpu time, I'd get a mac for production work. I miss my old mac. I had the original flat panel all in one model(can't remember the name) and it lasted me for about 5 years without a single upgrade. Had to bump the Ram from 2gb to 4gb at that point, and then it ran for another 3. Mac really is the best for production.
If that is the correct picture of your motherboard just get an USB 3.0 to USB-C cable/adapter. Your motherboard literally has the USB 3.0 header on it.
OK regarding your board, Gigabyte b450 Aorus Elite Anything over 2933 (2933/2667/2400/2133 MHz) is technically considered overclocking but thats fine. Running at 3200 is fine as long as you check you DRAM/VDimm voltage is applied using HWInfo64 or HWMonitor. Should be 1.35v but should say on sticks themselves. Your board supports DDR4 3600(O.C.)/3466(O.C.)/3200(O.C.) memory modules. DDR stands for Double Data Rate so yes 1600MHz is same as 3200MHz/ Mt/s in software like CPU-Z or the ones I mentioned above. As for storage, pciexpress lanes etc. you should be getting a total of 24 lanes (16 to GPU, 4 to m.2 NVMe and 4 to chipset) You should move the M.2 ssd into the top x4 slot, right now it is running in x2 mode and the 2nd large X16 slot is running at 2x This will free up the x4 lanes for your USB add in card Top x16 PCIE slot is, 1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x16 (PCIEX16)(Note) * For optimum performance, if only one PCI Express graphics card is to be installed, be sure to install it in the PCIEX16 slot. (The PCIEX16 slot conforms to PCI Express 3.0 standard.) The bottom large slot is, 1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x4 (PCIEX4) >>>>>>>>>> * The PCIEX4 slot shares bandwidth with the PCIEX1_2 slot. The PCIEX4 slot operates at up to x2 mode when the PCIEX1_2 slot is populated. The PCIEX4 slot operates at up to x4 mode when the PCIEX1_2 is empty. The 2 small slots are, 2 x PCI Express x1 slots (The PCIEX4 and PCIEX1 slots conform to PCI Express 2.0 standard.) The M.2 SSD connectors are, The top one PCIe 3.0 x4, it is x2 if using 1 x M.2 connector (Socket 3, M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 SATA and PCIe 3.0 x4/x2 SSD support) (M2A_SOCKET) The bottom one PCIe 3.0 x2 (if in use SATA 6g ports can only use 0 and 1 (SATA3 0 SATA3 1) , not 2, 3 these are the 2 by the 24 pin motherboard power connector "1 x M.2 connector (Socket 3, M key, type 2242/2260/2280 PCIe 3.0 x2 SSD support)(M2B_SOCKET)" >>>>>>>>>> * The PCIEX4 slot shares bandwidth with the PCIEX1_2 slot. The PCIEX4 slot operates at up to x2 mode when the PCIEX1_2 slot is populated. The PCIEX4 slot operates at up to x4 mode when the PCIEX1_2 is empty. 6 x SATA 6Gb/s connectors Only SATA3 0 SATA3 1 can be used if lower M.2 slot is in use these are the 2 by the 24 pin motherboard power connector the other 2 and the 2 ASATA (never used) ports are about 3-4" below
Thank you You wrote this down very easily for him to read and understand I was going to then I noticed that you already did so again two thumbs up to you my good man for saving me the hassle on that one have yourself a fantastic day
a typical level2 win comp config user live. level10 is like black belt forst stage. i consider myself a level9. apple honks usually dont even know whats between level1 and 10, hence theres only one apple level and its: stand in line at the store on release day, pay n gtfoh. ;P. there is no perfect pc
This is a great write up and covers a lot of what I would have said. I'd just like to add to this, the motherboard comes with a USB-C header. You can get an adapter to use that and not use any PCI-E lanes.
Blasphemy, how dare you even mention the darkness that cast us out of eden (Apple). Without pain and suffering, there is no joy. Without the grinding squeal of PC fans, there is no way to fully appreciate true silence. My Mac Studio makes me long for those days of wretchedness. How sweet it was to constantly suffer.
No idea who you are or how I came across you, but from this video onward, I am 100% on board for this CPU and Cooler journey 🤣 Great video. And yes. It's in the slowest spot 🤣 should be in the top below CPU.
9:35 having the operating system on a separate drive and your files on another drive is actually a good idea for a couple of reasons. One reason is that the computer can access both in parallel, speeding up load time. Another reason is that the operating system drive remains free of clutter impeding its function, and yet another reason, if you have an operating system failure you can reinstall it and your files remain undamaged. The good news is that this is probably one of the easiest modifications you can make.
I had to deal with this a weak ago, built a pc and tried to use my old ssd's... Since I don't remember what I had on those ssd and didn't want to lose any data, I endup buying a ssd just for windows. First configuration was to change the download folder's location, not making this mistake again.
This is only reasonable in the days when SSD's were 128GB maximum in size, because filling up the SSD above 80% slows its operating speed considerably. The parallel operation only works with harddrives, with nVME storage, which is what Kasey has, its irrelevant, he already edits his files off other drives, his system drive probably rarely sees much load, and his video files wont stress the drive enough to warrant a parallel operation for multiple nVME.
While your PCIe lanes are shared between the various slots, the likelihood of you saturating them to the point of performance loss is virtually zero. It's not a limit of the motherboard as much as it is a limit of consumer CPU's (although different classes of MBs do offer alternate PCI slot layout). They share lanes because the CPU can only provide so much bandwidth and it'd be less practical to limit slots to dedicated lanes of their own that you'd never utilize to their full potential while limiting others and creating bottlenecks. Even your GPU (in a X16 slot) won't utilize all it's available bandwidth. It sounds like a limitation but in practical use, it's more of a feature. At least that's how I think it works. I don't know if your motherboard prevents you connecting anything larger than the slot itself but in some cases, a larger connector on the pcb will still work in the smaller slot, it just won't make use of the leftover contacts and will be slower (technically) as a result. Your ram is fine. AMD cpus need your ram to run at its highest rated speed. The reason you see 2 numbers that are both half the speed is because you use a 2 stick config so your ram runs in dual-channel mode (each stick half of the total rated speed) which is how it's supposed to work.
The two different RAM speeds is often due to the MHz rating vs the MT rate. Due to being double data rate, they're marketed at 3200 or whatnot, but that's megatransfers. This makes them 1600MHz. The marketing really was always pretty bad about highlighting this, making people think they had 3200MHz RAM. We're just now getting to where there's actual 3200MHz RAM, which is 6400MT.
Love Noctua, but money-wise I've gotten such good value from Thermalright, I'm never going back... even if a fan breaks 3 years from now, those fans cost 4-5 bucks.. peanuts.
Building a PC is a series of compromises. The higher the performance we seek, the more compromises we find ourselves making. PCIe lanes are always a limitation, and every motherboard model manages their allocation differently. For your use case, Instead of an add-in card, I would have suggested a simple USB A to C adapter. The 5900 will make a massive difference. Yes, you should use the top NVMe slot. Your motherboard manual will tell you which SATA ports will still be available. Your RAM is fine at 3200Mts. And your GPU is also fine. There's a reason why Apple users don't have to deal with this -- their machines are mostly incapable of being upgraded.
Your cpu provides you with the PCI lanes. Not sure which one you are using, but it should be over 20. Your GPU in the top long slot will give it 16 lanes. Which is more than enough for your use. The motherboard allocates 4 to the top m.2 hard drive slot and there are typically 4 being used by the motherboard to be allocated for the USB and other devices on the board. If you use one of the small x1 slots for a PCI USBC daughter card, it will probably get 4 lanes associated with it and it won't be taking anything away from your video card. The slot the other card was on should have been fine, but the fact that it was choking the fan on your GPU, would have made me get something different. For more information, look into the B450 pcie allocation. The B470 has more bells and whistles, but it may not be what you need.
He is saying he is getting a 5900X at 6:44, that has 24 pcie lanes. But I think you are incorrect about that is 'should be over 30', I think there is hardly any consumer CPU that has more than 24 lanes. On my own simple system with 24 pice lanes from a 5700g, 4 are taken by motherboard for 'various' including nvme, 4 by sata, and 16 by the GPU, so just with that simple setup all lanes are filled up. But I think in reality it does not matter that things are shared. I notice also that Kasey provides no proof that his system became slower, he just assumes it (although blocking the fan seems bad, so for that reason it is good to switch to another slot).
Pretty sure his issue is the chipset (B450), I know my X570 Dark Hero has from cpu alone 2 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8) 2 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8) 1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x8 mode) and from the chipset, AMD X570 chipset 1 x PCIe 4.0 x16 1 x PCIe 4.0 x1
Here's what I for for the cpu lanes 1 x M.2_1 socket 3, with M Key, Type 2242/2260/2280 (PCIE 4.0 x4 and SATA modes) storage devices support 1 x M.2_1 socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (SATA & PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)
@@Gti_Jason According to the manual, his mother board has 1x PCIe 3.0 x16 for the GPU and it doesn't share lanes. It also has 1x PCIe 2.0 x4 and 2x PCIe 2.0 x1. The PCIe x4 and the lowest PCIe x1 share lanes so if the lowest PCIe x1 is populated, the PCIe x4 runs at x2. Either way, plugging in any other PCIe cards should not affect the bandwidth of the GPU.
Gentle reminder that the M4 Mini Pro could have been plugged in, turned on a month ago and saved you all of these headaches and you would have had several USB-C ports (that are also TB5 and expanded into many, many ports if you wanted) The M4 Max Studio is the computer you need. If you want to be stubborn and stay on PC, sell the 7900XTX before the new AMD cards are announced and get a 5070Ti, upgrade to an X570 or similar board with more ports.
13 seconds in, and oh boy this is good one... the humor is great, the PC isn't? Waiting for you to use both systems,, 1 to work on... 1 to repair maintain overclock repair again , have it stable and oh boy (again) it's fast Keep it going brother
1. Graphics card should always go in fastest slot, the first x16 2. your m2 drive should be at the top spot 3. You already have usb 3.1 (blue usb ports) support just get a usb c to usb a cable (if you want gen 2 speeds, install on the second x16 slot 4. It is safe to set it to run those speeds even if the motherboard says it is OCing.
That's why you buy a 4000 series with a no questions asked extended warranty, then you run it on full settings with Cyberpunk until it heat sinks itself to death. Then you bring it back and they give you a similar 5000 series card due to the 4000 series no longer being available.
@@cameraconspiracies Dude, your PICE4.0 bus has a total of 64GB/s across all lanes, that is more than any or the total of all your peripherals will ever use, so this is a non-issue to start with. And no, just keep your NVME SSD where it is:)
The difference between a MAC and PC is like the difference between crossing a chasm on a old, slippery, rotten rope bridge versus leaping out of an airplane flying at 10,000 ft without a parachute. One is a thrill with a hard, abrupt end to the fun, the other a slow, fearful crossing doomed to ultimate failure. In either case, "You SHall Not Cross"
For AMD, definitely move the NVME drive to the top slot. You have a heatsink there for a reason. Right now you don't have any heatsink on it. That slot that you use also shares the PCIX lines with the video card. Just get that B550 or X570 motherboard with USB-C onboard and be done with (either new or used). Make sure it has ALC1220 audio.
It's all about how happy you are with the end performance. I have a 3090ti rendering and instead of buying a 4090 or 5000 series I'm going for 2 3090 ti's.
Multiple internal drives work the same as using an external one. It's pretty seamless. Davinci on one drive can load in files or save them to the other drive. You don't have to do anything special to use it. It's just a second space to put things (like a second compartment in a drawer, rather than another drawer).
Kasey, don't return the card. While it's true that adding a card like this is splitting the PCI lanes, in terms of performance you will hardly feel it. I have the same situation in here As for the heat and blocking fans - you use each card in different tasks at different times: while you import using the USB C port, your GPU does nothing, and while your GPU renders, your USB C card does nothing and the air blocking is actually quite minimal. Long story short: don't buy anything new. It will work perfectly ok
Someone else pointed out that the motherboard should have a USB-C header. All he needs is an adapter that plugs into it and goes in one of the rear slots of the case, and he's good to go.
I've had fans sometimes make extremely loud sounds for seemingly no reason, tapped the fan a few times and it would magically fix the fan so it wasn't scraping on plastic or whatever and the sound went away.
I didn't skimp on the motherboard back then was my best investment. Bought a B550 Tomahawk mobo in 2021, It has everything I need, PCIe4.0 support, 3x USB 3.2 ports (USB-C included) robust vrm cooling, oc potential, and I got it at a great price back then from used market.
It's much simpler than you think. 1)Wrong decission with the cooler. Your arctic 36 was just fine, worst case scenario a fan was faulty, best case it just needed to be reattached/attached again. 2)The new pci-e card will be the same speed as your onboard usb 3.0, just get a compatible adapter usb-c το usb a. 3)Even a plug adapter is sharing "bandwidth"(sorta).Your fan will not work slower when you attach a second device but it will not run 3 space heaters at the same time(it depends on the wattage) 4)Puget systems did change it's benchmark proccess (from 0.93 to 1.0), testing more features like fusion/denoise/tracking/etc, that is why the scores changed. -Happy to help you further on your pc journey if you want-
Yeah, any significant upgrades generally is a moment to replace your motherboard with the newest tech from the current motherboard usually, it’s pretty significant SSD speed on the new motherboard can be crazy. I think it’s like 10,000 and the memory are. The SSDs are not expensive who wouldn’t wanna have your hard drive working super extremely fast. I would start by looking at what are the advantages of the new motherboards from iteration to iteration it’s usually so significant that it does not make sense to keep an old one, even if it can be upgraded I recently looked into this and definitely was going to upgrade my motherboard, but I decided to keep my old PC just because it can be upgraded doesn’t mean it should be
My view from the edge of the very same rabbithole is: 1) I've chosen to get a miniPC with a full thunderbolt lane to host a separate vid card, when I actually need it. 2) Work out my actual realtime compute needs. How fast how big how much in files, time, and compute do I need for what I actually do. 3) Once I work out my workflow, my compute needs, then rebuild the desktop to Only address those. 4) Leave the future proofing for only accommodating peripherals, like when bluetooth or wifi get a huge boost. 5) Fully populate the RAM when I get up to speed. So, I figure that until we get holographic cameras with their huge files and compute needs, I ought to be good to go! And well below the current highend specs that are more for gaming, I don't. I just need photo, vid, CAD, music, some drawing. Easy-peasy. Most likely by the time I build the desktop, most of those components will be well down on the list of Hot New Items, the latest and greatest. Many even used! Oh, also room for a local LLM/AI of some sort. Now? Now I'm learning how to customize the whole windows environment to be what I want. Different desktops for different needs-uses, a sandboxed virtual one too, for when safety is a concern. Along with style mods from fonts to colors, widgets and themes. Also slicing in NAS for backups and remote access to files. I do like sitting in some cafe sipping as I go over that day's photo haul, lifted off my cameras onto my tablet/laptop to do some initial scrub, knowing it will be ready to work on at home, all with copies safely tucked into their comfy spots. All I want is the perfect workflow!
Never CPU’s & chipsets still sometimes share lanes but typically it’s not as bad as the older stuff. You have to look at each motherboards online manual online and dig through them to find out how the lanes are used in that MB. Every one is a little different.
@ the wonderful thing about my comments is I’m no fan, nor brand loyalist. Just a human who switched to Apple and had a lot more fun creating content since. I actually hate the brand so much I’m waiting to have more fun on a fellow editor’s pc
1) All general-use motherboards and cpus have a limited number of lanes they can use, it's not JUST your motherboard. You can have more lanes, but that costs A LOT (see EPYC or Threadripper CPUs and motherboards). So motherboard makers have to make choices (more usb ports? more SATA ports? More m.2 slots, etc.) 2) Don't worry, you didn't damage your GPU in any way by using that usb card. GPU can run on any number of PCI-E lanes, theoretically you can even file of plastic part on the back of top 1x PCI-E slot, insert the GPU there and it should work. If you use less than 16x lanes (say, it's downgraded to 8 lanes because of a USB card), it may affect the performance of the GPU; in some cases it's negligible, in some - measurable or even crippling. I'd guess, in your case (PCI-E 3.0 16 lanes to 8 lanes because of USB card and 7900XTX GPU for video editing) it would have been negligible to measurable. 3) The PC builder could have installed your NVMe drive in the lower m.2 slot to 1) Make it accessible without removing the GPU 2) Didn't know better 3) Improve ssd's cooling by being in an open air, not blocked by GPU (but 4x slot has a radiator, so who knows). Using only 2x lanes instead of 4x can slow down your SSD linear read/write speeds in half, but in my experience it is still enough in regular use (2x slot at PCI-E 3.0 will give you 1500MB/s). Random reads are much more important and they not affectd by 2x vs 4x. If you put you SSD in the top slot you may indeed loose some of the SATA ports (sorry, I can't check the motherboard's manual right now) 4) You may need to update your BIOS before installing 5900X, because when B450 was released, there was no 5900x CPU. 5) Your RAM is 99% safe if you used XMP to make it 3200MT/s. You would have probably already noticed random crashes, and even then you can just downclock it back to 2400-2933MT/s
Either buy quality top end , quit playing with saving money your time is worth more. Newegg computer as a builder where it gives out compatible products with your motherboard
I started heading into this type of mess 2yrs ago when I was considering adding a desktop PC to replace an aging laptop. I ended up maxing out a new Legion 7i (12th gen Intel i9 processor, 64GB RAM, RTX 3080Ti) and it has handled everything I've thrown at it, including multiple concurrent 8k files from Canon. I rarely see the CPU or GPU usage go above 50% during normal editing. The only downside is the 16x10 ratio screen still feels strange for editing, which could easily be fixed with an external monitor. Overall, I maybe I didn't get the best value, but everything just works. Life is too short to deal with building/upgrading PC components unless you genuinely enjoy the process.
It’s not the motherboard it’s the pcie controller on the CPU. All mainstream platform CPUs have this limitation. Generally a x1 pcie card will fit in a slot that runs through the chipset.
Put the m.2 SSD ( with Windows OS) in the top slot. XMP, RAM with 3200hz or Above is the right choice for AM4. Latest BIOS update (non beta) for MB is must(correct name of there website ). Be carreful, with BIOS update. If the pciex usb card ,has a problem, use the external USB doc station or monitor USB. Windows , and programs on 1 SSD m.2 nvme. Video files for edit , cache files another m.2 nvme. Export to another SSD, nvme, or SATA SSD for better workflow). HDD, only for storage.
lol.. I feel your pain.. been building PCs for 30+ years.. I moved BACK to Apple last year because of all this mental gymnastic drama. I still use PCs for gaming but MAC for work.. Buy a Mac Studio and be done with it. As for PCI lanes.. yeah.. you need to find out how many you have and how they are allocated. And get off that B450, as it will really help to upgrade your MB. AM4 is fine. Just going to something that can drive PCI Gen 4 will be good enough. I have a 5950x, 64gb ram, 2tb+4tb, RTX 4070. More than enough for what I do on PC. That's all mounted in an NZXT H1 (gen II). Cheers Rick.. lol.. you are funny.. I'm surprised you still have hair left.. :)
i went through really similar sht , bought 5800x, new psu 850w and new gpu 7900xt, oh then i thought i need new nvme ssd 2tb and a new monitor 1440p 32´´ 180hz LG
I can’t wait for the Noctua install video! That thing is is fuckin huge. I was cussing in languages that don’t even exist trying to get that thing to fit. I finally got it but I was like damn, should have just got a water cooler
@@cameraconspiracies If staying with the AM4 cpu series then just upgrade to a B550, you can put everything you already have in it and benefit from a cooler running system, its no big deal and not 'building a whole new pc' which you keep saying. Hell you don't even need to re install windows just install the same drive you have and make Windows 11 'active' again...it's not difficult, honestly, I have just done something similar. Hate to add ( well not really ) but a Mac mini would suit you perfectly, they make no sound at all....silence is bliss.
I do happen to have a new in box ASUS ROG Crosshair Dark Hero, aka the most high end board of the high end X570 AM4 chipset. On board usb C and all the other goodies
@@Gti_Jason I had ROG board before, with best CPU that can fit, only because friend of mine wanted always top tier setup, and then sell it 4 months later for the half the price only to get newer top tier setup....Numbers and charts are just numbers and charts, but there is something about added value of premium capacitors and mosfets and goodies that you will not find in those cheap-ass boards. 10/10 would buy a best MoBo I could find... As time passed I went to refurbished 3U/4U chassis servers as workstations, having RAID storage and plenty gigs of ram for pennies is for me absolute no-brainer but I have a room where the beast can live and the noise that can awake a dead is not an issue :D
Make sure your bios is also up to date. (excluding beta bios). Looks like the nvidia cards received some optimisations in Davinci resolve which changed the scores. You will not be losing that much performance running the 7900xtx using PCIE 3. I wouldn't worry about it. Just make sure you used display driver uninstaller to completely remove the previous nvidia drivers and ensure that the amd drivers are kept up to date.
3 weeks ago i build me a MSI B650 tomahawk, 7800X3D, MSI 4070, 32GB kingston 6000mt, 2TB kingston m.2, be quiet FX500 , Noctua NH-D15 and MSI MAG 650 GOLD PSU, she runs like a beast :D so fast and smooth :D ohh yeah and of course i bought the windows key online for just $10 :)
Also looking at the pic of your board at @8:33 I can see the SATA ports that would turn off are not in use so you are all good with your 2nd drive no matter what you do
Another internal hard drive will appear in Windows Explorer just like a USB drive. Your C: drive will always be your boot drive and this is assigned to the drive that you're installing the OS to. Any additional drives will have a letter assigned to them and you can just drag and drop or copy files to them just like you would an external drive. There are settings in Resolve that allow you to use different drives for cache and project storage, etc. It seems like you could have left that PCIe card in without cutting into the bandwidth of your GPU. The CPU has 24 total lanes (3600 and 5950X are the same), so 16 for the GPU, 4 for the PCIe card for added USB and 4 for the NVMe hard drive. You can run system diagnostic software like GPU-Z, Hardware Monitor, etc. to check how many lanes your GPU is using. However, x16 is the maximum potential bandwidth of the lane, so running your GPU at x8 doesn't cut the performance in half, just the maximum potential performance. But I don't think that there are many applications that currently push GPUs beyond x8 bandwidth anyway. A higher-end motherboard would give you more PCIe lanes with an additional chipset so you have more freedom to add stuff without cutting into the bandwidth of various components. Everybody saying "just get a Mac" is ignoring the fact that Macs work exactly like this too, with a finite amount of bandwidth. Adding more drives will result in less bandwidth just like a PC. Not to mention that Macs rely on Thunderbolt 4/5 and using more common and inexpensive USB 3.2 external hard drive results in far less speed than you'll get with the same drive in a PC.
@@cameraconspiracies Conventional wisdom is to use the OS drive to install all your programs as well. For something like Resolve, you'd have it installed on the C: drive, then host your cache on a drive and your project files on a drive. I don't know that it makes a huge difference to use multiple drives. There are articles on this on Puget Systems which I'm sure are clear as mud
Last year I bought a laptop. Alienware M18 with the ryzen 7945HX 16 Core and AMD 7900M XT. Upgraded to 64GB RAM and 4TB Nvme. Edits cat footage no problem.
8:15 Those transfer speeds are USB 2.0 maxed out. USB 3.0 gen 1 should be able to get up to around 450MB/second. Either you have your reader/device plugged into a USB 2.0 port, or the device itself is only USB 2.0 capable (unlikely), or it doesn't like the USB 3.0 ports on your mother board and is dropping back to USB 2.0. IF it's a USB C device, then a good quality C to A cable should have been your first purchase.
Yeah my work learned about the whole lane sharing issue on cheap boards the hard way: alot of the prebuilts you can get online dont really advertise what motherboard you get. its one of the main benifits of going with the better chipset motherboards (in your case wouldve been x570, and on AM5, x670e/x870e) or if youre feeling super spendy/have no budget cap, Threadripper or Epyc lol
*I edit with a Ryzen 7 7700x with a 7900xt GPU with 32GB of DDR5 6000Mhz and I have no issues in editing my Videos which I shoot in an FX30 with a 15mm F 1.4 G Lens and I'm trying out 8K on the Insta360 Ace Pro but so far all is well*
Transfer speed looks good to me. The SSD is indeed in a "slow" slot, this means that the max speed will be around 1.5GB/s, but the SSD you have is not much faster to begin with (
You're starting to understand the difference between desktop motherboards vs server and workstation motherboards. These days, the CPU can handle all the bandwidth, but desktop motherboards are deliberately designed to share lanes, probably to reduce costs.
These are the questions to bring to AI. It's amazing how much AI can help match hardware based on size, compatibility, and functionality. It will give you amazing information regarding overall reviews and user experience as well. I just used it heavily to select cameras and lenses to try out. I also matched focal length and weight with various backpacks. Now I have 6 lenses and two cameras in one simple backpack allowing a focal length of 15mm all the way to 400mm with only one zoom (Canon RF 24-105 f4L). I hate AI, but love to use it to do my bidding.
Thank you very much for your PC struggle show. You helped me a lot and now I got a mini mac 4 - cheapest computer I ever bought. It runs my Davinci nicely and maybe I will learn to turn the mouse wheel in the other direction some day. So you saved me a lot of money, I have a small quiet thing on my table now so that my wife does not leave me. With the safed money I bought a video assist and now I have BRAW in my G9M2 with beautiful ACES extended BM-color, which grades by itself in this black magic. 5.7k 60fps DRboosted OMSys90-macro 2:1 (ant sized) 12bit 4:4:4 footage feeded in this wonder pipline and finaly (take a seat and smoke something) rendered in Tiff16 and helicon stacked to a great photo. That is the perfect video camera for a macro stills shooter. Thank you!
Go into settings and disable "natural direction" for mousewheel. Then install the free utility LinearMouse and set the scroll speed you want. I couldn't use macOS without it because they seem to expect you to be using a trackpad.
@@Thirsty_Fox Thanks for this possibility - but now that I have entered the universe of the fruit computer I feel like I should behave accordingly. I want to adopt. I will try. It even has 3.5mm for my headphone thus I will forgive everything!
You've just spent around £700 new on the 7900xtx, which is a PCIe 4.0 card, and put it into a PCIe 3.0 motherboard, so you've crippled your GPU card. By the time you finish spending money on crippling components on that motherboard you could have bought a totally silent Mac mini Pro. I was pleasantly surprised to discover all my photo and video editing programs work on my Mac mini with my existing licences so I didn't have to spend any more money on software.
I feel for you my friend. PC upgrades are always this way. Even when you spec out a new system and put it together, you always run into issues that need tweaking or troubleshooting. New hardware is usually backward compatible, but that doesn't mean that it will take advantage of faster speeds. Sell your C70 and buy a Mac.
you got the SATA thing around the wrong way, the lower slot shares PCIe lanes with the SATA ports, The main M2 should be in the top slot an using the direct PCIe from the CPU rather than using the lower slots Chipset PCIe links
That drive is a Crucial P1, it's an entry-level SSD. The airflow (allegedly) from his case fans will be more than enough. It's akin to laptop NVMe drives, for many years a lot of those didn't even have a heatspreader, especially entry-level machines -- but it's changing.
> but don't SSDs get hot? Yes and no. Yes, they can overheat due to the constant intensive usage and start to throttle. In practice, any non-synthetic operation will either *underload* the SSD, so it's a non-issue, or it will end long before it overheats. In real world, maybe it will bottleneck when you copy a huge, 200Gb+ backup from one NVME drive to another, which happens once a year, if that.
M4 Mac and your noise problems are over - needs to be said! You've said you don't want to deal with learning a new operating system but have you ever tried using a Mac on an extended basis? Why not just rent one for a month so that you can at least have hands on experience? Plus it would make for a great video series watching you. You can keep your PC for those couple of programs that are not available on the Mac if you really need to but I'm sure you could find a Mac OS replacement program if you look around and ask for advise.
He didn’t want to listen when he asked which he should buy in a past video. Many of us were trying to tell mans to be done with ANY of this madness by just going Mac.
Motherboards are honestly not very complicated once you get the general gist of it. Look up the block diagram in the manual of your motherboard (can do that online).
If you're happy with your performance now, don't lose you mind over the details lol. It sounds like your motherboard is definitely not the best (it's pretty shocking to be missing usb C on anything modern) but it's such a pain to upgrade that so I'd wait until you want to upgrade your CPU to something brand new and do them both at once. Instead of 'Getting a whole new PC' in the long term I would just do a MOBO+CPU+RAM upgrade eventually and keep the gpu, then a few years later upgrade the GPU and then keep that cycle going. That way you're spreading out the cost over a few years, considering GPUs are so expensive now they're like half the cost of a system. I'm a little confused about your Hard Drive/SSD situation - do you have a hard drive in addition to the SSD or just the SSD? If you JUST have the SSD then it should be no problem moving it to the faster slot. If you do have a hard drive, it'll be plugged into a SATA port (SATA is an older connecter that was used for all kinds of storage before the faster NVME SSDs came around) which is usually at the bottom right of the motherboard. If that's the case then you'll just need to reference your MOBO manual and see what slot is affected and if your Hard drive is plugged into that one. If so it should be easy enough to move it to another SATA slot. It's not a bad idea to get a second SSD and edit off of that exclusively. You're correct that whatever drive windows is installed on will be where your 'desktop' is. If you have a second one, it'll appear sort of like a USB drive would on the left in file explorer (or your hard drive if you do have one). You should be able to choose in DaVinci where projects get saved as well as where you load your files from - if you use a different ssd that what Windows is installed on, it'll probably give you a little bit more performance just because it won't be 'sharing' and write/read speed with whatever stuff windows might be doing in the background (it's always up to something)
Yes, I have a 2TB spinny drive plugged into a SATA cable. Most likely it will be disabled and I'll have to locate the other one wherever the hell that is lol.
Not to send you down another rabbit hole, but to also send you down another rabbit hole - another thing that contributes to noise is the case. I had a cheap ass old case but then upgraded it to a nice one (BeQuiet) and it made a huge difference. It's something to consider, but I think my old case was abnormally bad.
every system is built around a so-called platform and your specific one, if i remember correctly you have a Ryzen 2000 chip, is meant to only have 20 PCIe lanes total. if there is one thing that drives up cost in computer systems it's PCIe lanes so the entry-level platforms all have only around 20-28 lanes. those lanes are used not only for the PCIe slots but also for other I/O (input-output) devices like your SATA ports or your USB ports. that leaves enough lanes for only really one slot to be wired with 16 lanes. board maker can decide to fit the board with PCIe switches which then allow the board to dynamically allocate those 16 lanes to either the first slot or to split across two for an x8/x8 configuration depending on if you're using only the first slot or both the first and second one. without checking the manual, your cheap board probably doesn't have PCIe switches so that second PCIe slot won't steal any lanes from your first one. however, as you personally are looking for the GPU to have all 16 lanes, that might be a benefit. the second slot instead is wired through the chipset. running high bandwidth/low latency dependent devices on a PCIe slot wired through a chipset can introduce issues so it's not ideal, which is why it's generally prefered to steal lanes from the first slot to have real lanes for the second device. entry-level platforms are all about trade-offs. you should just see if that card works for you in the second slot. if you want more PCIe lanes, you need to look into HEDT platforms like Intel Xeon or Ryzen Threadripper. they're designed specifically for creators but they're very expensive. my suggestion is try to make a entry-level platform work for your needs.
the motherboard manual is dogshit (as usual with Gigabyte their stuff sucks big time), so I can't give reliable advice on what configuration is best, just try what that other commenter suggested: GPU in first x16 slot. M.2 drive in top slot (be sure to use heatsink as now it's right under the hot GPU). USB add-in card in second x16 slot. it obstructing the fan won't be making your GPU temps much worse. i recommend you also use your GPU's software (AMD Adrenaline) to set a limit to your GPU's max frequency, just lower it by 5% or so. it will decrease your temps a lot because nowadays all hardware comes cranked to the max but those last few % of performance demand a disproportionate amount of power. with my AMD card it decreased my power usage from around 250W to 150W and therefore also temps. it allows you to set your fans lower too. reliability might also improve.
the same is true for CPU. with extensive testing I was able to determine that with my cooler (NH-D15 G2) I can limit CPU temperature to 60 degrees in BIOS without performance loss. one thing few people know Ryzen CPUs have bad power scaling so you can very quickly go too low with the temperature limit and lose a lot of performance. Intel CPUs have great power scaling and are therefore way more flexible. with tuned CPU and GPU my system runs at the same low fan speed at all times no matter the workload and is therefore always silent.
"Is it true for all motherboards?" - no it isn't. PCIe lane sharing happens when the PCIe slot is connected to the same CPU PCIe lane. On motherboards you have the CPU which usually comes with a set of lanes, lets say 24. All PCIe slots could be connected to it, but manufacturers usually don't do that. They put a chipset on a motherboard to help offload processing(signalling) of those away from the CPU. I think in your case, the lower large(PCIEX4) PCIe slot shares lanes with the tiny PCIe on the bottom PCIEX 1_2. Your graphics card should not share the lanes with the PCIEX4(longer slot) below it. It remains full lanes. What I don't see documented is how the NVMe ssds are wired in, but I see the manual mention they take up chipset lanes, meaning they don't share lanes with the main PCIEX16(GPU), since that is connected to the CPU. FYI - if you ever want to have a motherboard ready for a lot of connected devices, all using lanes, look into E postfix motherboards, like X670E, X870E, etc. I have one and it comes with 2 chipsets, where I'm sort of guaranteed to not share the GPU bandwidth with other simple b1tch devices. Good luck
12:45 maybe it's because one was davinci resolve version 1.0.0 versus version 0.93.1 . . . . . JK... probably not. The 7900 xtx had a few issues at launch, there's a vapor chamber in the card which is supposed to contain water for purposes of cooling which was not properly filled for a lot of people. I had to send my card back closer to when it originally launched because it overheated. Anyways. 7900 xtx is probably not as good as a 4090 on any occasion but approximately so good as a 4090 such that the price point differential makes it worth it. The only downside is pytorch and cuda the two primary locally run A.i. tools do not work with AMD, only Nvidia.
Upgrade your motherboards when you upgrade your cpu. If you want upgraded feature sets that mitigate all these issues you’ve discussed. Still think you’ll end up wishing you went with intel but amd can get it done too, albeit a little hotter.
That's a tough call for a motherboard recommendation because its hard to recommend DDR4 if you're trying to make it to AM7. Mag b550 tomahawk seems like the best motherboard for this case. The new tomahawks are just as good as the new x870e godlike with lane management so those are a good bet.
Yes, it's normal that PCI-E lanes are shared. It's because CPUs only have som many of them. You'd have to buy a workstation to get rid of that problem, and yet, they also have a limit of PCI lanes. They just have more of them. Workstation CPUs are also much more expensive. You will have to check the manual of the motherboard, to see how the PCI lanes are shared. It could be the top x16 slot and the bottom x4 slot or completely different. I wouldn't worry, though. The old GPU had the one USB-C port, you are now missing, correct? Meaning the USB-C port on the GPU and the GPU itself already shared the PCI slot. So, just buy a x1 USB-C card, unless you lose bandwith (I can't say off the top of my head). If you do, just keep the current USB card, and plug it into the other x16 slot. A x4 card will fit in a x16 slot just fine.
@@cameraconspiracies When the second slot is populated, it becomes x8 / x8 speeds instead of x16 / nothing. The x1 slots should not affect the speeds of the bigger slots (because x1 isn't a lot to begin with). That's probably why the manual doesn't mention it.
@ That's what I figured. I heard the x1 slots can affect the second slot, but if it's empty it won't have any negative impact on the first slot. I got a new slower card for the top x1 slot and it's fast enough :)
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Dude, just get a M4 Mac, I switched to Apple Silicon and I have forgotten how hard was to be on a PC, it just works, Resolve runs way too fast 😂 it doesn't matter if it is a RAW 8K footage, try it out.
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@@RodrigoPolo I recommended this to him but he's too chicken to try a whole new and impossible to understand an OS that was literally designed for brain dead people. He also never tested or tried one for longer than 30 minutes to see if he can work with it.
@@RodrigoPolo If I didn''t game 30% of my cpu time, I'd get a mac for production work. I miss my old mac. I had the original flat panel all in one model(can't remember the name) and it lasted me for about 5 years without a single upgrade. Had to bump the Ram from 2gb to 4gb at that point, and then it ran for another 3. Mac really is the best for production.
If that is the correct picture of your motherboard just get an USB 3.0 to USB-C cable/adapter. Your motherboard literally has the USB 3.0 header on it.
OK regarding your board, Gigabyte b450 Aorus Elite
Anything over 2933 (2933/2667/2400/2133 MHz) is technically considered overclocking but thats fine. Running at 3200 is fine as long as you check you DRAM/VDimm voltage is applied using HWInfo64 or HWMonitor. Should be 1.35v but should say on sticks themselves. Your board supports DDR4 3600(O.C.)/3466(O.C.)/3200(O.C.) memory modules. DDR stands for Double Data Rate so yes 1600MHz is same as 3200MHz/ Mt/s in software like CPU-Z or the ones I mentioned above.
As for storage, pciexpress lanes etc. you should be getting a total of 24 lanes
(16 to GPU, 4 to m.2 NVMe and 4 to chipset)
You should move the M.2 ssd into the top x4 slot, right now it is running in x2 mode and
the 2nd large X16 slot is running at 2x
This will free up the x4 lanes for your USB add in card
Top x16 PCIE slot is,
1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x16 (PCIEX16)(Note)
* For optimum performance, if only one PCI Express graphics card is to be installed, be sure to install it in the PCIEX16 slot.
(The PCIEX16 slot conforms to PCI Express 3.0 standard.)
The bottom large slot is,
1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x4 (PCIEX4)
>>>>>>>>>> * The PCIEX4 slot shares bandwidth with the PCIEX1_2 slot. The PCIEX4 slot operates at up to x2 mode when the PCIEX1_2 slot is populated. The PCIEX4 slot operates at up to x4 mode when the PCIEX1_2 is empty.
The 2 small slots are,
2 x PCI Express x1 slots
(The PCIEX4 and PCIEX1 slots conform to PCI Express 2.0 standard.)
The M.2 SSD connectors are,
The top one
PCIe 3.0 x4, it is x2 if using
1 x M.2 connector (Socket 3, M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 SATA and PCIe 3.0 x4/x2 SSD support) (M2A_SOCKET)
The bottom one
PCIe 3.0 x2 (if in use SATA 6g ports can only use 0 and 1 (SATA3 0 SATA3 1) , not 2, 3
these are the 2 by the 24 pin motherboard power connector
"1 x M.2 connector (Socket 3, M key, type 2242/2260/2280 PCIe 3.0 x2 SSD support)(M2B_SOCKET)"
>>>>>>>>>> * The PCIEX4 slot shares bandwidth with the PCIEX1_2 slot. The PCIEX4 slot operates at up to x2 mode when the PCIEX1_2 slot is populated. The PCIEX4 slot operates at up to x4 mode when the PCIEX1_2 is empty.
6 x SATA 6Gb/s connectors
Only SATA3 0 SATA3 1 can be used if lower M.2 slot is in use
these are the 2 by the 24 pin motherboard power connector
the other 2 and the 2 ASATA (never used) ports are about 3-4" below
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This is a great write up and covers a lot of what I would have said. I'd just like to add to this, the motherboard comes with a USB-C header. You can get an adapter to use that and not use any PCI-E lanes.
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@@Honkinwaffle That's a good point, make sure Kasey sees that comment.
Blasphemy, how dare you even mention the darkness that cast us out of eden (Apple). Without pain and suffering, there is no joy. Without the grinding squeal of PC fans, there is no way to fully appreciate true silence. My Mac Studio makes me long for those days of wretchedness. How sweet it was to constantly suffer.
No idea who you are or how I came across you, but from this video onward, I am 100% on board for this CPU and Cooler journey 🤣
Great video.
And yes. It's in the slowest spot 🤣 should be in the top below CPU.
9:35 having the operating system on a separate drive and your files on another drive is actually a good idea for a couple of reasons. One reason is that the computer can access both in parallel, speeding up load time. Another reason is that the operating system drive remains free of clutter impeding its function, and yet another reason, if you have an operating system failure you can reinstall it and your files remain undamaged.
The good news is that this is probably one of the easiest modifications you can make.
I had to deal with this a weak ago, built a pc and tried to use my old ssd's... Since I don't remember what I had on those ssd and didn't want to lose any data, I endup buying a ssd just for windows. First configuration was to change the download folder's location, not making this mistake again.
This is only reasonable in the days when SSD's were 128GB maximum in size, because filling up the SSD above 80% slows its operating speed considerably.
The parallel operation only works with harddrives, with nVME storage, which is what Kasey has, its irrelevant, he already edits his files off other drives, his system drive probably rarely sees much load, and his video files wont stress the drive enough to warrant a parallel operation for multiple nVME.
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he should just get an Apple again. It just works and we can work without knowing how it works
Those card stat charts are for 2 different versions of DaVinci. Evidently tthey decided to code 1.0 to exploit the nvidia card.
While your PCIe lanes are shared between the various slots, the likelihood of you saturating them to the point of performance loss is virtually zero. It's not a limit of the motherboard as much as it is a limit of consumer CPU's (although different classes of MBs do offer alternate PCI slot layout). They share lanes because the CPU can only provide so much bandwidth and it'd be less practical to limit slots to dedicated lanes of their own that you'd never utilize to their full potential while limiting others and creating bottlenecks. Even your GPU (in a X16 slot) won't utilize all it's available bandwidth. It sounds like a limitation but in practical use, it's more of a feature. At least that's how I think it works. I don't know if your motherboard prevents you connecting anything larger than the slot itself but in some cases, a larger connector on the pcb will still work in the smaller slot, it just won't make use of the leftover contacts and will be slower (technically) as a result. Your ram is fine. AMD cpus need your ram to run at its highest rated speed. The reason you see 2 numbers that are both half the speed is because you use a 2 stick config so your ram runs in dual-channel mode (each stick half of the total rated speed) which is how it's supposed to work.
The two different RAM speeds is often due to the MHz rating vs the MT rate. Due to being double data rate, they're marketed at 3200 or whatnot, but that's megatransfers. This makes them 1600MHz. The marketing really was always pretty bad about highlighting this, making people think they had 3200MHz RAM. We're just now getting to where there's actual 3200MHz RAM, which is 6400MT.
pretty sure they are not even shared between the two x16 slots on this board
Heck yeah Noctua, solid choice. Job done don't have to think about it for another decade.
Love Noctua, but money-wise I've gotten such good value from Thermalright, I'm never going back... even if a fan breaks 3 years from now, those fans cost 4-5 bucks.. peanuts.
Agreed. Don't buy some cheap ass part you need to replace 5 times.
Noctua is extremely overpriced and not worth it. Plenty of better options for way less money, that will also give you future socket support
Hawk-tuah should have endorsed Noctua instead of the shill coin she went with!
Building a PC is a series of compromises. The higher the performance we seek, the more compromises we find ourselves making. PCIe lanes are always a limitation, and every motherboard model manages their allocation differently. For your use case, Instead of an add-in card, I would have suggested a simple USB A to C adapter. The 5900 will make a massive difference. Yes, you should use the top NVMe slot. Your motherboard manual will tell you which SATA ports will still be available.
Your RAM is fine at 3200Mts. And your GPU is also fine.
There's a reason why Apple users don't have to deal with this -- their machines are mostly incapable of being upgraded.
>I would have suggested a simple USB A to C adapter
This.
you could use usb to usbc adapter
One thing for sure, you will be a little bit smarter with PCs. I got a Mac so I did not have to worry or concern myself with PC upgrades.
Your cpu provides you with the PCI lanes. Not sure which one you are using, but it should be over 20.
Your GPU in the top long slot will give it 16 lanes. Which is more than enough for your use.
The motherboard allocates 4 to the top m.2 hard drive slot and there are typically 4 being used by the motherboard to be allocated for the USB and other devices on the board.
If you use one of the small x1 slots for a PCI USBC daughter card, it will probably get 4 lanes associated with it and it won't be taking anything away from your video card. The slot the other card was on should have been fine, but the fact that it was choking the fan on your GPU, would have made me get something different.
For more information, look into the B450 pcie allocation. The B470 has more bells and whistles, but it may not be what you need.
Both his current cpu, and his impending replacement cpu, have pcie 4.0 x 20
He is saying he is getting a 5900X at 6:44, that has 24 pcie lanes. But I think you are incorrect about that is 'should be over 30', I think there is hardly any consumer CPU that has more than 24 lanes. On my own simple system with 24 pice lanes from a 5700g, 4 are taken by motherboard for 'various' including nvme, 4 by sata, and 16 by the GPU, so just with that simple setup all lanes are filled up. But I think in reality it does not matter that things are shared. I notice also that Kasey provides no proof that his system became slower, he just assumes it (although blocking the fan seems bad, so for that reason it is good to switch to another slot).
Pretty sure his issue is the chipset (B450), I know my X570 Dark Hero has from cpu alone
2 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8)
2 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8)
1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x8 mode)
and from the chipset, AMD X570 chipset
1 x PCIe 4.0 x16
1 x PCIe 4.0 x1
Here's what I for for the cpu lanes
1 x M.2_1 socket 3, with M Key, Type 2242/2260/2280 (PCIE 4.0 x4 and SATA modes) storage devices support
1 x M.2_1 socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (SATA & PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)
@@Gti_Jason According to the manual, his mother board has 1x PCIe 3.0 x16 for the GPU and it doesn't share lanes. It also has 1x PCIe 2.0 x4 and 2x PCIe 2.0 x1. The PCIe x4 and the lowest PCIe x1 share lanes so if the lowest PCIe x1 is populated, the PCIe x4 runs at x2.
Either way, plugging in any other PCIe cards should not affect the bandwidth of the GPU.
Gentle reminder that the M4 Mini Pro could have been plugged in, turned on a month ago and saved you all of these headaches and you would have had several USB-C ports (that are also TB5 and expanded into many, many ports if you wanted)
The M4 Max Studio is the computer you need. If you want to be stubborn and stay on PC, sell the 7900XTX before the new AMD cards are announced and get a 5070Ti, upgrade to an X570 or similar board with more ports.
exactly lol
Thanks for reading the manual. Still confusing.
🤣🤣🤣🤣Loved it. You need to start a PC tech channel.
13 seconds in, and oh boy this is good one... the humor is great, the PC isn't?
Waiting for you to use both systems,, 1 to work on... 1 to repair maintain overclock repair again , have it stable and oh boy (again) it's fast
Keep it going brother
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1. Graphics card should always go in fastest slot, the first x16 2. your m2 drive should be at the top spot 3. You already have usb 3.1 (blue usb ports) support just get a usb c to usb a cable (if you want gen 2 speeds, install on the second x16 slot 4. It is safe to set it to run those speeds even if the motherboard says it is OCing.
A bunch of 5090 reviews are dropping and its a monster for 10 bit editing the price is monster too
That's why you buy a 4000 series with a no questions asked extended warranty, then you run it on full settings with Cyberpunk until it heat sinks itself to death. Then you bring it back and they give you a similar 5000 series card due to the 4000 series no longer being available.
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put the ssd in the other x4...
Will I have to do anything special or will it just act as normal when I reboot?
@@cameraconspiracies give it a proper slap before putting it in there, so it knows it needs to perform better now
@@cameraconspiracies normal on reboot
@@cameraconspiracies Dude, your PICE4.0 bus has a total of 64GB/s across all lanes, that is more than any or the total of all your peripherals will ever use, so this is a non-issue to start with. And no, just keep your NVME SSD where it is:)
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Non related hobo RUclipsr question: when it comes to editing/improving your audio and image quality how to keep from going completely insane?
For AMD, definitely move the NVME drive to the top slot. You have a heatsink there for a reason. Right now you don't have any heatsink on it. That slot that you use also shares the PCIX lines with the video card. Just get that B550 or X570 motherboard with USB-C onboard and be done with (either new or used). Make sure it has ALC1220 audio.
Haha. Nice! I'm sure that you've got it all figured out by now. I appreciate the entertainment😁
Canon C70, obviously ...
OK regarding your T-shirt colour magic, you definitely did that just because you now can. You also definitely could be a PC Conspiracies channel now!
It's all about how happy you are with the end performance. I have a 3090ti rendering and instead of buying a 4090 or 5000 series I'm going for 2 3090 ti's.
Multiple internal drives work the same as using an external one. It's pretty seamless. Davinci on one drive can load in files or save them to the other drive. You don't have to do anything special to use it. It's just a second space to put things (like a second compartment in a drawer, rather than another drawer).
Kasey, don't return the card. While it's true that adding a card like this is splitting the PCI lanes, in terms of performance you will hardly feel it. I have the same situation in here
As for the heat and blocking fans - you use each card in different tasks at different times: while you import using the USB C port, your GPU does nothing, and while your GPU renders, your USB C card does nothing and the air blocking is actually quite minimal.
Long story short: don't buy anything new. It will work perfectly ok
Someone else pointed out that the motherboard should have a USB-C header. All he needs is an adapter that plugs into it and goes in one of the rear slots of the case, and he's good to go.
I've had fans sometimes make extremely loud sounds for seemingly no reason, tapped the fan a few times and it would magically fix the fan so it wasn't scraping on plastic or whatever and the sound went away.
Noctua gives you free mounting kits for new sockets forever so you’re probably set for AM7 with that cooler.
Sounds like you are past the beginner level in pc building and discussing enthusiast topics
I didn't skimp on the motherboard back then was my best investment.
Bought a B550 Tomahawk mobo in 2021, It has everything I need, PCIe4.0 support, 3x USB 3.2 ports (USB-C included) robust vrm cooling, oc potential, and I got it at a great price back then from used market.
He has USB-C header on his motherboard he just doesn't have the case to take advantage of it.
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It's much simpler than you think.
1)Wrong decission with the cooler.
Your arctic 36 was just fine, worst case scenario a fan was faulty, best case it just needed to be reattached/attached again.
2)The new pci-e card will be the same speed as your onboard usb 3.0, just get a compatible adapter usb-c το usb a.
3)Even a plug adapter is sharing "bandwidth"(sorta).Your fan will not work slower when you attach a second device but it will not run 3 space heaters at the same time(it depends on the wattage)
4)Puget systems did change it's benchmark proccess (from 0.93 to 1.0), testing more features like fusion/denoise/tracking/etc, that is why the scores changed.
-Happy to help you further on your pc journey if you want-
The Arctic 36 was loud, I don't have time to be diagnosing problems like that.
I needed more ports anyways, I'm happy with the new card.
Don't forget rebar
Yeah, any significant upgrades generally is a moment to replace your motherboard with the newest tech from the current motherboard usually, it’s pretty significant SSD speed on the new motherboard can be crazy. I think it’s like 10,000 and the memory are. The SSDs are not expensive who wouldn’t wanna have your hard drive working super extremely fast. I would start by looking at what are the advantages of the new motherboards from iteration to iteration it’s usually so significant that it does not make sense to keep an old one, even if it can be upgraded I recently looked into this and definitely was going to upgrade my motherboard, but I decided to keep my old PC just because it can be upgraded doesn’t mean it should be
My view from the edge of the very same rabbithole is:
1) I've chosen to get a miniPC with a full thunderbolt lane to host a separate vid card, when I actually need it.
2) Work out my actual realtime compute needs. How fast how big how much in files, time, and compute do I need for what I actually do.
3) Once I work out my workflow, my compute needs, then rebuild the desktop to Only address those.
4) Leave the future proofing for only accommodating peripherals, like when bluetooth or wifi get a huge boost.
5) Fully populate the RAM when I get up to speed.
So, I figure that until we get holographic cameras with their huge files and compute needs, I ought to be good to go! And well below the current highend specs that are more for gaming, I don't. I just need photo, vid, CAD, music, some drawing. Easy-peasy. Most likely by the time I build the desktop, most of those components will be well down on the list of Hot New Items, the latest and greatest. Many even used! Oh, also room for a local LLM/AI of some sort.
Now? Now I'm learning how to customize the whole windows environment to be what I want. Different desktops for different needs-uses, a sandboxed virtual one too, for when safety is a concern. Along with style mods from fonts to colors, widgets and themes. Also slicing in NAS for backups and remote access to files. I do like sitting in some cafe sipping as I go over that day's photo haul, lifted off my cameras onto my tablet/laptop to do some initial scrub, knowing it will be ready to work on at home, all with copies safely tucked into their comfy spots.
All I want is the perfect workflow!
Never CPU’s & chipsets still sometimes share lanes but typically it’s not as bad as the older stuff. You have to look at each motherboards online manual online and dig through them to find out how the lanes are used in that MB. Every one is a little different.
Me editing on my silent 2011 imac as this man squeals about problems he created because he totally ignored our humble advice.
he should just get an Apple again. It just works and we can work without knowing how it works
@ let's talk him into making a comparison video and watch him trash Mac for 6 months while slowly converting spiritually like he did with canon😂😂
Apple fans are many things, but humble is not one of them.
@ the wonderful thing about my comments is I’m no fan, nor brand loyalist. Just a human who switched to Apple and had a lot more fun creating content since. I actually hate the brand so much I’m waiting to have more fun on a fellow editor’s pc
@ You hate the brand? You want to use a PC? That doesn't really fit with the other things you've said.
1) All general-use motherboards and cpus have a limited number of lanes they can use, it's not JUST your motherboard. You can have more lanes, but that costs A LOT (see EPYC or Threadripper CPUs and motherboards). So motherboard makers have to make choices (more usb ports? more SATA ports? More m.2 slots, etc.)
2) Don't worry, you didn't damage your GPU in any way by using that usb card. GPU can run on any number of PCI-E lanes, theoretically you can even file of plastic part on the back of top 1x PCI-E slot, insert the GPU there and it should work. If you use less than 16x lanes (say, it's downgraded to 8 lanes because of a USB card), it may affect the performance of the GPU; in some cases it's negligible, in some - measurable or even crippling. I'd guess, in your case (PCI-E 3.0 16 lanes to 8 lanes because of USB card and 7900XTX GPU for video editing) it would have been negligible to measurable.
3) The PC builder could have installed your NVMe drive in the lower m.2 slot to 1) Make it accessible without removing the GPU 2) Didn't know better 3) Improve ssd's cooling by being in an open air, not blocked by GPU (but 4x slot has a radiator, so who knows). Using only 2x lanes instead of 4x can slow down your SSD linear read/write speeds in half, but in my experience it is still enough in regular use (2x slot at PCI-E 3.0 will give you 1500MB/s). Random reads are much more important and they not affectd by 2x vs 4x. If you put you SSD in the top slot you may indeed loose some of the SATA ports (sorry, I can't check the motherboard's manual right now)
4) You may need to update your BIOS before installing 5900X, because when B450 was released, there was no 5900x CPU.
5) Your RAM is 99% safe if you used XMP to make it 3200MT/s. You would have probably already noticed random crashes, and even then you can just downclock it back to 2400-2933MT/s
Either buy quality top end , quit playing with saving money your time is worth more. Newegg computer as a builder where it gives out compatible products with your motherboard
Peerless assasin is definitely fine, but the fans included are not the best. It's better to switch them for artic p12 or even p12max, less noise.
I started heading into this type of mess 2yrs ago when I was considering adding a desktop PC to replace an aging laptop. I ended up maxing out a new Legion 7i (12th gen Intel i9 processor, 64GB RAM, RTX 3080Ti) and it has handled everything I've thrown at it, including multiple concurrent 8k files from Canon. I rarely see the CPU or GPU usage go above 50% during normal editing. The only downside is the 16x10 ratio screen still feels strange for editing, which could easily be fixed with an external monitor. Overall, I maybe I didn't get the best value, but everything just works. Life is too short to deal with building/upgrading PC components unless you genuinely enjoy the process.
"Nerd Paths that Lead You to Hell". - That sums up PC tinkering perfectly.
It’s not the motherboard it’s the pcie controller on the CPU. All mainstream platform CPUs have this limitation. Generally a x1 pcie card will fit in a slot that runs through the chipset.
Put the m.2 SSD ( with Windows OS) in the top slot.
XMP, RAM with 3200hz or Above is the right choice for AM4.
Latest BIOS update (non beta) for MB is must(correct name of there website ).
Be carreful, with BIOS update.
If the pciex usb card ,has a problem, use the external USB doc station or monitor USB.
Windows , and programs on 1 SSD m.2 nvme.
Video files for edit , cache files another m.2 nvme.
Export to another SSD, nvme, or SATA SSD for better workflow).
HDD, only for storage.
I love how the comments are just filled with tech support justifying our need to erase this dynamic from human existence
Seems you're having a lot of fun learning about computer limitations We're truly entertained!
"If at first you fail your deed, try again til you succeed "
Love ya so much,
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lol.. I feel your pain.. been building PCs for 30+ years.. I moved BACK to Apple last year because of all this mental gymnastic drama. I still use PCs for gaming but MAC for work.. Buy a Mac Studio and be done with it. As for PCI lanes.. yeah.. you need to find out how many you have and how they are allocated. And get off that B450, as it will really help to upgrade your MB. AM4 is fine. Just going to something that can drive PCI Gen 4 will be good enough. I have a 5950x, 64gb ram, 2tb+4tb, RTX 4070. More than enough for what I do on PC. That's all mounted in an NZXT H1 (gen II).
Cheers
Rick..
lol.. you are funny.. I'm surprised you still have hair left.. :)
i went through really similar sht , bought 5800x, new psu 850w and new gpu 7900xt, oh then i thought i need new nvme ssd 2tb and a new monitor 1440p 32´´ 180hz LG
Yes, that's exactly how it goes. 😊😊
Ive had a lizard surving in my pc for 2 months photosynthisizing off rgb lights.
I can’t wait for the Noctua install video! That thing is is fuckin huge. I was cussing in languages that don’t even exist trying to get that thing to fit. I finally got it but I was like damn, should have just got a water cooler
Yeah, I'd have to join those that say get a new motherboard.
Then you're building a whole new PC.
@@cameraconspiracies If staying with the AM4 cpu series then just upgrade to a B550, you can put everything you already have in it and benefit from a cooler running system, its no big deal and not 'building a whole new pc' which you keep saying. Hell you don't even need to re install windows just install the same drive you have and make Windows 11 'active' again...it's not difficult, honestly, I have just done something similar. Hate to add ( well not really ) but a Mac mini would suit you perfectly, they make no sound at all....silence is bliss.
@@pl2514 Agreed! You can even get a used motherboard for cheap. You don't need new RAM or CPU, just a different motherboard.
I do happen to have a new in box ASUS ROG Crosshair Dark Hero, aka the most high end board of the high end X570 AM4 chipset. On board usb C and all the other goodies
@@Gti_Jason I had ROG board before, with best CPU that can fit, only because friend of mine wanted always top tier setup, and then sell it 4 months later for the half the price only to get newer top tier setup....Numbers and charts are just numbers and charts, but there is something about added value of premium capacitors and mosfets and goodies that you will not find in those cheap-ass boards. 10/10 would buy a best MoBo I could find...
As time passed I went to refurbished 3U/4U chassis servers as workstations, having RAID storage and plenty gigs of ram for pennies is for me absolute no-brainer but I have a room where the beast can live and the noise that can awake a dead is not an issue :D
Make sure your bios is also up to date. (excluding beta bios). Looks like the nvidia cards received some optimisations in Davinci resolve which changed the scores. You will not be losing that much performance running the 7900xtx using PCIE 3. I wouldn't worry about it. Just make sure you used display driver uninstaller to completely remove the previous nvidia drivers and ensure that the amd drivers are kept up to date.
As soon as you consider motherboard upgrade, its over. You're going new computer.
Canadian silent assassin, walking up to the abyss, bringing all the tiny parts...
I told you to get a easy bake oven .
3 weeks ago i build me a MSI B650 tomahawk, 7800X3D, MSI 4070, 32GB kingston 6000mt, 2TB kingston m.2, be quiet FX500 , Noctua NH-D15 and MSI MAG 650 GOLD PSU, she runs like a beast :D so fast and smooth :D ohh yeah and of course i bought the windows key online for just $10 :)
Also looking at the pic of your board at @8:33 I can see the SATA ports that would turn off are not in use so you are all good with your 2nd drive no matter what you do
Good eye :)
Another internal hard drive will appear in Windows Explorer just like a USB drive. Your C: drive will always be your boot drive and this is assigned to the drive that you're installing the OS to. Any additional drives will have a letter assigned to them and you can just drag and drop or copy files to them just like you would an external drive. There are settings in Resolve that allow you to use different drives for cache and project storage, etc.
It seems like you could have left that PCIe card in without cutting into the bandwidth of your GPU. The CPU has 24 total lanes (3600 and 5950X are the same), so 16 for the GPU, 4 for the PCIe card for added USB and 4 for the NVMe hard drive. You can run system diagnostic software like GPU-Z, Hardware Monitor, etc. to check how many lanes your GPU is using. However, x16 is the maximum potential bandwidth of the lane, so running your GPU at x8 doesn't cut the performance in half, just the maximum potential performance. But I don't think that there are many applications that currently push GPUs beyond x8 bandwidth anyway.
A higher-end motherboard would give you more PCIe lanes with an additional chipset so you have more freedom to add stuff without cutting into the bandwidth of various components.
Everybody saying "just get a Mac" is ignoring the fact that Macs work exactly like this too, with a finite amount of bandwidth. Adding more drives will result in less bandwidth just like a PC. Not to mention that Macs rely on Thunderbolt 4/5 and using more common and inexpensive USB 3.2 external hard drive results in far less speed than you'll get with the same drive in a PC.
Would it be better to install Davinci on other programs on that second SSD? Just keep windows on the first one or would that not work?
@@cameraconspiracies Conventional wisdom is to use the OS drive to install all your programs as well. For something like Resolve, you'd have it installed on the C: drive, then host your cache on a drive and your project files on a drive. I don't know that it makes a huge difference to use multiple drives. There are articles on this on Puget Systems which I'm sure are clear as mud
@@PhillipRPeck Thanks :)
Last year I bought a laptop. Alienware M18 with the ryzen 7945HX 16 Core and AMD 7900M XT. Upgraded to 64GB RAM and 4TB Nvme.
Edits cat footage no problem.
8:15 Those transfer speeds are USB 2.0 maxed out. USB 3.0 gen 1 should be able to get up to around 450MB/second.
Either you have your reader/device plugged into a USB 2.0 port, or the device itself is only USB 2.0 capable (unlikely), or it doesn't like the USB 3.0 ports on your mother board and is dropping back to USB 2.0.
IF it's a USB C device, then a good quality C to A cable should have been your first purchase.
Put the external reader on your router? Then it is available through the network. I don't know, just riffing here.
Your mistake was not getting the video card with usbc and then not sending it back for the correct one.
Time for a motherboard and AMD Threadripper upgrade with 128GB memory. 😀
Yeah my work learned about the whole lane sharing issue on cheap boards the hard way: alot of the prebuilts you can get online dont really advertise what motherboard you get. its one of the main benifits of going with the better chipset motherboards (in your case wouldve been x570, and on AM5, x670e/x870e) or if youre feeling super spendy/have no budget cap, Threadripper or Epyc lol
*I edit with a Ryzen 7 7700x with a 7900xt GPU with 32GB of DDR5 6000Mhz and I have no issues in editing my Videos which I shoot in an FX30 with a 15mm F 1.4 G Lens and I'm trying out 8K on the Insta360 Ace Pro but so far all is well*
I recently bought a 7800xt AMD and it rocks! Render times are fast!
when i use an m.2 in my motherboard it only let's me use the sata 1 slot so i wouldn't be surprised if it's the same on yours.
I love my 7900XTX keep it brother. If anything AM5 upgrade would help the most with a 7900X CPU and 32gb DDR5 6000mhz
Transfer speed looks good to me. The SSD is indeed in a "slow" slot, this means that the max speed will be around 1.5GB/s, but the SSD you have is not much faster to begin with (
It seems davinci resolve v1.0 is better optimised for NVidia cards than the older version is probably the reason for the different charts.
B450 are budget boards so sometimes when ur using more nvmes, it might shut down some. X570 i used, i can use whatever pcie slot i want any time
You're starting to understand the difference between desktop motherboards vs server and workstation motherboards. These days, the CPU can handle all the bandwidth, but desktop motherboards are deliberately designed to share lanes, probably to reduce costs.
These are the questions to bring to AI. It's amazing how much AI can help match hardware based on size, compatibility, and functionality. It will give you amazing information regarding overall reviews and user experience as well. I just used it heavily to select cameras and lenses to try out. I also matched focal length and weight with various backpacks. Now I have 6 lenses and two cameras in one simple backpack allowing a focal length of 15mm all the way to 400mm with only one zoom (Canon RF 24-105 f4L). I hate AI, but love to use it to do my bidding.
Thank you very much for your PC struggle show. You helped me a lot and now I got a mini mac 4 - cheapest computer I ever bought. It runs my Davinci nicely and maybe I will learn to turn the mouse wheel in the other direction some day. So you saved me a lot of money, I have a small quiet thing on my table now so that my wife does not leave me. With the safed money I bought a video assist and now I have BRAW in my G9M2 with beautiful ACES extended BM-color, which grades by itself in this black magic. 5.7k 60fps DRboosted OMSys90-macro 2:1 (ant sized) 12bit 4:4:4 footage feeded in this wonder pipline and finaly (take a seat and smoke something) rendered in Tiff16 and helicon stacked to a great photo. That is the perfect video camera for a macro stills shooter. Thank you!
Go into settings and disable "natural direction" for mousewheel. Then install the free utility LinearMouse and set the scroll speed you want. I couldn't use macOS without it because they seem to expect you to be using a trackpad.
@@Thirsty_Fox Thanks for this possibility - but now that I have entered the universe of the fruit computer I feel like I should behave accordingly. I want to adopt. I will try. It even has 3.5mm for my headphone thus I will forgive everything!
You've just spent around £700 new on the 7900xtx, which is a PCIe 4.0 card, and put it into a PCIe 3.0 motherboard, so you've crippled your GPU card. By the time you finish spending money on crippling components on that motherboard you could have bought a totally silent Mac mini Pro.
I was pleasantly surprised to discover all my photo and video editing programs work on my Mac mini with my existing licences so I didn't have to spend any more money on software.
The second part of what you said is true. The first is not. PCIE 3 vs 4 makes a negligible difference to the performance of the 7900xtx.
The video card comparisons are using two different release versions of da Vinci resolve.
I feel for you my friend. PC upgrades are always this way. Even when you spec out a new system and put it together, you always run into issues that need tweaking or troubleshooting. New hardware is usually backward compatible, but that doesn't mean that it will take advantage of faster speeds. Sell your C70 and buy a Mac.
you got the SATA thing around the wrong way, the lower slot shares PCIe lanes with the SATA ports, The main M2 should be in the top slot an using the direct PCIe from the CPU rather than using the lower slots Chipset PCIe links
8:33 Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but don't SSDs get hot? You should consider a heatsink for it, so you SSD's lifespan last longer.
That drive is a Crucial P1, it's an entry-level SSD. The airflow (allegedly) from his case fans will be more than enough. It's akin to laptop NVMe drives, for many years a lot of those didn't even have a heatspreader, especially entry-level machines -- but it's changing.
@@technologyanimals Aah, got it. Thanks for clarifying.
> but don't SSDs get hot?
Yes and no.
Yes, they can overheat due to the constant intensive usage and start to throttle.
In practice, any non-synthetic operation will either *underload* the SSD, so it's a non-issue, or it will end long before it overheats.
In real world, maybe it will bottleneck when you copy a huge, 200Gb+ backup from one NVME drive to another, which happens once a year, if that.
M4 Mac and your noise problems are over - needs to be said! You've said you don't want to deal with learning a new operating system but have you ever tried using a Mac on an extended basis? Why not just rent one for a month so that you can at least have hands on experience? Plus it would make for a great video series watching you. You can keep your PC for those couple of programs that are not available on the Mac if you really need to but I'm sure you could find a Mac OS replacement program if you look around and ask for advise.
He didn’t want to listen when he asked which he should buy in a past video. Many of us were trying to tell mans to be done with ANY of this madness by just going Mac.
Motherboards are honestly not very complicated once you get the general gist of it.
Look up the block diagram in the manual of your motherboard (can do that online).
If you're happy with your performance now, don't lose you mind over the details lol. It sounds like your motherboard is definitely not the best (it's pretty shocking to be missing usb C on anything modern) but it's such a pain to upgrade that so I'd wait until you want to upgrade your CPU to something brand new and do them both at once. Instead of 'Getting a whole new PC' in the long term I would just do a MOBO+CPU+RAM upgrade eventually and keep the gpu, then a few years later upgrade the GPU and then keep that cycle going. That way you're spreading out the cost over a few years, considering GPUs are so expensive now they're like half the cost of a system.
I'm a little confused about your Hard Drive/SSD situation - do you have a hard drive in addition to the SSD or just the SSD? If you JUST have the SSD then it should be no problem moving it to the faster slot. If you do have a hard drive, it'll be plugged into a SATA port (SATA is an older connecter that was used for all kinds of storage before the faster NVME SSDs came around) which is usually at the bottom right of the motherboard. If that's the case then you'll just need to reference your MOBO manual and see what slot is affected and if your Hard drive is plugged into that one. If so it should be easy enough to move it to another SATA slot.
It's not a bad idea to get a second SSD and edit off of that exclusively. You're correct that whatever drive windows is installed on will be where your 'desktop' is. If you have a second one, it'll appear sort of like a USB drive would on the left in file explorer (or your hard drive if you do have one). You should be able to choose in DaVinci where projects get saved as well as where you load your files from - if you use a different ssd that what Windows is installed on, it'll probably give you a little bit more performance just because it won't be 'sharing' and write/read speed with whatever stuff windows might be doing in the background (it's always up to something)
Yes, I have a 2TB spinny drive plugged into a SATA cable. Most likely it will be disabled and I'll have to locate the other one wherever the hell that is lol.
@cameraconspiracies they should all be right beside each other, SATA ports are generally all in the same place haha
Not to send you down another rabbit hole, but to also send you down another rabbit hole - another thing that contributes to noise is the case. I had a cheap ass old case but then upgraded it to a nice one (BeQuiet) and it made a huge difference. It's something to consider, but I think my old case was abnormally bad.
Also the davinci benchmarks are using different versions of Davinci Resolve
Those aren't Davinci versions, only the 1 chart specified which Davinci version it was. I don't know what those other numbers meant.
Noctua NHD15-S is off-set and notched to clear RAM.
every system is built around a so-called platform and your specific one, if i remember correctly you have a Ryzen 2000 chip, is meant to only have 20 PCIe lanes total. if there is one thing that drives up cost in computer systems it's PCIe lanes so the entry-level platforms all have only around 20-28 lanes. those lanes are used not only for the PCIe slots but also for other I/O (input-output) devices like your SATA ports or your USB ports. that leaves enough lanes for only really one slot to be wired with 16 lanes. board maker can decide to fit the board with PCIe switches which then allow the board to dynamically allocate those 16 lanes to either the first slot or to split across two for an x8/x8 configuration depending on if you're using only the first slot or both the first and second one. without checking the manual, your cheap board probably doesn't have PCIe switches so that second PCIe slot won't steal any lanes from your first one. however, as you personally are looking for the GPU to have all 16 lanes, that might be a benefit. the second slot instead is wired through the chipset. running high bandwidth/low latency dependent devices on a PCIe slot wired through a chipset can introduce issues so it's not ideal, which is why it's generally prefered to steal lanes from the first slot to have real lanes for the second device. entry-level platforms are all about trade-offs. you should just see if that card works for you in the second slot. if you want more PCIe lanes, you need to look into HEDT platforms like Intel Xeon or Ryzen Threadripper. they're designed specifically for creators but they're very expensive. my suggestion is try to make a entry-level platform work for your needs.
the motherboard manual is dogshit (as usual with Gigabyte their stuff sucks big time), so I can't give reliable advice on what configuration is best, just try what that other commenter suggested: GPU in first x16 slot. M.2 drive in top slot (be sure to use heatsink as now it's right under the hot GPU). USB add-in card in second x16 slot. it obstructing the fan won't be making your GPU temps much worse. i recommend you also use your GPU's software (AMD Adrenaline) to set a limit to your GPU's max frequency, just lower it by 5% or so. it will decrease your temps a lot because nowadays all hardware comes cranked to the max but those last few % of performance demand a disproportionate amount of power. with my AMD card it decreased my power usage from around 250W to 150W and therefore also temps. it allows you to set your fans lower too. reliability might also improve.
the same is true for CPU. with extensive testing I was able to determine that with my cooler (NH-D15 G2) I can limit CPU temperature to 60 degrees in BIOS without performance loss. one thing few people know Ryzen CPUs have bad power scaling so you can very quickly go too low with the temperature limit and lose a lot of performance. Intel CPUs have great power scaling and are therefore way more flexible. with tuned CPU and GPU my system runs at the same low fan speed at all times no matter the workload and is therefore always silent.
"Is it true for all motherboards?" - no it isn't. PCIe lane sharing happens when the PCIe slot is connected to the same CPU PCIe lane. On motherboards you have the CPU which usually comes with a set of lanes, lets say 24. All PCIe slots could be connected to it, but manufacturers usually don't do that. They put a chipset on a motherboard to help offload processing(signalling) of those away from the CPU. I think in your case, the lower large(PCIEX4) PCIe slot shares lanes with the tiny PCIe on the bottom PCIEX 1_2. Your graphics card should not share the lanes with the PCIEX4(longer slot) below it. It remains full lanes. What I don't see documented is how the NVMe ssds are wired in, but I see the manual mention they take up chipset lanes, meaning they don't share lanes with the main PCIEX16(GPU), since that is connected to the CPU.
FYI - if you ever want to have a motherboard ready for a lot of connected devices, all using lanes, look into E postfix motherboards, like X670E, X870E, etc. I have one and it comes with 2 chipsets, where I'm sort of guaranteed to not share the GPU bandwidth with other simple b1tch devices. Good luck
12:45 maybe it's because one was davinci resolve version 1.0.0 versus version 0.93.1 . . . . . JK... probably not.
The 7900 xtx had a few issues at launch, there's a vapor chamber in the card which is supposed to contain water for purposes of cooling which was not properly filled for a lot of people. I had to send my card back closer to when it originally launched because it overheated.
Anyways. 7900 xtx is probably not as good as a 4090 on any occasion but approximately so good as a 4090 such that the price point differential makes it worth it. The only downside is pytorch and cuda the two primary locally run A.i. tools do not work with AMD, only Nvidia.
Upgrade your motherboards when you upgrade your cpu. If you want upgraded feature sets that mitigate all these issues you’ve discussed. Still think you’ll end up wishing you went with intel but amd can get it done too, albeit a little hotter.
We need a Harware Conspiracies or Harware Police channel !
a lot of monitors have usb ports, I found that super useful on my Benq PD2700u
That's a tough call for a motherboard recommendation because its hard to recommend DDR4 if you're trying to make it to AM7. Mag b550 tomahawk seems like the best motherboard for this case. The new tomahawks are just as good as the new x870e godlike with lane management so those are a good bet.
I can see the desire for upgrades growing in your soul. Hahhaha. Never-ending story!
Yes, it's normal that PCI-E lanes are shared. It's because CPUs only have som many of them. You'd have to buy a workstation to get rid of that problem, and yet, they also have a limit of PCI lanes. They just have more of them.
Workstation CPUs are also much more expensive.
You will have to check the manual of the motherboard, to see how the PCI lanes are shared. It could be the top x16 slot and the bottom x4 slot or completely different.
I wouldn't worry, though. The old GPU had the one USB-C port, you are now missing, correct? Meaning the USB-C port on the GPU and the GPU itself already shared the PCI slot. So, just buy a x1 USB-C card, unless you lose bandwith (I can't say off the top of my head). If you do, just keep the current USB card, and plug it into the other x16 slot. A x4 card will fit in a x16 slot just fine.
I did read the manual, the 2nd slot takes up half the first slot, but it didn't specify what the X1 slots do.
@@cameraconspiracies When the second slot is populated, it becomes x8 / x8 speeds instead of x16 / nothing. The x1 slots should not affect the speeds of the bigger slots (because x1 isn't a lot to begin with). That's probably why the manual doesn't mention it.
@ That's what I figured. I heard the x1 slots can affect the second slot, but if it's empty it won't have any negative impact on the first slot. I got a new slower card for the top x1 slot and it's fast enough :)